Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
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Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
And by "Best" in this case, let us say "Most Human"
Which ones could most easily pass for human? Not just physically, but emotionally?
Who in sci-fi has skipped over the whole "Pinocchio" trope and has androids with full on emotions indistinguishable from Humans?
Which ones could most easily pass for human? Not just physically, but emotionally?
Who in sci-fi has skipped over the whole "Pinocchio" trope and has androids with full on emotions indistinguishable from Humans?
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Re: Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
Rommie in Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda is pretty indistinguishable from a human, and largely acts very human-like. Certainly seems to have emotions. She even falls in love with the Avatar of another space-ship. And let's not mention the obvious crush she has on her Captain.
I get the feeling I know of other good examples, but I honestly can't really think of them right now. I guess it depends on if you'd count humanoid Cylons as androids. I wouldn't, because they're almost completely indistinguishable from humans, and at the point when it's literally made of flesh and blood I don't think you can call it an android anymore unless it has a cybernetic endoskeleton.
I get the feeling I know of other good examples, but I honestly can't really think of them right now. I guess it depends on if you'd count humanoid Cylons as androids. I wouldn't, because they're almost completely indistinguishable from humans, and at the point when it's literally made of flesh and blood I don't think you can call it an android anymore unless it has a cybernetic endoskeleton.
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Re: Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
Blade Runner Replicants. More Human than Humans.
Guri from Star Wars, they needed a sophisticated, and most thorough, medical scanner to tell the difference.
Clearly not Data, but there was an episode where he meets his 'mother' Dr. Soong's wife, who turned out to be an android doppleganger with no idea she was an android. Skin and eyes were fine, unlike Data. In fact, he only put it together because he noticed they were using the same algorithm to simulate "random" blinking.
Guri from Star Wars, they needed a sophisticated, and most thorough, medical scanner to tell the difference.
Clearly not Data, but there was an episode where he meets his 'mother' Dr. Soong's wife, who turned out to be an android doppleganger with no idea she was an android. Skin and eyes were fine, unlike Data. In fact, he only put it together because he noticed they were using the same algorithm to simulate "random" blinking.
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The alternate SG-1 from Stargate, they didn't know they were androids and even passed a medial exam.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Alien franchise. In the first, second, and fourth movies, nobody knew Ash, Bishop, or Wynona Ryder's character were droids until they got shot / stabbed / head smacked off / ripped apart. In Alien 3, one of the prisoners thought the guy who created the Bishop model android was an actual droid himself.
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Robin Williams' character in Bicentennial Man. He kept improving himself to the point that he was practically human, able to age and all.
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I never liked that movie. A non-human person committing suicide in order to be declared a human did not sit well with me.Enigma wrote:Robin Williams' character in Bicentennial Man. He kept improving himself to the point that he was practically human, able to age and all.
I would not consider the "best" android one that emulates humanity's flaws, but one that is a paragon of humanity. Something more like a humanoid Bolo in personality, and less like Ash, David, the cylons, human-form replicators, etc.
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Some classics: Ghost in the Shell, Foundation/Robots/Empire by Asimov, Terminators are pretty human-like when they want, although it's more like good imitation, Bolos of later marks would also count with appropriate body.
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Re: Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
I recall the plot of an old sci-fi story (but am blanking on the title) where a cop is hunting down an android that is an imitation of him containing a super bomb triggered to detonate when a code phrase is spoken. When he finally confronts the android and shoots him, he's shocked to see not wires and sparks, but blood and flesh in the wound. "But if he's human, then I'm -"Crossroads Inc. wrote:And by "Best" in this case, let us say "Most Human"
Which ones could most easily pass for human? Not just physically, but emotionally?
Who in sci-fi has skipped over the whole "Pinocchio" trope and has androids with full on emotions indistinguishable from Humans?
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"Impostor" By Phillip K. Dick. Also a nice SF movie with Gary Sinise in the lead.Lord of the Abyss wrote:I recall the plot of an old sci-fi story (but am blanking on the title) where a cop is hunting down an android that is an imitation of him containing a super bomb triggered to detonate when a code phrase is spoken. When he finally confronts the android and shoots him, he's shocked to see not wires and sparks, but blood and flesh in the wound. "But if he's human, then I'm -"Crossroads Inc. wrote:And by "Best" in this case, let us say "Most Human"
Which ones could most easily pass for human? Not just physically, but emotionally?
Who in sci-fi has skipped over the whole "Pinocchio" trope and has androids with full on emotions indistinguishable from Humans?
The explosion was visible from Alpha Centauri.
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Thanks, that bit of amnesia was beginning to bug me.Atlan wrote: "Impostor" By Phillip K. Dick. Also a nice SF movie with Gary Sinise in the lead.
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But the OP states "Most Human". Not best parts of humanity but to be most human. That is what Williams' character did.Grumman wrote:I never liked that movie. A non-human person committing suicide in order to be declared a human did not sit well with me.Enigma wrote:Robin Williams' character in Bicentennial Man. He kept improving himself to the point that he was practically human, able to age and all.
I would not consider the "best" android one that emulates humanity's flaws, but one that is a paragon of humanity. Something more like a humanoid Bolo in personality, and less like Ash, David, the cylons, human-form replicators, etc.
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Definitely Andromeda.
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Re: Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
Yeah, I'll go with Andromeda. Or possibly Futurama.
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Cylon Skinjobs. With the exception of a few random plot devices, they are completely indistiguishable from regular humans, to the point of being able to (ocassionally) interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Except for some cultural issues, they are also emotionally pretty much the same.
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Re: Who do oyu think has the best Androids in Sci-Fi?
They aren't androids due to not having an artificial component. They are pretty much akin to superhuman clones.
Also, androids in the Andromedaverse also regularly produce offspring.
Also, androids in the Andromedaverse also regularly produce offspring.
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Thanas wrote:Also, androids in the Andromedaverse also regularly produce offspring.
Wait, wait whaaaaa? O_o When did this happen on the show? It's been a while since I've seen the show so I might have forgotten but I honestly don't remember this ever happening.
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It's in the backup lore.
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fundation and Ripoffs including: Armitage and Andromeda
Asimov made them very, very good in foundation, and series who got their ideas for androids from Foundation tend to be very realistic. Also of note SHIELD/HYDRA from marvel universe, can pass a full medical scan and detonate the water in their bodies as an explosive. And I'm entirely convinved that Peter Henry Gyrich's incredible stupidity, and frequently retconned personality shifts are all the result of there being an unknown number of PHG decoys running amok in the marvel universe playing "Men In Black" the real Gyrich was killed three decades ago, when the sentinals went crazy.
Asimov made them very, very good in foundation, and series who got their ideas for androids from Foundation tend to be very realistic. Also of note SHIELD/HYDRA from marvel universe, can pass a full medical scan and detonate the water in their bodies as an explosive. And I'm entirely convinved that Peter Henry Gyrich's incredible stupidity, and frequently retconned personality shifts are all the result of there being an unknown number of PHG decoys running amok in the marvel universe playing "Men In Black" the real Gyrich was killed three decades ago, when the sentinals went crazy.
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Though Andromeda-Androids had that funny tendency to occasionally make mechanic/hydraulic noises for no apparent reasons. I found that quite off-putting.
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Only in the later seasons where quality control was nonexistent and the writers were rehashing stuff, I believe.Dahak wrote:Though Andromeda-Androids had that funny tendency to occasionally make mechanic/hydraulic noises for no apparent reasons. I found that quite off-putting.
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Would the Cylons from nBSG count?
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I don't think they do as they don't have any metal or plastic in them.Gandalf wrote:Would the Cylons from nBSG count?
If a key determination of android status is its being artificial, they should count and do well.
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