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Ultramarines novels analaysis/discussion thread

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This is yet another in the trend of 'Chapter specific' series threads, covering one of the longer running series as well as a few spinoff novels by other authors like Assault on Black Reach. The Ultramarines.

Despite the Ward-inspired uproar generated by 5th edition and such, the Ultramarines perhaps remain one of the more symbolic Chapters for 40K (although that may have changed with 6th, given its Dark-Angels centric emphasis.) and I suspect Graham McNeill had a big part in that pre-5th. Spanning multiple 'editions' of codexes and rules, the series has evolved in an interesting way over time, yet has also remained consistent in certain other ways. The internal details may change, but certain things remain true (Uriel Ventris is the Noble Defender of humanity, the Ultramarines persevere, Honsou is an ass, etc. Yes, Honsou shows up, I did mention that didn't I?)

McNeill does a fantastic job writing the series and its easy to understand why its popular and why some people may have been drawn to the Ultramarines. Nightbringer and Killing Ground are, in my opinion, the best in the series because they're the rare Space Marine novels that require them to face an enemy they cannot simply blast or chop into submission, and Ventris - as a character - has to deal with difficult choices. Indeed, if these novels (or even if Warriors of Ultramar) were the standard for the series, I could easily rate this above my love of the Ragnar Blackmane Space Wolf novels. This series, however, currently falls into what I consider a certain trend. First you get the 'great' novel - something involving some nebulous, intangible or overwhelming threat that the Space Marines simply cannot beat physically. It involves Ventris and his Company facing something beyond their Codex training (drawing upon the 'teaching' Idaeus gave Uriel in 'Chains of Command') and its generally just interesting, well written, and deeper than you usually get in a Space Marine novel (especially Killing Ground.) Then you have what I consider the 'War' themeed novel. Warriors of Ultramar and Courage and honour. The Company gets deployed to defend a planet against an insidious alien threat. Lots of fighting, the Guard will be involved, and the enemy gets defeated in the end. Not bad, but not as good as the previous novel IMHO. Then we get.. the Honsou novel. I don't know why, but whenever McNeill involves Honsou in something, the quality just seems to drop for me. He's just not a good villain. He comes across as unstable, petulant, childish and just unbelievably cartoonishly supervillain.

It isn't even that Graham can't write Iron Warriors either, though I started out believing this - he started out great with Storm of Iron, and Angel Exterminatus was good too. He just. Can't. Write. Honsou. And so the last novels of a given triad (Dead Sky, Black Sun, and the Chapter's Due.) simpyl fail to live up to their predecessors cuz of Honsou. DSBS is arguably worse than TCD to be fair, and TCD was better than I had feared but it was still... Honsou, and pretty underwhelming for the purported buildup (Nocturne-scale underwhelming, to be blunt.) I'm hoping that the future novels might break this trend, but even if not it will be interesting to see if this will persist (although I'm hoping we avoid Honsou for the near future, despite the fact he has escaped.. yet again. IF there is one thing he is competent at, it is escapign his failures. Or blaming them on others.)

Anyhow, whilst the bulk of the thread will be McNeill's novels, it will cover a few others, like Assault on Black REach (by Nick Kyme, who wrote the aformentioned 'Nocturne.') I also consider Kyme's Sicarius books to be quite good and interesting, but in a different way. Kyme writes Sicarius as being an outwardly GREAT heroic type, but the underlying politics and byplay within the company, and the way the individuals regrd him or evolve themselves within those stories - both in Asasult on Black Reach and its spiritual sequel Fall of Damnos (which I already covered) are interesting in much the same way the Salamanders novels are interesting. Black REach isn't a big novel, so it will be (currently) his only entry for the smurfs. Whether anyone else will get added remains to be seen.

That said, we start with Assault on Black Reach. Thankfully a single update.


Page 8
His close-cropped head reflected the winking operation runes inside the drop pod. The glowing symbols cast light onto the hard metal edges of the vessel interior into which the Space Marines were packed. They also displayed that the drop pod's inertial dampening system was in effect and that their rapid trajectory was being guided by its machine-spirit with unerring precision. Thunder echoed dully from below. Scipio could hear it over the roar of the drop prod's engines as they vented. The low crump of detonating plasma warheads exploding planet-side was a concussive throb to the raucously disgorging thrusters. They were right on the heels of the raining plasma storm, screaming from the sky in a world of deafening noise and flashing fire.
Drop pod assualt on the heels of orbital bombardment. Oh that Sicarius!

Oh yes, note the pod's mention of inertial dampening (although how it works isn't clear) and machine spirit guidance, even despite the bombardment. We got drop pods like these in the Cain novels as well.


page 10
As one, his warriors took up the recital and the lone voice of Scipio became a bellow of brothers. They fell fast with all the power of a comet, the prow of their drop pod white-hot and trailing fire as it burst through Black Reach's atmospheric barrier
Likens the drop pod to a comet. Whether this is valid or invalid and how much this comes out to I ain't going to bother commenting on, since it would cause an uproar either way :P


Page 10
As the plasma missiles continued to fall like thermonuclear rain, their titanic impacts vibrating through the drop pod's hull as it started to split, Scipio thought for a moment that they might have to run the gauntlet of the bombardment too. He hoped that Iulus wasn't right and that Sicarius's plan wasn't indeed reckless...
I'm not sure if tey're implying plasma warheads, or nuclear warheads, or implying plasma warheads are somehow related to nukes (when most of the time plasma weaponry is more akin ot a flamethrower than a nuke) but it could go either way. Or maybe even imply both being used!


Page 13
Like many organisations within the Imperium, the Ultramarines Chapter, despite being a strongly-forged brotherhood, had its factions. It functioned not unlike a republic, with Calgar as its president. In times gone by, Macragge had its battle kings, warrior-monarchs who led and governed its peoples; now it had democracy and solidarity, a republic in many respects with the sergeants within its companies as its senators. At least this was how Scipio interpreted it.
This is one of the aspects of this novella I like - the Ultramarines, like the Space Wolves, have their own internal factions and infighting, despite being super-genetically engineered killing machines.



Page 18
"The planet of Black Reach, principle world of the Black Reach sector," Daceus announced. "A mining world, Black Reach has little obvious value to Ultramar yet it is tactically crucial," he explained.
Black Reach is defined (in some ways) as a mining world.


Page 19
A roiling mass of warp space, a rift in the layer of reality, was revealed circulating at the fringe of the sector. To Scipio it looked like a baleful eye, ragged and torn, seething with incandescent energy. Despite its pseudo-incorporeal form, it was visible even through the grainy resolution of the holo-capture.

"Jorgund's Eye," Daceus named it. "Through this wyrmhole a massive horde of greenskins has descended on Black Reach. It is unknown to us how such a thing was possible, how the ork could have caught us by surprise.
...

Should their assault prove successful, the aliens will have gained a foothold in such close proximity to Ultramar as to make the Chapter Master nervous. Furthermore, the asteroid belt surrounding the system contains high concentrations of magnetic ore, making long-range augur probes all-but impossible."
ha hah "Wymrhole" - a sort of warp tunnel or webway thingy I assume. Note that high concentrations of magnetic ore (although how high we aren't sure) make long range scans all but impossible. Which is a bit silly, since space is 3 dimensional and they should be able to get above or below the field, unless for some reason its perfectly spherical.

This also suggests Black REach and its sector is relatively close to Ultramar.



Page 20
"We will go in swift and hard, via drop pod assault. Prior to our insertion, the Valin's Revenge will bombard the planet from orbit, launching plasma torpedoes into the greenskin forces. We will come in the wake of the ordnance, like hellhounds on the heels of its fiery wrath."
...

"Launching such an attack directly behind a planetary bombardment - the risks are incredible," said Iulus, unable to keep his discontent in check any longer.
Sicarius lays out his little aforementioned "bombard and drop" strategy, mentioning the use of plasma torpedoes. One of Sicarius' detractors makes the obvious objection.


Page 21
"Black Reach has its own Imperial Guard garrison, the Sable Gunners. They are well stretched across the four continents of the world, marshalling its hive cities and the numerous aqueducts that feed its reservoirs. Strategium indicates that the beleaguered defenders have been fighting the orks for two months, local time."
Black Reach has an IG Garrison, and has hive cities.


Page 23
The doors slammed open seconds later as the vessel opened like a gunmetal bloom, venting steam, its hull still smouldering. The ochre sands of Black Reach had been scorched to glass with the intense heat radiation of the drop pod's arrival. It crunched underfoot as Scipio and his nine Astartes came out, bolters singing.

The drop pod's deathwind missile launcher armaments jolted with explosive recoil, a percussive chorus to the steady throb of bolter fire. A kill-zone of slain orks was forged around the landing site in seconds from the punitive barrage.

It bought a few moments' grace for Scipio to see the cauldron of battle.
Drop pod arrival, combined with the drop pod impact and the deathwind pod, they have a clear field in seconds in the midst of the battle.


Page 23
Ahead of them, some five hundred metres or more, the north wall of Ghospora Hive loomed like a black bulkhead cliff. It was some eight kilometres across and stretched eighty kilometres high into Black Reach's pollutant-laden upper atmosphere. Gunports, bunkers and battle-towers bristling with cannon and long-range sensor arrays hugged the extremities of the hive city like space debris clinging to the hull of a dead star-ship. Smoke billowed from the wrecked defences and fires raged unchecked along partially destroyed sections of the outer bastion wall. It was here at the forefront of the greenskin assault where the Imperial Guard Sable Gunners were making their last stand. Scipio's enhanced vision, cycling through its various filters to ascertain the optimum visual spectrum, and augmented by the technology within his battle helm, detected the heat signatures from several heavy weapon emplacements.
One of Black Reach's hives 8 km across and 10x higher, meaning its one of the more fucking huge (and improbably durable) hives we've seen. I'm pretty sure this reqiures some osrt of super mateiral to stretch that far up into the atmosphere, especially considering the damage the base must have inflicted on it.

Also Sicarius' helm allows him to observe the events from 500 metres or more away, as well as to pick up the thermal signatures of heavy weapons usage.



Page 24
The native soldiery of Black Reach were dug in around bunkers and entrenchments crested with razor wire. Even from a distance, Scipio could tell it was a thin line. Officers barked orders down the length of the fracturing wall, charred banners rose and fell. Men died in their droves.

A veritable sea of greenskins surrounded them, stretching for kilometres across and back in a dark mass. The thrashing ocean of aliens lapped at the meagre bulwarks of Ghospora Hive, threatening to overwhelm them. Ramshackle battle tanks and crudely-fashioned trucks festooned with cannon, rockets and other ordnance bounded madly alongside thronging mobs of green-skinned orks, decked in thick battle armour hammered with additional metal plates and daubed in crude glyphs.
I'm not sure if they refer to the Black REach PDF or the Sable Gunners as the 'native soldiery".

We also get a good glimpse of the Ork forces, including what looks like a much more unsuual application of artillery than I remember seeing in an novel.


Page 25
Scipio's bolt pistol jolted in his armoured grasp, exploding apart an onrushing ork's skull. The beast ran on headless for a few more seconds in a macabre display of tenacity before it slumped and fell.
Bolt pistol blows apart Ork head. This is several times more impressive than a human head, since Orks are many times more massive than a human, and generally are all around physically tougher (tougher hide, thicker bone, etc.)


PAge 26
Through the carnage, solid shot pranging off his pauldrons and greaves as the orks sought to retaliate against the Astartes' fire superiority, Scipio saw the mob leader.
Ork fire ricochets off Scipio's armor.


Page 27
More greenskins flanked it, some pitched from their feet or staggered by bolter fire as the rest of the Thunderbolts tried to slay them from a distance.
Botler rounds knocking orks off their feet by an unknown means (momentum/recoil, or just reflexive pain or whatever.)


Page 27
As they closed, Scipio held his bolt pistol's trigger down. The muzzle-flare lit up the ork's snarling face as a tracery of rounds ripped up its shoulder.

The beast was barely slowed. It shrugged off the wound and smacked Scipio's pistol aside before he could fire again
Implies automatic fire on his bolt pistol, which isnt unusual. Scipio has to have a large magazine though or the pistol has a slow automatic fire. This particular ork, however, isn't bothered by the bolter fire.


Page 28
In his armour, Scipio stood almost two and a half metres tall, yet he was still dwarfed by the huge greenskin. Superhuman muscles flexing with every shred of strength he could muster, Scipio pushed back. The servos in his power armour whined with effort.
Ork vs Space Marine.


Page 28
Still it fought, and was about to swing its cleaver again when Scipio brought up his bolt pistol, rammed the muzzle in the greenskin's screaming maw and pulled the trigger. The ork's brain pan punched out of the back of its head, amidst a shower of gore and skull fragments, and at last it was dead.
Blowing apart (partly) the skull of a bigger, nastier Ork.


Page 34
Adamantium plate reinforced with fire-retardant ceramite bulked out an immense servo-driven frame, which was over five metres tall. The dreadnought's brutal weapon mounts and ancillary combat systems could be tailored to a particular engagement prior to battlefield deployment.
Dreadnought offense and defense system.


Page 35
Scipio charged an ork to the ground with his shoulder before dispatching it with his chainsword. His blade still whirring in its cranium, he blasted apart the torso of another with his bolt pistol.
Blowing apart an Ork torso with bolt pistol fire, although we arent' told if it is one or several shots. It oculd mean that it is severed by a line of shots.


Page 35
The greenskin was biting a grenade between its teeth in some kind of kamikaze attack. As it fell, the grenade exploded taking three of the ork's kin with it. Scipio felt the heat radiation wash against his helmet. Temperature readings spiked for an instant then fell to normal again. He and his squad strode on through the dying firestorm, finding fresh enemy to engage as they killed in the name of the Chapter.
Ork grenade takes out 3 other grenades, and Scipio's suit can register the increase in temperature. Rather odd that the grenades explode with so much heat like that.


Page 38
Promethium expelled from a flamer at close range was incredibly hot, hot enough to turn the ork razor wire into molten slag.
Whether or not RL flamethrowres can do this? I dunno.


Page 40
The ork dreadnought, a five-metre-high monstrosity, was festooned with weapons: a high-calibre cannon was bolted to its hip, a generous ammo feed trailing to the ground from its auto-loader; two long, hydraulic arms ended in a snapping power claw and a rotator-saw respectively. A green targeting eye whirred and clicked along the dreadnought's thin vision-slit, through which Scipio detected the belligerent presence of a greenskin hard-wired into the machine itself.
Ork Dreadnought, including having autoloaders and targeting devices (or ratether the Ork analogues of such)


Page 40
The rounds tore up the earth next to Scipio's feet, but failed to find a target. A missile streaked overhead in retaliation and blew off the dreadnought's cannon as well as most of its left side. Scipio saw the greenskin pilot through the cracked metal armour of its cockpit. It juddered and shook, the wires poking out of its plated skull sparking and on fire as the neural link to its dying machine was severed.
Space Marine missile blows off side of an Ork Dreadnought.



Page 40
Two of Scipio's battle-brothers went down in a fusillade of high-calibre bullets. The sergeant himself took a shot in the pauldron and felt it bite.
..

Hekor doused the ork fighting machine with promethium from his flamer. The thing caught alight briefly before the fire died and it smashed the Ultramarine aside with its massive arm. Hekor lay prone on the ground, a wide crack in his ceramite plastron oozing blood.
This time Ork gunfire penetrates Space Marine armor. Whther it matters whether it is a glancing hit or a direct hit, or if Scipio just has better armor, I don't know.



Page 41
Scipio saw one melted down by Iulus's squad, another blown apart in his peripheral vision with krak grenades by Praxor's Shield Bearers.
Iulus's squad is noted as having a melta gun earlier, so that's probably what did the melting. Bolters as a rule are not normally thermal weapons, although thermal/incendiary type ammo may exist.

It could also have been meltabombs, but usually you only get assault marines carrying those, not tactical marines. And they're more focused detonations. I dont remember if this was a Dreandought or not, but probably, but we dont know how long it took (seconds maybe?)


Page 41
The battle-brother fell, a barrage of high-calibre shells tearing up his power armour and laying him flat. Brother Brakkius went to haul him out of harm's way but was picked off by a flame-thrower attachment on the dreadnought's main cannon. Tossed around one-eighty degrees, he collapsed into a smouldering heap.
Yet again Ork fire of some kind blows through Astartes power armor, but is apparently not fatal. It's possible that this time they're facing Dreadnought fire, and that is why they are suffering worse.


Page 42
The battle din, the sights and smells of the bloodied field washed over Scipio in a wave as he was stripped of his broken helmet and its sophisticated filtration systems. The sensory disorientation was only momentary; his superhuman Astartes physiology compensated at once.
Sergeant, minus helmet.


Page 43
Reliquaries were mounted on Agnathio's broad machine shoulders, containing the bones of other noble warriors secured in micro-stasis fields.
"Micro stasis fields" showing the papproximate miniaturization of such tech.


Page 44
Mercifully, they were still at full strength. Garrik and Brakkius had recovered; Largo and Onus, chewed up by the dreadnought's cannon, were also battle-ready, albeit with punctured power armour. Only Hekor staggered, the jagged chest wound having clotted thanks to the Larraman cells in his blood. The organ that generated them was a crucial part of a Space Marine's genetically-enhanced physiology. Without it, Hekor would be dead.
None of the Spacce Marines (or at least, Scipio's) died in the assault.



Page 45
The fighting was harder this close to the hive defences. The orks here were a different breed: bigger, with heavier armour; some encased in entirely mechanical suits replete with power claws and mounted heavy weapons. Their skin was darker, almost black, thick and ornery like flak armour. This was Zanzag's mob, his inner circle, his clan.
Bigger, tougher Orks (prboably nobz and meganobz judging by the equipment.) Also mention that the tougher Orks get skin like "flak armour" which suggests they are VASTLY more durable naturally than a regualr human. This tends to put alot of lasgun (and other weapon) calcs involving Orks into an interesting light, doesn't it?


Page 45
The dense crump of the garrison's artillery was deafening and sent violent tremors rippling through the earth with every discharge. Scipio's Lyman's Ear filtered out the noise, regulated it to tolerable levels, and maintained his balance with every resulting shell quake.
Lyman's ear can tune out and moderate artilley noise.


Page 46
Scipio fought one of the scar-faced ork veterans. The beast was huge, clad in thick plate, its muscled arms augmented by a crude array of pneumatic pistons to enhance its strength. A plume of flame spilled out of the ork's arm attachment, which was fended off by Scipio's vambrace before he got close and hacked it off with his chainsword. It waded in with a snapping power claw that the Ultramarine barely dodged. Bolt pistol rounds exploded against its torso, but the smoking armour showed only dents and chipped paint. A second veteran loomed alongside it, and Scipio suddenly felt outmatched.

A fierce storm of promethium sent it reeling as Brother Hekor came up in support. But the greenskin endured, wading through the intense conflagradon before letting rip with some kind of custom cannon mounted on one arm. Fat shells spat from the muzzle like metal rain, and Hekor was torn apart.
Ork vs Scipio. These tougher (nobz?) are much more resistant to Marine weapons, while their own weapons can eaisly blow apart a Space Marine with sustained fire.



Page 46
The Ultramarine's power armour was wrecked; it hadn't even slowed the bullets.
Ork cannon carried by the big power-armoured Orks can tear through Space Marine armour effortlessly.


Page 47
The custom weapons fashioned by some inexplicable freak of greenskin science were proving effective, and taking a toll. Power armour, it seemed, was no proof against them. In the last few minutes alone, Scipio had seen three battle-brothers fall to the ork veterans wielding them.
The Orks can customize weapons especially effective against Space MArine armour, and this surprises Scipio. Waaagh effect at work, possibly.


Page 51
The veteran sergeant of his Lions reacted instinctively and threw his bolter to the captain who caught it smoothly and fired one-handed. He roared as the muzzle-flash lit his face; Scipio thought he had never seen a visage so terrifying.

The explosive rounds rippled through the air, arresting Zanzag's frothing tirade as his maw and most of his trunk-like neck were hit. Scipio saw blood spurt, and thick chips of tusk fly, but the beast did not fall. Instead, he retreated, allowing the remnants of his bodyguard to protect him. The other greenskins pressed, too, bullied into becoming flesh-shields for their warlord's escape.
The Ork Leader is even more frighteningly resilient to bolter fire, although he must have taken some injury if he retreated.


Page 56
Ghospora Hive was a vast edifice of sprawling industry. Much of that industry was now in ruins, but still the fact and the echo of it remained. Towers surged into the darkness of myriad levels above. Walkways and gantries criss-crossed each other like some infernal metallic lattice.

Habitation blocks and worker tenements clustered together in ranks like bedraggled parade troopers huddling against the rough elements.

Immense hexagonal stacks from the mineral-mining complexes bored into the sublevels vented smoke and gas in thick plumes. Cranes arched over open-topped ore silos like broken fingers. Immense gears, looping cables and lengths of track - constituent parts of the gargantuan mining engine that enabled Black Reach to function, export, trade and to live - pervaded over all. So vast, its population once numbering billions, the hive city was now reduced to a broken remnant of what it had once been. The area immediately beyond the wall had been heavily industrialised and comprised several shattered factorum buildings - boxy structures with a plain, austere appearance.
Black Reach's hive city - population of billions and having lots of industry as well as mining, although having lost much of it to damage.


Page 57
Brownish stains ran down the wall in one of the comers from a ruptured water pipe that had been bandaged by an old bullet-ridden flak jacket. It was a poor fix, and the sodden piece of Imperial Guard-issue equipment dripped languidly into a murky pool below.
Use of a flak jacket to seal up a water pipe as an impromptu fix. does this imply perhaps Flak armor has good internal sealing (possibly indicative of NBC qualities, which we know IG can have) and is waterproof?


Page 57
"'I am Corporal Vormast, commander of the 81st, 23rd and 15th Sable Gunner regiments. Welcome to Ghospora Operational Headquarters."
There are at least 3 Regiments in this Hive, although how many on planet or across the Hive we dont know.


Page 60
Vormast bowed curtly at the Space Marine captain's command, seemingly unable to speak for the moment, and shuffled around the edge of the command table to a small panel fused to one side. After pressing a sequence of icons, an expanse of plated glass flickered to life on the table's surface, backlit by sodium bulbs.

Scipio saw Praxor sneer at the crude technology. Iulus, too, appeared unimpressed, likely wondering how Ghospora hadn't already fallen before the Emperor's Angels had arrived on streams of fire from the sky. As the image behind the platen glass resolved, a map of Ghospora Hive and the surrounding area appeared - Sable, the northern continent.

The view was top-down, the landscape expressed in gradients, contour lines and hues of mineral density. Principally it was a mining chart coopted for use as a campaign map. Three hive cities stood out, marked Lylith, Sulphora and, of course, Ghospora itself.
Lylith is destroyed. The other two remain. At least 3 hives on the planet, meaning at least 6-9 billion population if the hives are similar. This may just be for one continent though.

Also we get a map table that the Ultramsurfs regard as "crude" technology by military standards. Considering its menitioned to be a mining chart adapted for military use, this is unsurprising, but it suggests that the MArines normally expect better from Guardsmen if not PDF forces.


PAge 60
Ghospora's nearest neighbour was Sulphora Hive to the south, a few hundred kilometres distant. The wasteland that lay between them was riddled with artificial valleys, dredging gullies and mountainous sandbanks, all interwoven by a web of black tributaries - Black Reach's polluted, carbon-rich rivers. Many crossed and weaved like livid veins; others sprawled and stretched in thick, dark belts.
..

An expanse of water to the northeast, several thousand kilometres from Ghospora, and fringing the northern continent, was marked the Sable Sea.
More of Black REach's geography. Implication of sveral hundred km between the hives. The planet, like most hive worlds, seems to be becoming polluted, although how polluted we dont know - certainly not to the scale of Necromunda, in any case.


Page 62
The greenskins took Cobalt, Kohl and Stygia with almost no warning' the corporal explained, surveying the map with a dull gaze. He scrolled the northern continent east, using a dial - Scipio noticed the human's hand shaking; doubtless from shellshock or some other nervous condition he'd developed over the course of Ghospora's defence - and the other neighbouring continents were revealed on a previously hidden area of the map. Each had three hive cities. All, barring those on Sable, had been sacked by the orks.


"Two months, nine hives," said Iulus, partly to himself, partly to his battle-brothers. "The orks must have struck quickly and precisely. It's not a tactic they're known for."
9 more hives, for a total of 12. That means a minimum population of 24 billion, and more probably more, if each is similar to Ghospora. If they are equally all defended this means 24 Guard regiments in the Garrison as well - tens if not hundred of thousands of troops.


Page 64
"We engaged the greenskin scar-veterans," he said, his stentorian voice echoing loudly. His sheer presence and enormous size made the humans balk. "Our armour proved impervious. The crux terminatus left us unscathed."
Whatever the Ork tech advantage that helped them breach regular Marine armour, terminator armour still resisted.


Page 65
"'Your scouts' reports match our own intelligence. The few long-range antenna feeds that remain operational monitored the greenskin horde retreating to here,' - the corporal pointed to the wasteland between Ghospora and its other intact neighbour, Sulphora - 'where the orks have constructed a series of fortresses from the salvage taken from the sacked hives."
long range antennae feeds from the scouts, implied range of many tens if not hundreds of km.


PAge 66
Together with his enhanced Astartes eyesight and the magnification offered by the device, Iulus could see many kilometres with crystal clarity.
Visual range of combined Astartes eyesight and magnification.


Page 71
Behind him, Iulus could see the first of the Space Marine support guns grinding into position at empty cannon emplacements on thick, armoured tracks. Unlike most other Astartes artillery, the Thunderfire cannon was designed with static defence in mind. The broad, quadbarrelled guns were pintle-mounted and capable of unleashing a devastating barrage of surface, air or subterranean-adaptive shells. Within the packed ranks of the greenskins they would reap bloody havoc.
Thundefire cannon shown and described.


Page 72
The Thunderhawk gunship was a singular vessel. Three powerful motors fuelled by an onboard fusion reactor provided speed and manoeuvrability that would rival most conventional Imperial fighters, and without the need to compromise firepower. This, the gunship had in abundance. Four remote turrets of twin-linked heavy bolters patrolled the front fuselage and wings, slaved to the Space Marine gunner's control panel on the flight deck. A twin-linked lascannon protruded from the prow like a lance to tackle heavy armour. Finally, an immense dorsal-mounted turbo-laser on a fixed turret provided serious destructive potential, backed up by a payload of six Hellstrike missiles.
Thunderhawk described. Note the indication that its speed and agility is comaprable to Imperial fighters.


Page 75
"Three greenskin forts in ruins," Sicarius said to the assemblage of officers standing around the portable hololith map. A hazy rendition of the surrounding area in three-dimensional form issued from the spherical projector spiked into the ground. All of Sicarius's sergeants that had joined the battle group were present.
Portable hololith map. Remember this is suppposed to be lost technology.


PAge 79
Each Thunderfire cannon, meticulously deployed according to Captain Sicarius's precise instructions, rocked back on its tracks with a relentiess, pounding rhythm, the quad barrels spitting out surface detonation shells with unerring regularity.

..

"We could switch to airbursts and drive them from the trees but it would be a waste of munitions, and at extreme range... needlessly punitive."
Thunderfire cannons in operation. mention of airbursting capability.


Page 80
"Perhaps it is because the High Suzerain values your experience in keeping what he has already won. Or perhaps he felt you needed to garner a stronger affinity for the human charges we protect. To me they are little more than instruments, no different to the steel of the walls or the shells in the heavy guns. But as I value this wall and those shells, I value them. You, my brother, do not."
Techmarines aren't tehcpriests per se, but for anyone Admech related, this is downright compassionate. And to be honest I like the message that a Space Marine should give a damn about the people they protect, not caring more about their own honour or glory.


Page 81
Praxor's irritation was obvious. His squad were experienced. They had fought in many Chapter-level campaigns, distinguishing themselves with honour, but they lacked compassion. Iulus did too, but that was due to his pragmatic nature, the way he dissembled flesh and blood into materiel.
compassion as defined by Astartes standards, anyhow, but still compassion inasmuch as 40K can allow.


Page 87
A massive explosion rocked the left flank of the ork horde, deep within their lines. The resulting conflagration spread like a hungry wave, incinerating the orks in an ephemeral flame storm. Sporadic bolter fire ripped into the night in its wake from concealed positions, dull and distant.
We're not known for sure what kind of munition is doing this, but its likely its either a missile launcher or munitions planted by the scouts. The latter is implied. Of course, what "incinerate" means is up for debate as well.


Page 89
Dead greenskin sentries - pilots, mechanics and gretchin slaves amongst them - littered the ground. Most had had their throats slit, though there were some with deep-bore blade wounds to their eyes and ears, or single-shot executions to their head. Experience fighting the greenskins had taught the Astartes that an ork's brain was small and compacted within thick layers of skull. It made such a kill-shot all the more impressive.
This also tends to make any sort of firepower applied to killing orks, exploding their skulls, etc. damn impressive.


Page 90
"If he's doing what I think he's doing,' remarked Brother Garrik on a closed channel, 'then a missile strike from a gunship firing blind will have a margin of error of plus or minus twenty-five metres."

"Then we had best hope that Brother Haxis flies true, and his gunner is accurate," Scipio replied as the thrum of heavy engines approaching overhead rocked dust motes from the vaulted hangar ceiling. The screech from the Hellstrike missile came a second later. A second after that and the hangar wall was blasted apart.

Debris was still falling when Sicarius was up and sprinting through the gaping hole left by the Gladius's precise attack. Bent rebars jutted like metal bones and the stanchions was crushed and split before the concussive force of the explosion. Ferrocrete lay in chunks; thick dust cascaded like grey rain. Scipio barrelled through it all, he and his squad on the heels on Strabo.

The massive aperture punched through the wall led out into the heart of the greenskin horde. And as Scipio surged through it, killing awestruck orks as he went, he could hear the angered bellowing of Zanzag, and see him clearly in the wagon's tower.
Precision attack by Thunderhawk-delivered Hellstrike, blasts a hole in a hangar wall big enough for Space Marines to pass thorugh (3 meters wide at least). Also has a margin of error from "blind firing" said missile is 25 meters or so.


Page 91
Sicarius landed on the edge of the wagon tower, his heavy boots crushing the metal underfoot. Firing off a burst from his plasma pistol, the captain seared his enemy's torso, melting armour plate. Zanzag growled in pain, but shrugged off the blow and swung with his axe. Perched precariously on the tower, Sicarius would have fallen had he not deflected the attack with his power sword. Sparks spat from the blades in an ephemeral electrical storm as they met and parted in seconds.
Sicarius' plasma gun melts armour plate and "sears" torso. Not really calable without knowing how many pleats or how much metal was affected, but the attack was purely thermal. Power weapons also throwing off electricity.


Page 92
Before the greenskin warlord could recover, Sicarius lunged with the Tempest Blade, forcing the power sword through the beast's heaving chest. A gushet of blood spilled out as Sicarius withdrew the weapon before the wound cauterised.
Power sword cauterizses, although it doesn't do so immediately - at least not against Orks.


Page 97
Upon selecting his battle-brothers, Scipio and the four members of his squad had been instructed to report to the Xiphos at once. There, they had been divested of their power armour and clad in the armoured carapace of the scout company, the former deemed too loud and cumbersome for the covert operation Telion had in mind.
Scout armour can fit Marines, or at least enough Marine scale scout armour exists to fit them.


Page 98
Telion kept his eyes on the Blackwallow as he spoke, his stalker-pattern boltgun with its shortened stock and targeter cradled loosely in his lap.
Bolter with a stock and targeter.


PAge 102
"The tracer beacon is working," said Telion, standing at the edge of the forest. Garrik was alongside him and held up an auspex for the veterans ergeant's perusal. Scipio stood with them both.

"The signal terminates at the cliff face where the river reaches its end," Telion said, after a moment.
Tracking device.


Page 103
A Space Marine's omophagea was situated between the thoracic vertebrae and the stomach wall.

For the more poetically inclined, it was named the Remembrancer, as it allowed Astartes who consumed the flesh and organs of any creature to absorb part of that creature's memory.

Delving into an alien psyche in this way was always dangerous, but gretchin were not possessed with the same unpredictable energy as orks; the experience could be controlled.

Telion's lids flickered, the rapid eye movement beneath an indication that the process of assimilation had begun. A few seconds passed and the master scout's face contorted in a grimace. He bared his teeth, jaw locked in concentration. Images would be flooding his mind, impressions garnered from the gretchin's primitive neural pathways. From this melange of sensations - sight, sound, smell, touch and taste - Telion would build a mental picture, using his advanced Astartes physiology to sift and sort memory strands into cognisance, into meaning.
Scipio and the other Astartes looked on stoically, knowing not to intervene, but to let the process take its course. In spite of that, the tension was still palpable.

Sweat beaded the master scout's forehead. Telion clenched his fists as he continued to probe, to ransack the genetic matter he had ingested, manipulate the chromosomal information implanted there and convert it into something he could use and understand.
Using the "brain eating" organ to gain knowlege from Orks.

Page 105
His squad, the Immortals, were sitting around their sergeant, secured in their battle-harnesses in the troop hold of a Rhino APC. The bulky, slat-nosed vehicle ground on thick tracks over the shifting Black Reach sands at full throttle. Engines gunned to maximum bellowed through the metal hull, the troop hold rattling vigorously with the resonance. The Space Marines exhibited no distress, having undertaken numerous similar hell-for-leather deployments before.

They had left Ghospora Hive four hours previously and were hurtling at full speed as soon as they'd passed the gate. Once the message that Sulphora was under attack had been conveyed to Captain Sicarius, Iulus and his squad were ordered to the defence of Ghospora's sister hive immediately. Praxor, as the officer in charge and with all the siege deterrents in place, was to remain behind, much to the sergeant's chagrin. It seemed to Iulus that Praxor's views about their captain were changing too.
Rhino APC travels for four hours at full speed


Page 106
"How close are we to the gate, Brother Glavius?" he asked the driver through the Rhino's internal comm-feed.

The response was crackly and fraught with static. Glavius sounded slightly preoccupied.

"Approximately three thousand metres, sir."

"How far are the greenskins from the wall?" Iulus continued, amber strip lights washing his bald pate and limning his armour.

"Approximately two thousand three hundred metres."
Range of Greenskins from the gate, and the range of the Rhinos from the gate.


Page 107
Over two kilometres out, Sulphora loomed like a jagged, black knife rammed into the crust of the planet. The sun was high in an ochre sky and threw harsh red light onto every facing surface, casting it in the hue of blood. Defence lasers and battle cannons emplaced on the walls shrieked and boomed in unison, the tremors reaching the Rhino all the way across the sand plain.

Small-arms fire and heavier support guns rippled along ramparts and atop watch towers.

Though smaller than its neighbour, Sulphora was almost a carbon copy of Ghospora Hive, flash moulded into existence by an unimaginative engineer or mason-artisan, pock-marking Black Reach's surface just like all the others. An immense gate loomed ahead, stark and prosaic. The flat, black slab of buttressed metal was grinding open slowly on immense gears. The Rhino would only need a crack to slip through.

Sulphoura hive is smaller but of an unspeciifed degree. Along with the aformentioend ranges and the "two kilometres out" implies that small arms fire is engging the orks close ot or more than 2 km out, as well as defence laser and battle cannon fire engaging at between 2-2.3 km.


Page 108
The sergeant ducked down again, handing back the magnoculars, and sealed the fire point hatch. "Brother Glavius..." he said into the commfeed once he was back in his battle-harness.

"Eight hundred metres, sir."

Iulus cut the link again, addressed his battle-brothers. "Thirty seconds."

Thirty seconds, he thought. It was going to be tight.
Thirty secons to cross 800 metres is 26.67 m/s or about 96 kph. Making 4 hours at "top speed" implies they covered around nearly 400 km or so between the two hives, which meshes with the "hundreds of kilometres" learned bfore.

This is considerably faster than the 70 kph or so of IA fame, but we know you can soup up engines for faster speeds.


Page 111
The scouts worked through the sentries systematically, neutralising them covertly with blades and silenced rounds. They moved swiftly, like shadows along the narrow passes through the rocks. Only when they reached the very edge of the falls and the last of the sentry points did an ork see them approaching. It was about to alert its kin when it realised they were already dead: one choking on its own blood with a combat blade lodged in its neck, the other face down in the dirt with an oozing head wound.

Telion put a round through its throat at fifty metres, closed and put two more through its head at twenty whilst at a run.
Scouts engaging Orks, using subsonic/silenced ammo and knives.


Page 117
The creature listened intently, shrugged and opened its mouth to speak when its head exploded, spattering the warlord with gore. Zanzag threw the headless gretchin to the ground, roaring to his followers.
Bolter fire against Orkoid head.


Page 120
The Terminators were engulfed in a veritable storm of bullets but emerged unscathed, shots deflecting off their formidable armour like tin hail. In return, Squad Helios unleashed their storm bolters and cut a swathe through the greenskins. The orks desperately increased their rate of fire but to no avail. By the time they realised their weapons were ineffectual against the thickly armoured Astartes, dozens of greenskins were dead.

Balking at the indestructible warriors, many of the orks began to flee. Some dived into the black lagoon; others ran into the guns of their kin as they tried in vain to save their own miserable lives.

Arcus Helios and his brothers forged ahead, unstoppable.

Sicarius pressed the advantage. With most of the custom cannons eliminated, he signalled a full attack.
Ork guns do fuck all against Termiantors.


Page 121
They had been searching the darkness of the cave system for almost an hour, but as yet their quarry had not been sighted. Orks lay in ambush - those that had managed to elude Arcus Helios's vanguard of Terminators - waiting with blades and guns behind corners and in pitch-black alcoves. The auto-senses of the Astartes alerted them to every danger. Their blood was up, and the greenskins were cut down before they got a chance to move.
Auto-senses.



Page 124
In the end, willpower proved the deciding factor. Scipio had overtaken Iulus, tearing through the greenskins with brutal efficiency. His fellow sergeant was just behind him when Scipio saw Sicarius cut Zanzag's power claw off at the shoulder. It was a mammoth blow, two-handed, and left the captain open to a counter. But the attack didn't come. Zanzag staggered, dark blood gushing from the ruined stump of the partly cauterised wound.
Again power swords seem to be able to cauterize, although only partly here.


Page 125
The cavern was destroyed. Copious amounts of charges were rigged throughout and threaded along the tunnel complex beyond. Any greenskins that might still have been lurking inside would be buried alive und er tons of rubble. Sicarius even instructed the Valin's Revenge to bombard the site thoroughly with plasma torpedoes in order to be certain. In a strange way, seeing those deadly falling stars, it was as if the campaign had come full circle.
Aftermath of the assault, including more plasma torpedo bombardment.
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I remember reading the first four Ultramarines novels a few years back. The first two are alright. The third one was terrible, and the fourth one was pretty dull.
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Lupercal wrote:I remember reading the first four Ultramarines novels a few years back. The first two are alright. The third one was terrible, and the fourth one was pretty dull.
Any reason why you feel that way?
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Back to the Smurfs we start 'Nightbringer' at last. This stems from the much earlier period in 40K history when the Necrons were still 3rd edition, and you can still see the traces. That's okay, though, because Nightbringer is definitely a great novel, IMHO. Prboably one of the better Space Marine novels I've written. Part of it is the utterly heroic, 'Defender of humanity' aspect Uriel and his men encompass, but more because its chock full of interesting characters who are not cardboard cutouts. There is also a definite overwhelming threat that simply cannot be destroyed by brute force if one wishes to defeat it. It certaily marked an interesting start to a series which has been.. interesting to say the least in its vairous iterations, but I'll get to that with each novel itself.

Nightbringer will encompass 3 updates. And while I was thinking of taking my time with it, I'll probably compromise and rush a little, at least in certain ways. I just won't post all 3 at once :P (at leats not in this update. )

So this is part 1


Page 12
...removing shaped, breaching charges from his grenade dispenser.
Grenade dispensers again, this time with breaching charges. Must be pretty compact.


Page 13
He saw two heads silhouetted by the light at the firing slit and squeezed the trigger twice. Both men jerked backwards, their heads exploding.
Bolt pistol headsplosion.


Page 14
Tongues of fire blasted from the heavy bolters, reaching out towards the charging Ultramarines. Uriel saw the shells impact, bursting amongst the charging Space Marines, but not a single man fell, the blessed suits of powered armour withstanding the traitors' fire.
Assault Marine power armour standing up to heavy bolter fire.


Page 14
He turned and fired a bolt into his attacker's face, destroying the man's head.
Another (probable) headsplosion


Page 17
The Codex formed the basis of virtually every Space Marine Chapter's tactical doctrine and laid the foundations for the military might of the entire Imperium. Its words were sanctified by the Emperor himself and the Ultramarines had not deviated from its teachings since it had been written following the dark days of the Horus Heresy.
The Codex astarts. Written by the Spiritual Liege himself, and followed by both Astartes and much (probably at least the Guard) military forces of the Imperium. Amusingly enough in the HH series we learn that Guilliman himself was not a fan of rigid adherence to doctrine, even his own writings (one of the anthology short stories dealing with the Codex writing.)


Page 18
"Contacts at three kilometres and closing, sergeant! The rain held down the dust, we couldn't see them through the dead ground."
...
"Can't get an accurate count, but it looks like a battalion-sized assault. Chimeras mainly, but there's a lot of heavy armour mixed in - Leman Russ, Griffons and Hellhounds."
...
Uriel swore and exchanged glances with Idaeus. If the scouts were correct, they were facing in excess of a thousand men with artillery and armoured support.
3+ km range for artillery of unknonw type. The evidence suggests the Griffon mortars since those are the only kind mentioned, although there being Russes there allows for them to be firing as well (albeit not accurate fire, so the value of such a range evne if the Russ is firing is up for debate.)
This also establishes a 3 km range for Scout/Marine comms transmissions.
Also the size of a battalion. Seems to be an entirely mecahnised assault at that.

Page 19
Uriel recognised the distinctive whine of Griffon mortar shells and gave thanks to Guilliman that the PDF obviously did not have access to the heavier artillery pieces of the Imperial Guard.

Either that, or they realised that to use such weapons would probably destroy the bridge.
Probably confirmation that the shells ar mortar rounds. Also indication that mortar fire is less powerful than Earthshakers


PAge 19
"One and a half kilometres and closing. Closing rapidly! Dismounted enemy infantry visible!" shouted the scout sergeant in Uriel's comm-bead.
In a rather short time (a few minutes at most perhaps, although its not stated) the rebels have made more than half the distance.
Also puts something of an upper limit on all ewapons being used here, especially the tank ones. Whether that is an asboslute is left up to others.


Page 20
The first shell exploded less than four metres above the men of Alpha team, shredding their bodies through the lighter scout armour leaving only a bloody mist and scraps of ripped flesh. The shockwave of the blast threw Uriel to the ground.
Airbursting mortar shell shreds scout squad... probably at least equal to shredding a squad or to of normal men at least... worth maybe 10-20 grenades worth just for that, possibly several times more (especially if its proximity.)


PAge 20
He coughed mud and spat rainwater, rising in time to see Sevano Tomasin engulfed in blinding white phosphorescent fire.

The Techmarine collapsed, his metal limbs liquefying and the flesh searing from his bones. A second melta charge ignited in his equipment pack, also cooked off by the mortar shell's detonation. Tomasin vanished in a white-hot explosion, the rain forming a steam cloud around his molten remains.
(at least?) 2 metla charges go off, 'melting/cooking' the techmarine, who has one augmetic arm and two augmetic legs... multi-MJ quite obviously per shell, possibly double digit, and highly thermal effect.

More notably is how apparently volatile they are, if a proximity detonation can trigger them. Although this is the first time I've heard of such.


Page 21
He could smell the acrid stench of scorched human flesh from the blasted remains of the scouts. They had died only ten metres from the safety of the bunker.
Severe thermal as well as blast/fragmentation damage. assuming third degree flash burns over the entire front of the body we're talking 5-10 MJ at least, probably several times that. Alot depends on severity (blackened might suggest worse than third degree) distance and extent (just one side, or more pof the body? Or possibly less.


Page 21
A Salamander slewed from the road, its hull blazing and smoke boiling from its interior. The vehicles' supporting infantry squads fired their lasguns before the Space Marines' bolter fire blasted them apart with uncompromising accuracy.
Salamanders carrying (somehow) infantry troops - either in the compartment or riding on top/alongside.


Page 22
..dived over a pile of debris into a crater as the thunder of two battle cannons echoed across the gorge. He felt the awesome force of the impacts behind him, even through the ceramite of his power armour. His auto-senses shut down momentarily to preserve his sight and hearing as the massive shell exploded, the pressure of the blast almost crushing him flat. Red runes winked into life on his visor as his armour was torn open in half a dozen places. He felt searing pain and cursed as he yanked a plate-sized piece of sizzling shrapnel from his leg. Almost instantly, he could feel the Larraman cells cloting his blood and forming a protective layer of scar tissue over the wound. He had suffered much worse and shut out the pain.
Uriel's armour takes damage from shrapnel from two battle cannon rounds, even from cover.


Page 22
Rockets streaked from its wing pylons, rippling off in salvoes of three and the ridge vanished in a wall of flames. Heavy cannons mounted on the hull and wings fired thousands of shells into the rebels, obliterating tanks and men in a heartbeat.
thunderhawk weapons. note the ROF for the heavy guns.


Page 23
The gunship jinked to avoid the incoming fire, but another stream of shells spat skyward and seconds later the gunners had the Thunderhawk bracketed. Thousands of shells ripped through the gunship's armour, tearing the port wing off. The engine exploded in a brilliant fireball.
Damange inflicted on thudnerhawk by anti-aircraft defenses of unknown type.


Page 24
A frag wouldn't do it and only the assault troops had been issued with kraks. He checked his grenade dispenser. He had one breaching charge left.
Dispenser again. Note the difference between the shaped breaching charges, and Krak and frag gremades.


Page 24
the ragged doorway and crouched at the corner of the bunker. Streams of las-blasts and bolter rounds criss-crossed the darkness causing a weirdly stroboscopic effect.

...
Instantly, lasgun fire erupted from amongst the burning tanks.
...
Idaeus, bleeding from a score of gouges in his armour, directed disciplined bolter fire into the traitors' ranks.
..
Two Space Marines lay dead, the backs of their helmets blasted clear, and Uriel was suddenly very aware of how much less protection there was in the gun nest than the bunker.
Rather odd.. for one thing he's bleeding and it hasn't stopped, but he's got a score of gouges in unknown places in his armor. Yet he's only facing lasguns. It could be they are from the mortar fire or battle cannon shells (Uriel suffers similar) but if so, why didnt they seal up,

And if that wasn't enough there are two Space Marines with their helmet's backs blown out. Was that lasfire again (and if so how much) or was it arillery.

Either way.. the notion Space Marines don't need/don't use cover is a tad silly.


Page 25
"We'll have about thirty seconds from the first detonation to get clear. If we're not off the bridge by then, we're dead. "
In 'Wolf's Hounr' Space Wolves cover 3 km in 3 minutes. That means the distance they are from the bridge is at least 500 m. assuming they're in the middle, its at least a km across. It would also mean that the troops are engaging across a roughly similar range, and that the artillery (mortar, etc.) engaged from more than 3 km out. How much more we can't really say though.


Page 25
He checked his visor chronometer and was surprised to find it had been less than two. He knelt and counted his ammo: six clips, not good.
6 clips is 'low' for Uriel. Their combat loadout for sustained conflicts without easy resupply clearly encompasses far more than 6 clips (12 or more?)


Page 25
Risking a glance over the top level of sandbags, their outer surfaces vitrified to glass by the intense heat of repeated laser impacts, Uriel saw the bridge littered with hundreds of corpses.
Hundreds of troops over the course of an hour firing lasweapons have 'vitrified' the outer layers of sandbags. Clearly we're dealing with thermal weapons,a nd it suggsts the damage done to the marines was more from shrapnel than lasfire.

Assuming a 1 m tall, 5 m wide sandbag barrier and 1 cm depth melting... 117 kg would be melted. That's 234 Mj, which sounds alot ,but if we're dealing with hundreds (thousands?) of troops over an hour.. thats a sustained out put of just 325 watts for just two hundred troopers.


Page 27
Uriel yelled, "Grenade!" as he saw what was clutched in the severed hand. He kicked the hand into the gun nest's grenade pit and rolled a dead Space Marine on top. The frag blew with a muffled thump, the corpse's ceramite back-plate absorbing the full force of the blast.
Power armour backplat absorbs full force of point blank grenade detnation.


PAge 27
Blood fountained and he yelled in sudden pain as the warrior fired his bolter at point blank range. The shell penetrated Uriel's armour and blasted a fist-sized chunk of his hip clear.
Bolt pistol penetrates armour at point blank range, and still has enough powr to blow out a fist sized hole in Uriel's body.


PAge 27
..blowing out another foe's helmet with a bolter shell.
Night Lord headsploded.


Page 30
White heat exploded in his face, searing the flesh from the side of his skull as the Raptor fired its plasma pistol.
We don't knwo if he wore a helmet or not, but clearly no melting or vaporization of significant quantity this time. Assuming helmetless and third degree burns and a 20x20 cm surface area.. 2 kj. It could be much higher, of course, esp if the helmet is involved.


Page 31
...it detonated in a gigantic, blinding fireball, spraying molten tendrils of liquid fire.

The central support of the bridge was instantly vaporised in the nuclear heat, and Uriel had a fleeting glimpse of Idaeus before he too was engulfed in the expanding firestorm.
Meltabomb detonation. Not quite sure how to calc it, impressive seeming as it is (and we know its already thermal) but its notable for how.. omnidirectional it is. Also for the volatility again they can be easily set off in a 'chain reaction' - which was the key point of the story.



Page 35
60 million years ago…
A dead tipoff we're dealing with the Necrons. Oh yes it is...



Page 35-36
The star was being destroyed. It was a dwarf star of some one and a half million kilometres diameter and had burned for over six billion years. Had it not been for the immense, crescent-moon shaped starship orbiting the system’s fourth planet and draining its massive energies, it would have probably continued to do so for perhaps another sixteen billion years.

The star generated energy at a colossal rate by burning hydrogen to helium in nuclear fusion reactions deep in its heart before radiating that energy into space. These reactions produced intense electro-magnetic fields in the star’s core that rippled to the surface in seething magnetic waves.

A clutch of these surging fields erupted as a toroidal loop of magnetic flux some 200,000 kilometres in diameter, producing a dark, swelling sunspot within the star’s photosphere.

This active region of magnetic flux expanded rapidly, suddenly exploding upwards from the star’s surface in a gigantic flare, covering a billion square kilometres and becoming a bright curling spear of light in the star’s corona. These powerful waves of electromagnetic energy and sprays of plasma formed into a rippling nimbus of coruscating light that spiralled a snaking route towards a runeencrusted pyramid at the centre of the vast starship. Eldritch sigils carved into the ship’s side blazed with the received energies and the hull pulsed as though the ship itself was swelling with barely contained power.

Every flaring beam of light ripped from the star that washed its power over the ship shortened the star’s lifespan by a hundred thousand years, but the occupants of the starship cared not that its death would cause the extinction of every living thing in that system. Galaxies had lived and died by their masters’ command, whole stellar realms had been extinguished for their pleasure and entire races brought into existence as their playthings. What mattered the fate of one insignificant star system to beings of such power?

Like some obscene mechanised leech, the ship continued to suck the vital forces from the star as it orbited the planet. An array of smaller pyramids and obelisks on the ship’s base rippled as though in a heat haze, flickering in and out of perception as the massive ship shuddered with the colossal energies it was stripping from the star.

Abruptly the snaking beam of liquid light from the star faded and vanished from sight, the silver ship having had its fill for the moment.
Necron ship star-sucking. Presumably to feed a C'tan. As tempting it is to try to calc this.. I'm not really sure how. Its unlikely to be 100% efficient, for one thing the star is still radiating energy, and the process of scuking energy off may not be 100% efficient at that either so it could be a fraction of a fraction. And even though it implies the energy is being sucked out via the sunspot/flare, we dont know if its sucking up the whole flare or what (and even then that may not be efficient.

Assuming a sun like our star, an intensity of around 10 MJ per squar emetre, and the intensity equal over the entire surface are of the sunspot.. and IF it gets sucked up into the star. If I did the math right, and making no provision for inefficiencies we're talking 3e23 joules. This is not instantaneous, but this is energy sucked into the ship over a given period of time, and its also kind of sketchy, for the reasons outlined above.

Things get a bit messier here. It says that it was stripping its life away by about 100 thousand years per beam. That's 3 trillion seconds.. which sounds impressive, but the context in which the 'life drain' happens is not clarified. For example they're sucking off plasma as well as energy.. does this mena they're siphoning off the fuel of the star as WELL? are they intensifying reactions? Or what? And this SITLL doesn't account for inefficiencies either. If it was 100% effiicnet we're talking now something like 9e35 joules of energy.. which is INSANE... except it may or may not be that. This is actually more speculative than the last calc (even though that one ignored the energy outputs, at least it had the benefit of suggesting the bulk of the energy goes into the ship.)

So, based on context alone, bearing in mind that inefficiciences may be playing a factor in the conversion and absorption process at varying points, and assuming any of the assumptions and so forth I'm making actually have any bearing, we might say that with each trip the ship is sucking in 3e23 joules of energy or thereabouts, depending on paramters - over an unkonw period of time - from the star. Which is still all kinds of impressive. How this applies in other contextss though is also hard to say - it can say something about their energy transmission and storage abilities, but it may or may not reflect on other aspects like combat capability (Necron weapons are not neccesarily brute force, nor are the drive systems.) And beyond that, its going to get messier.


Page 36
Runes identical to those on the orbiting starship hummed as powerful receptors activated.

The ship manoeuvred itself gracefully into position above the pyramid as the gold cap began to open like the petals of a flower. The humming rose to an ear-splitting shriek as the smaller pyramids and obelisks on the ship’s underside exploded with energy, and a rippling column of pure electromagnetic force shot straight down the black pyramid’s hungry maw.

Incandescent white light blazed from the pyramid, instantly incinerating the mechanical creatures that crawled across its surface. The desert it stood upon flared gold, streaks of power radiating outwards from the pyramid’s base in snaking lines and vitrifying the sand in complex geometric patterns. The enormous vessel held its position until the last of its stolen energy had been transferred. Once the gold cap of the pyramid had sealed itself shut, the ship made the long trip back into orbit to repeat the process, its intention to continue ripping energy from the star until it was nothing more than a cooling ball of inert gasses.
The energy transfer process. It speaks somewhat of Necron power transmission and storage capabilities, even if in a very general way.



Page 37
Arcs of cobalt lightning whiplashed from its weapon batteries, smashing a dozen of its foes to destruction. Invisible beams of immense power stripped another group down to their component atoms.
Necron offensive systems.



PAge 37
Self-repair mechanisms attempted to stem the damage, but, like the ship itself, they were fighting a losing battle.
Self repair. defensive systmes.



PAge 37
The faceless crew of the starship appeared to realise that unless they could escape, they were doomed. Slowly the ship began to rotate on its axis, a powerful, electric haze growing from its inertialess engines.
...
..its engines fired with retina-searing brightness. Time slowed and the image of the enormous ship stretched like elastic, the nearby gravity well of the star enacting its revenge on the vampire ship as it vainly attempted to escape.

With a tortured shriek that echoed through the warp, the crescent ship seemed to contract to a singular point of unbearable brightness. Its attackers were sucked into the screaming wake and together the foes were hurled into oblivion, perhaps never to return.
Necron ship attempts to make what I gather to be some sort of potential FTL jump using its inertialess drives. Whatever the method (if it is FTL and not simply just some sort of inertialess at/near lightspeed travel - we're not exactly told the escape mechanism here.) it apparently is gravity-based in nature, or at least is influenced by gravity, not unlike a warp drive, as it fucks up the ship itself and the attacking fleet (singularity or black hole/pseudo BH/singularity of some kind). The bit about the 'shriek in the warp' is odd though if it is a necron ship, althoguht hat might just be the eldar fleet too. Or maybe it means the necron FTL is wapr based in some way (either Tau ether drive or a necron-based warp drive of some kind.)



Page 38
He had crafted both weapons himself from the Metal six years ago, and they were still as sharp and untarnished as the day he had forged them.
..
To complete his arsenal he carried a simple bolt-action rifle
The swords ar ebasically necron metal (living metal) which erpresents yet another chase (although one not of FFG) of humans mining necron metals for their own purposes.



Page 40-41
Small arms fire blasted from a few windows, felling a number of the alien raiders and he knew the invaders would not take Morten’s Reach without a fight.
...
Gedrik stood forward in the stirrups and aimed his rifle at one of the red armoured invaders, placing its angled helm squarely between his sights.
He squeezed the trigger, punching the warrior from its feet, sending blood jetting from its neck.
...
...Gedrik fired twice more, pitching another two aliens to the ground before the rifle jammed.
...
Then he was amongst them and swung his rifle in a brutal arc, smashing an enemy’s skull to shards.
...
He saw Faergus following him, blasting two of the aliens to bloody rags with a thunderous blast of his shotgun.
DArk Eldar dont seem to get much luck against human solid projectile weapons (botl action rifles as we noted before, and a shotgun and the like.) This may reflect that Eldar pirates/Dark eldar in these cases just aren't heavily armoured - or at least this band ain't - or that their armour can be specialized against attacks (EG better agianst beam weapons rathe rthan projectiles and physical attack.



Page 41
Faergus nodded, but before he could move, a flaring wash of violet fire blasted from one of the alien vehicles and engulfed him. Faergus screamed as the horrifying energies burned the flesh from his frame in moments. Slowly his charred skeleton toppled from the shrieking horse...
Some sort of DE weapon incinerates the flesh off a human body. Hundreds of MJ at least.



Page 42-43
But the voices passed him, climbing the Hill of the Metal.
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He heard the whoosh of flames and the hillside lit up, hissing as the snow flashed to steam. The aliens continued to work the flames of their weapons across the hillside, only stopping when a hooded figure wearing shimmering red robes climbed down from the nearest alien vehicle and raised its hand. The figure stepped forward to examine what had been revealed beneath the snow and a low gasp went up from the aliens as the steam dissipated.

Swirling like quicksilver, the exposed strata sparkled in the sunlight, its entire flank shining with a metallic sheen. Beneath the snow, a whole swathe of the hillside was formed from a smooth, silver metal. It rippled and twisted like a liquid where it had run molten under the heat of the flames, undulating like a living thing. Slowly it began reshaping itself, flowing with swirling currents into a smooth, glass-flat surface until it resembled a gigantic mirror. Gedrik watched as the hooded figure dropped to its knees before the metallic hillside and began chanting in rapture, the words rasping and artificial.
...
It was a chant in praise of the Omnissiah. The Machine God.
More Eldar/DE weapons burning away steam from a mountain sized sruface area. assuming a 10x10 m area, 5 cm deep, we might be talking a total of 11 GJ, although the nature and duration of the weapon are unknown.,


Also AdMech obsession with Necron tech again.



Page 46
The lord of the Ultramarines was a giant of a man, even by the standards of the Space Marines.
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Over four hundred years old, his strength and vitality were the envy of warriors half his age.
Age and size of Calgar.

He also has an earring, which is unusual for astartes... especially smurfy astartes.



Page 47
"There is a world some weeks distant from Ultramar that requires the force of your presence. It is named Pavonis and suffers the depredations of piratical activity from the accursed eldar.”
Travel time to Pavonis from Ultramar. Distance is not known but it must be close to the tau Empire givne what happens in Courage and Honour.



Page 49
Uriel knew that there were those who believed that the primarch’s wounds were slowly healing and claimed he would one day arise from his throne. How such an impossibility could occur within the time-sealed bubble of a stasis field was a matter such prophets ascribed to the infallible will of the Emperor.
The reference to Guilliman 'rising again' supposedly.



Page 50
The ordinary, faceless masses of humanity were the true heroes of the galaxy.

The men and women of the Imperium who stood, naked and vulnerable, before the horrors of an infinite universe and refused to bow before its sheer incomprehensible vastness. It was for them that he existed. His purpose in life was to protect them so that they would go onto fulfil humankind’s manifest destiny of ruling the galaxy in the name of the Emperor. Most would have travelled for many months or years across thousands of light years and sacrificed everything they owned to be here, but every one of them kept a respectful distance as one of the sons of Guilliman honoured his primarch.

Uriel dropped to one knee, and whispered, “Forgive me, my lord, but I come before you to seek your blessing. I lead my men to war and ask that you might grant me the courage and wisdom to lead them through the fires of battle with honour.”
Another passage that's alot like the Imperial stuff from Storm of Iron. Stupid as I may find some of McNeill's writing to be I do appreciate the way he incorporates bits like this, and his ability to write noble, non pompous Space Marines.

Also 'months and years' across thousands (or tens of thousands, if it means 'across the galaxy') light years Thousands to tens of thousands of c at least, and this is probably for long range commerical transports more than anything (although like all things with the warp, even 'average' travel times have to be taken with a grain of salt.)


Page 55
Then everything seemed to happen at once. More shots were fired and Ortega saw one of the cartel men collapse, the back of his head blown off.
Sniper (bullet?) blows out back of guy's skull.


Page 60
“Sergeant! What the hell just happened out there? Did I give you an order to open fire?”

“No, sir,” replied Collix smoothly. “But in the circumstances I felt that such an order would have been given had you been present in the battle line.”

“Then you show remarkably poor understanding of your superior officer, sergeant.”
...
“There’s no perhaps about it, Collix. Our purpose is to enforce the laws of the Emperor, not massacre His subjects. Is that clear?”

“The crowd were in contravention of those laws, sir.”

“Don’t play the innocent with me, Collix. I’ll be keeping an eye on you.”
One of the good things about this novel is an Arbites who takes his jbo seriously and is not an asshole about it (At least not to the people he watches over.)



Page 61-62
Pavonis had been a peaceful planet a few years ago, largely untroubled by the strife that afflicted the rest of the galaxy. The tithes had been paid on time and periodically the young men of Pavonis would gather for the mustering of the Emperor’s armies. In all respects Pavonis had been a model Imperial world. The people worked hard and were honoured for their labours. Riots were things that happened on other worlds.
...
And near Caernus IV, yet another supply ship had been ambushed by the eldar pirates that had been plaguing Pavonis for the last six years. It had been carrying material and goods that were supposed to go some way to reducing the huge debt Pavonis owed to the Imperium in late tithes.
...
She had tried her best to meet the tithes required by the Administratum, but there was simply nothing more she could squeeze from Pavonis.

Her production facilities were stretched to the limit and few of those goods they could produce were actually getting through. Her “tithe tax” had been an attempt to make up the deficit until the crisis could be resolved, but it had the people rioting in almost every major city.
Pavonis' past and its obligations in brief. Nice to see yet another case of a planet where warfare is not endemic or even all that common. It relaly emphasizes the contrasts angle (to truly appreciate the horror of war you have to have something to lose, after all.) It's also nice to note that apparently hte Administratum can be flexible about taxation (as long as it gets paid eventually.) But I wouldn't put it past them to be charging interest.



page 62
She closed her eyes, trying to will the image of his exploding face from her mind. He’d fallen and carried her to the floor of the podium, his blood and brains leaking over her as he spasmed in death.
The sniper bullet again. The guy who had the back of his head blown out apparently had part of the front of his head blown out too.




Page 69
To either side of the angular prow and bombardment cannon lay the crenellated entrances to her launch bays from where Thunderhawk gunships and boarding torpedoes could sally forth. Her entire length bristled with gargoyle-wreathed weapon batteries and conventional torpedo launch bays.
Strike cruiser VAe Victus' armament. Single (spinal) bombardment cannon,a nd torpedoes and weapons batteries seem to be mounted on the sides.


Page 71
Tiberius knew the devious eldar would rarely engage in a ship-to-ship fight under any but the most favourable terms since their ships were absurdly fragile and did not have the divine protection of void shields. They relied on stealth and cunning to close with their target, then blasphemous alien magicks to confound the targeting cogitators of their foes’ weapons.
Eldar space combat.


Page 71
In the darkness of space, six hours ahead of the Vae Victus, an elegantly deadly craft slipped from the shadows of its asteroid base.
...
That captain of the graceful vessel, the Stormrider, now stared with undisguised relish at the return signal on the display before him.
Strike cruiser is 6 hours away and gets detected almost instantly. millions - tens of millions of km away, at least?


Page 74
His massive form dwarfed most of his battle-brothers and, early in his training, the Tech-marines had been forced to craft a unique suit of armour for his giant frame composed of parts cannibalised from an irreparably damaged suit of Terminator armour.
Uriel's friend PAsanius is so huge he needs bits of Terminator armour to make himself a proper s uit of armour. Apparently there are limits to how big they can make conventional suits of pwoer armour, even by hand.


Page 75
He did not need to read from the slate; he had memorised the details of their mission in the week spent travelling through warp space, but to have the details near was reassuring.
A week between PAvonis and Ultramar, at least in the warp.


Page 75
Well, he would have to come out soon; the Vae Victus was only a day’s travel from her destination.


6 hours from PAvoins system's asteorid field, I'm guessing they're out close to the edge of the system. ASsuming a 1 AU transit distance, we're talking 8-9 gees of constant thrust, at least. 10x that for the 'billions of km' transit time usually.

Also a travle speed of ~1% of c or so.


Page 78
"Dread archon, the prey vessel has entered weapons range,” hissed his second-incommand.

“Excellent,” smiled Kesharq beneath his skin. “Power up the weapons and align the mimic engines.”

The enemy ship was still too far away to see through the viewscreen, but Kesharq fancied he could sense its nearness.
Strike cruiser is beyond visual range of even an Eldar, yet its within weapons range


Page 78
He stroked the fractal edge of his axe.
DE melee weapon has a fractal edge.


Page 79
“New contact, lord admiral. Sixty thousand kilometres in front of us,” said Philotas, adjusting the runes before him and squinting at the readout before him, “I have just detected a plasma energy spike on the mid-range auguries.”
Why a DE ship gives off a plasma energy spike I don't know (weapons perhaps?) but the Vae Victus as previously established is within weapons range of the Dark Eldar - 60,000 km or around there at least for range. This also represents 'mid range' sensors.


Page 79
“Identify it. Class and type. And find out how it managed to get so damned close without us detecting it before now!”
It's unusual for a starship to get so close to a strike cruiser.


Page 80
“Target approaching lance range, dread archon.”
...
“Divert main power to the lance batteries and hold it in reserve. I wish to deliver a killing blow with one strike.”
But they just said it was in weapons range.. wouldnt that have included the lances? One possibility is that the range stated is 'relative' - in this context range for a definite, killing strike.



Page 81
“Fire!” shouted Archon Kesharq as he saw the massive prow of the Space Marine vessel begin swinging to face them. The ship shuddered as the forward lance batteries hurled deadly pulses of dark energy towards its prey.

In a heartbeat they had closed the gap. The viewscreen flashed as colossal amounts of energy smashed into the strike cruiser and exploded with unbelievable force.

A bright halo exploded around the Vae Victus as the first impacts overloaded the vessel’s void shields. The following bolts detonated on the armoured prow of the ship, sending plumes of fire and oxygen flaring from her stricken hull.
...
Even at this range, he could see that the damage the pulse lances had inflicted was horrendous. Metre-thick sheets of adamantium had been peeled back from the starship’s structure like tin foil and jagged tendons of steel hung limp from the shattered section of the prow where they had struck.

Jets of freezing oxygen crystallised as they spewed from the ruptured hull, blast doors struggling to contain the breach.
DE initial strike. Lance battery pulses travel across ~ 60 thousand km in a 'heartbeat', suggesting a velocity of aorund .2c (which might be fast for plasma weapons, but its slow for a massless beam. Of course what DE weapons are is up for debate entirely.) Weapons overload the Strike cruiser's recently-raised void shield and strip off 'metre thick' plates of adamatnium armour.


Page 81
The logic engines struggled to determine the extent of their hurt, but Tiberius already knew they had been grievously wounded. Not a fatal wound yet, but still a serious one.
Serious damage from teh result


Page 82
“Surveyor control! Give me a full amplification sweep of the local area. Tell me what in the name of holy Terra is out there! Starboard broadside batteries fire at will!”
...

He felt the vibrations of the starboard batteries opening fire, but without proper ordnance control, doubted they would hit anything.
First broadside, probably aorund simialr range to the DE weapons fire, although not neccesarily as fast.


Page 83
“Incoming torpedoes, lord admiral!” warned Philotas.

“Emperor damn them to hell! Hard to port! Defensive turrets open fire!”

“Broadside batteries lock onto the torpedoes’ origination point and fire!” shouted Barzano.
..
Six torpedoes streaked towards the Vae Victus, alien targeter scrambling systems pumping out a distortion field that made it extremely difficult for their prey to intercept them. At such close range, and flying through such heavy fire, it was inevitable that some of the torpedoes would not get through...
...
The last three closed unerringly on the strike cruiser and into range of the ship’s close defences.
...
“That’s still three left,” said Tiberius. “Take them out!”

“Close-in defensive turrets targeting now!”
The Vae Victus seems to have a two tier defence turret setup, longer ranged guns as well as a last ditch close in defense turret system


Page 84
Each close-in turret was manned by a servitor equipped with its own auguries which allowed it to independently track the torpedoes as they neared. The torpedoes were programmed with evasive manoeuvres, but it was in their final stage that they were most vulnerable. As they began to slow for final target point acquisition, their speed bled off to a level where they could not evade effectively and one of the torpedoes disintegrated in a spray of high-velocity cannon fire.
Close in turret defenses.


Page 84
Every gun brought their fire to bear on the projectile and, at a range of less than two hundred metres, they brought it down.

Hundreds of shells ripped into the torpedo, which detonated in a huge ball of fire and shrapnel. However, the wreckage was still moving at incredible speed and burning shards of the torpedo slammed into the hull, destroying a close-in defence turret, shredding a surveyor antenna and collapsing a number of external statuaries.
Destruciton of the final torpedo, gives implied scope of defenses and perhaps reaction time, given that most torps move at kilometers or tens of km/s, intercepting it a few hundred metres short of the target is damn impressive. Especially if the Vae Victus itself is moving at any fraction of its own initial speed. Assuming hundreds or thousands of km/s, it would cross its own ship length in a fraction of a seocnd (1/100th to 1/1000th) and the missile would have to strike in that time (tens to hundreds of km/s, which is consistent with known torpedo velocities.)


Page 84
He shouted over to his deck officer. “What of our return fire?”

“Engaging now,” said Philotas.

“Good,” said Tiberius with a vicious grin. “Time to show that we still have teeth.”
..
As he contemplated the sheer unfairness of it all, the bridge lurched sickeningly, pitching him to the ground. The massive vibrations of nearby explosions caused the ship to shudder violently.

Lights flashed and smoke billowed from smashed machinery.

“Dread archon, we have been hit!”
Weapons battery fire seems to travel as fast as/strike at the same time roughly as the DE torpedoes. Although what kinds of weapons were fired we dont know, except that it seems they can be tracked and 'engage' - torpedoes or missiles, perhaps?

Arguably the projectiles have to be travelling many times faster than the ship itself, since they reach the target long before the other ship does, so we're probably talking thousands, or tens of thousands of km/s quite easily. Especially since this is the second broadside.


PAge 88-89
The Surgeon pressed the first of his bladed digits against the man’s belly. Expertly, he opened him up, paring back the skin and muscle like the layers of an onion.

The Surgeon worked for another three hours, dextrously unravelling every centimetre of the man to the bone, laying his flesh and organs open in gory ribbons of meat.
...
Humming alien machinery of rubber tubing, hissing bellows and gurgling bottles of blood surrounded the procedure, gently feeding the still-living cadaver with life preserving fluids. A loathsome metallic construction, like a serrated gallows, swung upwards and over the table, supporting a glossy, beetle-like organism that pulsed with rasping breath. Fine, chitinous black needles stretched from its distended belly and worked at each flensed slab of flesh. Moving too quickly to be seen by the naked eye, they stripped diseased, stringy matter from each organ and hunk of meat, weaving new translucent strands of organic matter in their place.

As the throbbing, eyeless thing finished with each segment of flesh the Surgeon would gently lift it back onto the body and meticulously rework it onto the subject’s frame until he was once again whole.

Only the head remained unopened, his mouth moving in a soundless scream of pain and revulsion. The razor gallows lowered the glistening creature onto the man’s face, its fleshy underside undulating warmly over his skin. The black needles extended once more from its body, slithering across his cheeks and working their way into his skull through the nose, ears, mouth and eyes. Threads of agony wormed through his brain as each nerve, capillary and blood vessel was stripped out and renewed.
DE rejuvenation technologies. Seems like it strips out disease and decay from the bulk of the body parts, as well as maintaining life while done (reknitting flesh, quite literally.) The head is the exception, and they apparently have to use some sort of living organism to 'suck out' the disease. The creature dies and a new one has to be regrown.


Page 92
The city walls were high and sloped inwards towards an overhanging rampart. He could see grenade dumpers worked into the machicolations and power field generators studded along its length. From his readings on Pavonis, Uriel knew that virtually everything would have been produced locally by one or other of the family cartels. The cities of Ultramar did not need such technological trinkets to defend themselves. No, they had stronger defences. Courage, honour and a people that embodied the best examples of all human nobility.
Powerfield defenses augment the walls of Pavonis city, and are locally produced. This seems tob e different form Utlramar, although why Uriel should frown on such except for ego, I don't know.


Page 93
The carriage was borne aloft on anti-grav technology similar to that used by the Chapter’s land speeders and its lacquered sides bore a heraldic device depicting a garlanded artillery shell.

Uriel knew that such technology did not come cheaply and that this conveyance must have cost a small fortune.

The horses, surely an affectation of tradition..
Horse drawn, antigrav carriage. Seems to use similar tech to what land speeders use, but only on civiialn purposes. EG antigrav tech exists in other forms than just what Space MArines use.


Page 94
“Adept Barzano felt it was likely that the local adept was in the pocket of one of the local highborn. At least this way we know whose.”
...
“It’s common enough on worlds like these out here in the eastern fringes where a planet might go for decades without official contact from the Administratum.”
Eastern fringe worlds seem to go routinley without frequent contact from the Administratum. I take it to mean something like an adept dispatched to the planet or perhaps an actual message.


Page 97
...the unfortunate business of the boy-courtesan who had accessed his credit slate and run up a mammoth debt before fleeing Pavonis on one of the many off-world freighters.
Prostitution (of various kinds) seems an openly tolerated secret, if not openly practiced, on Pavonis. at least amongst the rich. Also offworld travel and 'credit' payments.



Page 98
"...I fear that Governor Shonai has led us down too ruinous a path for the simple elimination of some bothersome raiders to save our beloved world’s economy. Her tithe tax hurts us all, and none more so than myself. Why, only two days ago I was forced to dismiss a thousand people from my employ in order to lower costs and improve margins, but does the governor think of people like me?"
Wow, they actually pay their workers in some way. I'd have thought they'd expect them to work simply as part of their duty to the Emperor, if you bought into some of the propoganda BS.


Page 99-100
“People have to pay to enter this part of the city?”

“Why, yes,” replied Taloun, as though any thought of any other possibility was ridiculous.
...

.... “How then are the city’s parks maintained? The buildings cleaned? Who pays for that? The Imperium?”

“No, no, no!” explained Taloun hurriedly. “I believe a portion of general taxes go towards their upkeep,”

“So in other words,” mused Barzano slowly, “the populace all contribute towards this lovely place, but cannot enjoy it unless they pay for the privilege once more?”

“I suppose that’s one way of looking at it,” replied Taloun haughtily.
ASide from the innate hypocrisy being presented by the noble to the common citizenry, its interesting that the Imperium and Pavonis are, here, treated as distinct entities. The Imperium isn't paying for Pavonis' planetary expenses - they fend for themselves as well as paying their tithes to the Imperium.



Page 103
....Uriel noticed a white haired man seated near him whose scarred, burned face had the unhealthy pallor of synth-flesh.
Synth flesh.. probably some sort of grafting process when real skin isnt available.



Page 112-113
“Consider this vote on hold, gentlemen. And ladies,”
...
“I like to make an entrance, Governor Shonai, but don’t thank me yet, this is not a reprieve. It is merely a stay of what may still inevitably happen.”
...
“I have to say, adept,” began Mykola Shonai, “that I had not expected you to allow me to remain in office.”

“I still may not, Governor Shonai, “that decision remains to be taken.”

“Then why did you not just allow me to fall to Taloun’s vote?”
...
"But on a more serious note, we dislike upsetting the stability of a world too much if we can at all avoid it. Replacing you at this juncture would have achieved little of value.”

“So in other words, this may only be a temporary arrangement?”
Despite a usually 'hands off' arrangement, the Imperium seems to have the right (or the Administratum at least) to interfere, however briefly, in local planetary affairs - at least insofar as they apply to its own interests (such as the appointment/replacement of Imperial Commanders, tithing, etc.)



Page 114
“As to the eldar raiders, our ships are ready to be mothballed; there is not one amongst them less than two thousand years old. How would you have us fight them?”


Yet another case of 'older is not always better' in the Imperium.



Page 117
And this close to the eastern fringes, he knew it was only a matter of time until the expanding borders of the Tau Empire reached Pavonis.
In about 4 more books, to be precise. This places Pavonis close to the Tau Empire on the Eastern Fringes. Going by the 5th edition map we might be looking at thousands of light years easily, and could be close to 10K LY or so (Ultramar is about 1 square away from the tau Empire roughly, and that could be anywhere from 5-7K LY depending on the angle - I figure based on other exampels like the distance between TErra nad Armageddon, as well as the size of the Eye of TError -both approximately known quantities - that a square is maybe 5K LY to a side, which means 7K LY diagnolly.)

Since we know a week or so of travel in the warp to reach somewhere around the Tau Empire, we're probably tlaking in excess of 100,000c or more. Bear in mind this may be 'in-warp' speed and may not account fro the dilation effects, but given context in the novel no more than a month (or weeks, as noted earlier) woudl pass, so the actual distance is within an order of magnitude of this. And of course if the distance is greater the speed goes up.)



Page 118
Barzano had discounted Mykola Shonai at the start of his investigations. He had felt no deceit from her upon their meeting and, in any case, her second, six-year term as planetary governor was almost at an end and the constitution of Pavonis forbade her to serve a consecutive third.
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The Planetary governor is elected on Pavonis. Probably not a democratic one, and probably restricted to the rich fucks, but then again some might say the same of America :P
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Next 'Nightbringer' update.

Page 119
He held his breath, watching as the two giant rocks, each bigger than the Vae Victus by several million tonnes, slid past the ship.
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“Do you have to fly so close to these damned rocks?” snapped Tiberius, his patience with the pilot finally fraying. “If you even graze one of them, we’ll all be sucking vacuum.”
We dont know how big the two rocks are, aside frm the fact they're 'several million tonnes' heavier than the Vae Victurs, which might suggest they're tens of millions of tonnes, or more depending on whose mass figures oyu believe and just how big the Vae Victurs is herself. OF course the speed also matters here, which we don't know. ASsuming a 30 million ton ship moving at 5 km/s, we'd be talking about 'only' 89 MT of KE, but the momentum would be considerably greater (and more likely to be the danger, especially if void shielding is not involved.)



Page 124-125
Uriel stared at the scorched human wreckage lying on the small cot bed and wondered how, in the name of all that was holy, this man could still be alive.
..
...he had called for the company apothecary to minister to the young man.
...
The apothecary worked by the light of a dozen sputtering candles and the sickening stench of atrophied, burned meat filled the room with choking pungency.
...
Uriel shook his head. “Selenus says not, but this one is a fighter. By rights he should be dead already. Something has kept him alive.”

“Like what?”

“I do not know, Pasanius, but the town’s alderman tells me that he would not allow their physician to grant him the Emperor’s Peace. He kept saying that he was waiting for the angels. That he had a gift for them.”
...
“I believe he was waiting for us.”

“For us? How could he know we would be coming?”

Uriel shrugged. “It is said that those who feel death’s touch yet live are sometimes granted visions and wondrous powers by the Emperor. His survival is a miracle and perhaps that is reason enough to believe it.”
The man attacked earlier in the novel is dying, from massive burns (3rd degree maybe?) = hell should have bene dead, but apparently was granted a vision and strength to last to pass the message on to Uriel. reminds you a bit of events like Excution Hour with Semper. Its possible for such 'divine' miracles to happen, hell we've heard of Living Saints and similar.

Also its nice to see yet again Uriel is a rather noble person contrasted with other Marines. Say, like, Gdolkin.




Page 126
“Perhaps, I don’t know. They say the blessed Saint Capilene lived for three days after the bullet that killed her entered her heart, that the Emperor would not allow her to fall until she had led the troops to victory against the Chaos-scum on the shrine world that now bears her name. I can’t give you a sound explanation, my friend, but my gut tells me that something has kept him alive for a reason. I can’t explain it, I just have a feeling.”
More about the 'miraculous survival/visitation'. I'd probably buy it, this being 40K and all. For the record his friend, PAsanius, doesn't believe it, so I suppose its also comforting that not everyone is a gullible fool.



Page 126
Uriel and Pasanius shared an amazed look as they beheld the blade of the sword. Its outline exuded a faint bluish radiance, dimly illuminating the room’s interior. Only the very edges of the blade remained silver, for a throbbing vein of leprous brown buried in the heart of the sword pulsed with a loathsome necrotic life. Wormlike tendrils of blackness infested the translucent metal and Uriel could see them slowly spreading throughout the weapon. He ran his gauntlet across the flat of the blade and flakes of dead metal fluttered to the floor.
Necron living metal.



Page 127
Uriel nodded and said, “Sergeant Pasanius. Fetch Chaplain Clausel, a servant of the Emperor awaits his ministrations.”
..
“He has served the Emperor well, brother-chaplain. Hear his confession and, if he so desires, administer the Finis Rerum. I shall await you outside.”
Interesting how an AStartes Chaplain can be used in place of a confessor/Ecclesiarchal priest, but it makes some sense. Also again how Uriel is totally not an asshole. He reminds me alot of Alaric in this respect and in this book, which is not a bad thing. OR Eshara in Storm of Iron.


Page 127
Uriel gazed into the death mask of bandages that was all that remained of the young man’s face and snapped to attention, slamming his fist into his breastplate.

“Gedrik of Morten’s Reach, I salute your bravery. The Emperor be with you.”
See this is the kind of behaviour that could lead one to actually LIKE the Smurfs. None of that 'Scions of Gulliman' crap.



Page 128
They soared into the clouds; the achievements of mankind insignificant beside their majesty. It was said that a man’s life was a spark in the darkness, and that by the time he was noticed, he had vanished, replaced by brighter and more numerous sparks.

Uriel did not accept that. There were men and women who stood against the darkness, bright spots of light that stood in defiance of the inconceivable vastness of the universe. That they would ultimately die was irrelevant.

It was that they stood at all which mattered.
As a theme, this is something that works alot better than MAIMKILLBURN Space MArine stuff. It serves more of a purpose, not unlike the theme of brotherhood connecting the Imperial forces in Storm of Iron.



Page 130-131
His cupped palm swam with rainwater, but Uriel could clearly see a long splinter of jagged violet crystal. There were scores of these embedded in the wall and, from their grouping, Uriel could tell they had come from one shot.

The tactical briefings he had digested on the eldar had told that they favoured weaponry that fired a hail of monomolecular, razor-edged discs of metal. But there had been other weapons, described as belonging to a darker sub-sect of these aliens, which fired just this kind of ammunition.


Crystal 'splinter' shot. Apparently a single splinter rifle fires scores in a single burst. And remember from 'Path of the Renegade' that they're Hypervelocity weapons at that.

Also mention of the mono-edged shurikens Craftworld Eldar use.



Page 131
The Ultramarines fanned out through the rain, scanning the names on the wooden cross pieces on the grave markers and, after a few minutes’ searching, found the grave of Gedrik’s wife and child. An honour guard dug in the muddy earth until the body of the young man was finally laid to rest in the soil of his home.
They buried the burned man with his family. How many Space Marines would think to do that? These little gestures are relaly what make the novel for me. Its positively anti-grimdark.



Page 133
"I have just received word that system defence ships encountered a vessel with an anomalous engine signature around the eighth planet some two hours ago and fired on it.”
...
"I do not believe they actually hit her, but they have driven it in our direction. We are almost directly in its flight path, captain. The alien vessel cannot know we are here. We can spring our own ambush on these bastards.”
We dont know how far out the eighth planet is.. maybe if Caenous IV meant the 4th planet, we're probably talking 4 planets away. I'd guess at least tens of millions of km, if not an acual AU or two, away, and it seems to be covered within two-or three hours



Page 133
“We can be ready to depart in less than a minute, Lord Admiral. Transmit the surveyor data to the Thunderhawk’s avionics logister.”
Not long to return to the ship. Also data relay from ship to thunderhawk.



Page 134
If they could not prevent the Bringer of Darkness from returning then the entire Ultima Segmentum battlefleet would not make a difference.
Segmentum levle 'battlefleet.'



Page 136
Uriel watched the blips indicating the incoming eldar ship and the Vae Victus on the Thunderhawk’s augury panel and the ghostly green lines that connected their approach vectors. It was going to be close; the alien vessel was approaching at high speed and they had still to return to the Vae Victus to refuel.
...
“How long until we can rendezvous with the Victus?

The pilot checked the augury panel. “Twenty-six minutes, captain.”

Twenty-six minutes. Add another fifteen to refuel, eight if they refuelled hot, with the engines still turning over in the launch bay. The Codex Astartes strictly forbade such a dangerous practice, but time was of the essence here and he could not afford to waste it.
...
“Can we reach the eldar ship without refuelling?”

“No, sir.”
It's interesting that they worry about running out of fuel. Possibly they don't have neough to make course corrections for an intercept or to 'keep up' with the ship at the distances. Considering the Thunderhawk must have escaped the planet it has to be travelling at many km/s. The Eldar ship must be travelling much, much faster, especially given the mention of 'high speed'.

If we assume 50 million km between planets, and they took no more than 2 1/2 hours to reach the target (2 hours plus the 30 or so minutes to refuel at most) we're talking ~5000 kps roughly as an approach speed. Even if I'm overestimating it by an order of magnitude for distance (a mere 5 million km) and it actually took the DE a day to cross the distance we'd still be talking about 50-500 km/s easily. Which is a damn high approach speed.

if we go the other way..if we assume DE have similar accel to eldar ships (~10 gees as per Rogue trader) and they accelerated constantly over a 2 hour timeframe.. speed might be 720 km/s.



PAge 138
“Yes, lord admiral, the alien ship appears to be without its disruption shields. Broadside batteries are establishing a firing solution now.”
...
“Broadside battery commanders report they have a firing solution. Target vessel has entered weapons’ range.”

Firing at a vessel at this range would be unlikely to inflict many hits, but then that was not the plan. Were he to wait much longer, the alien craft would in all likelihood detect them and evade. All he had to do was spook the alien captain and drive him towards Uriel’s approaching Thunder-hawk, its engine emissions masked by the close proximity of the planet’s atmosphere.
...
“On my command, order battery gunners to open fire. Then engage engines in full reverse and fire starboard manoeuvring thrusters. I want him driven over the polar-regions and into Captain Ventris’ path.”
The range inq uestion is long for starship guns, at least against a Dark Eldar target. Even withiout the disruption shields DE ships are very agile for their size.

Also the Thunderhawk is still in the atmosphere, although clearly pushing towards or already at escape velocity.



Page 139
"I am detecting an energy build-up three hundred thousand kilometres directly in front of us!”
...
There was no mistaking the energy signature. An enemy ship was building power in its weapon batteries and preparing to fire.

“Hard to port, take us low over the planet. Lose him in the atmosphere!”
...
Broadside batteries open fire!” ordered Tiberius. “Engage a reverse port turn!”

The enormous vessel shuddered as the entire port broadside unleashed a hail of fire upon the eldar vessel. Tiberius gripped the edge of the pulpit as the mighty war vessel began turning to face its foe and bring its prow bombardment cannon to bear.

They might not be doing this by the book, but by the Emperor, they were going to do it with their biggest guns.
The Vae Victus fires its broadside guns at the target from 300,000 km away. Bobmardment cannon implied to have similar range, as well as the forward guns 9or those that can fire forward.) DE ship attempts to evade by diving into the planetary atmosphere.

Also it takes a very brief time for the guns to build power to open fire - seconds at most (else they would have detected it beforehand.)

Another thing of interest is with the Thunderhawk. Assuming it made escape vleocity (11 km/s) it would have taken 26 minutes to cross 300,000 km. I estimate that would be between 20-40 gees depending on the exact parameters of accel and decel., and an average velocity over that distance of ~200 km/s,

It also implies their forward weapons (if not the bombardment cannon) are the 'biggest' guns, which would imply the most powerful.



Page 139-140
Each broadside battery hurled explosive, building-sized projectiles towards their target. But at such extreme range, most flew wide of the mark, detonating hundreds of kilometres from the Stormrider. Some shells exploded close, but caused no real damage save peppering the hull and mainsail with spinning fragments.

The ship nimbly altered course, its needle-nosed prow sweeping left and diving hard towards the planet’s atmosphere. More shots were fired and a vast explosion blossomed above the ship’s position as the strike cruiser’s bombardment cannon entered the fray.

The Stormrider was an obsidian dart, knifing through the atmosphere of Caernus IV, its superior speed and manoeuvrability carrying it from the guns of its enemy.

..
The eldar vessel slowed as it angled away from Caernus IV. At this point, a ship was effectively blind as its sensors realigned from the fiery journey through the upper atmosphere.

As the Stormrider cleared the atmosphere, a streak of blue flashed upwards and settled in behind the tall sails of the graceful ship. The Thunderhawk’s powerful cannons stitched a path of fire across the rear quarter of the vessel, blasting off bladed fins and barbed hooks.

Before the eldar ship could react, the Thunderhawk swooped in across its curved topside.
300,000 km is 'extreme range' for broadside cannon, at least against a target as agiel as Dark Eldar. We dont know quite how fast its tracking, but I'd guess single or double digit km/s (certainly not thousands of km/s!)

If we knew the exact timings we might derive velocity. We do know that a.) the shells arrived beofre the DE ship dives into the atmosphere. b.) some shells were hundreds of km off target c.) Uriel's Thunderhawk reaches the craft before the DE ship escapes the atmosphere (and is able to overtake it) d.) the cruiser can actually fire two salvos and they reach their target in about that time.

The first benchamrk is 'evasion'. We know that the DE cruiser is hundreds of km away from its original position (assuming all targets would hit or not scatter) when the rounds stirke. Assuming its travelling at a few km/s (call it 5-10 km/s based on Uriel's thunderhawk and the fact its entering the atmosphere) ASsuming it gets 800 km away frm the target in that time we're talking 80-160 for the shellt to cross that distance. That works out to a velocity of between 1875 and 3750 km/s. That probably is generous, for one thing I'm assuming much a higher end of 'hundreds', - if it was 200 km the time would be much less (20-40 seconds, and 4x faster velocity) moreover, there's the fact of the thunderhawk. Uriel's thunderhawk has to be traveling at close to top speed (many many km/s, if not at escape velocity) and there's only so long it could travel before reaching hte upper atmosphere.) Atmospheric reentry matters become significant round 100-150 km or so IIRc (and the boundary between outer space and atmosphere is aorund there too IIRC) so even if the ship were traveliling at a few km/s, it should be much less thana minute travle time. hell if its at or near escape velocity, we're talking a mere 10-15 second travel time for the shells, which is 20-30 thousand km/s.

Also, don't forget they fire TWO salvos, and both reach them before the ship enters the atmosphere and the thunderhawk reaches it, so the time is bound to be much less (both for bombardment cannon and the cannon salvos.)

For comparison, WW2 battleship cannon had times to max range of around 80-90 seconds tops... longest ranged known 'shot' against another warship, IIRC was at 26-27 km or so from 11" guns would be around 40-50 seconds at that time, although its a indirect fire arc rather than direct fire. 80-90 seconds yields somwerhe areound 3000-4000 kps, whilst 40-50 seocnds is 6000-7500 kps.

Other factors to consider: In '13th Legion' we learn that Dark Eldar starships can change course (direction if not velocity) in a couple of seconds tops, and we know from the FFG stuff that even with 10 gee or so accels a couple km long Eldar starship would take far less than a minute (more like 20-30 seconds) to cross its own length and evade gunfire (on broadside) if we figure head on (less than a km) its substantially less time (less than 10 seconds). Hell even from a standing start at 10 gees most cruisers could cross at least 200 km in about a minute.

Overall it seems a safe bet to say that 'thousands to tens of thousands of km/s' is easonable for projectile cannon, and fits with all the other examples. Indeed, we already know from Execution Hour that bombardment cannon have similar velocitiy, and Strike cruisers (and their bombardment cannon) are shorter ranged than proper warship guns so this is probably conservative for actual warships.

Also off course 'building sized' projectiles. How big a building is up for debate, but even if we're talking something as small as an outhouse or urinal (A few metres tall and a metre across) it would still probably mass many tonnes. at the very least.

On the other hand, we have the 5000 kps nova cannon from Warriors of Ultramar, which would argue macro cannon move much slower, so the lower end of the range may be more accurate. If you assume the WoU quote is absolute (which ignores rogue Trader RPG's own take.)



Page 141
Uriel dropped and felt the whoosh of superheated promethium as it washed over him down the corridor. Alien screams echoed from the glassy walls as the liquid flames cooked their bodies within their armour and seared the flesh from their bones.
Pasanius' flamer. Probably cremating bodies, although in this context PAsanius is a huge guy, so he migth be carrying a bigger flamer (or more fuel and just using more.)



Page 141
Uriel could hear the sounds of more aliens moving to intercept them and thumbed a pair of frag grenades from his belt dispenser.
Frag grenades in belt dispenser.



Page 141
He rolled around the corner and fired two shots from his bolt pistol.
...
A pair of aliens fell, their chests blown open by the mass-reactive shells as Uriel flipped both frags down the corridor.
Two bursts of boltpistol fire blow out DE chests. Whether single shells or a multi-round burst per trigger pull, its hard to say.




Page 145
The bolt tore into the side of Kesharq’s cheek, gouging a chunk of his pallid flesh from his skull, but the range was too close for the bolt to fully arm itself and it detonated well past the alien’s head.
Apparently bolt rounds don't detonate immediately on impact. If there isnt something to stop the round before it arms, it will overpenetrate. Although based on the HH novels we might expect proximity effects to still make it dangerous.



Page 146
...the vast, sixty-tonne tank....
...
The tank was a Conqueror pattern Leman Russ, though he reluctantly conceded that the armour and technical specification of this locally produced model was inferior to those fabricated on the Conqueror’s original production forge world of Gryphonne IV.
Pavonis has 'knockoff' copies of forge world designed tanks. I wonder if this is like 'counterfeit' Baneblades or those unofficial tank designs you see in Zou or Abnett's novels sometimes. Tank quality it seems can vary, at least in small degrees.



Page 146-147
He handed a ration pack up to the major who nodded his thanks and tore the foil container open, grimacing with distaste at its contents.
...
The meal consisted of some bread, cheese and an ambiguous-looking meat product. Morgan sniffed it and was still none the wiser.
...
..mouthfuls of bread and the gluey, brown meat from the ration pack.
PDF issue ration packs. Sounds more appetizing than corpse starch so they should be grateful. They could have lived on Stalinvast or other hives and eaten human.

As an aside I'd note the PDF forces here are a nice touch, as they are presented not as mustache twirling villains or heretics, but as honest men and women who believe they are doing what is best for their planet, fighting injustice, and following noble men. The irony and horror is that they are being manipulated - used as pawns -by those same cruel, greedy and uncaring men, but they don't know that.

It's an actually interesting sort of 'Grimdark' because of how not-one-dimensional it is, and because you're not forced to look at these people in black/white terms. The horror lies in the fact they will be damned as heretics because for the best of intentions, which makes those who are using them all the more monstrous really.



Page 147
He’d borrowed Park’s infra-goggles and watched whole troops of men dispersing throughout the countryside.
One of the PDF tankers has infrared goggles it seems



Page 147
Soldiers with shoulder-launched missiles and bipod mounted autoguns were placed around the eastern perimeter of the complex...
I'm not sure if those autoguns are their standard small arms, or if its some sort of Machien gun analogue.



PAge 147
Altogether Morgan knew there were three hundred and twenty-seven armoured vehicles concealed on the plateau and within the mountainside. Basilisks, Griffons, Leman Russ, Hellhounds and various other patterns. He’d counted them once, when his crew had pulled patrol duty. The numbers and types sounded impressive, but Morgan had studied enough about armoured vehicles to know that these were inferior copies of Imperial forge world constructions.
The aforementioend armour force. Again its 'cheap knockoffs' which indicates quality is vairable. On the other hand it could also point to the fact that reduced quality meands increased quantity - which might explain why on one hand Chimeras are supposed to be so rare and hard to acquire, yet cheap knockoff shit like Trojans (or even chimeras) can be used for so many other roles (including medical and other - DESPITE THE RARITY.)



Page 149-150
Vast columns of men, women and children gathered ready to march. Almost every local manufactorum and business had shut down, either by choice or simply because its workers were now on their way to Liberation Square. The transport networks had shut down and the only rail routes still functioning were those ferrying more workers in from the outlying regions to join the demonstration.

There had been fears amongst the demonstration’s organisers that the news of the Space Marines’ arrival would dissuade people from attending, but, perversely, the reverse seemed to be true. There was a festive mood to the crowd. Families walked, hand in hand and, scattered throughout the swelling crowd, musicians played stirring, patriotic songs to lift the hearts of the people. Colourful flags and banners flapped in the light breeze, displaying the heraldry of various branches of the Workers’ Collective and proclamations of unity.

Here and there, bands of self-appointed route-marshals distributed placards bearing uplifting slogans and helped direct the motion of the crowd.
..
As the crowd continued to grow, its organisers began to realise that the demonstration march was taking on a whole new aspect. It had changed from a show of united strength to a tremendously dangerous enterprise. Such a mass of people on the city streets, despite their peaceful nature, made this day’s events perilously close to what might be considered outright rebellion.
Despite the comments about rebellion, this is almost.. liberal by 40K standards. If you believed some of the more grimdarky fluff these people would have been beaten down and shot in their place (or had incendiary dropped on them) for simply daring to gather and not be at their places doing their part to provide importance resources For The Emperor. The mere fact there is a protest at all says volumes.

And frankly I dont mind. It doesn't suddenly make this place happy happy wonderful that protests can happen and everything isnt overwhelming brutality, but that doesn't mean the workers aren't oppressed or there aren't class systems or divisions of wealth.



PAge 150
..men in dirty overalls and plain working clothes mingled with those in bicorned hats and fine black suits that would have cost most workers a year’s salary.
Again they PAY their people. This must be a paradise by some standards, even if not quite Ultramar. THsi would make the stories decent simply by not being all skulls and horror and slavery.



Page 151
Already, thousands had spilled into Bellahon Park on the inner face of the walls, trampling delicately cultivated topiary and splashing in the shallow lake where priceless varieties of fish were bred by the palace biologis.
Some worlds would only care about how much fish they oculd produce to feed other worlds. I wonder if 'biologis' means actual Coggies, or if its something more of a 'not-really-Magos Drusher' type Biologis.



Page 151
Apparently system defence ships had fired on the alien craft, and at least three captains were claiming they had hit it.
Pavonis has at least 4 system defense ships, probably more.



Page 154
His line of judges was solid. Every one of them had their shotguns slung and their suppression shields held in the guard position. Parked behind them, a line of Rhinos, most armed with powerful water cannon, were idling, ready to haul them out of trouble.
Frankly the arbites here seem to be taking on more of a role of enforcers.. but its possible that out on the fringes of the galaxy the rules are much different than closer in to the core systems (Even Calixis is closer to the core worlds than the Eastenr Fringe is, after all.) Alternately, because the protests and such involve issues with the tithe and the Imperial commander, its quite likely that the arbites feel Imperial Law is involved - nothing says that the ARbites cannot interpret their duties differently form world to world or sector to sector, after all. Pavonis arbites may take a more liberal view on things than other worlds (Hydraphur or Calixis) do. Or it may be up to politics.

another notable thing is how less obviously oppressive they are. It may be due to the leser numbers, or the difference in mentality, but again they don't shoot first, even if they have broken bones and caused injury with the water cannon - rather pragmatic and humane by Arbites standards. I shudder to think how Calpurnia would deal with it.

I should also note this isnt the first time a protest has occured, nor have the water cannons been deployed.

Oh and the judges thing - they clearly are not literally 'Judges' but arbitrators, so I imagine 'judge' is local slang for what the arbites are (confusion of terminology, perhaps.) Or it may just reflect a more liberal atittude than the core worlds.



Page 158
Grenade canisters of choke gas fired from the line of judges at the palace gates landed amongst the crowd, spewing caustic fumes outwards in obscuring banks of white. The canisters were landing just in front and beside his group and Ortega made a mental note to thank whoever had given the order to fire them. He slammed down his visor, engaging his rebreather.
..
Knots of stunned demonstrators stumbled aimlessly through the clouds of smoke, eyes streaming and chests heaving. Many vomited on the cobbles or curled up in foetal balls.
(relatively) nonlethal measures. Also the visor and rebreather are normal part of arbites gear, built into the visor I gather.



Page 159
Their prey skidded to a halt and formed a disciplined firing line. Ortega was surprised, but not so surprised that he didn’t drop to his knees and brace his shield before him as their enemy’s shotguns fired controlled volleys down the street.

The shield rocked under a terrible impact, and a fist-sized dent appeared in the metal next to Ortega’s head.
...
He sprang from behind his shield, and was punched from his feet as a second, unexpected volley hammered into the breastplate of his armour.
..
Ortega groaned, and pushed himself upright and winced as he felt a sharp pain stab into his chest. The breastplate had absorbed the majority of the shot’s impact, but it was holed, and blood streamed down its front.
The 'prey' is armed and equipped as arbites and thus is firing 'automatic' shotguns.

Given the 'fist sized' dent int he shield, I think its safe tos ay these particular rounds aren't firing pellets, but probably solid slugs. Which probably means that's what punches into ORtega's carapace as well. Ortega ends up with several broken ribs and IIRC a punctured lung.



Page 159
Two judges blasted its hinges as a third slammed an iron-shod boot into the lock, thundering the gate from its frame.
Again suggestive of slug firing. It could be that the Pavonis Arbites equip their shotguns with dual ammo loads and can switch between shot and slug with a selector (or alternate ammo, including Executioner rounds though we dont see those here.)



Page 161-162
The insect-like shapes buzzed in on wide nacelles, bulbous gunpods like stingers slung under their noses, eerily tracking with the pilot’s head movements as they circled the building.
...
Amel Vedden never got the chance to find out whether he had the courage to face down a Space Marine as it was at that point the guns of the ornithopters opened fire.

Heavy autocannon fire sprayed the roof of the building, churning up its pebbled surface and shredding human flesh. The men who had been awaiting rescue in the flyers were the first to die, ripped apart in seconds by the heavy calibre, armour piercing shells. Vedden screamed as an autocannon shell clipped him, instantly shearing his leg from his body in mid-thigh. He collapsed, dragging the girl to the ground with him.

The Ultramarines scattered, firing at the ornithopters, but their bolter rounds were ineffective against the armoured undersides of the gunships.

Learchus sprinted forward, diving to the ground to gather the girl in his arms and rolling on top of her as the ornithopters shells ripped towards her. He supported his weight on his elbows so as not to crush the girl and felt the powerful impacts hammer into his back plate. He offered a short prayer of thanks to his armour for standing firm against the traitorous fire.
Armed ornithopters. Whether they are part of the PDF or privately owned, we dont know (if that matters) but it represents a helicopter force on the planet. The autocannons calibre isnt known, but they're clearly not super-heavy tank gun type autocannons, probably closer to 20-30mm type. Even so, the fact that AP slugs do not penetrate Learchus armour says something about its durability, at least in this case. Of course the kind of AP, how they strike (they probably don't deform, I'm betting they skip off) range and angle can all play a role here.



Page 163
Ortega and the wounded prisoner were carried away along with his judges. The aircraft could not carry the weight of eight fully armoured Space Marines, but the pilot assured Learchus that he would be back directly.
...
The sergeant assured the pilot that he and his men could make their own way back to the palace quite safely, and ordered him to pick up any remaining judge units holed up in the city
Ornithopters can apparently carry passengers (at least a squad or so I'd gather), but their weight limit means they can't carry eight space marines - at least not that and the passnegers they already carry. They seem to be a combination armoured gunship and troop transport on this world.



Page 165
She nodded, too choked to answer. Chanda had just provided her with a slate with the estimated death toll from today’s violence and its scale had numbed her.

Barzano opened his arms to her and she accepted his embrace. He enfolded her shuddering body as she wept for the dead. Barzano looked Chanda in the eye.

“Get out,” he said simply.

Chanda looked ready to protest, but caught the iron resolve in Barzano’s stare and departed through the infirmary door with a curt bow.

Ario Barzano and Mykola Shonai stood locked together for several minutes as the governor of Pavonis allowed the years of failure and frustration to wash through her in great, wracking sobs. Barzano held her, understanding her need to let out her burden that had been dammed for too long.

When she had finished, her eyes were puffed and red, but a fire that had been smothered there for so long had now been relit.
Man the sheer scale of the.. NOT GRIMDARK filling this book is awe-inspiring, and it makes it all the more enjoyable. That isn't to say the situation isn't horrible or grim - we have a planet riven by conflict and possible war, massive amounts of death and destruciton, people being tortured, murdered, enslaved... and yet things aren't totally hopeless. The eactions of people like BArazano, the Ultramarines, etc. all serve to counter balance this. It's alot like the Gray Knights novel really.

And a kind, caring and noble Inquisitor is just.. damn cool.



Page 166
“If he is the captain, he’s called Amel Vedden, an officer in the Kharon barracks.”

“That’s one of the regiments sponsored by the Taloun,”
...
“So now the loyalty of an entire regiment of PDF troopers is in question?”

She swore. “That’s nearly five thousand men.”
Size of a PAvonis PDF regiment. Given six major houses, and they at least have 2 maybe 3 regiments per house, we're looking at at least 12-18 regiments of infantry, 60-90 thousand men. Probably higher though.



Page 166
"It’s hard to say, it’s been decades since we needed to mobilise the PDF. The last time was in the governor’s father’s time.”

“Yes, but how long?”pressed Barzano.

“Perhaps two or three days. That’s if enough of the soldiers answer the muster."
Mobilization time of the Pavonis PDF. This is implied to be a bit slow.



Page 166
“The Vae Victus and Captain Ventris will return in less than three days,” added Sergeant Learchus.
Implies 3 days perhaps form the 8th planet to the inner system. between 3-10 AU and ~3 days we're talking between 3 and 10 gees and and 1.2-4% of c acceleration and max velocity, respectively.


Page 183
"It came from a hillside almost entirely composed of metal. According to the local populace and a survivor of the raid, this metal once ran like liquid and their smiths used it to fashion blades and ploughs.

Though this practice had been going on for generations, the metal would somehow regenerate each shorn piece.”
More living metal. Simialr cases have existed of Necron materials being mined by ignorant humans for personal purposes in the various FFG games.



Page 183
“This, my dear captain, is a fragment of wreckage from a starship more than one hundred million years old. It is also the reason we are here on Pavonis.”

“One hundred million years,” mused Leland Corteo. “Surely that’s impossible. Mankind only reached the stars less than fifty thousand years ago.”

“I did not say it was a human ship,” snapped Barzano.
Necron vs Human timelines.



Page 184
Uriel hissed and the others stepped back in alarm. Barzano took a deep breath and closed his eyes and Uriel felt a tinny, electric sensation pass through him. The book heaved, mirroring the inquisitor’s breath...
...
Sorcery!
...
“No, captain. I am entreating the spirit within the book to impart a measure of its knowledge to us.”

“Spirit within the book?” hissed Uriel.

“Yes. You have heard the expression that knowledge is power, yes? Did you think those were just empty words? Knowledge is indeed power, and knowledge has power.”
..
Seeing the book pulse like a beating heart, Uriel muttered a protective prayer. Suddenly he realised that there could only be one way that Barzano was, as he put it, entreating the book’s spirit.

“You are a psyker?”

“Of sorts,” admitted Barzano, his brow knitted with the effort of speaking. “I am an empath. I can sense strong emotions and feelings.”
Some sort of psyker book.. whether its bound wth a spirit or daemon we dont know, but this tends to strongly hint at Barazno being some sort of RAdical.



Page 185
“Corteswain was the only survivor of an expedition to a dead world, whose name has long since been lost, in search of STC arcana. Something attacked his expedition and he claimed to have been taken to a world beyond this galaxy by a being of unimaginable power he called a god.”
...
"He claimed to have seen the true face of the Omnissiah, the Machine God. Needless to say, this didn’t make him particularly popular within some factions of the Adeptus Mechanicus, who accused him of blasphemy. It caused a schism in their ranks that exists even today and within a year Corteswain disappeared from the omniastery on Selethoth where he had begun preaching his dogma.”
...
"His rivals probably had him abducted and killed. But some of his writings survived, carried from the omniastery by his acolytes.”
Corteswain was mentioned in Codex: Necrons. I believe he was supposed to have met the Outsider although it might have been the Dragon.


Page 186
“So the Bringer of Darkness is an alien starship. What can it do?”

“It can unmake the stars themselves, bleed them dry of energy and leave nothing alive in a star system. And it can do this in a matter of days. Now do you see?”
It can 'unmake stars' in days. I'm guessing by 'bleeding dry' it might mean it bleeds them of heat - I mean making it spontaneously fusion or sucking up teh energy it does produce is differnet, although its probably still sucking off hugetastic amounts of energy even at ludicrously low energies. ASsuming 1 millionth of a percent we're talking a good fraction of stellar output (e24-e25 watt) soo.. yeah.

Really I'm not sure how to calculate this without someone screaming 'wank' soo.. its just over the top no matter what. On the other hand this is implied to be Nightbringer's own flagship so its meant to be over the top. OR it may be hyperbole, since its not exactly a observed feat, but one driven by fear (though there is the whole introduction and neding bit to consider..)


Pgae 187
Constructed in a hardened bunker in the eastern wing of the palace, orbital defence control was responsible for the monitoring of aerial and spatial traffic in the local area around Pavonis. It was heavily fortified and fully self-contained, with its own energy grid and reserve power supplies that would allow it to defend Pavonis for up to a year without primary power.
Oribtal traffic contorl probably.



Page 197
When the chemical reactions churning in his bloodstream had absorbed enough of his body’s fuel to reach critical mass, they achieved their final state of existence.

Pure energy.

And with the force of a dozen demolition charges, Beauchamp Abrogas exploded
Dark Eldar chemicals can turn a human into a living bomb. assuming Imperial armour demo charges (9 kg apiece) we might be talking over 100 kilos of explosive.

If we assume it was using the human fat content for explosive energy and we assume a rather thin 60 kg or so guy .. 6 kg of fat equals 100 kilos of explosive.. about 2.7 MJ (or so) per kg.



Page 198
Two Leman Russ Conquerors from the Kharon barracks opened fire on the bronze gates, the heavy shells blasting them and a sizeable portion of the walls inwards. When the smoke cleared, a twenty-metre breach was visible and the armoured vehicles ground over the rubble and into the city.
Assuming the gates were solid iron (or even rock) 2 shells blasting a 10 m breach apiece (we dont know how thick they were, but multiple metres is not unreasonable given what we know about such gates) Iron would be 4-5 tons, rock would be a few hundred kilos. Either way, and assuming its was an over estimate by even an order of magnitude for iron) is tens or hundreds of kilos apiece per shell. Considering the cannon is smaller thana Russ that is saying something.



Page 198
Macro-cannons blasted huge craters in the square and several tanks erupted in geysers of flame as the huge projectiles smashed through their armour and detonated their ammo stores.

But as more tanks poured into the city, the servitor gunners were swamped with targets and simply could not take out enough tanks...
Servitor controlled macro cannon defenses.



Page 199
For some reason, its energy shield had not yet activated and battle cannon shells began dropping within the walls of the planetary governor’s fastness.
Indirect fire of battle cannon shells and energy shields on the palace of some kind.


Page 199
Other tanks began shelling the walls of the Arbites precinct, but here they met fiercer resistance. The power fields incorporated into the precinct’s walls were, thus far, holding the worst of the damage at bay, crackling and flashing with energy discharges. A few tanks attempted to lob shells over the walls and into the precinct, but their guns were incapable of elevating high enough or firing at a low enough velocity to land their shells within the judges’ compound, and every shot was long, detonating within the hab units further east.

But as more shells slammed into the energy fields protecting the walls, it became clear that it was simply a matter of time until they failed and the wall would be reduced to rubble.
Wall-mounted powerfield defenses. Whether they are projected from the walls or if they actually enhance the strength of the walls - or both - we don't know.

Also more indirect fire of the battle cannon shells, implying they sail right over the arbites precinct. Pity we know nothing about the size or height.. it would help with trajectories.


Page 203
Danil Vorens lowered his smoking laspistol and returned his attention to the viewscreen before him.
...
Lutricia Vijeon stared in open-mouthed horror at the corpse lying in the centre of the room with a ragged hole where its face had been. The old man had come in waving his pipe and screaming at them to raise the energy shield, cursing them all to hell for allowing traitors to defile the palace walls.
...
He’d raged at Vorens, who had calmly drawn his pistol and shot him in the face.
Lastpistol destroys face (and probably a fair bit of the head) of a human. Probably single or double digit kj at least, although it could be higher with a more thermal mechanism, more in line with some of my 'older' lasweapon calcs (tripel digit kj or higher, such as for boiling or cuaterization.)



Page 205
The two-man fire team heard his cry and swung their missile launcher to bear on the tank.

The shell slashed from the recoilless launcher, slamming into the Chimera’s frontal section and exploded, severing the tracks but not penetrating its hull.
PDF chimera resisting missile impact, apparently fired from some sort of missile launcher more like a recoilless rifle.



Page 206
The rebel PDF had more men and light artillery support, but Virgil had some of the most feared soldiers in the Imperium fighting for him. And the superior training, weaponry and discipline of the Arbites was now proving its worth...
Arbites weaponry and armour is superior to PDF weapons and armour, at least in the personal gear category.



Page 207
The lascannon mounted on the frontal section of Divine Authority fired, vaporising one of his companions, but the rest kept coming.
Russ lascannon vaporizes a human. If literal we're talking hundreds of MJ at least. If figurative a fraction of that (maybe a couple of MJ 4th degree burns can flay flesh from bone so that would be 4-8 MJ per shot.



Page 210
The entrance to the command centre had been built to withstand the heaviest assault, and not even the power of three Space Marines could smash through the metre-thick layer of plate steel.
Command bunker door.



Page 211
Almerz Chanda stood over the body of the palace guard, expertly holding a smoking lasgun. He snapped off a shot at Barzano, taking the inquisitor high in the shoulder and slamming him back against the shuttle’s hull.
...
Jenna Sharben turned and was punched from her feet by an equally well-placed shot.
...
Barzano tried to ignore the pain of the laser burn on his shoulder.
Lasgun fire. Not calcable here but worth noting for later. Assuming a 10x10 area of Barzano's shoulder (at least) was burnt we're talking maybe 5-10 kj at least for the bolt (assuming 50-100 j per sq cm for fairly severe burns.) It's certainly not heavily mechanical damage - BArzano wouldn't have an intact shoulder if that were the case.

On the other hand the fact he's still suffering pain may suggest the burns are less severe despite implications that they cauterize on impact - 10-30j per square cm for second degree burns perhaps, in which case it is only 1-3 kj.



Page 212
Chanda stood, his face angry, turning away and speaking hurriedly into a handheld vox-caster he removed from his pocket.
Hand vox.



Page 214
...the lasburn on his shoulder cleaned and bound with surgical dressing.
...
...Jenna Sharben lay on the bed, her wound untreated. The judge had taken a lasbolt to the belly and though the heat of the shot had cauterised the wound, Barzano suspected she might be bleeding internally.
REsults of the lasgun wounds before. Not really easy to guess at the second, except again its not mechanical or explosive, but seems to be quite thermal. I've never quite understood how they could cauterize the outside of the wound to prevent bleeding out, but still permit internal bleeding. This may reflect that some (many?) lasweapons do not strictly correspond to 'realistic' energy weapon effects (EG not like laser or particle beams.)



Page 215-216
"My ordo know that one of an ancient race of beings we know as the C’tan went into a form of stasis somewhere in this sector, but not exactly where. We think that the Nightbringer was once his, for want of a better word, flagship. There are ancient writings and hints about the ship and its master scattered throughout history, but we still know next to nothing about it. It is of a time before the ascendancy of man and little is known for sure.”

“This… C’tan, what was it like?”

“No one can say for certain. It has probably been dormant for millions of years and records are unclear to say the least. I’ve read every fragment I could lay my hands on concerning the Bringer of Darkness, but I still know almost nothing about it, save one thing.”

“And that is?” asked Mykola hesitantly.

“The Nightbringer is death incarnate. Its dreams are the stuff of every race’s nightmares, becoming the very image of their doom. Every thought you have ever had regarding the horror of death and mortality comes from this creature. When it walked between the stars in aeons past, it left that legacy in the collective racial psyche of almost every species in the galaxy.”
Discussion of the Nightbringer and C'tan. Whilst technically 'old' fluff by this point, that doesn't mean it doesn't have merit in some context. Recall that from humanity's POV the Necrons are still going to be inscrutable and more prone to rumor and speculation than hard fact, and that the C'tan might actually all be slaves of the 'modern' Necrons may not be a well known fact, especially on the Eastern Fringe.

More to the point, the new codex does not take it for granted that all the shards are under the control of the Necrons.
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Re: Ultramarines novels analaysis/discussion thread

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Last update for Nightbringer. Pretty much a good ending to a great novel, IMHO.



Page 216
Few men knew the awesome power of destruction the captain of a starship possessed; the power to level cities and crack continents. For all that the captains of the Imperial Navy might strut and boast of the capabilities of their ponderous warships, there was nothing that could compete with the sheer destructive speed and efficiency of a Space Marine strike cruiser.
Implied firepower of the STrike cruiser. We dont know if it is in a single strike or sustained barrage or what, but its impressive sounding nonetheless (in context usually its grand cruisers and battleships alone that have continent cracking weaponry.)


Page 216
Defence lasers periodically stabbed upwards from armoured silos far below on the planet’s surface. None of the mighty guns could match the speed of the strike cruiser and though their powerful beams pierced the sky with their colossal energies, there was a desperation to the fire. So long as the Vae Victus remained in high orbit, the guns below were impotent.
The defence lasers 'underground' cannot reach the Vae Victus in high orbit (36-97 thousand km for an Earthlike planet, as outlined in Wolf's honour and other sources.) but the Vae Victus (as we learn later) can apparently target them form this range, at least with targeting data provided.


PAge 216
...the smaller, aerial defence batteries were a different matter.

Scores of such silos were scattered around Brandon Gate and incorporated into the planet’s surface. Though these were incapable of harming a starship, even one in low orbit, they could shred any aircraft that came within fifteen kilometres of the city. All were crewed by lobotomised servitors, hard-wired into their weapons, and controlled from the defence control bunker secreted somewhere within the palace grounds.

While the guns cast their protective cover over the city, any airborne assault was doomed to failure.
Anti-aircraft weapons defence ranges. Whether guns or missiles or what, (probably guns) the range is impressive.


Page 218
The astropaths on the Vae Victus had reported powerful sigils and hexagrammic wards incorporated into the walls of the cells and this, combined with the energy shield that now enveloped the palace, ruled out a teleported assault.
Wards and defense shields combine to nullify teleport assault.


Page 218
“The co-ordinates are dialled into the attack logister?”

“Yes, lord admiral, everything is prepared. The firing solution has been confirmed.”
...
Almost time, thought Tiberius, praying that the anonymous transmission Uriel had received as he had flown towards Brandon Gate earlier that day had been genuine.
They have recise coordinates.


Page 219-220
She made to wipe a tear from the corner of her eye, blinking as she saw something detach from the icon representing the Space Marines’ strike cruiser.

A second gunship?

No, the signal was too small and, as she looked closer, she saw that it was moving too fast for a gunship. Suddenly she realised what it was and where its trajectory would cause it to land.

A warning klaxon sounded as the aged defence cogitators came to the same conclusion, sounding the alert as a flurry of other blips fired from the cruiser.
...
...watching as the salvo of magma bombs launched from the Vae Victus hurtled towards them, homing in on the precise co-ordinates provided by Lutricia Vijeon.
...
They would impact soon, wiping this facility from the face of the planet, and not even the energy field would protect them.
Magma bomb bombardment from high orbit again.


Page 220-221
The magma bombs impacted within seconds of one another.

The first clutch hammered into the energy shield, overloading the field generators protecting this portion of the palace, and punching a hole. Subsequent bombs blasted through the wing the control centre was buried beneath, obliterating it in a thunderous detonation and hurling tank-sized blocks of stone high into the air.

The next penetrated ten metres of reinforced rockcrete, blasting a crater almost a hundred metres in diameter.

Two bombs malfunctioned, the first corkscrewing wildly as it hit the upper atmosphere and landing at the edge of the Gresha Forest, immolating a sizeable portion of the Abrogas cartel’s country holdings. The second hit over nine hundred kilometres from its intended target, splashing down harmlessly in the ocean.

But the rest slashed into the crater and punched deep into the command centre, their delayed fuses ensuring they exploded in its heart. Firestorms flared, incinerating every living thing within and collapsing what little remained standing. A vast black pillar of smoke, pierced with volcanic flames rose from the destroyed command centre, the shockwave of its demise rippling outwards for kilometres as though an angry god had just smote the earth.
The Magma bomb bombadment in progress. I'd guess at least two more probably three salvoes, each composed of at least 4 bombs apiece. So upwards of eight or more probably twelve launched. In terms of yield they don't seem to do much, a 10m wide, 100 m diameter crater is not huge (kiloton range or less) as far as penetration.



Page 221
The message had been genuine then, and Uriel closed his eyes, offering a prayer of thanks and blessing upon the courageous servant of the Emperor who had managed to get the co-ordinates of the defence control centre to them, thus sealing its fate.
Uriel showing respect for human sacrifice once again.


Page 221
Lord Admiral Tiberius had wanted to level the entire palace with orbital bombardment, but Uriel had resisted such a plan, knowing that the vast forces the Vae Victus could unleash would level everything within fifty kilometres of the palace. The greatly reduced yield on the magma bombs had struck with precisely the correct force, and though there was certain to be some collateral casualties, Uriel hoped that that they had been kept to a minimum.
A (single?) bombardment cannon salvo could level everything within 50 km of the palace (whose size itself is unknown). But magma bomb salvo was reduced yield (variable yield bombs!) If we assume the bombs behave like conventional nukes, and its a single blast, it could be upwards of 400 megaons for the salvo. If we are talking about multiple shells (say 12) each would be within a 14 km radius, and each bomb would be 'merely' 7-8 megatons yield - assuming zero overlap . The actual value I imagine might fall somewhere between those two, and it doesnt include however big the palace itself is.

If the effects are more thermal, then of course the yields might be greater. For example melting a 100 km diameter area to a depth of one metre, assuming rock would require something on the order of 8 gigatons to melt.


Page 221
They were here to save these people, not destroy them. Leave such simpleminded butchery for the likes of the Blood Angels or Marines Malevolent. The Ultramarines were not indiscriminate killers, they were the divine instrument of the Emperor’s wrath. The protection of his subjects was their reason for existing.

Too many of those who fought to protect the Imperium forgot that it was a living thing, made up of the billions of people that inhabited the Emperor’s worlds. \

Without them, the Imperium was nothing. With the Emperor to bind them, they were the glue that held His realm together and Uriel would have no part in their deliberate murder.
Quite simply I cannot get neough of passages where a Space Marine, any Marine, is willing to think in those terms about supposedly 'lesser' mortals. I'll give it to GRaham McNeill, he does write compelling defenders of humanity.


Page 222
Blood dripped from the corner of his mouth and the ivory coloured tooth he held before him.

He hurried to the cell door working the “tooth” deep within the lock and checking for any guards.
...
The governor ducked down as the compact explosive that had been secreted inside Barzano’s false tooth erupted, blasting the lock-plate of the cell door across the corridor. The door itself didn’t move, pressed tightly into its frame by the lowering ceiling.
Tooth explosive blasts out locking mechanism, and may have blown out the door had it not been wedged in there. Must be some damn powerufl explosive! Possibly a shaped charge though.


Page 223
His wound throbbed painfully and the dressing was leaking blood, but he didn’t have time to spare to redress it.
BArzano's shoulder lasburn is leaking blood. Not cauterized.


Page 223
He heard fresh shouts behind him and dropped to his knees as a flurry of blasts vaporised the rock walls beside him.
Lasbolts 'vaporise' rock. Less seirously, it would probably only be a couple kilojoules or less (EG mechanical 'blaster' types) but given the implied thermal mechanism for many lasweapons actual vaporizaiton is possible. WE dont know how MUCH was vaporized though. At the very least one would assume a crater diameter equal to the diameter of the bolt itself, which could be as small as 5 mm (from the Ghosts novels) to several cm (for a good many other sources - Dawn of War, Last Chancers, Cadian Blood, etc.) a 5 mm diameter 'hole' would probably only stll vaporize a few kj worth of material, but a few cm diameter hole could easily be worth tens of kj (50-60 kj is what I get for ~2 cm diamter hole.)


Page 223
It slammed open and he rolled through onto his back, grunting as the wound on his shoulder reopened.
Again Barzano's wound seems to be more than just a lasburn.



Page 224
“Call in a limited strike from the Vae Victus, blow a hole in their line and fight through the gap.”

Uriel considered the possibility of an orbital strike. It was tempting, but unrealistic.

“No. If the targeting surveyors are even a fraction out, we could find ourselves the target or if the yield is too high, the entire prison complex might be buried beneath hundreds of tonnes of rubble.”
high orbit bombardment form Vae Victus again considered. This could indicate that the main limitation in bombardment and accuracy is more a matter of the precision of lining up the guns. One imagines that even with 'limited' strikes of even 'only' kilotons or megatons, that much energy is hard to align properly, and at long distances (tens or hundreds of thousands of km) slight deviations can be devastating. It doesn't mean bombardment from beyond low orbit (or even high altitude) is impossible, it just trades accuracy and higher probability of error for 'safety'. Considering that weapons like the bombardment cannon are in fact oftne in either massive turrets or (in the case of Vae Victus) a spinal mount may only compound this, and I suspect broadside weapons or lances are not any better.



Page 225
His auto-senses fought to pierce the obscuring fog of the blind grenades, the bright flashes up ahead the only clue to the distance left to cover.
The PDF are using blind grenades.



Page 226
One hundred and fifty paces.

Throughout the smoke he could make out the blurred shapes of his warriors, weapons spitting fire towards the rebel line.

One hundred paces.
..
The smoke was thinning and he could see he were less than a hundred metres from the bunkers.
Ultramarines returning fire with bolters and bolt pistols from over 100 metres away. 'paces' suggests its greater than the .75-1 metre 'pace' defintion, probably mor towards 1.5 m which would suggest a range of around 150-225 m. This would coincide with bolt pistol ranges from both 'Angels of Darkness' and 'Space Wolf.



Page 225
Another impacted on his power sword, the shell blasting the blade from the hilt in a shower of sparks
...
The hilt bore only a short, broken length of blade, the intricate traceries that contained the war-spirit within shattered and broken. His
Heavy bolter round shatters Uriel's power sword blade.



Page 226
A lasbolt struck him square in the chest. Uriel staggered, but did not fall, the eagle at the centre of his breastplate running molten.
Lasbolt melts the center of Uriel's breastplate. Assuming a 10x10 cm area melted, to a depth of 1 mm, and either iron or silicon, we get 23 grams (for silicion) or 79 grams (iron). MElting at that depth would be ~95 kj for iron and 46 kj for silicon.


Page 228
Instinctively, the attackers fired. Lasbolts blasted Chanda’s ravaged body, punching through him into the men beneath.
Lasgun bolts overpenetrate human body and strike bodies beneath. Figure at least a few kj to overpenetrate one body (2-5 kj maybe) and maybe half that for the body underneath to injure or kill. More probably at least 5-10 kj depending on depth and such (blasting through one body and deep enough to injure another.)


Page 229
A hail of dark needles fired in an expanding cone, shredding the closest guards and killing them instantly. The guards behind were not so fortunate and the venomtipped needles flooded their bloodstreams with lethal alien toxins.
Dark Eldar splinter weapons it seem can have shotgun like 'wide area' effects.


Page 231
The Thunderhawk roared upwards, chased by a few hastily converted shuttlegunships and ornithopters. Designed to strafe slow moving ground targets, they were out of their element against the Space Marine craft and, after losing seven of their number, pulled back.
Pavonis gunship/helicopter analgoues, seem to be designed primarily for ground attack roles. PDF issue?



Page 232
“What I would suggest is that you send a coded communication to Macragge and have a battle-barge armed with cyclonic torpedoes despatched to Pavonis.”

Uriel slammed his fist down on the table.

“No!” he stated forcefully, “I will not have it. We came here to save these people, not to destroy them.”
...
“What are cyclonic torpedoes?”
“Planet killers,” answered Uriel. “They will burn the atmosphere of Pavonis away in a storm of fire, scouring the surface bare until there is nothing left alive. The seas will boil to vapour and your world will become a barren rock, wreathed in the ashes of your people.”
..
“It is not our duty to kill innocent people,” pointed out Uriel.

“Our duty is to save as many lives as we can,” countered Barzano. “If we do nothing and de Valtos succeeds in retrieving the alien ship, many more worlds will die. I do not make this decision lightly, Uriel, but I must rely on cold logic and the Emperor to guide me.”

“I cannot believe this is the Emperor’s will.”
Cyclonic torpedoes. Atmosphere removal and ocean vaporization suggest at least e27 joules for an earthlike planet, although if the water saturates the atmosphere, we're probably talking closer to e29 joules at least.

What is also interesting bout this is that Barzano and Uriel are convinced that they have to send away for a battle barge to do this (a strike cruiser apparently could not carry the required munitions). Nor could the Vae Victus do this with her own weapons. considering from earlier sources we know PAvonis is weeks away from Ultramar, we might imply a similar timeframe here, and that the Vae Victus could not deliver comparable firepower within that timeframe. Whether a lower yield could achieve these effects or mere 'mass extinction' is the issue (if not actually penetrating into the crust for deep destruction, which cyclonics are noted for.) we don't know.

Of course we also have that 'continent cracking' bit from earlier, which could modify the limit somewhat.

Also again we see Uriel totally unwilling to cast away lives if he can save them. I think the part I like best about this is that while Uriel is opposed to the idea, it's not written in a way to make Uriel instantly right and Barzano seem like a villain for suggesting it. Barzano has legitimate reasons for the action, horrific as it seems, and he actually despises being forced to that action. But letting the C'tan awaken and retrieve his starship would be worse still.



Page 233
Barzano turned to face Shonai and said, “Believe me, Mykola, I am not some heartless monster and I do not believe the death of even a single world to be of no import. Were there another way, I would gladly choose it. I have never been forced to destroy a world before, and if I could stop de Valtos any other way, I would.”
Again we can believe that. Barzano is one of those good Inquisitors we can like because he is still a noble and decent man who may be forced to do horrible things to achieve a greater goal. Not unlike Eisenhorn, Ravenor, or Liegeia from Gray Knights. Indeed Barzano is very much an Inquisitor in the Ligeia vein, which is really a good thing.



PAge 234
“How deep do these bore mines go?” he asked.

“It varies,” replied Shonai, “but the deepest are perhaps ten thousand metres, while others are around three or four thousand. It depends on the seam that is being mined and how deep it’s economically viable to continue drilling.”

“Then we find out which of the mines are owned by the de Valtos cartel and bombard them all into oblivion from orbit,”
Mine depths.. it shows the depths to which Mining in the Imperium can extend in the crust of a planet. Considering that many worlds (forge, the older hives, etc.) tap out the available matierals in their crusts within hundreds or thousands of years. and depth wise we're talking a good 1/4 to 1/10th of the crust that is... impressive.


Page 234
His breathing slowed, his eyelids fluttering as he culled facts, figures and statistics from the wealth of information he and his scribes had gathered during their researches.

Uriel watched as the old man’s eyes flickered rapidly from side to side as though reading information flashing past on the inside of his eyelids, noticing for the first time the tiny glint of metal behind his ear. The old man had been fitted with cybernetic implants, presumably something similar to those of a lexmechanic or savant servitor.
Mentat mode!



Page 234
"All produce mineral ore to be refined into processed steel for tank chassis and gun barrels..."
Pavonis-made tanks use steel at least partly in the consturction of hulls and barrels. Whether it is all steel, or other mateirals are used (and what those are) is up for debate. But we do know that Pavonis-built vehicles are considred lower grade forge world knockoffs so...



PAge 234
“We have the location and can attack without resorting to genocide.”

“Im afraid that this changes nothing, Captain Ventris,” said Tiberius softly.

“Why not?”

“Even at full yield on our bombardment cannon, the magma bombs will not be able to penetrate that far into the planet’s crust.”
An interesting limitation, depending on interprtation. The most literal one of course, is that the Vae Victus simply lacks the firepower to reach kilometres deep (10 km deep in this case) into the crust with ANY of its weapons, and in the context of a sustained bombardment. This is... iffy, given that we already had mention in previous that the Vae Victus had the ability to demolish cityies and crack continents, nevermind the 'unleash full forces' of the bombardment cannon capable of levelling 100 km diameter of city/surface. Even in the context of sustained bombardment, continental level destruction suggests they should be able to reach the facility.

An alternate interpretaiton lies in the context of penetration and ''full-yield' - this again implies that the bombardment cannon is variable yield, but whether it is speaking of the magma bombs yield (in this context) or the bombardment cannon itself (how fast it fires or how heavy a shell it ifres?), but the likely interpretation is that its talking about a full power dischrage of the bombardment cannon (not the magma bomb's own yield.) and how deep it can reach before exploding. This is also purely in context of the bombardment cannon as well, so it doesn't really discuss starship ifrepower per se (although it implies the regular cannon armaments don't have that penetration ability either. Or if they do it is too devastating to use safely in conventional bombardment roles.)

This is not without its own problems - being less literal and more complicated an interpretation, it is a less perfect 'fit' with the scene itself, but it may also fit with other evidence (depending on the evidence you use) better. The reason WHY they don't ever consider the conventional armament is also a problem - either becuase it isnt as powerful as the bombardment cannon (possible), or because it is too powerful (also possible, but that runs into problems with the 'biggest guns' comment mentioned earlier.)

Further complicating are several other factors. First, they don't want to cause widespread destruction and loss of life on the planet - Uriel has alreay made it clear that killing large numbers of people is not something he wants to do, although whether that applies here (in context to Tiberius' comments) is up for debate. Damage mechanism is relevant also - more 'nuke like' bombs would not need as much energy as somethign more 'heat-ray-ish' for penetration (see earlier comments WRT Vae Victus destructive capability.)

A third possibility (although still an essential unknown) is that at this point they're running low on ammo for ground bombardment - assuming space and ground munitions are different (they may or may not be.) or may just be short on ammo period, although if this were an issue you would think Tiberius would bring it up. It's also possible that the initial damage from the first DE attack early in the book (the lance strike that knocked out the bombardment cannon) weakened its capability, but that still wouldn't explain much in context. Yet another possibility is that its a codex issue - you only use bombardment cannon (or perhaps torpedoes, as assault on black Reach indicates) for bombardment, but that's not a certainty either (again asault on black reach, although that had its share of Sicarius going 'non-codex' as well, amusingly enough.)

In any case if even some of the qualifiers I outline above apply, this scene could still put some (broad) limits on firepower in the same way the 'Cyclonic torpedo' reference does (EG a single shot in this context probably isn't enough to blast through the crust of the planet even allowing for thermal effects.) I imagine this will become one of those 'contested firepower' quotes (firepower numbers being argued over? SHOCKING!) and will be argued both ways. And I think most can guess where my opinion lies. :mrgreen:



Page 235
He slid behind the angled rockcrete barricade and ejected the spent drum magazine from the heavy stubber, slotting another one home and racking the slide.

Ortega swung the ponderous weapon back up onto the barricade as another rush of troops came at them, bracing the heavy stock hard into his shoulder and pulling the trigger. A metre long tongue of flame blasted from the perforated barrel and a deafening roaring ripped the air as hundreds of high velocity bullets churned the first wave of attackers to shredded corpses. The vibration of the gun’s fire was almost too much for Ortega, his muscles straining to keep the gun steady. With such firepower, it wasn’t so much a question of accuracy, but of ammunition capacity; the stubber could empty its magazine in a matter of seconds.
another case of a man-portable heavy stubber. Heck this probably predates the Siege of Vraks stuff (maybe it influenced it?). It is highly unlikely this stubber is '50 cal' simply by the virtue of it being man portable and the rate of fire implied (hundreds of rounds in seconds, esp a drum magazine.) At most we're looking at something in the M60-style range probably.



Page 235
Of the twenty-seven judges he’d pulled from the disaster at the precinct house, eighteen were still alive.
Lower limit on the number of Judges in the precinct in question on Pavonis. I'd estimate the actual number for that precinct was not larger than say an order of magnitude, and probably a hundred or so tops is more likely. How consistent this is with others is up for debate. That would be roughly consistent with fortress-precinct sizes (for arbitrators at least) in Dark Heresy: AScension, although book of judgement makes it clear therea re no definite standards on size (precincts can range from hundreds/thousands to just a dozen man team. sometimes less.)



Page 236
..a wheeled gurney with a linked pair of autocannons fitted to a circular pintel mount. Ortega grinned. The weapon was designed to be mounted on a vehicle of some kind, possibly a Sentinel, and was far too heavy to be carried by a man.
Heavy support weapon. Heavier than a stubber.



Page 236
Stuttering blasts of gunfire ricocheted from the walls, and Ortega pulled a judge down from the barricade as he slumped over, half his head blown away.
We dont know the weapon in this case, but the only small arm mentioned is lasweapons (they don't mention or bring down anything heavier thats mentioned, at least, although we know earlier they had bipod mounted autoguns.) The difference is probably academic unless it was a man portable heavy weapon (like a heavy stubber or autocannon, which is debatable) since we know from most sources that lasguns can match auto and stubber weapons for effect anyhow.

If its a lasweapon, it might be only single/double digit kj for mechanical damage. Burns might, depending on area affected add 10-20+ kj for third degree burns (for example.) If second degree (implied by Barzano's own wound earlier) we might figure half or a third that. Of course if we're dealing with more thermal effects (heat ray or cauterization/boiling effects) the yield could go much higher. Assuming boiling point for half the head (call it 2 kg) we'd get around 500 kj.



Page 237
...sweeping up the heavy stubber once more. He braced himself and squeezed the trigger, his entire body quaking with the powerful recoil.
...
Heavy calibre shells ripped through the ranks of the PDF and a dozen men dropped, their thin flak vests unable to stop such powerful bullets.
'thin flak' on PDF troops unable to stop the heavy stubber rounds. IF these are a full power round (like 7.62mm NATO or what the Vraks heavy stubber is) this may reflect the variable quality of flak, or it may reflect the difference in protective qualities between the flexible armor (Implied in storm of iron) and the rigid plates (EG: Straight silver.) Or it may reflect the difference between guard and PDF gear. A (faint) third possibility is that it means the round is more powerful than a full power MG cartridge (but less so than .50 cal still.) although I wouldn't say this is the likely conclusion.



Page 242
A missile lanced out and struck Sergeant Nivaneus, a veteran of the Thracian campaign, disintegrating his upper body in a burst of crimson. Autocannon fire sprayed a group of Space Marines from Sergeant Elerna’s squad. Four went down; only two got back up.

One of the survivors had lost his right arm, but continued upwards..
Misisle does lascannon-scale damage to Astartes Sergeant. Assuming a 50x50cm to 1x1 m torso, and 400 j per sq cm 'flaying' flash burns we're talking between 1 MJ and 4 MJ at least, not including what happens to the armour. Probably several times that easily with the armour, given we know Astartes armour can easily shrug off point blank grenades (Chains of Command) and we've seen the effects of grenades in various sources.

Autocannon fire of unknown caliber eand quantity again downing marines, although ti seems like its not a definite. Whether its because the autocannon are just on the threshold for ability to reliably penetrate or not, or circumstances (glancing vs direct hits, range, etc.) we don't know.



Page 243
The boy’s head exploded, showering Bextor with blood and brains...
Yes, thats a bolt round again. Headsplosion calc!



Page 244-245
The chamber of the god was far smaller than Kasimir de Valtos had imagined, but the sense of power it contained was enormous. Its walls sloped inwards to a golden point above the chamber’s exact centre, where a rectangular oblong of smooth black obsidian rested, magnificent in its solitude. The base of each wall was lined with rectangular alcoves, each containing a skeletal figure, identical to those his workers had pulled from the outer chamber of the tomb complex some months ago.
...
The skeletal warrior within was as lifeless as the ones back at his house, its sheen dulled with a verdigris stain. Unlike the ones in his possession, these carried bizarre looking rifles...
...
It [sarcophagus] was enormous, fully five metres on its long edge, and as he drew nearer he saw that its surface was not smooth at all, but inscribed with runic symbols and pitted with precisely shaped indentations.
The Nightbringer's 'tomb'. In early context of course the C'tan were the rulers, but now they're the slaves. I find it hard not to think of this as being some attempt at 'containing' one of the shards - perhaps an attempt that was interrupted as described earlier in that novel, which allowed this one to break free or remain unbound somehow. Alternately, perhaps it is some sort of Necron Lord who is insane and has assumed the identity of Nightbringer? Something like the Undying One from the Word Bearers trilogy?

The one thing that strikes me is that if this were a genuine C'tan (or Necron Lord for that matter) tomb, it would be better defended and more extensive. That could be McNeill Scaling in effect, but this at least just 'feels' more appropriate for a small tomb that failed (not unlike the one in Hand of Corruption.)

An even more interesting possibility - is Pavonis some sort of tomb world, and does that mean there might be other/more Necrons belowground that noone knows of?



Page 246
The sergeant propped himself against the barricade, firing a heavy bolter, though the recoil caused him to grunt in pain with each shot.
Man portable heavy bolter. That it can be fired while propped is more believable for a higher calibre (25mm IIRC) weapon, although as I recall they usually are to bulky to be carried. Then again the same was said of autocannons and heavy stubbers and we know of man portable autocannons and this book has a man portable HS. So why not a HB?

In any case it still has recoil, making this yet another bolt weapon exhibiting recoil.


Page 246
Ortega’s left arm hung uselessly at his side, a lasbolt having all but severed it at the elbow.
Lasbolt almost severs a limb. That suggests it may have punched through bone and sinew, which I'd guess could be done with around 5-10 KJ fo ra single pulse. More pulses means the yield could go down a bit, but the entire arm being almost severed has to be accounted for too, but its not a big difference (single digit kj)

The alternate way is to assume a .5-2 cmx10 cm area flayed (400 j per sq cm) on both sides (or all around?) the arm. 2-8 kj for one side, twice that for front and back.. Circumference (15-60 sq cm roughly if I did it right) would be between 6 and 24 kj.

If we just go with second (20 j per sq cm) or third (50 j per sq cm) burns, I'd asume it affects both sides of the arm (10 cm diameter surface area) I'd figure ~3-10 kj roughly, depending on exact burn severity and area effected.

And if the volume was boiled along that volume? we're talking between 40 and 160 grams at least for a "slice' of the arm (like flaying) but up to several kg for a more spherical volume. Assuming 268 kj per kg we might get between 10-40 kj for the first, and 500-800 kj for the second.



Page 247
Flashes of lasgun fire snapped around him, a round clipping his thigh. He yelled in pain as another bolt took him high in the back...
...
He crawled towards the vox-caster, trailing a lake of blood from his ruptured body.
...
Another lasbolt struck him in the back.

He wrapped his arms around the vox-caster as a flurry of lasgun shots blasted through his armour and ripped him apart.
Another interesting scene. While not precisely 'explosive' it does suggest the lasfire - if it does burn, is not cauterizing in this case (unlike with Sharbon earlier) the same way barzano's wound was not much catuerized. This might suggest differneces in setting, lasgun make (although many of these are basically PDF weapons so differences in quality would reflect differences in money invested by the different cartels in the PDF, since the guild fucks pay for the troops upkeep nad equipment.) or just differences in mechanism. Cauterizaiton may be a desirable trait for PDFs interested in wounding and incapacitating (or forcing troops to expend medical resources on troops wounded by lasfire, as hinted at in Emperor's Mercy.) while the lasfire that allows bleeding probably is more important if you just want to kill the guy.

In any case, a 'ruptured' body and being 'ripped apart' by lasfire suggests something on the order of grenade levle damage, or several MJ based on the 'flaying' calcs (4-8 MJ at least) but even wide spread second/third degree burns (side effect) would be worth at least a good 400-500 kj, and probably close to that 'megajoule' range again.

The one hampering factor of course is the number of shots in a relatively short period of time (matter of seconds). One assumes its not a huge number of troops, since a handful of arbites were even able to hold out til the end.. maybe a couple squads or a platoon at most simultaneously. ASsuming several hundred to several thousand lasgun shots based on that, we're probably looking at single/double digit kj per 'shot', although for obvious reasons this is far from a precise calc.


Page 249-250
“You can’t be serious, Uriel, that shaft’s nearly ten kilometres deep. It’s far too deep to use ropes.”
...
“We shall use these,” said Uriel snapping one of the units from a rope. It resembled a plain cylinder of metal with a textured hand grip on its outside surface and a wide, toothed groove cut vertically along its length.
...
The device fitted snugly into Uriel’s palm and as he clenched his fist the “teeth” in the central groove snapped back inside the cylinder. As he released his grip, they clamped back into the groove.

“We use these for high-speed drops where we cannot use jump packs. We shall attach them to the lifting gear cables and drop along their length into the mine, achieving surprise on any defenders below.”

“You’ll drop, one-handed, for ten thousand metres?”
...
"I calculate it will take us almost five minutes to drop the ten kilometres to the bottom of the mine."
Stormtrooper-like jump pack alternative. Speed estimated at an average of ~34 m/s.

Also mention again of the depth of the shaft being clarified. the Necron 'tomb' is 10 km belowground, which is a nice corroboration with all the other sources we've had (EG Hand of Corruption, the Word Bearer trilogy, Caves of Ice, etc.) although its not quite as extensive as some tombs (like Hellforged.)

One must also bear in mind how this applies to the context of the Vae Victus' bombardment cannon as well, as already discussed.


Page 254
He voxed a swift acknowledgement to Barzano on the surface..
10 km comms range between Urieal and Barzano.


Page 256-257
Swathed in rotted robes, it rose up from its tomb, the solid stone unravelling atom by atom and reshaping itself in a swirling black shroud.

More and more of the black stone disintegrated to form the concealing darkness of the creature. Soon all that was left was the slab of the tomb with the final piece of the metal burning brightly in its surface.

Uriel had a barely perceived vision of a gaunt, mouldering face with twin pits of yellow glowing weakly from within. There was insanity and a raging, unquenchable thirst for suffering in those eyes. A cloak of ghostly darkness hid its true form, a pair of rotted, bandage-swathed arms reaching from its nebulous outline. One limb ended in long, grave-dirt encrusted talons, the other in what appeared to be a huge blade of unnatural darkness, angled like a vast scythe.

As the creature rose to its full height, Uriel saw that it towered above the mortals beneath it; swirling eddies of darkness at its base snaking around the bodies of those not quick enough to escape its grasp.

The cloak of darkness swept two of the alien warriors up. The scythe arm flashed, passing through their armour and bodies with ease, and their withered corpses dropped, no more than shrivelled sacks of bone.
The Nightbringer. Of particular note is the 'amorphous' nature of parts of it- forming from the matter of the tomb seemingly, its 'darkness' its cloak, etc.. which again echoes qualities of the 'Undying' Whether this is a true, unbound/unbroken nightbringer, a mere shard of unknown power, or a Necron Lord Imposter it isn't quite obvious.

It is also quite a bit taller than even the Astartes. Given the mention of 5 metres tall, thats unsuprising.


Page 257
The alabaster figures with the copper staffs took their place at their master’s side, their perfect faces devoid of life and animation.
Whateve rthe creature is, the necrons in this tomb are under its control. They fight the intruders, although part of me wants to think they started out



Page 258
..he spun to face the metal skeleton he had just felled, the metal of its body re-knitting even as he watched.
..
..Uriel pounded the machine to fragments beneath his boot lest it somehow manage to regenerate once more.
...
Space Marines grappled with the metallic skeletons and were, for the most part winning, smashing them to the ground and blasting them apart with bolter fire. Sergeant Learchus tore one apart with his bare hands, smashing its skull to destruction against the floor.

But many of the deathly creatures simply picked themselves up once more, untroubled by wounds that would have killed a man twice over.
Necron combat ability and durability. They aren't as strong or tough as Astartes - tougher than normal humans, but not Astartes grade - at least these guys aren't. Why this is is up for debate, but its worth noting. On the other hand, they seem as resilient as most Necrons (moreso than some, like the hellforged ones.) They regenerate having their legs hacked through (The first one Uriel felled), being blown apart or torn apart, etc.

There also apparently aren't many around, as the Astartes + Dark Eldar manage to beat them all without being wiped out, suggesting scores or hundreds at best. Again you think a C'tan would have a bigger guard.



Page 260
The violence around him felt truly intoxicating. He could feel the combined hatred and aggression of the enemies flaring bright and succulent, filling him, making him stronger. So pleasing to have such things to feast upon rather than the cold, tasteless energies that had sustained its form these millions of years.

Kasimir de Valtos blinked in puzzlement. Millions of years? Where had that thought come from? Suddenly he realised that the sensations flooding through him, the fear, the anger, the terror were not his own, but borrowed from the alien creature before him. Anger filled him as he realised he had been nothing more than a conduit for emotions that this being had forgotten over the passage of aeons it had spent locked away from the sight of man.
It seems that even being entombed cannot completely imprison a C'tan (or whatever it is). Or at least, it didn't this one. Not surprising - the Dragon on Mars, the Outsider, etc. all are similar examples of the such entities reaching out with thier minds and influencing living beings. In this case, living and acting through Valtos like a puppet. Ha Ha.


Page 264
...the connection to its star-killing vessel was severed, stranding it once more in the haunted depths of the immaterium.
Nightbringer's ship was straneded in the warp, which again begs the question of how/why it appeared there. We know from the beginning of the book that the star fucked with the inertialess engines and it got sucked out of realspace. We know this wasn't a deliberate trap by the alien ships (EG they didn't cast it into the warp, since they got sucked in as well.) This means that the Necron's Starship had some form of warp drive (which would fit with the star fucking things up- we know warp drive is vulnerable to that sort of thing), or at leats some sort of inter-dimensional drive similar to warp - a more evolved sort of tau Ether Drive perhaps? That may explain its origins.

It does seem odd that the C'tan (or Necrons) would have some sort of drive that plays on the warp in any form, but that's not impossible. And before anyone mentions 5th edition's retcon and not having any FTL/warp drive , I'll note that this is a C'tan having some sort of FTL, not the Necrons themselves, and this is for all intents and purposes an isolated event. It just shows that Necrons still can/do have access to some form of FTL - but like with all the other examples (Dark Creed, Hellforged, GK Codex, etc.) it is not 'common' (EG Hammer and Anvil.)

They also seemed confident they could enter the warp closer to a star than virutally all imperial vessels, which again reflects Necron technology (if it was warp drive at least.)



Page 264
He snatched at his grenade dispenser..
Grenade dispenser again.


Page 264-265
Time for another spoilerized quote because I dont want to ruin the climax of wht is essentially a good book with a good ending, like GK!

[spoiler='don't reveal the great ending to Nightbringer!']
As the Nightbringer swept towards him, he held up the glowing metal, showing the hideous alien what he had fixed to its surface.

Uriel doubted the Nightbringer had any concept of what a melta bomb was, but somehow he knew that it would understand what it could do.
...
Uriel laughed in its face, feeling the alien’s terrible power pressing in on his skull. Visions of death tore at Uriel’s mind, but held no terror for a warrior of the Emperor. He could feel the creature’s consternation at his resistance.
...
...Uriel moved his free hand to hover over the detonation rune. He smiled, despite the pain and tormented visions in his head.
...
Uriel could feel its power and anger as a physical thing pressing in around him, but he could also sense something else.

Unease? Doubt?
...
...he knew that despite the carnage it had wreaked, it was but a fraction of its true power. It was still so very weak and needed to feed. Uriel knew that every second that passed granted the Nightbringer fresh power as it fed on the strong life energies blazing in this place.

This was as close a chance as he was going to get to defeat the alien.
...
"I will destroy us all before I allow you to have that vessel.”

The pressure on his mind intensified and Uriel weakened his mental barrier, allowing the alien to see his unshakeable resolve.
Uriel has had some good quotes throughout this whole book, but this one really tops everything. And it really stands out, like Gray Knights, as one of the BEST confrontations/endings for a Space Marine novel. The idea that it's not the killtastic physical abilities of the Marine, but their resolve, their loyalty, their duty to humanity, that refusal to give up that truly gives them victory. Here we have an even more killtastic alien star god, something old and unfathomable that could murder Uriel without breaking a sweat, and Uriel has him at an impasse.

Just the way he's laughing at it is just so damn.. awesome. What makes it even greater is that - agian like Gray Knights - it is the actions/sacrifice of an Inquisitor - Barzano in this case - as well as the actions of an Astartes that lead to the defeat of the great unfathomable horror. And its Uriel seeing that moment that this whole novel is building up to.. it really just comes off in a way that Storm of Iron never quite managed.

Anyhow on a more technical note: The device is clearly important. As powerful as the Nightbringer is, his ship is vastly more powerful and necessity to him being a galactic danger again - at least in any short term. Long term is up for debate, but again the nature of the entity is also up for debate. We know here that the C'tan is an energy sponge even now, and its low on juice (and if it were trapped here it might even die, so there are ways to kill them it seems. At least at its current state it couldn't have dug out of 10 km worth of rock.)

The metal device seems to be some sort of super duper power transfer or comms signal or key or whatever with the ability to communicate into the warp - FTL comms. Also Uriel's grenade dispenser has (very compact) meltabombs as well as frag and krak munitions it seems.[/spoiler]



PAge 267
Three months later…
Time passing post climactic confrontation.

Page 268-269
Another spoiler! Spoiler
A simple headstone marked the final resting place of Inquisitor Ario Barzano. Beneath his name, a short inscription was engraved in a flowing script:

Each man is a spark in the darkness.
Would that we all burn as bright.

Uriel had carved it himself; he hoped that Barzano would have approved.
...

“I did mean to come here before now,” explained Shonai, staring at the grave, “but I was never sure quite what I would feel if I did.”
“In what way?”
“I owe my world’s survival to you and Ario, but had things been different, he would have destroyed Pavonis and killed everything I hold dear.”
“Yes, but he did not. He gave his life in defence of you and your world. Remember him for that.”
“I do. That is why I came here today. I honour his memory and I will ensure that he will be forever known as a Hero of Pavonis.”
“I think he’d enjoy that,” chuckled Uriel. “It would appeal to his colossal vanity.”
Barzano obviously dies in his duties, which again initiates a sort of Gray Knights like deja vu feeling. Like Alaric Uriel does his best to do honor to someone whose actions, along with his own, saved people's lives from an unknowable horror, even with a dreadful cost. It really fits in with the ideas Uriel promotes, as well as the ideas/themes of the book itself. Its just an appropriate, fitting part to the rest of the story, and why it makes this book as good as Gray Knights.

It goes withotu saying that this is a better showing of 'Scions of Gulliman' than anything we hear about in 5th edition, and promotes the idea that the Ultramarines are actually something grand and admirable.

Page 269
At the recommendation of Lortuen Perjed, the Administratum had permitted Shonai to remain as governor of Pavonis, on condition that at the end of her contract of service, she never again stand for political office. Lortuen Perjed was appointed permanent Administratum observer to Pavonis, replacing the criminally negligent Ballion Varle...
...
The future of Pavonis had been assured, but it would no longer be under the autonomous regime of the cartels. The governmental system of Pavonis had been found lacking and would now fall under the watchful gaze of the Administratum.
Pavonis is now more under direct administratum control, rather than truly independent, suggesting there is sharper distinctions (or at least degrees of control) amongst planets in the Imperium.


PAge 271 Spoiler
Seventy thousand light years away, the star known to Imperial stellar cartographers as Cydo entered the final stages of its existence. It was a red giant of some ninety million kilometres diameter and had burned for over eight hundred million years.

Had it not been for the billowing black shape floating impossibly in the star’s photosphere and draining the last of its massive energies, it would probably have continued to do so for perhaps another two thousand.

Normally, it generated energy at a colossal rate by burning hydrogen to helium in nuclear fusion reactions deep in its heart, but its core was no longer able to sustain the massive forces that burned within.
...
The Nightbringer fed and grew strong again in the depths of the dying star.
The Nightbringer made 70K LY within 3 months (280,000c), without a starship and apparently carrying off the remains of his minions. This might explain that the 'across the galaxy in the blink of an eye' comment people lament the loss of from 3rd edition Necrons vs 5th edition could be attributed to the C'Tan in some way - if the ability to travel rapidly through the galaxy were tied into manipulating the fundamental forces in some way (like time, etc.) the Necrons may not be able to do it as precisely (or fix the damage as easily) as the C'tan at full power could, meaning that FTL is rarer and less reliable for them than for the C'tan. It might also explain why acccessing the webway was such a big deal - same effects but with fewer consequences for realspace.

This could also mesh with the ability of Flayers to seemingly teleport around the galaxy at will as well.

Also the C'tan can survive close proximity to a star and feed on it. Presuambly its sucking the heat out of the star in truth, given the 'inability to sustain fusion reactions' bit.
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Re: Ultramarines novels analaysis/discussion thread

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Connor MacLeod wrote:Page 221
They were here to save these people, not destroy them. Leave such simpleminded butchery for the likes of the Blood Angels or Marines Malevolent. The Ultramarines were not indiscriminate killers, they were the divine instrument of the Emperor’s wrath. The protection of his subjects was their reason for existing.

Too many of those who fought to protect the Imperium forgot that it was a living thing, made up of the billions of people that inhabited the Emperor’s worlds. \

Without them, the Imperium was nothing. With the Emperor to bind them, they were the glue that held His realm together and Uriel would have no part in their deliberate murder.
Quite simply I cannot get neough of passages where a Space Marine, any Marine, is willing to think in those terms about supposedly 'lesser' mortals. I'll give it to GRaham McNeill, he does write compelling defenders of humanity.
Although Ventris comes off as a bit of a bigoted tosser here, since by all accounts the BAs wouldn't just slaughter everyone. Nor would most of their successor Chapters for that matter, including the Flesh Tearers.
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I'm just going to blow through Warriors of Ultramar (and DSBS) because they're not as good parts of the Smurf series. Its not to say Warriors of Ultramar is a bad novel, its just that its value depends on what you're reading for. Compared with the last novel its more 'traditionally' Space MArine, in the sense they're fighting in context of a larger scale war, seeking to defend a planet against the Tyranids, and that occupies a fair chunk of the story (aside from a few subplots involving Graham McNeill tie ins like Snowdog).

That isn't to say there aren't memorable characters - there are some, and this is still a step on the journey of Uriel Ventris' character development. He has to put himself in a position to decide whether his Ultramarines principles matter more, or his perceived duty to those he defends. He's also faced with (yet again) different perspectives which provide challenges to his Ultramarines POV, both in the Mortifactors and in the form of Inquisitor Kryptman, who is a different face ot the Inquisition compared to Barazano from the previous book.

you also see a Death Korps of Krieg depiction before Forgeworld got their mitts on them.

Three updates. I should note that I'm pulling these stories strictly from the Omnibus, wheraes other sources (like the Ghosts) are separate novels. Chalk it up to my bizarre approach to novel acquisition in the past, so we start out in the hundreds :P



Page 279-280
In appearance, it resembled some vast mountain range cast adrift in the void of space. The Imperium’s finest tech-priests and adepts had come together to create this orbiting fortress: the Basilica was a marvel of arcane technical engineering that had long since been forgotten.
..
At full occupation, the monastery was home to the thousand battle-brothers of the Chapter and their officers, with a supporting staff of servitors, scribes, technomats and functionaries that numbered seven and a half thousand souls.

Vast docks jutted from the prow of the adamantium mountain, spearing into space with slender silver docking rings rising from the jib. Two heavily armed Space Marine strike cruisers were berthed in the docks, with smaller, Gladius frigates and Hunter destroyers either returning or departing on patrol throughout the Mortifactors’ domain. Battle barges, devastating warships of phenomenal power, were housed in armoured bays deep in the bowels of the monastery, terrible weapons of planetary destruction held in their silent hulls.
The Basilica Mortis, fortress-Monastery of the Mortifactors. Does not seem to be as mobiel as some (EG fire Hawks fortress monastery) but is still pretty 'oldtech' like the ones the White Consuls had in Dark Creed.

Also, Battle Barges hold 'terrible weapons of planetary destruction' in their hulls. May refer to weapons or exerminatus devices.


Page 280
Other ships, bearing vast mooring cables, each thicker than an orbital torpedo, flew out to meet the Vae Victus and attached them to secure anchor points as the pilot ships gently approached the portside hull of the Ultramarines vessel. Little more man powerful engines with a tiny servitor compartment bolted to its topside, the pilot ships were used to manoeuvre larger vessels into a position where they could dock.

A dozen of them gently nuzzled the Vae Victus, like tiny, parasitic fish feeding on a vast sea creature, and flared their engines in controlled bursts. At last, their combined force overcame the inertia of the larger ship and, slowly, the Vae Victus eased towards the Basilica Mortis, the thick cables reeling her in and guiding her towards the enormous, claw-like docking clamps that would moor her safely to the fortress monastery.
Pilot ships.


Page 282
In the month since the destruction of the space hulk, Death of Virtue, the ship’s artificers had done their best to repair the damage Uriel’s armour had suffered, replacing his shoulder guard and filling and repainting the deep grooves cut by alien claws. But without the forges of Macragge, it was impossible to completely heal the damage.
The story takes place a month after the short story 'Leviathan'. although why they included Chains of Command but not this one, I don't know. At least its not in my copy.

This also reflects an interesting sort of limitation - onboard facilities of a strike cruiser and quite probably Tarsis Ultra cannot fully repair severe damage to Astartes Power armour. This can be something of a drawbakc performance/protection wise - the suit can operate at less than 100% of course, but the lack of proper facilities does reduce the fighting ability (increase the vulnerability to damage) an ultramarine faces. Sort of a logistical drawback for the Ultramarines.

Also its been a month since Leviathan, and they have just arrived at the Mortifactors home world. Based on the 5th edition Tyranid codex, its way off on the other side of Segmentum Tempestus, whilst Tarsis Ultra is somewhere on the Ultima/tempestus edge - exactly where that is is up for debate, as Mcneill constantly says they are 'half a galaxy away' (relative to what we dont know.) both in Leviathan and this story, but both the 5th edition core rules and Tyranid Codex place Tarsis Ultra around 5-10K LY (as I estimate it) from Ultramar. It also doesn't help that the novel itself implies the Mortifactors were close by, but.. *shrugs* Such seeming contradictions do occur, and I can't really think of a non-arbitrary reason to ignore it :P

In any case, depending on your exact position of Tarsis Ultra I estimate the Smurfs had to travel between 30,000 and 50,000 LY or so, with the codex suggesting 40-50 thousand. In one month that translates to between 360,000 and 600,000c, assuming a straight line course. From this context purely it also means that time dilation was minimal, since they know that approximately a month HAS passed since 'Leviathan'. Indeed the time to travel is perhaps a bit conservative, since it assumes they left right away (no time to repair Uriel's armour, send off warning messages or consult with people, to start preparations for war, etc.)

What's even odder is that in a subsequent short story, 'Consequences' we learn it took 1.5 years 'realspace' and half a month in warp to travel from TArsis Ultra to Ultramar. Go figure.


Page 282
His right arm gleamed silver below the elbow where the tech-priests of Pavonis had replaced it following the confrontation with the ancient star god known as the Nightbringer in the depths of that world. Its monstrous scythe had sliced through his armour and bone, and despite the attentions of Apothecary Selenus, the tissue touched by its glacial chill was beyond saving.
One detail I skipped over in Nightbringer was PAsanius losing his arm. The augmetic becomes something of a plot point in following novels.


Page 283
Central to those foundations was the decree that the tens of thousands strong Space Marine Legions be broken up into smaller fighting units known to this day as Chapters, so that never again would any one man be able to wield the fearsome power of an entire Space Marine Legion.
The conversion from Legions ot Chapters.


Page 286-287
"You quote from the Codex Astartes, sergeant. We have grown beyond the need for such dogma and forge our own path from the wisdom of our Chaplains. To be bound by words set down an age ago is not our way.”

The Ultramarines halted in their tracks, horrified by Astador’s casual blasphemy.

To have the holy writings of Roboute Guilliman dismissed so lightly was something they never expected to hear from the mouth of a fellow Space Marine.
...
“I apologise if my words caused offence, lord admiral. We venerate the primarch, just as you do. He is our Chapter’s father and all our oaths of allegiance are sworn to him and the Emperor.”

“Yet you scorn his greatest work?” snapped Learchus, clenching his fists.

“No, my brother, far from it,” said Astador, moving to stand before Learchus.

“We look upon its words as the foundation of our way of life, but to follow its teachings without consideration for what we have learned and that we see around us is not wisdom, it is merely repetition. Repetition leads to stagnation. And stagnation dooms us.”
Mortifactors view on THE SPIRITUAL LIEGE. It's actually kind of hilarious to be quoting this consideirng how the 5th edition codex suggested things - this (and the Smurfs response) are so.. appropriate. Imagine the idea of a SCION OF GULLIMAN not totally and utterly revering the Codex Astartes OR the Ultramsurfs. HERESY I TELL YOU!

Of course, this is actually quite relevant and important to one of the underlying themes of the Ultramarines novels - we saw that with Idaeus and then with the way Uriel led the Company in Nightbringer, and it becomes an important (even contentious) theme in the book. You really have to give Graham McNeill credit for being willing to portray the smurfs as being unthinking reactionaries in this respect, consideirng they are the 'title chaper' of this story even if Uriel was an exception (in the same way Alaric in Grey Knights was.) The Mortifactors are a foil for the Ultramarines in this book, and the way the two interact, and the results of those interactions, form the core basis of the book and make it something more than your typical 'TYRANID WAR' novel.



Page 287
“Damn it, Learchus,” he whispered. “We are here for their help, not to antagonise them.”

“But you heard what he said about the codex!” protested Learchus.

“Uriel is correct, Learchus,” said Tiberius. “We are all warriors of the Emperor and that is the most important factor. You know there are other Chapters that do not follow the words of the primarch as closely as we do. The sons of Russ follow their own path, and we count them as allies do we not?”

Learchus nodded, though Uriel could see he was not convinced.
The interactions between Learchus and Uriel over this issue. It reminds me a great deal of the Ben Counter short story featuring the Black Templars where the captain was going 'outside the box' to the horror and outrage of his comrades, and yet achieved victory.

It also shows that despite their own views on the Codex Astartes, some marines are not so blinkered they can't accept that others may be different. Again a vast contrast with the whole SPIRITUAL LIEGE crap from the 5th edition Codex. Once they learn the Mortifactors own practices though, the dogmatic attitude crops back up though :P


Page 290
“The Devourer comes from beyond the galaxy, and even by naming it, men betray their ignorance,” groaned Astador. “The immortal hive mind controls its every thought. So many beings… A billion times a billion monsters form the over-mind and there is none here who can comprehend its scale. It comes this way and seeks only to feed. It cannot be negotiated with, it cannot be reasoned with, it can only be fought. It must be fought.”
One of the Mortifactor rituals (which focus on blood and death a great deal) seems to be a form of ancestor worship, who (not unlike the squats) exist beyond the warp and act to guide and counsel the current Chapter. These are the rituals that draw such shock and horror from the Smurfs, but they seem to work. Whether this is a form of precog (contacting warp spirits to gain answers.) or something else we don't know.

The 'billion times a billion' is not the first time this has shown up either. At least once more (In Savage Scars) to my knowlege, suggesting the fulls cope of hte Tyranid threat. If it has any merit, the numbers of 'nids simply coming here (nevermind already grown) could match or exceed the size of humanity, putting them on the same levle of scope as the Orks, Imperium. and (potentially) Necrons.


Page 292
The vast city of Erebus shone like a bright jewel in the flanks of the Cullin Mountains. It was built in a great wound in the rock, as though a giant had taken a shovel and cut a gigantic oval scoop into the south-western flank of the tallest peak. Set within a steep sided, rocky valley, fully nine kilometres wide at its opening, the city cut deep into the mountains for nearly forty kilometres. Bisected by the River Nevas, and home to some ten million people, Erebus was a crawling anthill and the most populous city of Tarsis Ultra.

Hab-units, factories, hydroponics domes, pleasure boulevards and other structures vied for space on the steep sides of the valley. Huge, teetering metal structures of glass and steel rose like metal flowers from the valley’s side, and almost every square metre of rock was built upon or bolted to. From the valley floor to the soaring majesty of the luxury habs and exotic spices of the flesh bars, every available sliver of rock was festooned with girders, beams, angles and unfeasibly slender columns, supporting an architecturally eclectic mix of styles that clashed jarringly with the simple, marble elegance of the ancient structures built by the Ultramarines ten millennia ago.

When Erebus City, as it had been known then, was constructed, it was a model of the perfect city, but a lot had changed since those heady days. Where once the city had served as an example of all that was good about human society, ten thousand years of continued expansion had taken its toll on its Utopian ideal, bringing it closer to the grim reality of hives on worlds such as Armageddon or Necromunda.
HAH! Maybe its not as perfect as ultramar, but the place is far from being an industrial shithole of the scale that Necromunda or even Armageddon is. IT still has a mostly habitable enviroment for one, and about an order of magnitude less population. We're looking closer to something in Calixis or Scarus really. I mean fuck, look at the implied scope of the city.. 9 km x 40 km, built into a mountain.. and yet it has 10 million people? Necromunda laughs at that, as do most of the truly old hives.

This is meant to reflect and introduce 'Snowdog' and his hive gangers, who McNeill used in other short stories involving the 'Nids. (I think it was just after this in fact, since they ran into Tyranids and most of the characters in this story got wiped out I think.)



Page 298
“Did you notice that there weren’t any citizens’ militia units around the Flesh Bar?”
...
“Yeah, I did. That was kinda weird, wasn’t it?”

“I wonder where they were? Normally you can’t move in the upper valley without seeing at least a few of them.”
Apparently militias are fairly common on Tarsis Ultra.



Page 299-300
In the month it had taken them to return to the Tarsis Ultra system, there had been precious little contact with the Mortifactors, a situation the Ultramarines were more than happy with. It had been a shock to everyone to know that a Chapter founded from their honourable legacy had changed so much.

They would fight alongside the Mortifactors, but Uriel knew there would be no renewal of brotherhood and no pledges of loyalty sworn anew between the Chapters.
A month back, again reaffirming the warp speeds (approximately) I previously estimated. And again we see that the Smurfs are frowning at the Moritfactors for their 'deviant' practices. Things are not going well.


Page 300
So far as he could tell from the air, Tarsis Ultra looked to be a model world that would not have been out of place in Ultramar itself.
...
Its grateful populace had incorporated their liberators into their world’s name, that they might always remember and honour them. When the Ultramarines Legion moved on to fresh campaigns, Roboute Guilliman left the foundations of an ordered world, established on ideals of justice, honour and discipline, instead of the blasted wastelands many of his brother primarchs’ victories left. Guilliman left teachers, artisans and people skilled in the ways of engineering and architecture to help with the rebuilding of Tarsis Ultra.

Its civilization was remade in the image of Ultramar, its society ordered and just, its people content and productive. Once more, Tarsis Ultra became a functioning world of the Emperor. Its output was prodigious, but unlike many other industrial worlds, whose unthinking plundering of their natural resources led to them becoming polluted, toxic deserts, sustainability and a careful husbanding of resources assured that Tarsis Ultra remained a verdant and pleasant world.
given the size of the Ultrasmurfs legion at the time of the Crusade, and the sheer number of spinoff Legions it has, you would think worlds like this have a significant representation in the Imperium (even allowing for 'variations' like the Mortifactors and ignoring the whole implications of the 'Scions of Gulliman/Spiritual liege' propoaganda angle.) I doubt they would do it to just one world.

And again its not exactly like Necromunda.



Page 301
And what he had seen thus far of Tarsis Ultra and its defences had impressed him greatly. Hulking star forts hung in geo-stationary orbit above the primary continental mass and already a sizeable fleet had been assembled in the months since their warning of the approaching tyranids had been given.

The Argus, a Victory class battlecruiser, and veteran of the First Tyrannic War, headed a detachment of fearsome vessels of war, including the Sword of Retribution, an Overlord battleship, three Dauntless cruisers and a host of escort ships. Flotillas of planetary skiffs, laden with the men and women of the Imperial Guard, were constantly shuttling back and forth from the planet’s surface and four vast transport ships hanging in orbit. Within days, the entirety of two vast regiments, the 10th Logres and the 933rd Death Korp of Krieg, would be deployed to Tarsis Ultra.
While its easy to reconcile, its quite obvious that MCNEILL SCALE warfare is in effect, unless that Krieg force is the size of a Siege Regiment. This probably means its not going to be a huge hive fleet, either. :P

Still the defenses are impressive, even if you have a battlecruiser leading a Battleship, and light curisers.


Page 301
vMore ships were being diverted to the system by segmentum command at Bakka and fresh regiments raised from nearby systems and subsectors, but they would not arrive for several months.
Reinforcements are several months away still. Why the regiments are so slow (transport) form the nearby systems/subsectors we don't know (similar problems with 'Nids? Their own fortifcation?) but it seems the ships are coming from Bakka. That's at least 20-30K LY away in 'several months' - or 2-3 months. So we're talking an average of between 80,000c and 180,000c before they arrive. Why they are dispatching ships from Bakka in Tempestus but not Kar Duniash in Ultima is beyond me - the distances are similar, but this happened with Behemoth too. Maybe there is some bond of obligation between Bakka and the Smurfs in action.


Page 301
“It will be wonderful. To see the handiwork of the blessed Guilliman halfway across the galaxy is proof that our way of life is the way forward for humanity.”

“It is?” asked Pasanius.

“Of course,” said Learchus, surprised that Pasanius had even queried his statement. “If the way of life we have followed for millennia thrives here, it can thrive elsewhere.”

“Is it thriving here?”

“Obviously.”

“How do you know? You haven’t seen it yet.”

“I don’t need to see it, I have faith in the primarch.”
Another one of those little 'discussions' regardng the Utlramarine way and other ways which is always a nice compare/contrast. Also mention of 'halfway across the galaxy' - supposedly from Ultramar I'm guessing. Either we take this less literally (although how 5-10K LY can be 'halfway across the galaxy' I don't know) or Tarsis Utlra is indeed further away. I'm not sure which applies, honestly.


Page 304
The leader of the Krieg regiment stepped forward and snapped a curt salute to the Space Marines, saying, “Colonel Trymon Stagler, regimental commander of the 933rd Death Korp of Krieg and overall theatre commander. I apologise for this waste of time, but Fabricator Montante kept it from us until an hour ago.”
...
“Captain Ventris is correct,” said Colonel Stagler. “We must begin planning. The enemy is at the gates.”

Uriel thought he could detect just a hint of anticipation in the colonel’s voice.
A non-meatrdroid Krieg, in command. Something you would not expect tos ee or want to see if you go by Vraks. Still just as bloodthirsty though.


Page 305
Sixty thousand pounds of thrust roared from the twin engines of each Fury attack craft as they howled along the internal flight deck of the Kharloss Vincennes, a Dictator class cruiser, and shot from the launch bays of their cruiser’s flank like bullets from a gun.
Fury fighter exhibits sixy thousand 'pounds' of thrust from its engines - at least on launch. By contrast an F-14 has something like 13,000 or so pounds of thrust, 28,000 with afterburn. That suggests the Fury engine (at least at this point is 4-5x more powerful, but recall as well tha tthe Fury might also be several times more massive since it is a larger plane and it might offset this. But it does give a (vague) idea of performance, although it applies differently in spcae than in atmosphere.


Page 305
Two squadrons, each of three fighters...
Squadron size


Page 305
An anomalous contact had registered on the powerful surveyor systems of Listening Station Trajen, a lightly manned orbital anchored at the edge of the Tarsis Ultra system. Their job would be to investigate the contact and, if
circumstances were favourable, engage and destroy it.
From around the planet to the edge of the system, depending on how fast the contact moves, this could imply considerable range on the fighters (as we learn the contact isn't accelerating too fast so...)


Page 305-306
The Furies were aerodynamic fighters with swept-forwards wings and twin tails with a rack of high-explosive missiles slung under each wing. Designed to shoot down incoming torpedoes, intercept attacking bombers and destroy other fighters, Furies were the workhorses of the Imperial Navy.

Each Fury carried extra fuel in a centreline tank, which would enable them to remain on patrol for longer periods of time without having to return to their carrier.

The Fury could carry up to four crew, but for scouting missions, a pilot and a gunnery officer were all that was required.
Furies are aerodynamic? not that I recall! But again they do carry missiles. Also fuel and crew capacity.



Page 307
...took a deep breath and opened up the Fury’s throttle.

It felt as though he had suddenly been kicked in the back as the giant engines thundered and hurled the craft forwards. The suspensor wired pressure suit expanded to prevent his blood from pooling, counteracting the horrendous forces exerted on his body by such rapid acceleration.

Super-oxygenated blood pumped directly into his body via spinal connections and the contoured helmets both he and his gunnery officer wore exerted outward pressure on the surrounding air to prevent them from blacking out
Suspensors in the flight suit to counteract effects of gravity (doesnt seem to be totally like accel compesnation though) suggests that Furies (or at least furies from this part of space) do not have AG (or much AG), unlike the fighters in Bleeding Chalice. This might reflect a hybrid role of course as well.

Also it seems to imply the initial thrust from the carrier may not have been top speed.


Page 307-309
Erin Harlen was one of the best pilots in the squadron, if not Battlefleet Tempestus itself.
Theses forces were dispatched from Tempestus also, meaning they took about two months or less to arrive.


Page 307-308
“Target acquired, captain. Bio readings consistent with tyranid life forms. Bearing, zero-three-six right, range one thousand kilometres,” said Pelaur from his slightly elevated position in the cockpit behind Morten, “Recommend approach vector mark four-six.”
..
Pelaur’s course would also put the light of the sun behind them, such as it was, and hopefully mask their presence a fraction longer.

In space combat, where death could travel the distance between combatants in seconds, the difference between life and death could often rest on those fractions..
...
“Captain Morten! My gunnery officer has a contact.”

“As does mine, Lieutenant Harlen. Approach vector mark four-six.”
...
“Thirty seconds to attack run,” said Pelaur.

They were fast approaching the point where they would make their final turn before beginning their attack. From here onwards they were on a war footing.

“Confirmed,” said Morten, starting the countdown to their turn and cutting the throttle back, decelerating towards combat speed.

“Twenty seconds,” counted down Pelaur.

The pilots rapidly bled off speed from their engines, slowing so that they would be able to attack without shooting past their target.

“Lieutenant Harlen. Ten seconds, be ready,” said Morten, flexing his fingers on the control stick.
...
Morten banked the Fury sharply right and downwards, following the plot on his attack logister. The other Furies swung in smoothly behind his fighter like a flock of hunting birds.

“Attack pattern delta four,” ordered Morten. “I want a volley from your squadron, Lieutenant Harlen.”

...

The three Furies in Harlen’s squadron peeled away to the right and increased speed as they closed with the target.

“Missiles ready,” said Martoq.

“Fire at will,” returned Morten.

Morten watched the Furies of Harlen’s squadron shudder as a missile detached from each of their wings and his cockpit was suddenly brilliantly illuminated as the rocket motors ignited and the six missiles flashed into the darkness.

....

He pushed the throttle open again and sped off after the missiles, arming his own and powering up the lascannon. If anything flew out from the target to try and intercept the missiles, he and his Furies would be waiting for them. He mouthed a quick prayer to the Emperor and checked his display. The pict-slate showed the flashing red icon of the target with two green arrowheads rapidly converging on its position.

His own flight were following the missiles in, leapfrogging Lieutenant Harlen’s and leaving his flight to cover them. Any element of surprise had been lost the instant they had fired, but it had been maintained long enough.

“Impact in two seconds,” said his gunnery officer.

Morten focused his eyes beyond the canopy and saw a blossom of white fire in the distance.

“Missiles have impacted. I say again, missiles have impacted,” called Martoq over the vox-net. “We got him!”
Target located. It's also implied they're approximately within combat range, although where precisely within 1000 km is up for debate (but 1000 km is still an approximate upper limit.) PArt of the problem is while its implied to be within seconds (And the ordnance travelling faster than the ships) we don't know the exact ranges, made even worse by the fact its closing velocity.

If we made a guess, missile velocities are in the tens of km/s maybe, ship velocities in single km/s, and possibly accelerations in the tens of gees. I figure it would balance out somewhere in those.. if ship velocities or accel go down then missile velocities go up, etc. Ranges probably somehwere in the hundreds of kms (at least with missiles.) against a large target. This would fit in (roughly) with stuff in Execution Hour, at least as far as missile velocities and ranges go.



Page 309-310
...he saw a large, tubular object spinning in space, huge craters blasted in its side. He pulled the speed way back and moved in for a closer look. Perhaps forty or fifty metres long, the object’s surface was a mottled green and pierced with undulating sphincter orifices. A tattered, fleshy frill ran the length of the creature and long, cable-like tentacles drifted behind it. Its front resembled a giant, serrated beak and ichor foamed in an expanding purple cloud from the wounds in its side, spilling into space like blood.
...
Morten instinctively slammed the control column right and pushed out the throttles to full power. He caught a glimpse of a fleshy, toothed torpedo-like object that had spurted from the side of the supposedly lifeless organism through one of the rippling orifices.
Tyranid ship and launching ordnance of some kind.


Page 314
Uriel and the Ultramarines walked in rapture around the perimeter of the long room, speechless in wonder at the magnificent sight, any faded expectations of Tarsis Ultra swept aside by the spectacular mosaic.
...
The Fortress of Hera, rendered in such loving detail that he could almost taste the salt of Macragge’s seas and smell the sweet sap of its highland firs in his memory.

He could see the mosaic was having the same effect on Pasanius and Learchus, their faces alight with joy.
...
As Uriel’s eye travelled further along the fresco he saw a warrior save Guilliman’s life, masterfully rendered in chips of sapphire and glass as he thrust his bayoneted rifle deep into the enemy’s belly.
...
Another portion of this section of the ceiling showed Roboute Guilliman on bended knee, swearing his bond of brotherhood with the warrior people of Tarsis Ultra. To see such a display of humility from one so mighty as their primarch was a sharp reminder to Uriel of everything the Ultramarines fought to protect.
Another one of those scenes I rather enjoy in these early Ultramarines novels... we get humility, appreciation of art, respect for human endeavour - all without the arrogance or pomposity we get from other sources. The fact they can be touched emotionally by this scene, and can respect the humility that even Guilliman might show a human, is rather endearing to me.

Another aspect of this is in the 'story' that Guilliman was depicted being saved by a human, which formed the bond of assistance leading to this current battle for the Defense of Tarsis Ultra.. its an element of foreshadowing for Uriel.


Page 315
He did not look like a warrior and Uriel wondered how he had achieved his position of authority here. Was the rule of Tarsis Ultra hereditary, democratic or did it still follow the primarch’s meritocratic ideals?
Some of the forms of Government in the Imperium. I guess they aren't all totalitarian or oligarchical shitholes.


Page 315
Stagler had the look of a warrior. Uriel had heard tales of the Krieg Death Korp and how their colonels requested the most dangerous warzones for their regiments to fight in, the most lethal enemies to face. If Stagler conformed to type, then he had chosen a prime assignment for his soldiers. He sat ramrod straight and appeared deeply irritated with Montante, also declining the wine.
The Warriors of Ultramar krieg. Not wholly different (yet) from the Vraksian Meat Droids of Krieg.


Page 316
“The tyranids are a bioeugenic race of xenomorphs from beyond the Emperor’s light, first discovered in the 745th year of this current millennium by Magos Varnak of the Adeptus Mechanicus outpost of Tyran Primus in Ultima Segmentum, some 60,000 light years from holy Mars.”
...
“It means that the tyranids are able to assimilate entire worlds and races, break them down into their constituent genetic building blocks and incorporate said constituents into their own physiology,”
Admech depiction of Tyranids. Note the reference to Tyran being 60,000 LY from Mars.



Page 316
...they consume everything in their path, and as each foe is defeated it is assimilated, each future generation of tyranids becoming better adapted to hunt their prey.
...
"Everything, every blade of grass, every indigenous creature is engulfed by the teeming hordes. Millions of years of evolution is destroyed and uncounted millennia of hard-won development and growth are annihilated by the tyranids’ insatiable hunger. The world’s oceans are drunk dry, its skies boiled away and digested until nothing remains, save a barren rock, stripped bare of every living thing.”
Tyranids, Inquisitorial version.


Page 316
“The cost is irrelevant,” said Stagler brusquely. “All that matters is that we can defeat them, yes?”
Now that is Kriegian no matter who is saying it, meat droid or no.


Page 317-318
"A hive fleet is made up of billions upon billions of living organisms produced in the hive’s reproductive chambers by the Norn Queen. Essentially, each ship is a living creature, every organism that makes up that ship existing only to serve the ship, and each ship functioning only as part of the fleet. A gestalt consciousness links every creature in the fleet, from the mightiest warrior beast to the tiniest, microscopic bacteria of the digestion pools, creating a vast psychic consciousness we call the overmind, that is capable of exerting a monstrous will and alien intelligence. Of course these creatures have no individuality of their own and exist simply to serve the hive mind. If one can disrupt the psychic link between them, the lower organisms become confused, often reverting to their basic, animalistic natures. It is the key to defeating them.”
The Hive Mind and synapse creatures.


Page 318
I have detected a pattern amongst a seemingly random series of attacks across Segmentum Tempestus, Ultima Segmentum and even Segmentum Solar that leads me to believe yet another hive fleet is attacking, this time from below the galactic plane. I have named it Leviathan and it appears that a splinter fleet from Leviathan threatens this world."
...
"For if the Shadow in the Warp is allowed to smother the divine light of the Astronomican, then Humanity will surely perish. Ships will be unable to navigate the warp, communication across the galaxy will cease and the Imperium will collapse."
Levaithan. Its spanning close to 3 whole segmentum, which seems to represent a considerable travel and communications obstacle. Clearly the Nids are learning how to more effectively attack the Imperium.


Page 319
“The Krieg regiment will have its men and armoured units on the ground within the next three days,”
..
"We will begin augmenting the city’s defences and I have devised a training regime that will ensure our readiness for when these aliens arrive. These aliens will not soon forget the Death Korp.”
...
“My soldiers will be deployed by the end of the day. We have far less armour to land than Colonel Stagler’s regiment and by morning I will have units moving throughout the continent to escort people back to the safety of the city. As the soldiers of the Logres regiment are raised from an ice world, this climate will present no difficulties for them, and we may also be able to teach you all a thing or two about cold weather injuries as well."
Deployment and origins of the two Guard regiments. Interesting that they both seem to have armour/vehicles, but to varying degrees. The Kriegers do training (good luck getting meat droids to do THAT, so we have yet another difference between Pre IA5 Krieg and the Meat Droids.) and willinglly accept help from Uriel in the form of Learchus. Also the Logres are cold weather troops.



Page 320
“My PDF regiments have been drilling ever since we received warning of the tyranids. As head of the PDF, I’ve ordered increased training over the last two months and called up all the citizen militia units to participate too. The vast majority of them have been on training exercises recently and are looking top notch, if I do say so myself. We’ve also begun stockpiling medical supplies, ammunition, fuel and food and drink in the caverns below the city.”

Kryptman looked surprised at this new side of the Fabricator Marshal and nodded.
..
"If there’s one thing I know, its organisational logistics. I may not be a soldier, but I can organise your supplies better than anyone and make sure that every soldier has a full pack of ammunition and three hot meals a day.”"
PDf training. It confirms the rough timeframe back and forth from the Mortifactors, indicates the time dilation involved was minimal, and also shows Graham McNeill's ability to make a 40K character who is not one-dimensional. The Fabricator is a bit of a pompous twit with parades and shit, but he knows his logistics so he has good sides as well as bad.


Page 320-321
Tyren Mallick pushed forward the safety catch of his autogun and opened the breech. He lifted a clip of bullets from the pocket of his flak jacket, ensuring that the rounds were clean, and placed them in the weapon’s charger guide. He pushed down on the clip until the top round was under the magazine lip then closed the breech and snapped off the safety.
An autogun. It sounds a bit like a different kind as far as loading goes, something different than an assault rifle. More like a bolt action really, but bolt action autoguns show up in Straight Silver too, so I don't blame Graham too much :P


Page 324
“At the furthest extent of the Tarsis Ultra system lies the planet of Barbarus Prime,”
...
“Population?”
...
“Quite low, the last census puts it at a little over nine thousand souls, mostly scattered throughout the uplands of the eastern continental mountain ranges.”

...
"....there is a bulk freighter en route from Chordelis, though it will be touch and go whether it can reach Barbarus Prime before the first tyranid organisms.”
I'm not sure 'furtherst extent' means the edge of the system, but edge of the inhabitable system or somewhere therabouts, because I'm not sure you could have 'habitable' planets too far away. In any case 9000 people can be evacuated on one ship.


Page 324
“Further in towards the core worlds are two uninhabited planets. The first, Parosa, has an atmosphere largely composed of a benzene-hydrogen compound. Highly toxic and though the Adeptus Mechanicus have attempted to terraform its atmosphere several times, they have thus far been unsuccessful. The second is called Yulan. It’s a geologically unstable rock, wracked by volcanic storms, though it does boast several gargantuan hydrogen-plasma mining stations in permanent geostationary orbit.”
Next tow worlds in line. One is a refulling world, the other is an attempt to be terraformed.


Page 324
"“Next we have Chordelis, a small, but populous world, mostly given over to industrial manufacture. Population in the region of sixteen million, with a PDF strength of fifty thousand soldiers"
Small industrial world. 16 million and 50K PDF. One trooper per 320 people.


Page 325
“After Chordelis, there are two agri-worlds, Calumet and Calydon, both with a largely caretaker population. These worlds are being evacuated as we speak. Then we have Tarsis Ultra itself, with a population in excess of sixty million.”
This would imply that Tarsis ultra has a PDF 3-4x larger than Choredlis if the ratios hold consistent. Not one of the more population dense or heavily defended worlds... although the McNeill Scale Effect may be in place for the warfare in this novel.


Page 325
“At current speed, it will be seven days before we can achieve orbit around Barbarus Prime,”
Even at billions of km, it would only need 2 gees of constnat burn and a 1.9% of c max speed to reach the edge of the system in 7 days. It goes without saying that at 1 AU we're talking barely 250 km/s average velocity.


Page 326
The normally slate grey sky boiled a loathsome, bruised purple and unnatural lightning speared through the violet sky, lighting the mountains in a lurid, unfamiliar light. A rain of dark objects fell to the plains below, amid the burning rain that ate away at the metal roofs of Hadley’s Hope and had forced its people to abandon the
barricades and take refuge in the schoolhouse, the only structure large enough to contain everyone.
Tyranoforming inflicts acid rain on the surface of the planet.

As an aside I have to note that McNeill did a really good bit of proper grim horror here... the earleir bit with the autogun was a nice, idyllic peaceful situation with a happy home life enviorment.. and now that has gone to shit that the Tyranids have arrived.. These people had a nice, peaceful happy life and they lose it because of the attack by dark, unknowable aliens. For me its a far more blatant, personal sort of horror than all the vast majority of the silly grimdark that emphasises uncaring or ignorance or all that other silly shit.


PAge 328
He shot again and again into the mass of beasts, their swollen skulls and armoured carapaces deflecting all but the most accurate shots. They swarmed into the town, spreading out and closing on the schoolhouse.
...
It leapt into the room, rain steaming from its glossy, armoured carapace. Hunched over and six-limbed, its bestial face hissed in alien hunger.
...
Tyren screamed, firing again. His bullet caught the creature at the base of its neck and exploded its head in a spray of dark ichor.
Tyranids vs Gunfire. The first ones we dont know, aside from them probably being 'gaunts and/or Genestealers. The second is definitely a 'stealer, since I'm pretty sure Gaunts are 4 limbed.

Blowing the head of a 'Stealer apart (300 kg as per IA4), which must weigh 20-30 kg or so, probably requires many times the energy to blow apart a human skull.. probably double digit KJ of KE - even if it isnt a total 'headsplosion' effect. It goes without saying that a lasgun should be capable of similar (similar does happen later in the novel, which echoes The cain stories where lasguns blow nid or ork heads apart similarily fast.)

More significantly it shows the importance of targeting when it comes to taking down Nids. Like Space Marines, you have to aim for the weak points on 'Nids to ensure injury or death - the rigid carapace plates often can deflect gunfire. On bigger forms, regenerative/coagulation properties (like Astartes) can make them even harder to kill, not to mention their extremely specialized/redundant internal structure.


Page 330
Flickering lightning flashed through the atmosphere, and though the effect from space was striking, almost beautiful, Uriel knew that it signified the world was in its death throes, ravaged by storms of titanic proportions strong enough to topple mountains and drown entire continents.

The surface of Barbarus Prime heaved as its mantle cracked, split apart by gargantuan feeder tentacles that burrowed deep into its body, devouring anything capable of being broken down into its constituent organic components.

There could be nothing left alive on Barbarus Prime: soon all the world’s genetic material would be absorbed by the tyranids and used as fuel for the ever-hungry reproductive chambers of the hive ships
The planet is being tyranoformed in days, rather than weeks or months. the lack of significant human population may or may not be a factor.



Page 331-332
Longer than the biggest battleship Uriel had ever seen, the monster’s hide was gnarled and ancient, pitted with asteroid impacts and hardened by millennia travelling through the void.
...
The approaching hive ship was not the biggest he had ever seen, that honour belonged to the beast at the head of the hive fleet that had engulfed the world of Graia, but it was still a giant, perhaps three kilometres in length.
Hive ship. Rather hilarious that the 'bigger than a battleship' is 3 km.. which is abut the size of some cruisers.


Page 333
The two fleets drew closer, though the ranges between them could still be measured in tens of thousands of kilometres.
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The Space Marine strike cruisers, together with the rapid strike cruisers of Arx Praetora squadron, advanced before the armoured behemoths of the battleship Argus and the Overlord battlecruiser, Sword of Retribution.

A trio of Sword frigates flew in a picket line before the fleet, supported by two Dauntless light cruisers, the Yermetov and the Luxor. Their fearsome lance arrays were sure to be decisive in the coming engagement and de Corte was taking no chances with their safety.

To either flank of the fleet, two squadrons of Cobra destroyers, Cypria and Hydra, surged ahead of the main fleet, their cavernous torpedo bays loaded with sanctified weapons and their pilots eager to unleash them upon the foe.

The massive hive ship at the centre of the tyranid swarm shuddered as though in the grips of a powerful seizure and expelled millions of spores, trailing glistening birth streamers as they sped away from its toughened hide.

The majestically swooping manta creatures moved as though swimming in a deep ocean, their wide, chitinous wings rippling with the motion of the solar wind.
The two fleets arrayed and the upper limit on engagement range.


Page 334
"Mister Viert, issue orders that no captain is to allow any alien organisms to approach to within five thousand kilometres of his ship.”

“Five thousand kilometres. Aye, sir.”
Range is no less than 5k km and no more than 100,000 km (strictly interpreting tens of thousands of km, at least.)



PAge 334
One of the larger creatures was detaching itself from the main body of the tyranid fleet, using short flaps of its wide wings to power itself forwards in sporadic spurts of motion.
Tyranid ships. flapping wings to move through space.



Page 334
“Hydra squadron to take up blocking position on the right flank. Order the Sword of Retribution to follow the frigates in. Yermetov and Luxor to escort her.”
...
"If these alien vessels are indeed as resilient as Lord Kryptman suggests, then their heavy bombardment cannons will be of great use.”


Again bombardment cannons are, in space terms, heavy weapons. Also part of the fleet will be closing to a closer range than the rest of it.



Page 334-336
Deep in the bowels of the Argus, the fifty-metre wide door of the nova cannon’s breech groaned shut as thousands of sweating naval ratings dragged the massive weapon’s recoil compensators into position.
...
...lifting mechanisms that hauled the enormous projectiles from the armoured magazines below.

The chamber ran almost the entire length of the ship...
...
...the droning chant of thousands of men.
...
The shell was loaded and he muttered the gunner’s prayer to the warhead as he squinted through a bronze optical attachment that lifted on groaning hinges from the panel. He clamped his augmetic monocle to the optical, lining up the thin crosshairs on the red triangle that represented his target. The target was closing on them so he didn’t have to make any adjustments for crosswise motion.
...
Satisfied that the shell would be on target, he lifted his head and ran his gaze across the chamber, checking that his gunnery crew gangs were clear of the greased rails that ran the length of the chamber and that each had their green flag raised to indicate that all the blast dampers had been closed.
...
Steam hissed from juddering pipes and a high-pitched screech filled the weapon chamber as the gravometric impellers built up power in the breech.
..
The screeching rose to an incredible volume, though Mabon was oblivious to it, until the nova cannon fired, and the enormous pressure wave slammed through the chamber. The weapon’s firing sent the three-hundred metre barrel hurtling back with the ferocious recoil. The air blazed with sparks and burning steam as the grease coating the rails vaporised in the heat of the recoil, the stench of scorched metal and propellant filling the chamber with choking fumes.
...
Mabon had drilled his gunnery teams without mercy and he prided himself that he could have the nova cannon ready to fire again within thirty minutes.
Nova cannon firing. 30 minute reload time, 300 m long barrel, a chamber that runs the length of the ship... thousands of crew. An implied short 'charge time'.

As far as shell size goes.. as I note here Breech diameter vs shell diameter seems roughly 1/2 to 2/3 which is consistent with the breech cannon we see in 'Rogue Trader: Into the Storm' Call it 20-30 m diameter at least, upwards of 50 m tops. Also figure a 2-3x lenght to width modifer, meaning between 40-150m. Assuming density of 250 to 1000 kg*m^3 (my usual density benchmarks for average) we get at least 3100-12,400 tonnes per shell, to 74,000-295,000 tonnes for the 'full sized' shell.
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Part 2. slight delay in updating with part 3

PAge 336
More potent than a dozen plasma bombs, the shell detonated only a few kilometres from one of the manta-like creatures, instantly incinerating it in a roiling cloud of fire, which also scattered a nearby flotilla of smaller creatures.
Nova cannon shell. Explodes rather than implodes here.


Page 337
Where Uriel had learned the virtue of personal initiative from his mentor, Captain Idaeus, Learchus seemed incapable of making that leap. He was an Ultramarine and that was to be expected, but Uriel knew that there were times when such rigid stricture was not always the answer.

Such thoughts disturbed Uriel. He knew it was but a short step from there to beginning down the path of the Mortifactors. Was that how their descent had started?

Small breaches of the codex’s teachings that over the centuries became greater and greater until there was nothing left of the blessed primarch’s work? Astador had claimed that their Chapter venerated the primarch, but could you hold him highest above all else and yet not follow his words?

Had Idaeus been the first step towards the end of everything the Ultramarines held dear? Could he have been wrong in his teachings, and was Uriel on the path that lead to ultimate damnation? Already he had gone against the teachings laid down in the codex, most recently on Pavonis.

In the dim light of the Vae Victus, Uriel felt the stirrings of doubt for the first time in his life.
Uriel struggles with his own internal demons regarding the Codex Astartes, his views of the Mortifactors, and his own actions. One of the interesting things, aside from a Marine thinking about himself in such terms, as well as the doubt he feels, is that he's not thinking clearly on the matter. I mean he's met Calgar, he knows Calgar knew about Idaeus... so if Idaeus were so contrary to the Codex Astartes, why was he given a captaincy? It reminds me of the sort of thinking we got in Ben Counter's Black Templars short story - the difference between line troopers or NCOs (like Learchus) and the atual officers like Uriel or Idaeus.



Page 337-338
Aboard the bridge of the Sword class frigate Mariatus...
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“Aye, sir, the lead enemy vessel will be in range in just under a minute.”

“Very good. Order all ships to begin firing as soon as the enemy ships are in range.”
...
He followed the progress of the other ships in his squadron, Von Becken and Heroic Endeavour, on the pict-slate before him, satisfied that they were holding proper station—allowing their leader to take the first shot.
..
“All guns firing now,” reported the gunnery officer calmly as the ship juddered with the recoil of its powerful guns. The vibrations running along the worn teak flooring did not do justice to the violence of his guns’ firing. Right now, hundreds of massive projectiles and powerful lasblasts would be hurtling through space to unleash a torrent of explosive death amongst these vile aliens.

He watched a flurry of detonations explode around the nearest bio-ship, gradually drawing in as his gunners bracketed it. Some even managed to score direct hits, their shells blasting one of the creature’s giant, bladed limbs from its body.
...
..the remainder of his squadron opened fire and the flash of distant explosions momentarily obscured the tyranid ships.

When the viewing bay cleared, he saw that one had been completely blown apart and another was drifting listlessly in space.
Frigates. Apparnetly they aren't in range even at 'tens of thousands of km'. Range is still greate rthan 5,000 km, but by how much we don't know. This may reflect optimization for short range guns, although having laser weapons would tend to argue against that, unless there is some carronade version of lascannon for starships.

Also the frigate unleashes 'hundreds of lasblasts and projectiles' - whather that is hundreds together or hundreds apiece (or just hundreds of shells and some lasfire added in) we don't know, but that is alot of armament for a single frigate. Esp since Sword class usually carry only laser weapons.


Page 338-339
Before he realised what he was seeing, bolts of gelatinous liquid spurted from the front section of the bio-ships.
“All ships, hard to starboard!”
...
The bridge of the Mariatus heeled sideway as emergency power was routed to the engines, but a ship of war does not react quickly, even if her captain does. With terrifying speed the bolts hurtled towards his ships, streaking through space in a tightly focussed stream.
..
Even as the bolts slid to the side of the viewing bay, he saw that it would not be enough. The Mariatus would escape significant harm, but there was no way either of her sister ships could possibly evade in time.
...
Three corrosive acid bolts struck Heroic Endeavour on the lower section of her engine compartment.
...
The full force of the tyranid weapons struck Von Becken broadside on, just behind her swept prow. The sheer force of impart smashed the bolts through the first layered sections of armoured panels, before the bio-acids ate through the remainder and the full force of the tyranid weapons engulfed the mid-level decks of the ship.
...
The acids filled compartments with burning fluids that dissolved flesh and metal in a heartbeat, the fumes as lethal as any nerve agent devised by the Adeptus Mechanicus. Blast doors rumbled closed, sealing off the area of the impact, but the corrosive fluid liquefied the doors and spilled onwards, dissolving decks and pouring down onto the screaming men below.
Tyranid weapons fire effects. Probably the pyro-acidic batteries. So in addition to the acid/incendairy effect, they also seem to behave like solid projectiles, despite the impliaction of being liquid/gelatinous. Tyrnaid Thanix cannon perhaps? :lol: Or maybe they do work like those clark 'Earthlight' beam weapons (hundreds or thousands of km/s? probably!) also note the 'nerve agent' aspect of rthe fumes.

The velocity does, seriously, imply to be fairly fast here, even over a relatively short distance (greater than 5000 km)


Page 339
Not all the torpedoes could be stopped and a handful slammed into the body of the mantis creature, the primary warheads vaporising a chunk of its hide, before the tail sections exploded, thrusting the powerful centre section of the weapons deep inside the creature to detonate.
More of Graham Mcneil's 'three stage' torpedoes like in Storm of Iron.


Page 340
A swelling of intercostal motion pulsed along the top of the creature and a flurry of jagged spines rippled from its flanks, thousands hurtling towards its attackers like enormous javelins. At such range, the odds of hitting a relatively fast moving target such as a destroyer were huge, but if you factored in the sheer number and density of the spine cloud the odds changed dramatically.

Two Cobras exploded as hundred metre spines hammered through their armour, smashing through the armaplas and ceramite hulls with horrifying ease. The lead vessel’s bridge was destroyed upon first impact, penetrated from prow to stern by a dozen spines, while the second was reduced to a blazing hulk as three giant spines penetrated her engine core and started dozens of uncontrollable conflagrations.
Spine attack. Assuming 100 m long and 1 m diameter, depending on density (anywher efrom the 250-1000 kg*m/s I usually assume to silicon like density) you get tens or hundreds of tonnes per spine. Velocity isnt known nor is range but I'm guessing they are travelling fairly fast but slower than cannon shells (faster than torpedoes maybe?) and they still seem to ingore shields. Maybe high tens/low hundreds of km/s. OF course we dont know if they have any weird shit like super sharp tips so penetration/damage issues are hard to resolve. :)


Page 341
Admiral de Corte watched the hive ship slip to the left of the viewing bay and counted down the minutes until his portside lances could fire.
...
“Admiral! We are at optimum lance range!”
Apparnetly 'optimum lance range' isnt tens of thousands of km either.


Page 343
Pasanius grappled with a pair of clawed beasts that tore at his armour with frenzied slashes of their talons. But Terminator armour had been designed with just this kind of close quarter battle in mind and they could not defeat it. Pasanius smashed their heads together, breaking their skulls open with a sickening, wet crack.
apparently, Pasanius having powera rmour made from salvaged Terminator armour conveys many of the benefits (for his large frame) OF termy armour.


PAge 352
Satria turned to see Sergeant Learchus effortlessly lifting the back end of the fully laden truck from the sucking mud and push it forwards to more solid ground. The sergeant dropped the truck to the road and almost immediately it sped off to the
spaceport.
Astartes Strength in action. While the truck no doubt weighs tonnes, the fact the front end is on the ground mitigates the lifting somewhat, I think.


Page 351-352
“It is unseemly that your people do not stay to fight,” said Learchus, turning back to watch the labouring men below. “Where is their spirit? Their world is threatened and they flee before the enemy.” He shook his head in disappointment.
...
“People are frightened,” shrugged Satria. “And I can’t say I blame them."
...
“Given the chance, would you flee?” asked Learchus.

“No,” admitted Satria with a smile, “but I swore an oath to defend this world and I don’t break my word.”

“That is good to know, Major Satria. The warrior spirit of Ultramar is in you.”
...
Learchus stepped forward to berate the man for his uncivil behaviour and coarse language...
...
The sergeant’s face was thunderous as he marched back along the road towards van Gelder.
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Satria grimaced at Learchus’s lack of tact and even van Gelder was momentarily taken aback. But he was not a man to be cowed easily.
“Do you know who I am?” he blustered.
“No,” said Learchus, dismissively. “Nor do I care. Now turn this vehicle around before I do it myself.”
...
“I think we might have upset him,” smiled Satria.

“Good,” replied Learchus.
A bit of a streamlined conversation showing Learchus interpersonal skills. Bit of a subplot in this story, as Learchus represents the most dogmatic/conservative propoent of the Ultramarine way and the Codex Astartes (thus disliking Uriel's approach and the Mortifactors both) as well as being the most undiplomatic of the MArines. And yet he has many positive qualities as well - dedication and courage, and he treats those who earn his respect and live up to his standards well (like Major Satria.)


Page 356-357
“Well, yes. I thought that might be important in a soldier.” Satria had replied.
“Not against tyranids,”
...
"-they come at you in a tide of creatures so thick a blind man could score a hit ten times out of ten. Any man who can hold a gun can hit a tyranid. But no matter how many you kill with your guns, there will always be more, and it is our job to teach the men how to fight the ones that reach our lines.”
...
...he had fought bureaucratic intransigence and years of ingrained dogma to implement a workable regime.

At dawn the men would rise, practise field stripping their weapons and perform exercises designed to enhance their stamina and aerobic strength.
..
“These men must learn faster,” said Learchus. “They will all die in the first attack at this rate.”

“You expect the impossible from them, sergeant,” said Satria. “At this rate they will hate us more than the tyranids.”

“Good. We must first strip them of all sense of self. We must strip away every notion of who they think they are and rebuild them into the soldiers they need to be to survive. I do not care that they hate me, only that they learn. And learn quickly.”
...
Originally the soldiers had been training without their webbing and winter gear, but Learchus had swiftly put a stop to that. Where was the use in training in ideal conditions when the fighting was never going to be that way?

Learchus firmly believed in the philosophy of Agiselus: train hard, fight easy. Every training exercise undertaken by its cadets was fought against insurmountable odds, so that when the real fight came, it was never as hard.
..
...Learchus saw that the soldiers were still too slow. Tyranid creatures were inhumanly quick,...
Can't say I think much of Learchus' training program, since it seems to emphasize close quarters combat with the 'Nids and basically making them into meat droids. I think it stems from him thinking more and more like Astartes and trying to train them in that way. I dont know if he anticipates close combat being inevitable (they may not have neough troops to stem the numbers.) but its unlikely that even a well trained guardsman would be a match for even a low end 'Nid up close. not in a fair fight anyhow. Ranged is their greatest advantage.

Still I might be hard on Learchus. He does change over the series, and I suspect his tactics may as well. I don't think he's quite grasped that 'Space Marines' ad 'humans' aren't the same and cannot be treated the same. So he's still learning. And he does sort of have a poitn - they need to learn fast, and learn hard, if they and their planet are to survive, so his methods may be extreme, but in the face of the Tyranids they may also be tragically necessary (well except 'close quarters' with the Nids. that is.)


Page 357
“Irrelevant,” said Stagler. “The weakest men will always be the first to fall anyway. When the chaff has been removed, the true warriors will remain.”
...
“Your soldiers leave a lot to be desired, Major Satria,” pointed out Stagler...
...
Learchus agreed with Stagler and though he knew that Satria’s men were trying, effort had to be combined with results to mean anything.
The Krieger seems to be thinking along the same lines of Learchus. Not terribly surprising, but on the other hand these are actually Krieg Lite - the officer is merely darwinian in his approach to warfare, rather than actually thinking of them as being mere statistics to be used up to achieve whatever end like the meat Droids think.


Page 357-358
The man didn’t react, though she couldn’t tell whether that was a result of the frostbite or the half-bottle of amasec he’d downed to blot out the pain.
..
“Is it bad?” slurred the soldier.
..
"I don’t read so good, sister. Never had no call for it on Krieg.”
...
“Nah, soon as you’re old enough you’re sent to join the regiment. Colonel Stagler don’t approve of educated men, says it was educated men that got Krieg bombed to shit in the first place. The colonel says that all a man needs to do is fight and die.
That’s the Krieg way.”

“Well, with any luck, I’ll have you fighting again soon, but hopefully you can avoid the dying part,” said Joaniel.

The soldier shrugged. “As the Emperor wills.”
Another indicator of just how different these Krieg are from the Vraksian Meat droids. He's drunk, uneducated, and yet generally has that 'fanatical/fatalistic' approach. I mean if this were IA5 he wouldnt even have a personality, much less be in any hospital.



Page 358-359
Unlike the battle sisters of the Orders Militant, the sisters of the Orders Hospitaller provided medical care and support for the fighting men and women of the Imperial Guard, as well as setting up missions for the needy and impoverished of the Imperium.

Many wounded soldiers had the sisters of the Orders Hospitaller to thank for their survival and it was a source of great comfort to those on the front line to know that such aid awaited them should they be injured.
...
The weight of responsibility and too many bad memories had aged her prematurely and though she still met her order’s physical fitness requirements and could field strip a bolter in less than forty seconds, she knew that a life of moving from war to war had made her features melancholy.

The war on Remian IV had been the worst she had ever seen: screaming men begging for a merciful death rather than endure such pain.
...

She remembered the months of counselling she had given the soldiers after the battle, bringing many of them back from the horror of their experiences on Remian. In response to her soothing words and gentle manner, the soldiers had dubbed her the Angel of Remian and that name had followed her since then. She had saved hundreds, if not thousands, of lives on Remian, but in the end, there had been no one there to soothe the horrors in her own head.

In her dreams she would find herself back there, weeping as she clamped a spraying artery, fighting to save a faceless soldier’s life as he screamed and clawed at her with broken fingers..
A Hospitaller character and one of those rare 'cool' Sororitas characters - what I like is how she is 'human' in having her own limits and troubles despite having faith, not unlike the one we meet in 'Cain's Last Stand' She's got nightmares, but she still does her duty and tries to help and counsel those who need her. She plays a role too later on. Its nice to know that psychological ministering is just as important as the physical kind for the sisters, and that even the warriors can have a human, non-fanatic side, doubts, etc. If there is no possibility of doubt, how can there really be faith?

Also her own phyiscal training and military prep.


Page 360-361
The volcanic world of Yulan was beautiful from space...
...
..buffeted by the planet’s seismic discharges and flares of ignited gasses from the cracked surface.
...
Their captains fought to hold their vessels steady, their shields at full amplitude to protect them from a host of hazardous materials being ejected from the world below.

Though even the smallest vessel was almost a kilometre long, they were all dwarfed by the three behemoths that hung in geostationary orbit above Yulan. Hundreds of pilot ships and powerful tugs from the docks above the nearby planet of Chordelis fought the miasma of turbulence in the planet’s lower atmosphere to manoeuvre themselves into position at the vast docking lugs at the front of the enormous creations.

Each behemoth was a hydrogen-plasma mining station that drank deeply of the planet’s violent atmosphere and refined it into valuable fuels used by the tanks of the Imperial Guard, the ships of the Navy and virtually every machine tended by the Adeptus Mechanicus. They were largely automated, as the handling of such volatile fuels was, to say the least, highly dangerous.
Orbital fuel refinery stations. Turning whatever shit they can siphon off from the planet - gasses and whatnot, into plasma fuel for starships, ground vehicles (running on hydrogen?), and other equipment. I guess this makes it.. promehium? DIESEL FUSION! Well more like Natural gas fusion or something.

Also hundreds of transports/pilot ships that are at least a kilometre long for hauling the stations. Probably insystem craft, but it gives you a good idea of the scale of insystem vessels a system can have. also void shields blocking the atmospheric dangers of the planets.

Also 'largely automated'


Page 361
For several hours, and at the cost of scores of servitor drones, the first of the huge refinery ships was slowly dragged from orbit, its vast bulk moving at a crawl into the darkness of space.

Despite the danger of working in such a hostile environment, the work to moor the tug ships to the second refinery was achieved in little under three hours and it moved to join the first on the journey to Chordelis.
Note they're interchangably 'mining ships' and 'mining stations'. Go figure. Something like a Goiath fuel manufacturing ship.


Page 361
But haste and a billion-tonne refinery packed with lethally combustible fuels are two things that do not sit well together.
Billion tonne refinery stations. Dozens, or hundreds of km long ships ot move each, and assuming tens of km/s to move the ships (probably a lower limit, they have to reach a certian minimum velocity to move from one system to another in a reasonable timeframe), we'r probably talking energy in the e19-e20 J range at least to move each one.


Page 361-362
....designed to capture the hot gasses from the planet below, the intake tower sucked a huge breath of the tug’s explosion, carrying the burning plasma of its engines to the very heart of the refinery’s combustion chambers, where it ignited an uncontrolled chain reaction.

Emergency procedures initiated, but blast doors not shut since the refinery’s construction thousands of years ago jammed and shutdown measures failed as ancient circuits failed to close, their wiring long having since degraded to the point of uselessness.

Within minutes of the crash, the internal chambers of the refinery began exploding sequentially, with each blast blowing apart more storage chambers and multiplying the force of the blast exponentially.

From high orbit, it appeared as though the giant refinery was convulsing and before any warning could be given to the ships still clustered nearby, it exploded in a flaring corona that eclipsed the brightness of the system’s star.

Everything within a thousand kilometres of the blast was instantly vaporised and the Shockwave ruptured the surface of the planet below, sending plumes of fiery gasses into space.

The blast wave faded, leaving nothing of the refinery or the hundreds of men that made up the Adeptus Mechanicus detachment tasked with its retrieval, save an expanding cloud of burning plasma gas.
Explosion one one refinery. to vaporize the station itself (assuming iron) will require at least close to several thousand megatons worth of energy. Vaporizing anything else in vicinity would probably be orders of magnitude more than that depending on what was vaporized.

Also note the nature of the fuel.. made from atmospheirc gasses into other kinds of fuels.


Page 365
Under the supervision of the Mortifactors’ Techmarines, thick sheets of steel were welded onto the damaged sections of the Mortis Probati and fresh shells loaded into her magazines. The crews of the Heroic Endeavour and the sole surviving vessel of Hydra squadron swarmed around their hulls, jury-rigging repairs that would allow them to go into battle once more. No one was under any illusions that these repairs were anything more than temporary—each ship would need many months in dock to return to full service.
STEEL! MERE STEEL! No doubt a modern tank woudl easily penetrate that!


Page 366
Since the warning of the tyranids’ impending arrival had reached Chordelis, the planet had been steadily emptying and hundreds of vessels clogged the shipping lanes around the world. Wealthy citizens with their own vessels were the first to depart, closely followed by those able to book passage off-world. Those with enough money fled deeper into the galactic core while those unable to finance such a journey travelled on commercial ships crammed with refugees that shuttled back and forth between Chordelis and Tarsis Ultra. Greedy captains, scenting opportunity for profit, raised their prices accordingly until even the wealthy fled as paupers.

But though millions escaped, millions more remained.
millions escape on warp capable and non warp capable. This is another one of those bits that for me captures the horror of the entire situation.. greed and desperation mingle to make it a tragic and frantic... they mention men offering themselves into slavery, women prostituting themselves.. all to escape certian doom and death. Short term survival displacing long term survival. Again the grimness and the 'horror' of this sort of situation far outweighs the silly, over the top and rather unrealistic 'grimdark' approach usually taken. I mean fuck if you're going to include something dark and horrific don't trivialize it.



Page 366
As the luxury vessel Cherrona lifted from the planet’s surface...
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Her starboard engine was torn free of its mountings as her captain brought her about for departure. The engine dropped and blew apart like a bomb among the milling crowds and the ponderous vessel began sliding back towards the ground, the attraction of gravity too much for its remaining engine to fight. Fully laden with refugees and thousands of tonnes of fuel...
...
The Cherrona exploded with the power of an orbital bombardment, hurling blazing sheets of fire and lethal fragments in all directions, scything through thousands of people and touching off scores of secondary explosions. The devastation ripped through the spaceport until almost nothing was left standing.
Some sort of atmospher ecapable starship loading thousands of tonnes of fuel.. which also equates with the yeild of an unspecified kind (or scope) of orbital bombardment. If weo go by fuel energy density, and assume something akin to gasoline (~10 ton of TNT per ton) we're looking at tens of kilotons at least.


Page 367
Garbled reports from Arx Praetora squadron and the Dauntless cruisers, some thirty thousand kilometres ahead of them, had spoken of the alien fleet moving in a solid mass of creatures, several hive ships scattered throughout the swarm.
..
“Hard to say, admiral,” replied Philotas. “Surveyor returns are being scattered by the refinery vessel, but I’d say no more than fifty thousand kilometres.”

“We’re cutting this very close,” observed Uriel, staring at the plotting table. “The first engagements at Barbarus were not much closer than this.”
implied engagement ranges in the first battle and the current one. The Vae Victus is no more than 50K KM away (outside weapon range?) and the Eecorts and light cruisers are 30 KM away from them.. the nids are at least 30K km away, and the escorts are no more than 20K km away from them or less. Man engagement ranges have literally dropped by an order of magnitude sicne the last novel, haven't they?


Page 367-368
Only two days ago in the captain’s chambers on the command deck of the Argus, Kryptman had told them of his decision to let Chordelis die.
...

“The tyranids will be here within three or four days at the latest.""
Days to cross the orbits between at least one if not several planets. Again we're not talking stellar accelerations or velocities, but they'd be consistent with Rogue trader RPG stuff at least here, depending on where orbits nad such are.


Page 368-369
Uriel stood and slammed his fist on the table, splintering the wood. “Every time these aliens invade the Emperor’s realm we fall back. People like you claim we cannot fight them and we hear this so often we start to believe it. Well that stops now. I say we draw a line here and talk no more. This time, I say we stand and fight.”
...
Uriel could not believe the ease with which Kryptman had decided the fate of millions. To the inquisitor these were just numbers, but to Uriel they were living, breathing people—subjects of the God-Emperor and deserving of protection.

This is a bit of yet another scene that builds off earlier events - Barzano's in Nightbringer, but with a different outcome - to that we add the growing tensions between the Ultramarines and the Mortifactors. Kryptman basically wants to Exterminatus Choredlis because they can't stop the nids, and Astador agrees. Uriel, as we see, does not and thinks this is Pavonis all over again, hence the parallel. Except that Kryptman is not Barzano either, nor is the situation quite the same, so Uriel's responses and his beliefs take on a somewhat different context than in the last book. It actually is rather interestign in that way, how it takes the same atittudes and situations and puts them in a context where things don't work out quite so neatly as they did last time. Uriel has this expectation that he's going to save the day, and yet he will end up disappointed, and he is forced to confront that sense of failure throughout the book. Hell one of the themes prevalent in this story is how the Smrufs are forced to confront their own perceptions and prejudices - with the lesser humans (particularily Learchus), with their fellow Astartes (the Mortifactors), and others (like Kryptman.) It builds on previous experiences in a way that allows for character development without nullifying the past achievements.

A major subplot (And one that continues after t his, started from Nightbringer) is Uriel and his view on the Codex Astartes, he's started to question whether

Another good bit is how this is something of a 'gray' area. Kryptman is a harsh bastard but he's not really acting the asshole Inquisitor just because he wants to take harsh measures. He's harder and more fanatical than BArzano was, but he's just as determined to do what he feels is right to save the larger Imperium. This doesn't make Uriel automatically superior, just different.



Page 369-370
As their engines decreased power, only the momentum of the ship kept them moving forwards. Slowly, but surely, the vast hydrogen-plasma refinery shrank in the viewing bay and a palpable sense of relief spread throughout the bridge as the distance between the Vae Victus and the perilous colossus increased.
...
As the refinery diminished, the hazy outline of an indistinct halo grew around its edges. At first, Uriel thought this was the corona of distant stars around the vast refinery, but as it drifted further away, he could see that it was actually the outer edges of the tyranid fleet’s vanguard.
...
“Arx Praetora squadron is coming into view,” said Philotas. “Some damage to all ships, but nothing serious.”
..
“And the tyranids?”

“Following close behind."
The Tyranids are 'close behind' the Imperial ships, but both are still just on the edge of (space Marine) vision, suggesting they're still tens of thousands of km away.


Page 371-372
The Vae Victus shuddered as her prow bombardment cannon unleashed a buildingsized projectile from its flash-protected barrel. Travelling at phenomenal speed, it closed the distance between the Vae Victus and its target in less than a minute.
'building sized' projectile, not unlike the broadside guns - but I'm guessing a bigger building. And while we don't have firm values on the range, it takes 'less than a minute' -how long we don't know, to cross the distance. Which might give us an idea of effective propogation times for bombardment cannon and macro cannon (macro cannon are more accurate than bombardment cannon as per Execution hour, recall.)

In this case we don't know the exact range, but if its around 30-50 thousand km, and about a minute, it would be travelling at 500-1000 km/s. Not quite the speed implied in Execution Hour or other sources, but scaling back numbers seems a trend in this book (range, etc.) That doesn't make the value wrong in this case (variable velocities for a linear accelerator aren't unbelievable) but it doesn't make it an absolute as some people try to claim.

Hell they even refer to Barzano 'virus bombing' Pavonis in Nightbringer, when it was cyclonics. People do make mistakes :P


Page 372
Packed with millions of tonnes of highly volatile hydrogen-plasma compound, the refinery vessel was now a gargantuan flying bomb. The shell from the bombardment cannon struck it amidships, punching through metres of thick reinforcement, a delayed fuse ensuring that it did not detonate until it was deep within the heart of its target.

The shell exploded within the largest of the plasma tanks, instantly igniting the unstable compound and setting in motion a chain reaction like the one that had destroyed the third refinery in orbit around Yulan.
...
Millions of tonnes of flammable chemicals ignited and exploded like the birth of a new star. Every creature attacking the refinery was incinerated, the fireball expanding in a lethal wave front and engulfing countless other swarm creatures. Kraken, drones and spores were all burned to death in the initial fireball and thousands more suffered fatal concussive injuries from the massive blast front that followed the detonation.
Devastates even the hive ship. millions of tons of hydrogen apparently go up in chemical reactions (I guess?) or the fuel does, since its made from hydrogen it probably has the same energy density. Then again, its likened to the explosion of a 'hydrogen plasma compound' and supposedly used in starships, so it migth be closer to a nuclear reaction (or more devastating - recall what space fleet says about plasma weapons.) Unless they have many millions of tonnes I'm not sure even hydrogen stuff would create any sort of explosion that reaches out hundreds of km away.


Page 372-373
Learchus watched them, a fierce pride burning in his chest as he saw the last man drop to his haunches and remove his pack.
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He smiled as he wandered through the exhausted soldiers, aware of their angry stares and muttered curses.

The men of each regiment were performing well and a shared sense of comradeship had flourished in them all. That it had come about through a shared hatred of him did not concern him, he knew it was a passing thing. While the enemy was still distant, soldiers needed a common target for their hate and their aggression.
..
Learchus had been impressed by the efficiency of Sebastien Montante, the Fabricator Marshal of Erebus. He had judged him an empty headed fool when they had first met. Though he was no soldier, the man’s talents for organisational logistics was second to none and virtually every request Learchus had made for supplies or equipment had been met within hours.
We can already see that Learchus' attitudes toward his mortal charges is changing, and this is another of those significant points about the story.


Page 374
“You speak of the regions around District Quintus? These regions are over thirty kilometres from the valley mouth."
Estimat eof the size of the capital of Tarsis Ultra.


Page 374-375
“You dare insult our honour?” spat Learchus. “You would do well to consider your next words, van Gelder, for if you utter such an insult again, I will kill you.” The council sat stunned as Learchus fought to control his rage...
...
The memory of his loss of temper shamed Learchus and he had spent every night since that moment in penitent prayer.
...
"The men are working as hard as they can, I assure you.”

“Good. They are a credit to you, Major Satria.”

“Thank you, though you may want to tell them that.”

“I intend to. When they hate me more than their worst nightmare.”
...
"I am showing off by training with them,” said Learchus. “I want them to know that I am superior to them, for when it comes time for me to build them up, they must feel that my praise truly means something. I will make them feel like they are heroes, I will make them believe they are the greatest warriors in the galaxy.”

“You’re a sneaky one, aren’t you?” said Satria eventually.

“I have my moments,” smiled Learchus.
More of Learchus and his changes in attitudes, he still has more of that former intransigence, although it has a justified target in this case (someone obsturcting his duty) and he does regret his outburst, but he's getting into his role, and what's more, its changing him as much as it changes them.

Learchus is an interesting parallel to Uriel... in the sense one becomes less 'rogue' (although as I state later I dislike how that part was handled) and Learchus seems to get that rod out of his ass, becoming less inflexible. Learchus' development from how he was in the first book, to how he is by the end of this, is quite enjoyable. I alwys enjoy seeing a Space Marine GOD interacting with humans, because its great fodder for character development properly done.


Page 376
“Do you think Lord Calgar would have allowed Chordelis to be destroyed?”
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“I do not know, Uriel. Our Chapter Master is a man of great wisdom and compassion, but he is also a strategist of sound logic and I think that perhaps you and I are too fond of the idea of saving everyone we can. Lord Inquisitor Kryptman was correct when he said that sometimes you need to lose the occasional battle to win the war.”
...

“We cannot always do what is right, Uriel. There is often a great gulf in the difference between the way things are and the way we believe they should be. Sometimes we must learn to accept the things we cannot change.”
...

“I believe we must endeavour to change the things we cannot accept. It is by striving against that which is perceived as wrong that makes a great warrior. The primarch himself said that when a warrior makes peace with his fear and stands against it, he becomes a true hero. For if you do not fear a thing, where is the courage in standing against it?”
Tiberius and Uriel discuss the destruction fo the planet. Again Uriel is forced to accept that reality may be different than he otherwise wishes, and he takes that hard. As Tiberius says, he is an idealist, and the 40K galaxy is a bad place for idealists. A good chunk of this novel is Uriel facing and coping with that fact, and part of (for me) a sad part of the series, because Uriel's idealism is his biggest motivating factor, but Tarsis Ultra will change him. Not in bad ways, but it will temper alot of the things I think that made him great in Nightbringer, and change is always a fact of life whether we like it or not, so I do find it appropriate.



Page 377-379
Even at maximum magnification, the planet before them barely filled the viewing bay, reflected light from the distant sun rippling across its heaving, fiery surface.

Firestorms were raging across the dead planet as flammable gasses released from oceans of decaying organic matter enveloped it, scouring the surface to bare, lifeless rock.

The tyranids themselves could do no more thorough a job.
...
The life-eater virus was quick to act and utterly lethal in its effects. Perhaps some had an inkling of what was being done to their world, but most would probably have succumbed without realising the magnitude of the betrayal visited upon them.

The atmosphere would be saturated with mutagenic toxins that attacked the biological glue that held organic matter together, breaking it down with horrifying rapidity.

Within hours there would be nothing left alive and the virus would be forced to turn on itself in an unthinking act of viral self-cannibalism. The planet’s surface would be covered by a thick layer of decayed sludge, wreathed in vast clouds of toxic waste matter. All it would take was a single shot from orbit to ignite the fumes and firestorms of apocalyptic magnitude would sweep the entire surface of the planet bare.
Life Eater virus. Sterilizes the surface of the planet completely in a matter of hours. Not as purely destructive as Cyclonics perhaps, but it leaves the chance of the world being usable again (not neccesarily habitable, though.) Hydra Cordatus from Storm of Iron is one example. The 'all consuming' nature (even of the virus itself) is actually a useful safety mechanism, as is the sterilization process.

Also shows an approximate magnitude of devastation simialr forms of Extrminatus can deal (EG mass drivers and fusion torpedoes, as mentioned in Battlefleet Gothic.) The truly interesting detail is how the firestorms can be or might be triggered by orbital bombardment. Perhaps there is a synergistic effect with virus weapons and orbital bombardment - the two together can be more devastating (energetic) together than they are apart.


Page 380
"I thought Captain Idaeus was right, but now I see the Mortifactors and I wonder where his line of thinking will lead. If we follow his beliefs to their logical conclusion, will we end up like them?”
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"“No, of course not. Chaplain Astador said it himself: he and his Chapter are a product of their homeworld."
Uriel and Pasanius discuss Uriel's doubts and fears about Idaeus, the Codex, and the Mortifactors, and their willingness to side with Kryptmann. Pasanius basically says they're as much a result of their culture as the Ultramarines are of theirs and it leads to a different attitude towards others. It also reflects one of the flaws the Ultramarines make here - they (arrogantly) assume everyone descended from Gulliman will be just like them, and being different is wrong. It's reconciling this that causes the conflicts and the uncertainty (in Uriel.) They even note they should have seen it but didn't.

Quite a bit different from that 'Scions of Gulliman' stuff of the codex.


Page 381
The blue and white curve of Tarsis Ultra shone at the bottom of the viewing bay, dozens of system ships and defence monitors hanging in orbit around the planet.[/quoe]

mobile defence forces of Tarsis Ultra.


Page 382
The orbital space station was a massive construction, impossibly ancient and, together with the others in the linked chain, powerful enough to defeat a battleship together with any attendant escorts...
Fixed defenses.


Page 387
A chain of linked space stations ringed the planet’s equatorial belt, towed into position to face the approaching tyranids by a host of tugs and pilot boats. Dozens of defence monitors and system ships lumbered into their position in the battle line...
Tarsis Utlra's space defenses again.


Page 387
...the Mortis Probati and the Vae Victus would stand off from the main engagement and utilise their fearsome bombardment cannons, rather than entering into the thick of the battle...
Strike cruisers using bombardment cannon as standoff weapons - like nova cannon


Page 387-388
Under the power of dozens of straining servitor-crewed tugs, the hydrogenplasma refinery drifted forward to meet the tyranids. Its hull was packed with yet more explosives and volatile plasma cells, and the magnitude of the resultant explosion was sure to dwarf the detonation of the previous refineries.
Enhanced refinery bomb. Packed with explosives and 'plasma cells'. I wonder if those are supposed to be some sort of fuel cell? That may very well be what goes into the vehicles, which means they're powered by something other than promethium. :P


Page 388
Though tens of thousands of kilometres away, the refinery still dwarfed everything around it, and de Corte knew that the blast was certain to kill hundreds, if not thousands, of alien organisms.
Range of refinery and hive fleet from Imperial forces.


Page 389
The vast overmind cared nothing for the individual creatures that made up the majority of its mass and directed its monstrous will at the muscle beasts. Even in death, the muscle beasts would not be wasted, their organic mass would be reabsorbed by the hive fleet and used to produce fresh warrior creatures.
The Tyranids are using a new form of organsim to halt the advance of the mining facility-bomb and propel it back towards the Imperial fleet.


Page 390
"All ahead full, divert all available power to the auto loaders for the prow cannon. I want to be able to hit that refinery with everything we’ve got."
...
“It would seem Admiral Tiberius is correct,” replied Jex Viert, his voice betraying his anxiety. “The refinery does appears to be closing with us now.”
..
“Order the nova cannon to fire!” shouted Jex Viert. “Signal all ships to open fire. Now, for the Emperor’s sake, now!”
Nova cannons, space marine ships, and all broadside/lance weapons open fire on the refinery


Page 390-391
Travelling at close to five thousand kilometres per second, the shell closed the gap between the foes in a little under twenty-five seconds. As it closed to within fifteen thousand kilometres, blazing arcs of blue lightning surged outwards from the rippling plates of the creatures that surrounded the muscle beasts dragging the refinery, enveloping the missile’s shell. Instantly, the shell exploded in an expanding cloud of burning plasma, its shattered remnants spinning off into space.

The crackling, lightning spitters and the beasts with giant sail-like appendages took up station before the refinery as a flurry of shells and energy blasts slashed towards it.
Nova firing. 5000 kps as we've heard often before. Assuming the previous thousands/tens of thousands ton shell size At 2000 tonnes we're talking 2e19 joules, while at tens of thousands at least 2e20 joules. Not trivial, but not exaclty the teratontastic yields from the 'near-c' shells either. The Macro cannon and other weapons strike not long after, so that suggests the shells (at least) have close to simialr velocities.

Range wise the shell is at least 140,000 km away, which is a lower limit on Nova cannon range. It's also the range of the other weapons we see fired alongside the nova cannon (lances, macro cannon, etc.)

This is definitely one of the odder nova cannons we've seen. Not quite as weird as the Hellforged one (which was powered by slaves swinging two bits of radioactive metal together) but its not like the energy beams. Some would argue this is an outlier. There is some merit to that, given that Graham seems to have some odd troubles with consistency in this novel (with other sources and with his own writing, as alluded to ealrier.) and that the nova cannon in 'Chapter's Due' has the near-c reference. Still, I find this the last option for rationalization at most.

Others have suggested that all nova cannon are actually like this, and that 5000 km/s (which is barely 2% of c) actually represnts 'close to the speed of light' as seen with various other novels. Treating near-c as being loosely interpreted is also an option, but its not really any better than the others - for one thing it blatantly ignores ALL other interpretations, and it also forces the dismissal of the bombardment cannon from Execution Hour. What's more, it flat out contradicts Rogue Trader RPG (which gives them at least a velocity of tens of thousands of km/s at LEAST. Nevermind that BFG defines all direct fire weaponry - including nova cannon - as striking almost immediately across even tens of thousands of km...) So that option isn't any better.

The obvious answer is that this is yet another 'variant' of nova cannon tech, ranking up there with the energy cannon style nova cannons (like from Dark Creed - which was also defined as an 'exo laser') Maybe it was an experiment to make a faster firing nova cannon, or one that fires a heavier shell, or something. The main point is that it doesn't really reflect the 'standar'd of nova cannons.

the electrical things are a new kind of weapon, seemingly point defenes, and also effective at intercepting projectiles.
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Part 3 and the end


Page 391
Lance beams cut through spores and burned alien flesh before finally striking the reflective sails of the winged beasts that escorted the lightning spitters. The sails’ honeycombed structure dissipated much of the lance beams’ strength, rendering them harmless as they scored the structure of the refinery, but failed to penetrate its metal hide.
Another Tyranid defence, this against (laser) lances.


Page 391-392
“Keep firing,” ordered Tiberius, his voice strained.

“Aye, sir.”
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Her firepower, normally so fearsome in battle, was availing her nothing as every shell from her bombardment cannon was intercepted by a tyranid creature...
...
..the Argus canted to starboard. The massive vessel was slowly moving from the path of the oncoming refinery, but even without asking, he could tell they weren’t going to make it.
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Withering salvoes of massed gunnery from the defence monitors and system ships had prevented the approaching kraken from breaking their battle line, but nothing could halt the inexorable approach of the refinery.

“Estimated time to lethal range, Mister Viert?”

“Forty seconds, sir.”
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“Get us clear, Philotas,” ordered Tiberius. The closure speeds of the refinery and the Vae Victus was such that, in the time it would take to load and fire another shell from the bombardment cannon, the massive structure would be past them before the shell could arm itself.
...
Tiberius angled his stance as the prow of the strike cruiser rose and the refinery swiftly vanished from the viewing bay. The admiral could feel the deck shudder beneath him as its hull groaned under the pressure of such violent manoeuvring and the thump of fire from her broadsides and close-in guns as smaller tyranid organisms shearing from the refinery’s protective swarm threatened to overwhelm her.
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“Estimated time to lethal range, Philotas?”

“Twenty seconds, Lord admiral.”
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Salvoes of torpedoes exploded amongst the vanguard of the guardian swarm, killing alien organisms in their fiery blasts, but nothing could penetrate the thick mass of creatures forced to give up their existence in service of the hive mind. Less than sixty thousand kilometres separated the fleet from the refinery now. And at its current speed, that meant about ten seconds.
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Their doom filled the viewing bay, hurtling towards them with awful finality and, in the few seconds left to him...
The Imperials attempt to destroy the refinery, then evade before it detonates. The notable details are:

1.) A Victory class batlteship needs longer than 40 seconds to evade. A Strike cruiser can take 20 seconds to turn and evade. ASsuming it simply shifts sideways by retros (~1 km in 20 seconds) we're talking 5 gees lateral acceleration. If it turns it might be several times that. Turning within its own length would easily yield many tens of gees. The Victory, of course takes much longer, but I'm not rustring those sizes, since we dont know how big it is. I am basing the cruiser estimates on Rogue Trader sizes. For BFG sizes the results would be half.

2.) Bombardment cannon can reload and fire within 40 seconds. Indeed the shell can strike in that time as well. Which is far faster than a regular cannon. Arguably macro cannon should fire even faster, but it sets a lower limit on velocity (at 60,000+ km) of 1500 km/s for the shell.

3.) The fleets (including the Vae Victus) are firing their weapons, which include macro cannons. We know , especially in the VAe Victus' case, that it means shells travelling to the target within no more than 10-20 seconds (40 seconds, then 20 seconds, then 10) The ranges arnen't specifically given, but are greater than 60,000 km (stated) and less than 140,000 km (extrapolated form Nova cannon) For 10-20 seconds propogation time (for single shells) that yields between 3000-6000 km/s for 20s , and 7,000-14,000 km/s for 10s. The speed and ranges probably closer towards the high end because the 60,000 km range is after the 40-20s timeframe. Whats more, multiple salvos are certainly fired, and multiple impacts, meaning that the time between salvoes must be much shorter than I am assuming, and that also means the velocities are correspondingly greater.

In any event, a projectile velocity in the thousands or tens of thousands of km/s is defeinitely proven from this, which fits with other sources (Nightbringer, Execution Hour, Savage Scars, Rogue TRader RPG, BFG, etc.)

4.) The closing speeds between the battleships (big ships) and the refinery is a good 6000 km/s towards this point. This also means the macro cannon and bombardment cannon shells have to be travelling faster than this - many times faster really, for repeated salvos to be striking before the ships pass each other by, thereby reinforcing the point made in #3 about projectile velocities.

It goes without saying that the potential velocities here also make the 5000 kps speed for nova cannon a bit silly :P

KE of a 30 ton (approximately tank sized, although a bit on the light end) shell at 3000 km/s is 1e17 J of KE. At 6000 km/s it goes up to 5e17 J. If we assume 10,000 km/s its 1.5e18 J, and so on. :


Page 392
As the first beast punched through the armoured chemical tanks, the flaring, electric arcs flashed across the fuel chamber, instantaneously igniting the volatile hydrogen-plasma mix.
'chemical' plasma... yeah I'll let you contemplate that one :P


Page 393
vMetres-thick sheets of adamantium were vaporised in an instant as the plasma fire engulfed the ancient vessel
Implied thickness of armor plate on the battleship.


Page 393
Six defence monitors and as many system ships vaporised as their magazines and fuel stores exploded. The Cobras of Cypria squadron broke apart as their store of torpedoes cooked off in the launch bays,


Volatile fuel and munitions.


Page 393
The launch bays of the Kharloss Vincennes blazed as fuel stores caught light, the blast doors melting shut and rendering them unable to recover previously launched squadrons of fighters and bombers.
Carrier launch bays use blast doors.


PAge 395
All across the mountains, puffs of snow and rock were thrown skyward by the tremendous impacts of falling objects.
..
The clouds above flashed with purple lightning as spores burst within them, dispersing a multitude of contaminants and viruses that instantly began working to alter the climatological balance of the planet’s atmosphere. Heat built up rapidly, increasing the air pressure and causing actinic bolts of lightning to arc from cloud to cloud, dispersing them as a viscous, toxic rain.

In minutes, the newly risen sun was obscured by the sheer mass of spores falling from the heavens.
Tyranofroming in action, both in changing the atmospher and its biowarfare/chemical components. It's actually rather interesting that they create such violent, adverse storm weather in such relatively short periods of time. A thunderstorm is on the order of hundreds of kilotons, whilst a hurricane could be upwards of gigatons total. Either way its phenomenal when you consider this must be happening globally, and the fact that they are converting the planet from a winter enviroment to more of a summer-type.

And this is a side effect of the invasion. We've long known the Tyranoforming was an energy-intensive process to harvest all that mass.


Page 396
After burning virtually all their bodily energies in their initial surge of violence, and without reserves of fat, none could survive more than a few minutes before perishing.

But none of this mattered, for as each creature died and the hive mind became aware of the local conditions on the prey planet, it simply adjusted the biological physiology of its warrior organisms, enabling them to produce more insulating tissue and energy reserves that would allow them to survive for longer periods.
Rapid tyranid adaptions to extreme cold, transmitting data by psychic means. Also at least some (lesser) tyranid forms relying on body fat as a fuel source. One imagines they are VERY (ludicroulsy) efficient.


Page 396
Amid the loamy earth of the lower forests, the thick, biological rain soaked into the tree canopy and saturated the earth with its bacteria-laden substance. Microbes containing the genetic blueprint of tyranid fauna spread rapidly through the ground, assessing and digesting the chemical content of the soil before turning that energy into horrifyingly fast growth spurts.

Multicoloured fronds ripped their way through the silver bark of the trees and twisting vines and creepers surged from the moistened ground. Again, the cold of Tarsis Ultra dramatically shortened the plants’ lifespan, but as each leaf and creeper died, it vomited a host of fresh spores into the atmosphere and the cycle began again.

As each generation of plant went through its brief life cycle, the chemical reactions fermenting in the ground began raising the temperature of the surrounding air. Streamers of heated air drifted from the ground, warming the burgeoning plant life until the rate of growth was rising exponentially. Jagged spore chimneys of thick, vegetable matter broke through the hot earth and pushed skyward, their root structure burrowing through the permafrost to the nutrient-rich soil below. Hot steam and exhaust gasses from the biological conflagration below belched from the chimneys, sending yet more spores high into the atmosphere to be spread by the prevailing winds. As the atmosphere heated even more, strong updrafts of warm air rose, meeting the cold air descending from the mountaintops to create freak weather patterns that spread the contamination of the tyranid organisms even further.
More Tyranoforming. Again note how they're using rapidly accelerated growth to both alter the enviroment as well as heat up the climate as a side effect, messing with the atmosphere and baiscally turning the place from winter to summer.



Page 397
Ground-based batteries of defence lasers fired skyward and hundreds of orbital torpedoes roared into the upper atmosphere on blazing tail plumes.
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One of the greatest problems for ground-based laser weapons was the reduction in power they suffered over long distances, called “thermal blooming”. As a laser beam travels through the air, small quantities of its energy are lost to the surrounding atmosphere as heat, which causes disturbances in the air and disrupts the optical path of the beam. Not only does this impair accuracy, but it spreads the beam wider, thus weakening the energy delivered to its target. For the colossal energies produced by the defence lasers, this was not normally a problem, but each beam was passing through dozens of rapidly fluctuating temperature patches in the air, causing them to impact with greatly reduced power.

Many of the smaller organisms suffered at the hands of the defence lasers, but the majority of the tyranid creatures had little to fear from them.

...
Hundreds of torpedoes exploded amongst the bloated spore ships of the tyranid fleet...
...
...every torpedo found its mark in a tyranid creature. Within two hours, over five hundred confirmed kills had been reported by the silo commanders, along with desperate requests for additional ordnance to fire. Faced with so many targets, each silo exhausted its supply of weapons after another hour of firing.

Against any conventional invaders, the defences of Tarsis Ultra would have caused utter devastation and crippled any attempt to invade.
Defensive weapons firing on the 'Nids. Torpedoes are pretty straightforward - 3 hours worth of stock, implied at least close to 1000 (2 hrs and 500 confirmed kills, at least 250 for the third hour). Hundreds per salvo.

The defense lasers are a bit trickier. For one thing, the thermal blooming bit implies they behave a bit like real life lasers, and focal point matters for their ability to do damage. Except... las-weaponry is highly visible. Even in a vaccuum. So its not a perfect correlation betwene those weapons and I'm not quite sure how to handle it. It probably bleeds off some energy (and this would have implications about firepower but I can't even begin to guess. Regardless it seems to have enough impact to reduce the firepower against bigger 'Nids.



Page 397
...the hydro-skiff resembled a speeding silver bullet as it roared along the frozen surface of the hydroway. Its passenger compartments were laden with soldiers of the Logres regiment making their way back to Erebus, its speed approaching two hundred kilometres per hour as its giant, prop-driven engines hurled it along the frozen canal surface.
Hydro skiff troop transport. Probably reflects transport provided by the TArsis Ultra PDF to the garrison forces.


Page 400
Orders had been issued to all officers on tactical doctrine and the proper conduct to be followed during conflict with the tyranids. Experience bought with uncounted lives was even now circulating amongst the soldiers of Tarsis Ultra and Kryptman hoped that the sacrifice of those who had died to gather that information would not have been in vain.
Hey look! ADAPTING their tactics to fight the Tyranids, rather than rigidly sticking to tradition. UNTHINKABLE.


Page 401
Soldiers in dirty overwhites huddled in their dugouts, clustered around plasmawave generators, cooking their rations.
More plasma wave generators.. some sort of alternative cook fire.


Page 401
...the Capitol Imperialis of Colonel Octavius Rabelaq. Emblazoned with the heraldry of the Logres regiment, the massive rhomboid-shaped command vehicle rose nearly fifty metres from the ground. From here, Rabelaq could direct his soldiers and maintain command and control over the battle. Its tracks were wider than a road and four Leman Russ battle tanks could fit within the barrel of its main gun.
Capitol Imperialis. One of the few truly titan sized vehicle (aside from the Leviathan) that forge World hasn't chibified for the Guard (like the superheavies.) I actually have a hard time believing the cannon is as big as they claim. Even if the tanks are lined parallel along the barrel thats too fucking huge to be possible - something you'd see in an ordinatus.


Page 402
line. A thick, two-metre berm of snow had been built before the trench to absorb any incoming fire, since, rather than exploding away from projectiles like sand, snow would anneal under the impact and become a stronger, more effective barrier.
Snow defense against Tyranid weapons fire.


Page 404-405
Vadim nodded as an officer in a long, mud-stained Krieg greatcoat and a thick, furred colback studded with a lieutenant’s pips stalked down the trench.
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“Uh-oh, it’s Konarski,”
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“You!” snapped Konarski. “Why the hell aren’t you watching for the enemy?”
..
"You might single-handedly condemn us all to death with your carelessness. I’ll have you on report for this, you mark my words.”

Pavel groaned in frustration as Konarski fished out a battered, and obviously well-used, disciplinary infractions notebook and a worn-down nub of a pencil.

“Right then, soldier, name, rank and serial numb—”
Definitely not a Meat Droid.


Page 405
Ammunition trucks followed the tanks, each carrying three thousand shells in easyto- load ammo panniers, since a Hydra could pump out up to a thousand rounds a minute.
Ammo and ROF of hydra tanks.


Page 406
Pavel watched the aliens through the scope of his lasgun, the blinking red crosshairs flashing to green as the aliens entered the weapon’s lethal range.
PDF lasgun on Tarsis ultra with some sort of intelligent scope. McNeill may hate micro beads but he doesn't shirk on the other gear.


Page 406
He opened up on full-auto, filling the trench with bright lasbolts and cutting the creatures in two.
(probable) Gargoyles severed through the waists (presumably) by lasfire. This might be calcable, except we don't really know how many shots to do it or even the exact mechanism. I suppose if we assumed a 2 cm x 40 cm diameter area front to back and used flesh flaying flash burns we might figure on a number (32 kj per side, 64 kj for both sides) but that's just an approximation. It also doesn't account for the differences between a normal person and a Tyranid (carapace, toughened tisuses, greater mass, etc.) Assuming a few kj for a pulse and a 2-4 cm diameter wound, it might take 8-20 shots to do that, which again suggests double digit kj.

Again it's not a really accurate figure, but its impressive that they basically cut through two Tyranids with a full auto burst, even if it is just low end Tyranids.


Page 408-409
Snowdog let rip with a huge burst of fire from the heavy stubber, the shells cutting a hissing gargoyle in two...
...
Snowdog spun and braced himself, keeping his stance wide as he depressed the firing stud on the textured grip of the heavy stubber.

A metre-long tongue of fire leapt from the perforated barrel and annihilated the aliens in a blood-and-smoke stained cloud. Even braced, the recoil staggered Snowdog, the stream of shells ripping upwards and blasting chunks of the plaster ceiling loose.
Another man portable heavy stubber. Rather interesting that, like the lasgun quoted just above, it bisects a Gargoyle. Not that it neccesarily suggests a comparison, but if its one of the 'low end' stubbers (like an M60) that's not impossible either. And having a lasrifle equal to a modern machine gun is not neccesarily trivial either.


Page 409
“You see that one I got between the eyes?” snarled Trask. “Blew its Emperor-damned head clean off!”
Gun (projectile weapon probably) of unknonw type blowing a head ioff.


Page 411
...that a chitinous tide of unimaginable proportions was barely sixty kilometres to the west.

A conservative estimate of their speed of advance put the tyranid horde less than hour away.
Tyranids moving at least at 60 khp. Despite being ground based they're as mobile as many other 40K forces.


Page 414
He glanced at the nervous faces around him, seeing the regimental insignia of Krieg, Logres and Erebus Defence Legion units. Every face was wrapped in snow goggles, scarves and helmets, but he could sense the fear in all of them.
'
Kriegers, afraid? Having human emotions? INCONCEIVABLE.


Page 415
Hastily reconfigured to carry air-to-ground munitions following their landing on Tarsis Ultra, Captain Morten’s squadron of Furies were taking the fight back to the tyranids.
...
Erin Harlen’s Fury looped overhead, the bombs on his centre pylon pickling off in sequence..
These furies seem to have extenral racks. IIRC from the Deathwatch novels Goto wrote, they had internal bays. Could they use both?


Page 417
Realising there wasn’t much he could do to scratch this monster, he switched targets as a hissing alien, having finally climbed the carpet of dead, planted its claws in the top of the snow berm. He shot it full in the face, blowing its head off and leaving its body anchored to the trench by its long talons.
Tyranid creature headsploded by a lasgun bolt. At least several times more powerful than headsploding a human, which itself is single to double digit kj range at least (depending on mechanism. Triple digit isn't impossible, either (for example a 20-25 cm skull hit by flaying flash burn analogue would be 150-200 kj)


Page 426
...as the temperature dropped to twenty below freezing, most of the tyranids froze to death where they stood.

Some survived by burrowing into the depths of the snow, where their increased reserves of fat allowed them to enter a form of short-lived hibernation, but these were few and far between. There were not, however, the resources to hunt them down as the subzero temperatures prohibited all but the most essential movements among the defenders.
Imperial/Tyranid reactions to cold weather... Note that the Tyranids manage to adapt to this with successive assaults.


Page 426
But with aerial reconnaissance promising yet more incoming swarms, at least triple the size of this vanguard, and each counting towering beasts that rivalled the size of Battle Titans among their number...
BAttle-titan sized 'Nids. Pretty sure these aren't the chibi titans of Imperial Armour fame.


Page 427
Hooded servitors sat immobile before their consoles, insulated bundles of cables snaking from the backs of their robes to sockets in the grilled floor.
...
Sputtering recyc-units tried to keep the atmosphere cool, but the temperature in the command bridge was still stifling.
...
A holo-map with a rippling green representation of the landscape surrounding Erebus filled the centre of the columned chamber, grainy static washing through the image every few seconds. Information received from various sources fed into the display, picking out Imperial units and positions of incoming swarms.
Command bridge of the Capitol imperialis.


Page 428
“The Shadow in the Warp is still making astropathic communication impossible, but we have been able to make brief contact with Lord Admiral Tiberius over the long-range vox-caster. Communications are still very fragmentary and we are having trouble maintaining the link through the electromagnetic interference generated by the hive fleet.”
Tyranid comms jamming.


Page 429
Reluctantly, Colonel Stagler nodded, though Uriel could see it irked him to give ground, even when it would be suicide to stand and fight.

“The Krieg regiment will provide the rearguard for the retreat,” he said, almost spitting the words
Kriegers still don't retreat, meat driods or not.


Page 431
Its flesh rippled a silvery grey as its chameleonic scales mirrored the surfaces around it...
...
Its reserves of fatty tissue were low and it would need to kill again to replenish them, the freezing temperatures of Tarsis Ultra almost too much for even its fearsome adaptive qualities to cope with.
Lictor in cold-weather enviroments.


Page 434
Three orderlies held down a screaming Krieg Guardsman, his legs nothing more than thrashing stumps..
Another non Meatdroid Krieg. He's in a medical facility, and he's expressing emotion.


Page 435
...his upper shoulder and neck wrapped tightly in a plasflesh bandage.
Imperial bandage.


Page 436
Pavel Leforto had a family to cleave to, a home to defend and a future to protect.

Things he could never have.

Replacing the picture, Uriel removed a purity seal from his armour and set it on Pavel’s chest
Context of the scene: PDF trooper saves Uriel's life, Uriel saves his life. Uriel comes to show his respect and thanks by giving a seal off his armour. Symbolism evident in Tarsis Ultra soldier saving Guilliman. Niiice.

It also highlights Uriel contemplating the sacrifices he made t become an Ultramarine, and if they were worth it (contrasted with the life and family and sense of continuity PAvel himself has. It's actually interesting to have an Ultramarine who might be jealous of a normal man, simply for having a normal life.)


Page 436
Uriel took a shuddering breath and said, “I am afraid that I may soon lose sight of what it is to serve you, that I am not worthy of your love.”

“No, Captain Ventris,” said a voice behind him. “All who serve the Emperor are worthy of that.”

Uriel spun, rising to his feet. Sister Joaniel stood framed in the light from the window...
This is the start of a small interlude between the Hospitaller and Uriel. Basically he confesses his fears WRT Nightbringer infecting him and she counsels him as she has always done with warriors. It's another of those nice Astartes-human interactions McNeill seems to have a gift for, especially since it proves pivotal in teaching Uriel a lesson and helping him resolve his issues. Even the badass Space Marines need help sometimes.


Page 439
As the provosts attempted to sort out the logjam of vehicles, a swirling black cloud, fully a kilometre wide, appeared on the horizon far to the east, swooping and screeching low over the peaks of the high valley. Warning sirens blared and the city’s guns opened fire.
Implies city defence guns have horizon range. Probably antiaircraft guns. Given the 15 km range for similar guns in Nightbringer, this is hardly shocking.


Page 439-440
“Shit,” said Konarski and unslung his lasgun from his shoulder
...
“Sir!” called his vox-operator. “We’re not evacuating?”

Casting his gaze along the line of the trench and seeing other Krieg officers pushing their men onto the trench’s firing step, he said, “No, son, we’re not.”
...
“We’re the Death Korp of Krieg, son. Did you think that was just a pretty name? We never retreat. We fight and we die, that’s the Krieg way.”
Non meatdriod Krieg, but stubborn (and foolish) in their own way. But they do swear and worry, so at least they die in some style (such as it is) rather than being faceless, silent dehumanised meat droids.


Page 440
Hundreds of spines fired with monstrous muscular contractions hammered the trenches, punching through metres of snow to skewer both men and tanks.
Spine penetration implied.


Page 440
...curled forelimbs hurled fleshy podswhich burst in lethal sprays of razor-sharp bone and bio acids.


Tyranid Grenades (and launchers) I guess.


Page 441
Konarski punched the firing studs and a four-metre tongue of flame roared from the muzzles to strafe the sky with fiery explosions. The gun rocked with powerful recoil, pumping out hundreds of shells every few seconds.
Hydra gun. rate of fire and propellant exhuast. 65-100 rounds a second.


Page 442
Konarski grabbed whatever men he could find through the stinking clouds of alien fumes, hauling them back towards the city wall.

They had done as much as they could, and it was time to get his men to safety.
Krieg don't retreat. But they do execute strategic withdrawls. So I guess this means they won't fight to the last man, which again puts them far above the Meat Droids on the humanity scale.


Page 443
Colonel Stagler kept the compress bandage tight against his stomach, dizzy from blood loss, but unwilling to accept medical attention until he knew the fate of his men.
..
His men were probably lost, but they had died in the Krieg manner: fighting hard and dying well.
Oh boy are these SO not Meat Droid Krieg. They actually give a damn about their troops.


Page 443
..rushed to the surveyor station, where dozens of small pict-slates displayed images from the external viewers.
...
Hundreds of short-range bolters fired a continuous stream of explosive shells into the alien horde...
Close range guns and surveyors of the Capitol Imperialis.


Page 444
“All power to the auto loaders! Fire the main gun, for the Emperor’s sake. Now!”
Unsurprisingly, the C.I, main gun needs an autoloader.


Page 444
Even through metres of adamantium deck and noise suppressors, he felt the thunderous recoil of the Behemoth cannon.
Fires on some sort of bio-titan I guess. Also 'metres' of decking.. which might be thickness. And this is probably one of the higher levels of the C.I.


Page 444
He willed the gunnery overseer to whip his men harder and get the damn gun loaded. Forcing himself to look away from the panel, he watched in horror as the tyranid monster reared up again, the flesh already reknitting where their shells had struck it. Ichor no longer spilled from its belly and already new strands of muscle and tissue were slithering along the wounded leg to reconnect severed tendons and bone.
Despite having an autoloader there is still a gun crew of some kind. Also bio-titan regeneration.


Page 445-446
A huge mushroom cloud blossomed skyward as the combined weight of fire finally penetrated into the heart of the Capitol Imperialis and detonated the plasma reactor deep inside.

Streamers of unbearably bright light streaked from the wreck as the plasma chambers ignited and vaporised everything within half a kilometre. As the light faded, Uriel saw a deep crater, filled with hissing, molten flesh. The fatally wounded bio-titan floundered in a magma-hot soup of plasma, ice flashing to superheated steam and scalding its bones bare of flesh.
The C.I. Had a plasma reactor. A rather powerful one at that. 1 km crater of ice and snow melted/vaporized.. that's going to be easiyl nuclear yields (kiloton-megaton range.)


Page 447
Each assault would begin with a barrage of crackling bio-shells fired from bloated creatures with pumping bony frills around their heads, whose fused forelimbs had evolved into vast, ribbed cannons.
Some sort of artillery platform for the 'Nids?


Page 447
Few tyranid species could survive at night without protection when the temperature plummeted to forty below zero..
More limits on this Hive fleet's cold weather resilience.



Page 448
Electrical fires and gouts of poisonous flame, chittering devourer creatures and bony shrapnel bombs...
...
Barely anything remained of its parapet and the smaller creatures had entered another evolutionary iteration, spontaneously developing fleshy tendons equipped with jagged hooks that enabled them to scale the sheer surfaces of the walls.
Tyranids weapons and 'spontaneous' evolution in a realtively short time, allowing them to scale walls with flesh hooks.


Page 449
But as he and Learchus marched towards the wall, he was filled with love for the soldiers who stood defiant before the tide of alien invaders. Here was the spirit of Ultramar best exemplified. In the common man, who stood tall against the horrors of the galaxy and was willing to die to protect what he believed in.
Uriel again tkaing pride in common men for rising above themselves and acting like warriors.


Page 450
"The torpedo silos expended their stocks of ordnance and the defence lasers fired until their power capacitors were dry.”
Orbital defence lasers seem to run on capacitors of osme kind. This is a plot point.


Page 451
"The oath of brotherhood sworn between your world and mine at the dawn of the Imperium binds us together more surely than the strongest chains of adamantium.”

Learchus raised his fist and shouted, “You are warriors of Ultramar, and I am proud to call you brothers.”
And.. Learchus own little subplot reaches one of its climaxes. He has earned the respect of (and learned to respect) the humans he watches over and protects, and as he promised he shows that respect to them at last. It shows he's come a long way from that pretentious twit he was to begin with. Heck I rather liked him throughout this novel much more than I did in Nightbringer (although he was hardly horrible in Nightbringer either. Its just here he's had a chance ot learn as much as Uriel has.)


PAge 452
...high-calorie Imperial ration packs designed for winter operations were stretched to feed entire families.
Imperial Guard cold weather rations.


Page 455
barbed tendons lashed out, skewering his bolter. The weapon exploded as the propellant in the ruptured shells ignited and Bannon fell back, his gauntlets melted in the blast.

assuming 1-2 kg iron gauntlets for the Deathwatch Captain, we're talking both being melted in 2-5 MJ or so. Assuming a full magazine of 60 shells (one of hte larger mags) and ignoring omnidirectional effects each shell carries at least 34-83 KJ of potential energy - in propellant at least, but this may also include explosive component despite that not explicitly mentioned. and this is a lower limit - it could indeed be several times higher (30 round clip, omnidirectional blast, different materials can push it higher.) although the fact its propellant means that only a fraciton of that probably will manifest as KE in the round (less if it is propelllant + explosive, or if the propellant serves both functions as it sometimes might.. say 1/5 to 1/10th?)

Still the impllied firepower potential is well above a full powered round and quite probably above a HMG round. On the other hand this is Deathwatch weaponry so it may also be better than standard.


Page 456-457
Uriel said, “Bolter-link,” and sighted carefully along the barrel of his weapon.

Range vectors and an aiming reticule appeared on his visor, designating the point his shell would impact. He waited until the dot flashed red and pulled the trigger.
...
The lictor screeched in frustration as its flesh hooks were blown clear of the rocks and it tumbled hundreds of metres down the side of the mountain to slam into the ground with a sickening thud.

The lictor pushed itself groggily to its feet..
Uriel's bolt pistol and its super duper targeting function, which seems to be a specialized mode above what they usually have (or either they don't alway suse it in combat.) Bolt pistol with implied range of hundreds of metres or so as well.


PAge 461
..“she’s still over fifty tonnes.”

“We need her at forty, Brother Harkus,” reminded Bannon.

“Don’t you think I know that!” said Harkus in exasperation. “But I’m a Techmarine, not a miracle-worker: I can’t change the laws of aerodynamics."
They stirpped some 80 tonnes out of a Thunderhawk. Why is explained shortly.


Page 461-462
Snowdog quickly changed power cells on his lasgun,...
...
...Snowdog opened up on full auto, cutting two in half and blowing another one’s legs clean off.
More lasfire bisecting nids (same calcs as before) and blowing a leg off (which, if its single bolts, could be double digit kj.)


Page 465
Already tyranid mutagenic viruses were working to raise the temperature of Tarsis Ultra for ease of consumption.
More climate manipulation by the 'Nids.


Page 465-466
From the outside it was nothing remarkable, simply an oversized rockcrete bunker some thirty metres square, with an armoured blast door leading within. A hemispherical dome topped with eight long gun barrels squatted atop the bunker, its bronze surface streaked with oxides.


Four lifter-servitors struggled under the weight of cargo pallets while Magos Gossin and his three drenched Adeptus Mechanicus tech-priests hitched up their robes and hurriedly made their way towards the bunker. Behind them, the servitors carried the precious cargo, fully charged capacitors to power the defence lasers, into the bunker with the utmost care.
...
...eventually the last of the charged capacitors was unloaded from the belly of the Thunderhawk..
...
..the Adeptus Mechanicus should be hooking them up to the main power grid.
They stripped down and converted the thunderhawk to carry defence laser powercells. If we assume that the differecne in mass between the stripped down and 'full' thunderhawk represents the mass of the power cells, they must have hauled close to 100 tonnes of batteries out to the defence lasers.

It's also worth noting this is not a particularily large defence laser such as they go, but it is clearly an anti-ship one. 30 metres square suggests 30x30 metres, rather than 30 meters square. (CF discussion of 'metres square vs square metres' mentioned in Battlefleet Koronous. There is a difference.)


Page 466-467
Without many of their targeting auguries, gunnery was a far from exact science and only his and Philotas’s experience gave them any chance of scoring hits on their foe.
..
"Engage with port batteries.”
“We won’t hit much without the targeting surveyors.”
Spaceship gunnery - at least in Ultramarines craft, relies greatly on targeting sensors.


Page 470
Armoured and sheathed in double layers of adamantium, the door weighed over four tonnes, and was normally closed by means of hydraulic pistons, but Uriel and Bannon pulled it shut in seconds, desperation lending their limbs extra strength.
Assuming a 2 metre tal, 1 metre wide, and 30 cm thick door, the average density is some 6667 kg*M^3.


Page 472
The guns were firing automatically now and would continue to do so until the capacitors they had brought ran dry.
Autofiring defense lasers.


Page 478
Larger creatures skidded across its hull, tearing and biting through her metal hide with acidic saliva and diamond-hard teeth.
Diamond hard tyranid teeth.


PAge 482-483
“Using the lictor’s genetic sequence, I was able to isolate the base strands of this splinter fleet’s original mutation. With that ‘key’, if you will, I was able generate a massive over-stimulation of its adaptive processes. In effect, I drove it into a frenzy of hyper-evolution that not even a tyranid’s body could stand. A lictor’s genetic structure is normally extremely stable, hence the infection took a little longer to take effect than I anticipated.."
...
“Each hive fleet’s gene sequence is vastly different and it was only due to the capture of such an early generation of creature that we were able to isolate this hive fleet’s genetics at all.”
Basically, its an effective weapon, but its specailized against specific 'fleets' and even then only early generations (up to a point, in this case lower than 6th generation) are likely to be affected.



Page 490-491
The majority of these had been simple warrior organisms bred to fly, but nine had been much more.

Secreted in the deepest caves, the gargoyle brood-mothers had obeyed the overmind’s command to nest and produce more of its kin. Driven into a frenzy of reproduction, the brood mothers had since expired, but not before giving birth to thousands upon thousands of offspring.
Hyper-reproduced Gargoyles. Probably in a matter of days.


Page 496
Kryptman had said that a hive ship was a massive agglomeration of creatures blended into one gestalt beast that formed the over-mind.
Composition of hive ships.


Page 499
He heard the White Scar’s screams over the vox as the spores devoured him from within, his filters and rebreathers no defence against such a deadly attack
Another sneaky form of Tyranid chem/biowarfare attack.


Page 505
“I shall hold you to that promise, brother-captain. I will need a saga of your bravery to take back with me to the Fang.”

Uriel was struck by the undiminished optimism of the Deathwatch. Despite their losses and the scale of the task before them, not one had uttered a single sentiment that suggested that they did not believe utterly that they would prevail.

He slapped a palm on Henghast’s shoulder guard and said, “When we return to Tarsis Ultra I shall share the victory wine with you and tell you all about Pavonis.”

“Wine! Pah, wine is for women. We will drain a barrel of Fenrisian mead and you will wake with a hangover like continents colliding.”
Gotta love Henghast. Space wolf to the core. And also the generally upbeat approach of the Deathwatch in this novel despite the serious situation.


Page 507-508
The sight of the Norn Queen was something that Uriel would never forget for as long as he lived. The creature was massive, easily the size of a Battle Titan, its bulk filling the chamber with countless means of producing its monstrous offspring.
...
Huge pools of protoplasmic ooze bubbled and burst with motion as screeching infant beasts were drooled from its surface along bony chutes to begin growing almost as soon as they hit the ground. Thousands of gelatinous incubation larvae hung from resinous mucus on the great arched ceiling...
...
The Norn Queen itself was as much a part of the bio-ship as an individual creature.
Norn queen and primary means of 'Nid reproduction.


Page 508
...Inquisitor Kryptman had assured him that hrud fusil technology was simply a symbiosis of melta and plasma technology.
Hrud fusils. IIRC they're mentioned as firing 'warp plasma' as well. how that fits with hybrid melta/plasma weapons...


PAge 517
He could tell them nothing, because there had been no artificer. The arm had repaired itself.
Pasanius' magic augmetic. Infected with necrodermis/living metal courtesy of Nightbringer. Shows the 'infectious' side of Necron tech.


Page 518
“You were poisoned by tyranid phage cells that attacked the Larraman cells in your bloodstream. The poison caused your blood to clot on a bodily scale and your hearts failed, clogged with agglomerated blood. Clinically, you were dead..."
...
"...administer a massive dose of anticoagulants and begin infusions of fresh blood. Pasanius almost killed himself providing you with enough blood to keep you alive long enough to get you here."
Another sneaky Tyranid bioweapon.


Page 519 Spoiler
Uriel had sacrificed his chance to experience such a life the instant he had become an Ultramarines novice.

And knowing this, would he have been so willing to become a Space Marine had he realised the enormity of what he was sacrificing to become one of the Emperor’s elite?
...
In giving up the chance for a normal life, he had gained something far greater. The chance to make a difference. The chance to stand defiant before the enemies of Mankind and hold back the tide of degenerate aliens, traitorous heretics and servants of Chaos that sought dominion over the Emperor’s realm.
...
He had sacrificed his chance to be truly human and, yes, he stood apart from the mass of Humanity, but countless lives would have been lost but for his sacrifice.

That was a noble gift and he was thankful for what and who he was.
This isn't quite as spectacular an ending as with Nightbringer, but it is quite satisfying in its own way, and it fits the overall concept and theme of the story. Uriel, as well as others like Learchus have learned and grown in their own ways. Their experiences have changed them, but they have ultimately come through them better. In Uriel's case, he has come to terms with his doubts and fears and questions whilst retaining some of the elements that make him him - his humility, his nobility, even the idealism to some degree.
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Connor MacLeod wrote:Page 439-440
“Shit,” said Konarski and unslung his lasgun from his shoulder
...
“Sir!” called his vox-operator. “We’re not evacuating?”

Casting his gaze along the line of the trench and seeing other Krieg officers pushing their men onto the trench’s firing step, he said, “No, son, we’re not.”
...
“We’re the Death Korp of Krieg, son. Did you think that was just a pretty name? We never retreat. We fight and we die, that’s the Krieg way.”
Non meatdriod Krieg, but stubborn (and foolish) in their own way. But they do swear and worry, so at least they die in some style (such as it is) rather than being faceless, silent dehumanised meat droids.
Under the circumstances, refusing to retreat isn't stupid or foolish; attempting to would be. If the Krieg forces had tried retreating, bearing in mind that there are Tyranids pretty much in contact with them, they'd have been caught out in the open and butchered - staying put at least afforded them defences to fight from.
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I was commenting less on the circumstances of this particular retreat and more his 'we never retreat'. Stopped clock right twice a day and all that. :P
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Now we're up to 'Dead Sky, Black Sun' This is the start of what I term the 'Honsou' phase of the Ultramarines novels, and like anything involving Honsou directly, its questionable in quality. I used to think it ws that I just didnt like Iron WArriors, but IT hink its just honsou, because McNeill did well in Angel Exterminatus. I just don't knwo why, but Honsou is a terrible character, a terrible villain. He's uninteresting, his plans seem silly compared to other Chaos villains, and he seems to have nothing driving him than I MUST DESTROY. I mean even Marduk has more depth and more grandiose plans that inflict greater devastation. He's a joke, and he tends to really drag down the series. I found this novel very hard to get through.

The only positive part of it really was the unfleshed, and thats largely because they were setting up for 'Killing Ground' (Although I think its more that Killing Ground makes up for DSBS) because it plays on the notion of 'Chaos' and 'good and bad' in a way you find rarely outside of a Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Ghosts novel or the Ben Counter Gray Knights books. I give Graham full marks for that.

Single update since there wasn't alot there. This also represents the last of the Omnibus updates, I'll go back to regular novels after this.


page 523
..both daemon-visaged Titans, hung with the blighted banners of the Legio Mortis, raised fearsome guns—capable of laying waste to cities—to track a dozen figures who dared approach the gate.
(Battle) Titan guns


Page 529
[quoteEven though it had been nearly two years since Pasanius had lost his arm fighting beneath the world against an ancient star-god..[/quote]

Two years since Nightbringer.


Page 532
...Tarsis Ultra. He still had perfect recall of the horrific battles fought on that ice-locked industrial world..
Tarsis ultra defined as an 'industrial' world.


Page 532
Uriel shook his head. “No, I do not believe that Lord Calgar would have placed this death oath upon us if he thought we could not honour it,” he said. “It may take many years, but there is always hope.”
Uriel doesn't seem to think it would take very long, since he treats 'years' as being worst case scenario.. and they havne't even left the system yet.


Page 533
...Learchus, one of his most courageous sergeants, had reported Uriel’s flagrant breaches of the Codex’s teachings to the High Masters of the Chapter.

Tried before the great and good of the Ultramarines, Uriel and Pasanius had waived their right to defend themselves, instead accepting the judgement of Marneus Calgar to prevent their example passing down the chain of command. The penalty for such heresy could only be death, but rather than waste the lives of two courageous warriors who might yet bring ruin to the enemies of the Emperor, the Chapter Master had bound them to a death oath.
The premise of the current book, much of the 'politicking' happening off screen in the short story consequences. Honestly it feels more like what happened with Ragnar in the Space Wolf novels, which means politics (esp with Sicarius.. which is pretty funny considering how much he plays fast and loose with the Codex in the Nick Kyme novels..) It just feels really contrived and silly, even if you factor in 5th edition Ultramraines Logic. Or with the transition between Legacy and Blind with the Calpurnia novels. Ideaus, Sicarius, etc. don't hold to the letter of the Codex all the way, but if Uriel breaks from it, in a way someone doesn't like.. DEATH!

I also think it pretty much just ends up diverging too much from what happened with the first two novels, and not in a good way. Uriel and Pasanius get tossed out on their asses for all of two books, and then they're back as if nothing had happened. It feels.. trivial.


Page 534
It had been five days since the bulk lifter had broken orbit with Macragge and used its conventional plasma drives to journey to the Masali jump point.
at least 5 days to reach the jump point, wherever it is. AS it is accel won't be stupendous nor will velocity.. hundreds perhaps a few thousand c, since it isnt finished yet (a few days more yet, at least.)


Page 534
..he and Pasanius were, aboard a vessel rammed to the gunwales with regiments of Imperial Guard bound for Segmentum Obscurus and the wars that had erupted in the wake of the Despoiler’s invasion of Imperial space.
IG troops from ultramar are being dispatched to the EYe to help out. We dont know the exact time spent, but perhaps months or years. If we take Uriel's ocmments about duration earlier, 'years' is probably an overestimate.. a year or less. That would mesh with the transits in the LAst Chancers omnibus, at least. Tens of thousands of c seems likely, at a minimum.


Page 537
But the regiments currently being transported within the ship’s gargantuan hull had been raised in Ultramar, and those trained within the military barracks of the Ultramarines’ realm were used to a far harsher discipline than that enforced by the ship’s crew and armsmen.
Regiments from Utlramar again.


Page 537
The gymnasia was a vast, stone columned chamber, fully ninety metres from sanded floor to arched ceiling and at least a thousand wide. An entire regiment or more could comfortably train in shooting, close-quarter combat, infiltration, fighting in jungle terrain or the nightmare of city-fighting. These dedicated arenas were sectioned off throughout the gymnasia, fully realised environments where thousands of soldiers were receiving further training before reaching their intended warzone far in the galactic north-west.
Training facilities onboard ship. That would imply at least weeks, probably months, although years wouldn't be impossible either. There's also time dilation...

Also there's multiple arenas apparently throughout the ship, impyling the transport, carrying multiple (many?) regiments, is kilometres long at least. More possibly kilometres wide... suggesting a large escort or small cruiser at least, if not large cruiser/small battleship scale.


Page 547
Roaring from the newly formed tunnel mouth like a brazen juggernaut of the end times, the Omphalos Daemonium shrieked along the bloodtracks towards the horrified Space Marines.

Vast bone-pistons drove it forward, iron and steel flanks heaving with immaterial energies. Bloody steam leaked from every demented, skull-faced rivet as wheels of tortured souls ground the tracks beneath it to feast on the oozing blood of the dead earth.

Deep within its insane structure, it might have once resembled an ancient steamdriven locomotive, but unknown forces and warped energies had transformed it into something else entirely. The thunder of its arrival could be felt by senses beyond the pitiful five known to humankind, echoing through the planes that existed and intersected beyond the veil of reality.
Demon train from 'Enemy of my Enemy' short story.


Page 566-567
Uriel closed his eyes and recited the verses taught to him by Apothecary Selenus that began the hormonal activation of the sus-an membrane, an organ implanted within his brain tissue during his transformation into a Space Marine. He took deep breaths, regulating his breathing and forcing his heart rate to slow. What he was doing was extremely dangerous, normally requiring many hours of meditation and the correct prayers, but Uriel knew they didn’t have time for such preparations.

Uriel could feel his hearts pounding in his chest, their rhythmic beats slowing. Forty beats a minute, thirty, twenty, ten…
..
He could hear Pasanius repeating the same mantras, knowing that they had to move and reach the cave before the organ activated fully and plunged them into a state, of complete suspended animation and their hearts stopped beating completely.
...
He staggered inside, gasping a great lungful of air. His chest was a raging inferno as his hearts suddenly leapt from a virtual standstill to their normal rhythm in a matter of moments.
Attempting to use some sort of 'middle state' in their sus-an membranes to control their heart rates to avoid detection from daemon creatures, without falling into a coma.



Page 573
A blast of superheated air whooshed between the stumps of the merlons, hurling Honsou from his feet and vaporising the top half of one of his Iron Warriors.
IW torso vaped. Your ugess is as good as mine as to wha weapon did it.


Page 573
It had been a lucky impact and Honsou felt a thrill of adrenaline course through his body at the near miss. Ever since the siege on Hydra Cordatus, he had craved the fire and thunder of battle once more.The fighting on Perdictor II upon his return to the Eye of Terror had been desultory and unsatisfying, the warriors of the Despoiler proving no match for his advance forces.
Yes, Honsou is THAT Badass.... :eyeroll: The really funny thing is much of this early part of the novel basically depicts Honsou as being some combat addicted nutcase -he fights simply for the sake of fighting and just to prove himself superior. so much for that 'long war' crap, eh?


Page 574
..Honsou’s personal champion, a tall, slender warrior in power armour so dark and non-reflective that he moved like a liquid shadow. His voice was a ghostly monotone, his face a crawling mass of bio-organic circuitry that ran like mercurial fire beneath his dead skin and made his eyes shine with a lifeless, silver sheen.
...
The Iron Warrior, if he could even still be called such, was a shunned figure, the daemonic presence within him making him outcast even amongst his own warriors. Though his human side still held sway in the symbiotic relationship with the daemon bound to his flesh, its diabolical presence was unmistakable.
Onyx, Honsou's champion. Some sort of Obliterator creature, perhaps? A cybernetic daemon?



Page 582
Uriel briefly removed his helmet to cough up a mouthful of brackish phlegm, its substance black and stringy. His enhanced metabolism enabled him to survive such pollutants in the air, but didn’t make them any less unpleasant.

Several times they had been forced to traverse hissing rivers of molten metal as they flowed along great basalt culverts towards the smelteries and forges on the plains below. The heat of the mountains was growing and great geysers of scalding steam and hot ash spewed from vents and cracks in the rock. Were it not for their blessed power armour and bioengineered physiology, neither Uriel nor Pasanius could possibly have survived the journey.
Astartes armour and physiology protecting against adverse (volcano-like?) conditions on the Iron Warriors daemon world.



Page 583
"...all I have learned of the Iron Warriors from Librarian Tigurius leads me to believe that they are consumed by bitterness and malice, not given to capricious whims. Whoever is attacking this fortress is doing so for more than their amusement.”
Someone should tell 'outside the Box' Honsou about that.



Page 584
...a tall, armoured tower reared into the sky, thick iron girders and cable stays supporting a monstrous assembly that resembled the head of some gargantuan daemonic creature.
Daemon gun tower.



PAge 585
They’re taking them to the skinning platform. No, no…” said Uriel. “But why?”

“Does it matter?” snarled Pasanius, gripping his flamer tightly his silver finger hovering over the ignition key. “We can’t let this horror go unpunished!”

Uriel nodded, feeling his hatred for the Iron Warriors reach new heights, but he forced himself to try and remain calm. To attack this column was suicide, they were directly in front of the bunkers and the gun tower, not to mention three Iron Warriors.

But to let such an affront against humanity go unmolested? To allow these traitors to butcher these people as though they were no more than animals?

Pasanius was right, such evil would not stand.
Well at least some things are still the same...



Page 588
The tower shook violently, as though seeking to dislodge its attacker, but the dark armoured warrior drove his lightning claws into the daemon head and hung on. He swung around the tower, slashing at the thick cables that held it in place before bracing his feet against its cheek and pushing off. His jump jets fired as the melta charge he had placed on the daemon head detonated and he flew clear on the bow wave of an explosion that vaporised the top of the tower in a pluming mushroom cloud of incandescent energy.
Daemon tower head thingy seems to be roughly the same size as the Jump pack equipped marine. Assuming rock, and a 2 m or so diameter, and 90% empty space we're talking about a ton or so of mass. To vaproize it would require... 12 GJ or so for silicon (approximately.) ASsumign that's literally vaproization of course. Blowing it apart would be much less (single/double digit MJ maybe?)



Page 591
Fattened up artificially so the skin might stretch to obscene proportions, then ultra-rapidly divested of their bulk that they might be skinned to provide swathes of fresh skin.

But why? Why would anyone go to such lengths to harvest such vast quantities of human skin?
Oh that Diabolical Honsou! Normal people would just like, you know.. clone the shit (the way Fabius does.) Or even just clone more humans and skin then. Not honsou, he takes a long period of time to FATTEN THEM UP and then skin them. That's Honsou's outside-the-box thinking, for you.

(To be fair to McNeill, I do think its a rather.. different.. way to do it. ana ppropriately bizarre, Chaos way. But it just doesn't work with Honsou. Whether thats just my personal bias speaking or because of what Honsous GRAND PLAN is... it just.. doesn't.. work.)



Page 594
“We let them die,” said Uriel darkly. “We abandoned them. We might as well have killed them ourselves.”

“We couldn’t have saved them, but we can avenge them.”
“How?” said Uriel.
“By living,”
And Uriel is forced to compromise his ideals again.

Page 595
Belching manufactorum had been erected on the plains and the pounding clang of industry was a constant refrain in the air. Glowing, orange-lit forges constantly churned out shells, guns and the materiel of war, and Honsou knew that their production rates would put the finest Imperial forge world to shame. He saw the huge silhouettes of Titans on the horizon, their diabolical forms dwarfing everything around them. They could do little but act as gun platforms for now...
Implied (mobile) weapons maufactory. and titan Horizon ranges. The mobile factories would be an intresting asset in wartime.


Page 598
...an Iron Warrior with a heavily augmented head and arms climbed from the artillery pit. Red lights winked on his helmet, fitted with range-finders, trajectorum and cogitators, and Honsou knew he looked upon one of Berossus’s Chirumeks. More machine to him than man, the practitioner of the black arts of technology scanned him up and down before a huge gun affixed to his back swung around on a hissing armature and aimed at them.
Chaos Techmarine, I'd guess.


page 600
He rolled away and lurched to his feet, still dazed from the concussive impact of the Titan’s foot when the grenades he had dropped into the magazine detonated.

The ground heaved and bellowed, huge geysers of flame and smoke ripping from the ground as hundreds of tonnes of buried ordnance exploded in a terrifyingly powerful conflagration. Honsou was lifted into the air and swatted for a hundred metres or more by the blast, slamming into an earthen rampart and rolling into a pile of excavated soil.
...
He turned as he heard a groaning sound and saw the Titan that had destroyed the gun pit sway like a drunk, its leg destroyed from the knee down by the magazine’s explosion. Sparks and plasma fire vented from shattered conduits and sparking cables.
'hundreds' of tonnes of exploding ordnance of unknonw type (but presumably high explosive at least) goes off, and blasts the leg off a Chaos Titan of unkonw type in the process. I say 'hundreds' because it depends on whether oyu take it literally or figuratively, and it depends on also whether you take 'tonnes' as units of explosive equivalent, or as mass. And then there's the issue of whether or not voids were involved or not....



Page 602
Howling Griffons, White Consuls, Wolf Brothers, Crimson Fists and many others he did not recognise.
The Wolf brothers apparently degenerated as a whole, but at least some survived and have gone renegade. Given how they degenerated genetically that's not surprising. Other sources have hinted at Wolf Brothers going renegade othe rthan this case.,



Page 604
But more than this, he spoke of noble courage. He spoke of a warrior named Eshara, a Space Marine of the Imperial Fists, and the sacrifice he and his men had made before the Valedictor Gate. Uriel felt a fierce pride well within him at the thought of such a noble warrior standing before impossible odds, and wished he could have met such a brave hero.

But ultimately, the story did not end well.
Uriel shows respect for Eshara, the Fists captain from Storm of Iron.



Page 606
“I am Seraphys of the Blood Ravens, and I served in my Chapter’s Librarium in the years before my disgrace."
Graham Mcneill wrote the 'Index Astartes' Article for the Blood Ravens IIRC.


Page 606-607
"It is said that once it was an ancient and powerful daemon prince, a servant of the Blood God that existed only for slaughter. The skulls it piled before its dark master were legion but always one creature ever outdid it, one of the Blood God’s most favoured avatars, a daemon known as the Heart of Blood: so terrible it was said to have the power to summon bloodstorms and drain the vital fluid from its victims without even laying a blade to their flesh.”
...
“This avatar was a daemon of deadly artifice who forged for itself a suit of armour into which it poured all of its malice, all of its hate and all of its cunning, that even the blows of its enemies would strike them down.”
...
"Others say that the avatar of the Blood God outwitted the Omphalos Daemonium, and trapped it within the fiery heart of a mighty daemon engine bound to the service of the Iron Warriors"
...
“Mad stuff, ravings about a giant warrior killing everything in the bastion by his voice alone and a whirlwind that… fed on blood.”
...
“but once it killed Librarian Corwin, it opened up some kind of… gateway… I think. I’m not sure exactly. It was some kind of black thing that it stepped through and vanished"
Mcneill makes more plot connections than Honsou and the Jourans from Storm of Iron. the Demon train, and Kroeger's armour that possessed the Jouran Larana are all tied in now too, apparently.

Can't say I'm too happy about this heavy handed an attempt at tie ins with a single novel, especially since the 'Heart of Blood' showing up where Honsou seems unlikely to be coincidence, and Storm of Iron had implied something far more epic for it than 'appearing with Honsou again'. Guess we'll see.



Page 610
Allowing a Space Marine to sleep and remain awake at the same time by influencing the circadian rhythms of sleep and his body’s response to sleep deprivation, the Catalepsean node “switched off” areas of the brain sequentially. Such a process did not replace normal sleep entirely, but allowed a Space Marine to continue to perceive his environment whilst resting.
Space Marines still need sleep


Page 611
The porridge was thin and he could taste watered down nutrients, the gruel barely enough to stave off starvation, let alone provide any nourishment. But still, it had more taste than the recycled paste his armour provided him.
Again powered armour seems ot provide a constant food supply of some sort (recycled nutrients? something else?) although how it administers it is up for debate. (Think of the food paste the Wolves have to suck out of tubes. It could be not all Power armour does this. OF course if it were rare and precious tech, why did the Chapter let Uriel walk off with it? For that matter Pasanius' armour, which is made from Terminator armour...)


Page 612
"The warlord Honsou has recently returned from campaign and is laden with stolen gene-seed. What do you think he is using it for? How do you think the daemonculaba are producing these newly-birthed abominations? With enough gene-seed, Honsou can create hundreds, perhaps even thousands, of new warriors for his armies."
YES. Imagine what Honsou could do with an entire CHAPTER or two at his command! He might even.. mildly inconvenience someone!

Okay I'm exaggerating a bit. with hundreds or thousands Honsou could be a threat - piracy or attacking individual planets, but it's not exactly a threat on the scope of say, Marduk and the Word Bearers or Abbadon here. Heck he's not even a Huron, and Huron has been alive for far less than Honsou has.

This might also indicate much of the gene seed was turned over to Abbadon as intended. It was alluded to earlier, but really I can't tell.



Page 621
They passed great artillery pits, enormous guns, bigger by many times than the heaviest artillery pieces of the Imperial Guard, hurling tank-sized shells towards the fortress.
That would technically be ground-based macro cannon, I think.



Page 643
He wished he still had his helmet, but wasn’t sure that even its direction finding auspex would be any use here.
Ultramarines helmet had some nav sensors.


Page 646
“The Exuviae? No, they are nothing more than the polluted filth of Khalan-Ghol, waste matter shed by its industry that mutated to idiot life. They infest this place, but they have their uses.”
The imagination of Chaos.



Page 648
The talon was ripped free and he slid down the wall, blood pouring from his neck and armour in a scarlet wash before the Larraman cells were able to clot his blood and stem the wound. Uriel gasped, the breath rasping in his throat, and he realised his trachea had been completely severed. Uriel closed his eyes as his vision greyed and his body fought for oxygen, his chest hiking convulsively. He fought to stay focused, knowing that to slip into unconsciousness was to die, and shifted his breathing to the third lung grafted to his pulmonary system. His altered breathing pattern shut off the sphincter muscle that normally took in air and he gulped down a great breath as his enhanced physiology took over.
I really wondered where the oxygen intake for the third lung is, but it shows Astartes redundancy in action.



Page 654
Uriel was a warrior of the Emperor of Mankind and Honsou a traitor: one just over a century old, the other having bestrode battlefields thousands of years past. Though a gulf of time and faith separated them, Uriel saw a warrior spirit within Honsou and a core of bitterness that was unsettlingly familiar.

Whether his presence in the Eye of Terror had heightened his senses or he felt some form of dark kinship with the master of Khalan-Ghol, he didn’t know, but he saw with horror that there was not so great a difference between them as he might have thought.

He saw the same drive to prove himself the equal of his peers, the same frustration at being denied his rightful place through the blindness of others. Part of him admired Honsou’s single-mindedness at pursuing his goals.

But for an accident of birth, might they have stood together on the battlefield as brothers? Might Uriel have fought in the Black Crusades or might Honsou have stood shoulder to shoulder with brother Space Marines in defence of Tarsis Ultra?

He saw the recognition and admiration in Honsou’s face, seeing that he too had understood their shared heritage.
Uh, what? really? Honsou and Uriel alike? I can't really see it. For one thing I like Uriel and I despise Honsou - I'll admit there's some prejudice against honsou threading my whole analysis, but I also feel its a justified dislike. I can't help but think this is inserted to try and make Honsou more formidable than he actually appears, not unlike the way he tries standing up to Huron in 'Skull Harvest.' It just really doesn't work out the way it seems intended.

I suspect what McNeill may have intended is that whole 'unconventional approach' thing. The last few books have shown Uriel to be a product of Idaeus' thinking, and taking actions which were 'unusual' by Ultramarines and Codex standards, particularily WoU which sent him off on this Dream Quest shit. Honsou is supposed to be some sort of revolutionary thinker amidst the Iron Warriors. The only thing separating them was background and ideology. I can grasp that intention it just... doesn't work. Uriel is a selfless individual who puts others before himself (usually), is a peerless defender of humanity, and
seeks to uphold and improve upon the common good of humanity however he can. Honsou.. is Honsou, and he is none of those things. The complete opposite in fact.

One way it COULD work, mind, is that Uriel is seeing how he might have turned out had he not been a selfless Defender of Humanity, all noble and freethinking and self-sacrificing, because it can be said Honsou is everything Uriel is not (selfish, crazy, without honor or a sense of brotherhood, sacrifices others at the drop of a hat, bloodthirsty...) and this was supposed to teach Uriel the value of his Ultramarines background and adherence to the Codex. That MIGHT work... although as I've said I consider the whole 'Dream quest' thing horribly contrived, and consider this comparison even more contrived. Its.. almost there.. but the execution is just way off, at least for me. And it certainly does not paint Uriel and Honsou as anything like similar - its more 'distorted reflections in a mirror' sort of thing.. more about contrasts than comparisons. I suppose we could call Uriel the 'Anti-honsou' in that respect (in more ways than one) and Honsou the 'anti-Uriel'. or something.


Page 655-657
Then I could use warriors like you,” said Honsou, extending his hand. “I can offer you so much more than Toramino or Berossus. Will you join me?”
...
“I am a warrior of the Emperor of Mankind and a Space Marine. I will never join the likes of you!”
...
"How stupid do you think I am, Ventris?” snarled Honsou. “Do you think I became the master of this fortress by blind luck? No, I earned this by being better than everyone who tried to take it from me!”
...
“I am Uriel Ventris of the Ultramarines, loyal servant of the beneficent Emperor of Mankind and foe to all the traitorous followers of the Ruinous Powers. Nothing you can do will change that.”

Honsou snarled and crouched over Uriel’s breastplate, hammering his fists against Uriel’s face once more. Blood sprayed the floor as he yelled. “Damn you, how dare you refuse me! You are nothing, no one. Your Chapter has disowned you! You are nothing to them. What can you possibly have to gain by honouring them?”

Uriel’s hand shot out and caught Honsou’s descending fist.

“I would have my honour and my faith!” he spat, lashing out with his other fist and smashing Honsou aside.
Honsou tries to win Uriel to his side, and Uriel justifies my faith in him by telling Honsou to go to hell. Honsou predictably reacts like a spoiled child, although the beating again has that 'Faceoff against Huron' like quality. Of course Honsou has a daemon guardian to help him...

Also Honsou should never ask anyone how stupid they think he is. If he was the best of those he'd beaten, the bar must have been set VERY low. This scene really is notable for the way it contrasts the two and how they react, as well as casting doubt on that whole 'being alike' thing alluded to just previously. And honestly it just reinforces to me how poor a villain Honsou makes.



Page 661-663
Some came on spidery limbs, others on long assemblies of stilts, while others rumbled forwards on spiked track units.
...
Each displayed a corrupted version of the skull and cog symbol of the Adeptus Mechanicus upon its robes...
...
A clicking arrangement of spindly rods extended from the monster’s hood, telescoping outwards and bearing a meshed mouthpiece that snicked into place before its toothy jaws. Sharp drill-bits clicked from the mouthpiece and burrowed into the Savage Mortician’s metal jaw, sending dusty flurries of metallic flesh flying
Savage Morticians. Basically Dark Mechanicus, although probably more corrupt Genetor types. Like all Admech they go into heavy modification.



Page 664-665
Each vast, bloated creature in these cages was female, their bodies swollen beyond all resemblance to humanity. Shackled into their cages, they gurgled and drooled in voiceless madness and torment, their vocal chords having long since been cut. Engorged as they were by unnatural means, Uriel saw that their size was not simply due to monstrous infusions of growth hormones and dark magicks.

These gargantuan females were pregnant.

No normal pregnancies though, saw Uriel. Their swollen bellies rippled with numerous tumescent growths, giant squirming things, easily the size of a Space Marine…

With repulsed horror, Uriel realised that he looked on the daemonculaba, vile, terrible, daemonic wombs from which were ripped newly created Chaos Space Marines.
...
Great rollers and crushers awaited the bodies of the fallen Iron Warriors and each was ground to a thick paste within the machine before being carried along pulsing pipes to the cages of the daemonculaba.

Together with the gene-seed Honsou had taken from Hydra Cordatus, Uriel saw that this must be how the traitors managed to reharvest their gene-seed for rebirth.
...
....other black-robed morticians working on convulsing daemonculaba. These sorry specimens had their bellies cut open and spread wide, pale pink folds of fatty flesh held open with clamps as the deformed mutants placed the panicked bodies of adolescent children within the opened wombs.

Where the genetic material fed to the daemonculaba would pass to the implanted children within…

The children screamed at the monsters, begging for their lives or their mothers, but the black-robed monsters paid them no heed and continued their macabre procedures.
You know, for all my mockery of Honsou and the Chaos Marines here.. this actually is a rather appropriately Chaos-like means of creating CSM. Something worthy of Ian Watson and the earlier 40K writers. And at the same time its pretty damn horrific - taking kids, injecting them with the genetic material from dead bodies, implanted into horribly mutated, conscious mothers.... Graham actually nailed this one, in my opinion. The blend of horror and the bizarre is just... so appropriate.

It's just a pity it has to be nailed to Honsou, because there's some hilarious implications of the process that are just typically Honsou.



Page 674
“What do you need the skins for anyway?”

“To clothe the newborns!” said Sabatier proudly. “The brood of the daemonculaba are expelled from the womb as mewling, skinless things. Those that survive have new skin to bind their flesh and make them whole, ready to become one of the iron masters!"
The purpose of the skin farms and the skin. Again I'll admit it's rather... logical in its horror, and perfectly bizarre, and would work storywise if not for the Honsou Factor.



Page 687
He pictured the children being sutured into the daemon wombs alongside him and knew that such an imperfect method of hot-housing Chaos Space Marines must result in more failures than successes…
And this is one reason why I feel the entire process is a bit of a joke. Leave it to Honsou to choose a method that maximizes Geneseed waste. whats wrong with the more basic implantation and indoctrination methods? Not outside-the-box enough?

Though to be fair to Honsou.. how inefficient is it? I mean if we compare it to the implantations of chosen aspirants its drastically inefficient (IIRC its like 1 in one hundred for the White Scars for example) , but this also may not include the 'one in one thousand' potential marine recruits - probably less nowadays since Post-Heresy recruitment got even more stringent due to the HEresy. That's something like 1 per 100,000 or possibly even million. If Honsou can use this process with any child then.. it might actually be more efficient.

Of course we dont know how much geneseed Honsou has, but its implied not to be too much (thousands or tens of thousands of marines at best.) and this process wastes it regardless of success or failure - even allowing for his 'harvesting' methods (even from other Iron Warriors) you'd get scores, or hundreds of warriors, so it still seems pretty damn wasteful. Especially since it creates imperfect rejects who are (as it turns out) a potential source of rebellion - guess you can't harvest it back from THEM.

You also have to wonder if Honsou is actually trying to use all that gene seed he stole to replicate more of it - we know that given time you can replicate gene seed through artificial growth (the way new Chapters are made) if you have the progenoids. Given how time dilation in the Eye of Terror works this could be MASSIVELY accelerated as well in the same way that the Planet Killer's construction was handled.

So the main benefit seems to be speed and (possibly) not needing to be so selective about recruits and improving recruiting ratios (perhaps), but the 'traditional' implantation methods are actually more efficinet at preserving gene seed (but not hosts) and maximizing marine production. To be honest though I think I'm being too charitable to Honsou here. Raiding for slaves (even children) should not be difficult for Honsou to arrange if he is as powerful as claimed (even getting pirates to do it) and the parameters of the EoT should allow him to replicate and accelerate the procedures to create and implant space marines even if there wer elimits to people (look at what the Stigmartyr do in Deathwatch - they use time dilation to allow them to breed and train new chaos recruits faster than the Imperium can.)

Still its honsou and I think he chose it just to be DIFFERENT, rather than efficient, because it appealed to his distorted sense of vanity and ego.


Page 691
"You served a master who had forgotten why we fight the Long War, a master who had allowed the bitter fires of the False Emperor’s treachery to smoulder instead of burning brightly in his breast. Have you forgotten how our Legion was almost destroyed piece by piece by his uncaring, unthinking betrayals? Have you forgotten how he allowed us to stagnate and become little more than gaolers? The False Emperor drove us to this fate, condemning us to suffer an eternity of torment in the Eye, and while Forrix forgot that, I did not.”
Honsou speaks of Forrix, and I can't help but think back to Storm of Iron and think how hypocritical this is. Yes, Forrix had gone bitter and forgotten his passion for the Long War, but he had also managed to regain it in that conflict. He was the one who first reached the hand out to Honsou, remember? And look what happened. Forrix is dead, and we were stuck with the Halfbreed. Honsou has a positive gift for revisionist history and making himself look better than he actually was, and blaming the Legion's problems entirely on Forrix is a bit.. silly. I mean it's not as if Forrix actually ran the whole damn thing. Perturabo is the one sulking on the daemon world, and the Warsmith was the one doing the actual ruling. Hell, if it was the leaders of the Legion fucking things up, what does that say when we consider that the WArsmith evidently chose Honsou as his successor?

Many of the problems I have with this book stem from the injection of Honsou and the Iron Warriors (and indeed, much of storm of Iron) back into this story, because while I liked a great bit of Storm of Iron, it really wasn't as great a novel as I'd remembered it to be. It had potential but it had alot of flaws, and for me Honsou has become to Graham McNeill what Sarpedon is for Ben Counter. The Ultramarines, by contrast can be more closely paralleled to the Grey Knights. And trying to mix the two does not lead to a better product, it only dilutes the good stuff with the bad, leading to something rather mediocre at best. The sad part is, it isn't that Graham isn't good at writing Iron Warriors - storm of Iron had potential, and Angel Exterminatus was good. Honsou is just... bleh. horrible.

Ultimately, Honsou is a 'tryhard' villain - he tries to be another Marduk, antoher Abbadon, another Huron., but he fails utterly. He just doesn't carry the same potential of menace and evil and general.. chaos-ness.. that you can get with the others. Nor does he register on the threat scale nearly as high despite what he is supposed to represent. I can't help but imagine what would have happened had Forrix actually been here, but like Storm of Iron, DSBS has a great deal of wasted potential in that regard.



Page 696
Pasanius nodded. “Aye, necrontyr. I think maybe part of the Bringer of Darkness went into me when it cut off my arm, something corrupt that waited and then found a home in the metal of my new arm.”

“Why did you say nothing?” said Uriel. “It was your duty to report such a thing.”

“I know,” said Pasanius, dejectedly. “But I was ashamed. You know me, it’s always been my way to deal with things myself. I’ve been that way since I was a boy on Calth.”
Although they never say anything obvious, part of me wonders if perhaps Pasanius had been mentally influenced by the 'infection' of the Nightbringer. Certainly severa parts of the book hint at him being subjected to the same bloodthirsty rages and fanatacism Uriel was subjected to in Warriors of Ultramar, but they never really come out and say it. Given we know De Valtos was mentally influenced by it from a distance, its possible both Uriel and Pasanius remain tainted by their respective contacts.


Page 698-699
Though the statue there had been masterfully carved from beautifully veined marble quarried from the deep wells of Calth, this one—for all its crudity—was no less impressive.

The Unfleshed’s Emperor hung over the blackness of the pit...
...
Whereas some zealous preachers of the Ministorum might find it blasphemous that such hideous creatures had created such a crude idol of the Emperor, Uriel found it curiously touching that they had done so.
...
Who knew how long the Unfleshed had lived beneath the surface of Medrengard or what their memories were of the time before their abduction and implantation within the horror of the daemonculaba?

But one thing was clear: of the innocent children who had been transformed into the Unfleshed, one memory had survived—constant and enduring: the immortal and beneficent Emperor of Mankind.

Through all the vileness that had befallen the Unfleshed, they still remembered the love of the Emperor and Uriel felt an immense sadness at their fate. No matter that they had been horrifically altered to become monsters, they still remembered the Emperor and fashioned his image to watch over them.
...
“God-Emperor, look at them!” said Vaanes. “How can such things be allowed to live?”

“Shut up, Vaanes,” said Uriel sadly. “They are kin to you and I, do not forget that. The flesh of the Emperor is within them.”

“You can’t be serious,” said Vaanes. “Look at them. They’re evil.”

“Are they? I’m not so sure.”
This is another one of those 'nice touches' I still like in the novel, and hsows me the potential it could have had to be as good as Nightbringer. One of the key themes I felt in DSBS was one of redemption. Uriel and PAsanius supposedly are on a quest to regain their honour or die trying, and here we have the Unfleshed - the rejects of Honsou's attempts to create CSM from captive children - who likewise are seeking a kind of redemption. Indeed, Vaanes - for all his bluster - is torn between wanting to regain honour and redemption and his own biterness and cynicism. I actually wish Vaanes had been developed better than 'cynical renegade' and 'hates Uriel' in this book, because he has far more potential than is/was used here. He's a character on the teetering edge between light and darkness, redemption and damnation, and that could have been played up far more, as well as tha parallels between him, Uriel, and the Unfleshed.

Uriel's reaction and feelings about the Unfleshed also lend an upbeat tone to the story - despite all that has been done to them, he recognizes they are still children, and that they are as worthy of love and redemption as others. Where as many (like Vaanes) see only horrible mutants or chaos-tainted, Uriel sees through to their true devotion and desire to redeem themselves. Despite the horror, their faith (like Uriel's) has stayed strong. Its great that McNeill takes this part of the story - one of the best by far - and really runs with it in Killing Ground. The inclusion and development of the Unfleshed based off DSBS is partly what makes that book so great in my mind.

Also it's a bit hilarious that Honsou's CSM production method again fails on so many levels (given the qualifiers I laid out before) - it makes me wonder if the successes actually forget their pasts.... a potential, future flaw? Of course how many 'successses' were there? Apparently only the Newborn survived, since (to my knowledgE) we never see any one but him. I mean even with the Newborn it didn't start out 'evil'.. it just sort of got indoctrinated as such by Honsou (rather poorly if you ask me.)



Page 705-706
“You think the Emperor would work through such beasts? Look at them, they’re monsters. How can you think that such creatures are capable of being instruments of His will? They are evil!”

“They carry the flesh of the Emperor within them,” snapped Uriel. “The blood of ancient heroes flows in their veins and I will not fail them.”

“Don’t think you can fool me, Ventris,” sneered Vaanes. “You are no messenger of the Emperor, and I can see in your eyes that you know you’re not either.”

“It does not matter what I believe any more,” said Uriel. “What do you believe?”
...
“You are really going to turn your back on us? After all that has happened, all the blood spilt, the death and the pain? Can you really do that?”

“I can and I will,” snarled Vaanes. “And who would blame me? Look around you, look at these monsters. They are all going to be dead soon, and their blood will be on your hands."
...
"I am a warrior, Ventris, plain and simple, and there is nothing left to me except survival. To go back to Khalan-Ghol is madness, and attacking that fortress isn’t my idea of courage, it’s more like suicide.”

Vaanes gripped Uriel’s shoulder and said, “You don’t have to die here. Why don’t you and Pasanius come with me. You’re pretty handy in a fight and I could use a warrior like you.”

Uriel shrugged off the renegade’s arm and said, “You are a fine warrior, Ardaric Vaanes, but I was wrong to have thought you might regain your honour. You have courage, but I am glad that I do not go into battle with you again.”

Hatred flared in the renegade’s eyes and his expression became hard as stone.
Again its hard not to feel that Vaanes' concept was under-developed in this story. He basically is 'betrayed ally' who gets driven into Honsou's arms by.. thematic necessity I guess. All that HATE but the inner conflict is never really played up to any great degree here. He's just the cynical, bitter renegade loner who only looks out for himself, and that gets pushed to the fore far more than the turmoil he faces. Again had that inner conflict been more prominent, it would have played into his sense of betrayal and perhaps an eventual redemption. Here it just seems silly and somewhat childish.

Its actually kind of ironic too, because Vaanes' prejudices are more typically 'Imperial' as depicted (SCOURGE THE MUTANT) than Uriel's are. Uriel is actually being very progressive by Space Marine standards (some of whom are amongst the most intolerant of mutation... despite essentially being a sort of mutant themselves as the gene-seed and organs mutate their form beyond human norms.) It also reflects the essential 'fiath' and optimism Uriel has.. its not just that they're still Emperor-fearing children, although thats part of it, they also have loyalist Marine gene seed, and that matters something to him. He doesn't want to see it, or the children implanted with it, corrupted or twisted or even discarded. He wants them to have value and meaning, to be redeemed. Again if the novel has ANY redeeming qualities, it is this, but it also just underscores how much wasted potential there was.



Page 707
The long gallery was almost full, packed with enough explosives to level the mountain itself..
Enough explosives to 'level the mountain'



Page 709
The mountain itself shook with the force of the blast far below, thousands of tonnes of ordnance and fuel exploding in one simultaneous blast that instantly atomised a whole swathe of the bedrock of Medrengard.
Thousands of tonnes of unknonw ordiance, implied to 'level a mountain' That might give us some context for what blew off the Titan's leg earlier, if there is any similarity between said explosives.


page 724
Leonid followed suit, wiping blood from his eyes and scouring the vent-breech of his lasgun.
Vent breech. Why a lasgun has that I dont know - venting waste or coolant gasses of some kind, I suppose?


Page 728
Leonid raised his lasgun and shot Obax Zakayo in the gut. He smelled burned flesh and nodded to himself, satisfied that the Iron Warrior was in pain, but still alive.
Leonid's lasgun seems to inflict at least some thermal damage.


Page 730
Leonid rose from cover and saw a Savage Mortician with massive chainblades for fists scuttle behind the Lord of the Unfleshed as he tore the torso from the mechanised track-unit of yet another foe. Leonid swung the barrel around and squeezed off a burst of bright lasbolts.

His aim was true and the Savage Mortician’s head exploded, its twitching form slumping to the ground behind the Lord of the Unfleshed.
A short burst of lasbolts (3 round burst?) explodes Savage Mortician's head. Now as noted before they tend to be heavily augmetic (and quite possibly chaos infused) which could make them tougher than simple flesh and blood. We also don't know how many bursts (except it was a brief shot, so within a second) and that the weapon inflicts severe (painful) burns as well.

Assuming 2nd degree burns (30 j per sq cm) that's at least 12 kj. IF we assume 'flayed skull' flash burns thats at least 150-200 kj, although depending on damage mechanism its possible to explode the head with less (bolt damage mechanism matters greatly here.) But double if not triple digit kj for the burst seems probable. It always depens so much on damage mechanism for the bolt, the size and composition of the target, etc.


Page 736
Awful knowledge flooded Uriel as he stared into the portal opened in the fabric of the universe. He saw galaxies of billions upon billions of souls harvested and fed to the Lord of Skulls, the Blood God.
...
New life and new purpose had once filled these galaxies, but now all was death, slaughtered to sate the hunger of the Blood God…
Implies Blood god is multi-galactic. Which in a way can be true, since warfare and bloodshed are endemic to life throughout the universe, but it doesnt mean an intelligent, corporeal blood god is fuelled by whole galaxies of bloodshed. Or hell, even if he is, it doesn't mean its a significant contribution - we've had plenty ot evidence that the meddling of the old ones in the 40K galaxy makes the psychic conditions here rather.. atypical. There's so many variables and spins to this that the implications of such can be very misleading, or at least far more impressive in practical menas than it implies. I mean Chaos probably is literally everywhere, but it doesn't mean that everywhere is like the 40K galaxy, either.



Page 736-737
Light blazed from the portal as an armoured giant, clad in burnished iron plates of ancient power armour stamped down into the chamber, the portal sealing shut behind it as it marched to stand before the Heart of Blood.
..
...its shoulder guards bore stained chevrons that marked the figure as an Iron Warrior.

The daemonic warrior carried a great, saw-toothed blade and a gold-chased pistol, both weapons redolent with the slaughter they had inflicted.
..
The Heart of Blood raised its arms, mimicking the warrior’s pose and, piece-bypiece, the iron armour detached from the kneeling figure and floated through the air towards the massive daemon.
Another Storm of Iron tie in. Apparently Kroeger's old armor, the armor that took over Larana Utorian is daemon armour. Which is interesting, considering that the armour was supposed to have made Larana its greatest work (or something like that) and have a millenia of bloodshed. Apparently she was actually just a short term caretaker. Now in universe there's no reason the HoB could have known it would be freed, so the armour would not know how short a time it would have LArana but... It feels wasted and more than a little kludgy. McNeill could have had the HoB get away without the armour making an apperance, and then some later novel could have dealt with the two separate novel threads being tied together- Uriel having to hunt down the Daemon he released and/or its armour, trying to prevent the two from joining and the catastrophe that might have been released. Hell you could even have a Grey Knights tie in there...

Instead it seems like everything gets shoehorned in at the end (Except Honsou, who escapes, cartoon supervillain style.



Page 748
Colonel Leonid slumped to his haunches and pulled Larana Utorian tight, reaching into his breast pocket and removing something round and flat.
...
Leonid pressed the detonation stud of the grenade he had taken from the crushing machine next to Obax Zakayo, obliterating them and the Sarcomata in the white heat of a melta blast.
Melta.. grenade? A compact meltabomb? Anyhow its powerful enough to obliterate 2 humans and eight (corporeal? possessed?) daemon forms. IF we go by the 400 j per square cm flaying flash burns figure a couple MJ at least per person.. 20-40 MJ at least, possibly twice that if both sides are 'flayed'. And again the melta bomb is rather compact - fits in a normal human's hand and pocket. Probably doesn't weigh much more than a regular grenade either.

Also interesting is its apparent omnidrectional melta blast, which is quite distinct from your usual melta bomb.


Page 750
He was too close and the bolt was moving too quickly for it to detonate within him, but it exploded a fraction of a second after punching out through his lower back and peppered his flesh with searing fragments.

The second shattered on one of the few remaining portions of his armour, the hot shrapnel scoring upwards across his cheek, and the third blasted a chunk of his side to red ruin.
Bolter rounds emitting shrapnel. Also note that if the person ismoving fast enough and the bolt penetrates through the target fast enough, it can overpenetrate before detonating again (much like with the bolt that passed through the cheek of the Dark Eldar pirate in Nightbringer.) Although there are still proximity effects (Shrapnel and blast)

Interestingly Pasanius takes 4 hits and has severla massive exit wounds in hsi back, but survives, as does Uriel.


Page 758
...the vacuum seals on his armour’s gorget. They were cracked and useless, so he wrenched his helmet off...
..
Part of his head had been pulverised by the impact of the bolt round, and the left side of his face was a burned and bloody ruin, his eye a glutinous, fused mess.
Bolt round to Honsou's head, courtesy of Uriel VEntris. Pity it didn't do more. Assuming 2nd to 3rd degree burns on the side of his face (call it at least 10x10 cm and 30-50 J per sq cm) we're talking at least 3-5 kj worth of energy.. possibly up to 4 times that if it was the entire side of his head (20x20cm at least) And the bolt had to bypass the helmet to do the damage, so this probably isn't the full effects of the bolt round.


Page 762
It had been here that Ventris had foisted his lie upon him and his men.

The lie of honour. The same lie that had seen him cast from his Chapter in the first place. The same lie that had almost seen him dead on this bleak, miserable shithole of a world.

Honour… What was the use of such a thing when all it got you was death and suffering? Thirty warriors had lived and fought from this place, fighting their enemies and surviving… always surviving.

Until Ventris came.

They had not had much of a life here, but it had at least been life.

“You killed them all, you bastard,” hissed Vaanes, his hatred for the Ultramarines captain burning like a slow fire in his heart..
Honestly.. this feels like apretty lousy attempt to balance Vaanes' dual natures. He gives a damn about his own men apparently and their deaths, and the little band they had created, but he's supposed to be some stone-hearted, unfeeling, cynical bastard who only cares about his own survival.... and he blames it all on Uriel. Again Vaanes own conflicted nature could have been explored and developed further, so that his own tormented nature leads him to blame Uriel simply as a way to avoid the truth about himself that he has tried to avoid. Instead, we get this, and I count it yet another missed opportunity.


Page 765
“You carry great bitterness within you, warrior, but you are a fighter, a survivor.”

“And?”

“And I need men like you now. Most of my own grand company are dead, and those of Berossus’s that swore loyalty to me are few in number. I offered Ventris the chance to join me, but he spat it back at me. I now offer you the same chance, but I do not think you will do the same.”
So I guess Vaanes has to hate Uriel and blame him for what's happened to his band.. so he has a reason to join Honsou. And Honsou, master strategist that he is, apparently decided the best 'out of the box' way to win was to sacrifice huge numbers of his own men to grind down his enemies.. and then take the remains. STRATEGIC GENIUS. No wonder he almost succeeded in taking Ultramar. (and yes that is sarcasm.)
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Re: Ultramarines novels analaysis/discussion thread

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New update: The Killing Ground.

The novel feels both like a continuation fo DSBS and an attempt to salvage it. It builds on alot of elements from that - including the themes of redemption - but also tries to introduce something different. It also feels like Uriel's true 'test', as odd as that is. He has responsibilities he must discharge before he can go back to his chapter, and it is not certain he can meet them.
This is a bleak novel in many ways. The condition of the Unfleshed away from the Eye - tortured, mutated children with the bodies of monsters and the minds of innocents. But more than that is the setting - a bleak, war torn world of conquest. Settled by a Guard regiment that is seen as an intruder and an enemy by the indiginous population. Amidst a graveyard of the reminders of war, troubled souls eke out an existence. And they aren't alone. The dead of those conflicts are restless and they cry out for revenge. Indeed, revenge and justice are big themes here as well, and all these elements lend quite a bit of 'horror of war' aspect ot the story that you never quite got with the previous books. We're seing the aftermaths of those so called 'glorious' campaigns, and it doesn't look all that glorious.

This novel also sets what I've come to think of as the Ultramarines pattern: we have a GREAT novel, a okay novel, and a Honsou novel. I use the tmer 'Honsou' novel because the novel is not precisely bad (or at least Chapter's Due was not horrible) but it has FUCKING HONSOU in it, and I fucking hate Honsou. He was a big reason why BSBS sucked, and he drags down Chapter's Due IMHO. I'll never understand why McNeill picked Honou over Forrix for fuck's sake... Anyhow we have our 'Good' novel, and in many ways this is a companion (and a contrast) to NightBringer. Nightbringer was a great 'theme' type novel too, and you get a sort of light/dark contrast for the Ultramarines. If Nightbringer is the apex of what they can be, Nightbringer is the nadir in a sense. This is Uriel truly brought low. Fuck all the 'I didn't do as the Codex decreed' bullshit, Uriel is forced to face (and correct) the consequences of his actions, and you can tell (at least in this novel) it has an impact on him.
It's also not many 40K novels where you get an idea of redemption that does not involve execution or killing of those 'redeemed', and while the novel technically continues that trend, it must be said that it was not the first (or only) choice - at least ot Ventris, and for me that counts a great deal. It's that redemption idea that gives the book its driving force and emotional pull, and the idea that something horrible can still be wonderful gives it that tragic and almost sad quality at the end.

One thing Is hould note is that I was in the grip of a very THEMATIC mood when I did the Ultramarines novels. I dont know why and it hasn't stayed as strong since then, but it has really resonated with me, and the analysis will show that. Its one of the few series (with any continuation) where there is themes involved. AT least with some of the novels. It will be interesting to see whether or not I continue that trend, I tend to be pretty inconsistent with it,a nd it depends on whether or not the story catches me in a thematic mood. Not all of them do, really, although I try like hell to find something to like about them all.

I also have to say this novel really gives me the same sort of vibe you get from certain of other McNeill's stories like 'the last church'. The guy should do more thematic 40K stuff, and less Chaos, cuz he definitely has talents there.


Page 7
“Regiments that have served for more than ten years are usually transferred from protracted war zones into armies of conquest. Not only are these the best troops, but they are also the oldest, having fought gallantly for the Emperor for a decade or more. Their reward is to take part in the conquest of a new world. If they are successful the entire regiment earns the highest honour the Imperium can bestow, the gratitude of the Emperor and the right to settle a new planet. All over the Imperium there are worlds that were originally populated in this way. Their people are the hardy descendants of victorious Imperial Guard regiments.”
IG 'retirement' such as it is after that ten year span. It has always made a measure of practical sense - not only are veteran troops more likely to be loyal to the Imperium, but they will also form the core of a new planet and a new military force they can oversee the training and development of, which can only add to the military might of that same Imperium.
This approach can have downsides as well, which forms part of the basis of this story and will be discussed in time.


Page 10
From the pattern of the rivets and the faded markings along its length, Hanno could tell that the bar had once been the side of a Chimera
Rivetted chimera hull.


Page 11
A knot of pale scar tissue creased the left side of his head. Hanno knew enough veterans to recognise a las-burn when he saw one.
We dont know the exact 'area' of the burn. Assuming 2-3 cm wide and 20 cm long we might get 40-60 sq cm. At 2nd to 3rd degree burns (scar tissue) call it 30-50 j per sq cm.. we'e looking at 1200-3000 J for that burn. Its probably not THAT much greater, maybe a few times larger if the burns are more severe third degree, but they don't seem to be quite fourth degre (burnt or charred.) Likewise its unliekly the entire side of the face was burnt so 100 sq cm or so seems an upper limit.. 5 kj or 10 kj or so for that.


Page 16
Hanno Merbal thrust the pistol into his mouth and blew the back of his head off.
pistol fo some kind blows off the back of a man's skull. kilojoule or two at least, maybe a couple kj depending on the scale of the wound. We also dont know what kind of pistol - a laspistol might have a slightly greater energy yield, while a autopistol or stubber with the right kind of ammo (Fragmenting or something like a glazer or other exapnding/exploding round) might do it with less. Even if tis solid projectile, a lasrfile (if not a pistol) should achieve similar damage, even if on highest settings.


Page 29-30
In an attempt to hothouse fresh warriors, the diabolical surgeon-creatures of the Warsmith Honsou had implanted stolen children in grotesque daemonic wombs and fed their developing anatomies a gruel of genetic material concocted from fallen Iron Warriors and captured Astartes gene-seed.

A capricious and unpredictable alchemy at best, this process resulted in far more failures than successes and those pathetic, mutant offspring deemed too withered or degenerate to be further transformed were flushed from the hellish laboratories like so much excrement.
Capiricous? Unpredictable? Pathetic failure? All aprt and parcel of the Great Honsou Scheme. Those terms cna apply to pretty much ANY plan he comes up with, and the only thing oyu can be guaranteed is: a.) It will be silly b.) It won't work and c.) he'll get away.


Page 31
“This Emperor’s world?”
...
Uriel nodded, seeing the pain behind the creature’s eyes, yes, it is. “One of them anyway.”
“More worlds like this?”
“Millions,” agreed Uriel.
..
“There are many worlds like this,” he said, pointing up to where hundreds of stars shimmered in the darkening sky. “Each of those lights is a world like this.”
Millions of worlds in the Imperium. again. What's more that may imply 'stars with worlds around them' so it could be whole systems rather than just single planets in the 'millions' range.


Page 40
It had been Uriel’s wilful deviation from Roboute Guilliman’s Codex Astartes that had seen them banished from Ultramar in the first place.
...
..no Chapter exemplified its teachings better than the Ultramarines.

To conform to the principles of their primarch was seen as the highest ideal of the Ultramarines and so to have one of its captains go against that was unacceptable. Uriel had willingly accepted his punishment, but having Pasanius condemned with him had been a shard of guilt in his heart..
Uriel's flaw? He's pretty much blind to the flaws of all Smurfs.


Page 41
“What if there’s some lingering remainder of the Bringer of Darkness left in me?”
..
“How can you be sure it’s all gone?”

“I can’t,” said Uriel, “but once we get back to the Fortress of Hera, the Apothecaries will know for sure.”
...
“You kept a xenos infection from your superior officers.."
Necron living metal infections.



Page 45
“It’s easy to forget,” said Uriel.

“What is?”

“They are just children really.”

“The Unfleshed?”

“Yes. Think about it. They were taken as youngsters and twisted into these horrific forms by the Savage Morticians, but they are still children inside. I was placed inside one of those daemon wombs. I know what it tried to do to me, but to do that to a child… Imagine waking up and finding that you had been turned into a monster.”
..
“In some ways, I hope they don’t; it would be too awful to remember what they’d lost, but then I think that it’s only the fragments of what they once were that’s keeping them from truly becoming monsters.”
In an ironic sort of way, Uriel is demonstrating that sort of non-codex 'outside the box' thinking that Idaeus instilled in him. I mean, how many 'loyal' subjects of the Emperor would look at what are obviously chaos-tainted mutants - even ones of children, and feel pity? Much less any desire to help tham live and be happy, instead of trying to kill them 'for their own good?' That ability to step outside the narrow boundaries of your training and indoctrination, to reason... thats what marks a truly exceptional individual. Like sister Aescarion, or Alaric - both who manage to reach above their 'typical' roles without really losing who they are or their core beliefs.


Page 51
...ad hoc dwellings formed in the remains of a regiment’s worth of vehicles that the Achaman Falcatas had abandoned to the elements.

Barbadus was a city built upon the bones of an Imperial Guard regiment’s castoffs. With the conclusion of the campaign to quell the rebellious system, the planet Salinas had been awarded to the Falcatas, and the regiment had been permitted to keep the bulk of its armoured vehicles, for there had not been the means to transport most of them off world. However, without sufficient enginseers or tech-priests, most had swiftly fallen into disrepair and only a handful of companies were able to maintain their tanks and transports in working order.
...
A Leman Russ battle tank could house a family of five once any unnecessary kit had been hollowed out, a Chimera even more. Many other vehicles had been cannibalised for parts and sheets of metal, and entire districts of Barbadus were constructed from the remains of those vehicles that had rusted solid, broken down or otherwise failed.
It seems the Falcatas were a heavily mechanised/armoured regiment, both in tanks and AFVs, possibly fully so. So it's interesting that for whatever bizarre reason the Munitorum made no effort to recover any of thse vehicles. I mean really, they didn't have transport? They can land km long starships for crying out loud, I'm pretty usre they could do it.

What's more, the notion they can just cast out all these vehicles - an entire REGIMENT's worth, tends to fly in the face of that whole 'vehicles and technology are rare and precious' mentality you hear the IG codexes promulgate. You don't just throw away hulls or discard them (like in Vraks) if they're important. Indeed this would tend to suggest vehicles are rather common.


Page 58-59
..bullet casings, autogun rounds from the calibre..
Calibre apparently can be a defining quality as far as weapon type (EG stubber or auto weapon.)


Page 62
...Uriel felt the responsibility of the creature’s simple faith in him. He had promised them a better future and he had to make good on that promise.
Again uriel has (self inflicted) responsibilities, and these make up a significant part of the story.


Page 64
Her Chimera bounced over the uneven ground and she raised battered magnoculars to her face...
...
Tumbled buildings filled her view, rendered green and milky by the mechanics of the viewfinder...
Night vision binocs (IG issue?)


PAge 65
...the ruins would have been obliterated by massed Basilisk fire..
So they have artillery as well...


PAge 71-72
The soldiers were clad in armour composed of gleaming red plate fringed with fur-edged mail and short, crimson cloaks tied over their left shoulders.
..
Their helmets were conical affairs of bronze metal with angled cheek plates and flexible aventails.
Falcata armour and outfit.


Page 72
A sergeant with ocular implants integral to his helmet waved two squads forward.
Helmet optics?


PAge 73
The soldier struggled under the weight of the gun...
Normal humans struggle under the weight of Astartes guns. At least the rifle variants.


Page 73
..his face invisible behind a combination vox/rebreather attachment and his bionics...
Portable vox? Also I wonder if the ocular are the bionics.


PAge 81
Pascal reached towards the puckered scar tissue at his chest where the first lasbolt had struck him.
Lasbolt chest burn.


Page 91
He alone had removed his helmet and Uriel saw that the ocular implants were integral to it and not part of him.
helmet optics agian.


Page 92
“I have fought the eldar before,” said Uriel. “They are swift and deadly killers.”
...
"But then the colonel was no slouch either. Outmanoeuvred them and none of their fancy tricks could save them when his Screaming Eagles had them locked in place.”
IG regiment actually OUT manuvering Eldar?


Page 95
..pulling a periscope-like device with a scratched pict slate down from the metal roof of the compartment. The slate flickered to life, displaying a static-washed image of the approaching conurbation.
Pict slate periscope. Fancy, especially since its inside a Chimera.


Page 96
..thirty gunmen armed with a variety of ancient lasguns and simple bolt action rifles.
Rebel armaments.


Page 99
A tremendous impact hammered the side of the Chimera, tipping it up onto one track.
...
A portion of the Chimera’s side bulged inwards.
Missile impact.


Page 101
The shooters had sprung their ambush well, but they were hunkered down behind a parapet that might as well have been fashioned from paper for all the protection it provided against bolter rounds.
Bolter penetration


Page 102
A shot rang out, distinctive and high pitched, and the Sentinel pilot’s head snapped back, a ragged hole punched in the back of his head. Sniper.
single digit kj probably.. although we dont quite know the size of the hole in the back of the head. Or the kind of weapon


Page 103-104
The bullets described a curving line as the weapon discharged, the impacts ringing like the sound of a hundred bells as they ricocheted from metal hulls. One man was hurled from his feet, a hole the size of his torso blasted in his body.
...
Uriel released the grips of the heavy stubber.
Chimera pintle mount heavy stubber. I'm betting thats quite a bit bigge rthan 50 cal.


Page 109
Three towering Capitol Imperialis, mighty leviathans of vehicles used for command and control of entire battlefronts, sat side by side and had been transformed into something else entirely. Hundreds of crewmen and officers could operate from within each of these incredible war machines, directing entire regiments of artillery, hundreds of thousands of men and entire companies of armoured vehicles. To see one such colossus on a battlefield was rare, but to see three, abandoned no less, was unheard of.
huh? They have THREE of those in the regiment and they were all abandoned? No fucking way the Imperium would leave those behind, since those would be the most likely to be rare and precious and hard to replace. Moreso than Baneblades or Shadowswords...


Page 109-110
“There is a whole army’s worth of abandoned armour here. Half the city’s built among the mined chassis of Imperial Guard tanks."
\

An army's worth of abandoned vehicles... thousands.. tens of thousands? Why did they leave all this shit behind?

Page 115
A Space Marine on active duty had precious little time that wasn’t spent in preparation for battle. Weapons practice, strength building, biochemical monitoring and all manner of training drills were the virtual be all and end all of his life.
Implied schedule of a space marine, not much free time. The biochem monitoring is interesting since it suggests they need to have their implants and such adjusted (chemically?) to remain optimum. Not the first time such has been hinted.


Page 129
Though the terms were unknown to him, his metabolism had reacted to the sudden and shocking presence of ultraviolet radiation by activating the gene-memory of the biological hardware pressed into the service of his construction. In Space Marines the organ was known as the melanochrome, a biological device designed to darken the warrior’s skin and protect him from harmful radiation.

Accelerated and altered beyond reason by the horrific nature of his gestation within the daemon wombs of Medrengard, the disparate fragments of the melanochrome were in overdrive, crafting the only defence its mindless iological imperatives knew: skin.

The Lord of the Unfleshed watched as the milky sheen spread still further, flowing like a rippling liquid as it oozed down the length of his arm, covering his fingers and tightening across the meat and bone of his body.
While I don't think the actual feat itself represents anything close to what a Space Marine can do (since we're dealing with a mutated form of creature with Astartes makeup in it) the capability implied probably exists on a lesser scale - growing skin and an adaptive quality to the MArine implants (although for Marines it probably goes much more slowly.) A strong hint at the regenerative abilities of Marines perhaps.


Page 131
As a commander of a regiment and now a world, he had clearly not been a man to underestimate, but Uriel saw the truth of the matter as he looked into Barbaden’s cold, pitiless eyes.

In his time as a warrior, Uriel had met all kinds of commanders, some good, some bad, but mostly just men and women trying to do their duty and keep their soldiers alive. Barbaden might be concerned with the former, but it was clear that he had no real interest in the latter.
Uriel's assessment of Barbaden, while far from comprehensive (he's just ONE Marine after.) is still interesting given that he is also an officer and must have dealt with quite a few Guard and planetary types in his career. If we take it at face value, Uriel's assessment suggests that officers of Barbaden's type (EG people like Chenkov, Dravere, etc.) are not really all that common in the Guard - at least at the regimental level or thereabouts (colonels. Generals and overall leaders might be a different story (esp appointed from the Munitorum.) and in the regions of space he's operated in.

I'd also note this has no bearing on actual competence, but rather a reflection of the 'brutal asshole' mentality and its (likely) prevalence amongst the Guard.

This might conflict with the 'implications' from other sources (EG codexes, Forge world, etc.) but again this may not be comprehensive across the Imperium. Besides, I've made my opinion on the 'Codex' issue clear before...


PAge 134
Uriel was surprised, and not a little angered, at the governor’s tone, for, like Kain, the governor displayed none of the awe or reverence that usually accompanied the presence of warriors of the Adeptus Astartes. In fact, his bearing and body language suggested downright hostility.
While getting annoyed at Barbaden is understandable, given he's quite clearyl an asshole, it's also worth noting that Uriel seems to take it for granted that Space Marines should be properly venerated by 'lesser' humans wherever they go. That does speak of a bit of.. arrogance on his part. Even as a well meaning and noble defender of humanity. Of course he doesn't ALWAYS act this way, (Warriors of Ultramar shows him with a different attitude.) but...


PAge 135
Barbaden snapped his fingers and the soldiers around the edges of the room suddenly lifted their rifles to their shoulders and aimed them at Uriel and Pasanius.

..
He quickly calculated the number and type of weapons pointed at him and the odds of their survival. Even the legendary physique of a Space Marine would not survive a well-aimed volley from these soldiers.
An unkonwn number of soldiers can gun down unarmoured marines. Although we dont know how many there are, I'm pretty sure its less than a platoon, probably only a squad or two.


Page 148
Mesira nodded. “Yes, it was barely even here, but its power was so great that the walls that separate us from the warp were worn much thinner, and they were already thin enough.”

“Superstitious nonsense,” blurted Shavo Togandis. “This is a pious world, Mesira. Yes, we have our troubles, but we are conscientious in our suppression of psychics.”
...

“Our faith keeps the warp at bay,” said Togandis, “as it always has and always will.”

“You think so, Shavo?” cried Mesira. “Then you are a fool. Why do you think this system is so fractious? What do you think brought us here in the first place? The warp bleeds into the nightmares of this system’s people, stirs their sleep and twists their dreams with thoughts of death and war! And now it’s in ours.”
Interesting to hear 'superstition' from a priest, although this is 40K and things like that are... odd. The main interesting thing about this passage is how it highlights that 'self-perpetuating' nature of the warp and it sinfluence on living beings in normal space. The warp feeds on emotions of varying kinds, and in some (many?) cases strong emotions can 'reinforce' the process, growing stronger as the emotion grows stronger, and stimulating an even stronger response...

In the case of Salinas here, the warp is feeding on the anger, hate and conflict that has wracked the planet, and that hate stimulates still further conflict, contributing to the essentially bleak and warlike atmosphere. It's an interesting question about how one would go about managing such things, although I suspect this may be one thing religion is meant to counter (unity vs conflict.)


Page 149
It was a daily irony to Casuaban that three Capitol Imperialis, an example of the mightiest war machines ever created by the Imperium, should be shackled together to create a medicae facility.
CI the 'mightiest war machine ever created' by the Imperium.


Page 152
He had hoped that when his time with the regiment was at an end he would be able to retire somewhere warm where he could spend the last of his days trying to forget man’s capacity for violence. He had never dared dream that the Falcatas would earn the right to claim a world of their own. After all, what regiment ever really got to muster out?

You heard stories about worlds settled by heroic regiments of Imperial Guard, but no one ever actually got to do it, did they?

But the Falcatas had it.
It seems possible to 'retire' from the Guard (we know of othrs, like Belknap in Ravenor) although the way this goes about isn't specified. Does he stay on the planet he is currently on when he leaves, or can he travel? The latter is implied, but how far?

Also retirement seems to be separate from 'mustering out' or settling a world, and by this example it is a rare occurance. Why, we don't know.


Page 156-157
Casuaban watched as Pascal made the sign of the Aquila across his chest.
...
Though Uriel did not like Leto Barbaden, he was the rightful ruler of Salinas and no amount of insurgency would change that. Salinas had been won for the Imperium by an army of conquest and the world was theirs to rule in the name of the Emperor.

Yet something nagged at the back of Uriel’s mind, a suspicion that all was not as it seemed, that secrets lurked beneath the surface and would radically alter his view of this world’s dynamic were he to learn them.

He turned from the shimmering, shielded window and returned to the quarters that had been assigned to them.
These are actually from two separate scenes but I wanted to note both because it reflects the complex nature of the conflict on the planet Uriel finds himself on. Both sides are esentially 'good guys' - emperor worshipping people, but in a 'legal' sense Barbaden and the regiment are 'in the right' (as Uriel notes.) And yet, he doesn't find himself actually liking Barbaden or sympathising with him much. It's a much more complicated situation than might be seen and the 'noble Imperial defenders' are anything but. And yet they're not (all) cruel or evil men either.


Page 158
..also switching to the same Calthian speech patterns, a dialect that no one outside Ultramar would have any hope of understanding. Certainly any eavesdroppers on this conversation would be lost and even the most sophisticated cogitating machines would struggle with so specific an argot.
Uriel and Pasanius are convinced that noone on planet (or cogitators in general) could decipher Calthian dialects.


Page 160
“I’ve seen his kind before, commanders who divorce themselves utterly from the fact that they’re commanding soldiers of flesh and blood. To men like Barbaden, notions of honour and courage are fanciful things, ephemera. To them war is about numbers, logistics and cause and effect.”

Pasanius nodded. “Aye. Dangerous men.”

“The most dangerous. That kind of commander doesn’t care how many men die to achieve his goals, so long as he gets a victory.”
Uriel and Pasaius discuss Barbaden again. Interesting once more, especially in context of their earlier impressions of the man.


Page 164
Hanno Merbal was dead, his brains plastered over the roof of a dingy bar in Junktown..
Reference to the guy who blew his head out in the first part of the book.


Page 180-181
“Magos Locard told me of an ancient Adept of Mars by the name of Semyon who developed a whole slew of new forms of augmetic implantation. It seemed this Semyon claimed to be able to produce electrographic images of subjects that showed their limbs still in place, even after they had been surgically removed.”

“How could he do that?”
...
“He said that Semyon was part of something called the Dragon Cult and that no one really knew if he existed at all. His work is like some sort of myth on Mars. The story goes that he died during the Martian schism back at the end of Old Night.”
Semyon was a character we meet in the Horus Heresy novel Mechanicum.


Page 182
A regimental graveyard of fighting vehicles had been abandoned here, the remains of a dozen armoured companies whose crews had mustered out of the Falcatas or which had broken down and could not be repaired.
Again this indicates the Falcatas had a substantial vehicle component to their force.


Page 185
..the hull of a burnt out Griffon mobile artillery piece that was missing its launcher.
Another example of a Falcata vehicle.


Page 190
“We were formally disbanded as a serving regiment and those that remained to bear arms were designated a Planetary Defence Force.”

“That cannot have been easy to bear,” said Uriel, knowing the disdain that most Imperial Guard forces, wrongly, held for PDF regiments. Guardsmen called them toy soldiers, but such bodies of men were often the first line of defence against invasion or uprising. Uriel had met many a courageous PDF trooper in his time, remembering Pavel Leforto of the Erebus Defence Legion on Tarsis Ultra, a man who had saved his life.

Simply because a soldier did not travel beyond the stars to make war did not lessen him in the eyes of the Emperor.
Uriel contemplates PDFs - his attitude being vastly different from others (like say, Cain.)

It also notes the transition of a garrison/conquest army to one of PDF.


Page 197
Uriel had seen many astropaths, but none as physically tormented as the Janiceps, none so cursed by birth as to be better off dead than consigned to this fate. On ninetynine worlds out of a hundred, the girls would have been killed, but whichever world had birthed them had obviously been a more tolerant place.
Mutation is tolerated on an implied 1% of worlds in the Imperium. Funny, I'd thought it owuldn't be nearly that high, unless we're talking as slave labor or something.


Page 200-201
“Your mind is closed to us,” said Lalla, “like a fortress preparing to resist an invader.”

“I don’t understand,” said Uriel.

“You Astartes, your minds are as rigid and unbending as adamantium,” said Kulla, and Uriel knew that her mouth was not moving. Her voice was arriving directly in his thoughts without recourse to speech. “You are trained, conditioned and enhanced in so many ways, but your minds are like locked doors to a place of miracles and wonder. All the potential you are trained to access: memory, language, combat analysis, and yet your masters train you to close off the one part of your mind that might actually allow you to soar. You do not feel as others do, but we can open that door for you if you let us.”

“Stop it, Kulla,” said Lalla. “You know that’s not allowed. Leave him to his blindness.”
I wonder if this is a reflection of the degree to which psycho-indoctrination (brainwashing) actually affects an Astartes mind. Other novels (like IIRC the Space Wolf ones) have intimated that the process may actually make changes or alterations to the minds (personalities) of potential space Marines to make them more loyal. A charitable interpretation would be that what we see above is done to make Marines more resistant to the influences of Chaos and psychic assault and corruption. A less charitable interpretation is that they're deliberately manipulated out of fear of betrayal and the fears of a second Heresy. It would explain the differences in mindset (supposedly) between traitor marines and the more modern 'loyalist' types.


Page 221
Many times while the regiment had fought through some tough campaigns, Nisato had seen the shivering form of Mesira next to the colonel, her stooped form lost in the Guard-issue greatcoat, and felt a stab of sympathy for her.

He’d known it was wrong to feel like that, for, as a company commissar, it could easily have fallen to him to put a bullet through her brain in the event of her psychic powers becoming dangerous.
Daron Nisato, one of the 'decent' Falcatas and the former commissar (at least at the company level). Overall a great guy and proof that not all Commissars are blast happy assholes. Hell he's more human than the governor is, especially if he can feel pity for a 'mere' psyker.


Page 224
Reaching up, Nisato snapped his helmet’s visor down and reached up to amplify the aural gain on its auto-senses.
The Commissar/Enforcer's helmet has auto-senses of its own.


Page 231
On the eastern edge of the Paragonus sub-sector, a lynchpin of Imperial defences of the coreward approach to Segmentum Solar, the Salinas system was one of a dozen that had felt the wrath of an Imperial Crusade some thirty-five years ago. The core worlds of the sub-sector had fallen prey to agents of the Archenemy...
...
Before the enemy forces had gained an unbreakable hold on the sub-sector, the Imperium had retaliated, raising regiments from the outlying systems to fight the threat. Such measures held the enemy in check, but had not the strength to dislodge him from the sub-sector, and thus regiments from beyond the immediate sphere of the conflict were dragged into it.
...
Along with a dozen other regiments and a demi-legion of titans from the Legio Destructor...
Location of Salinas, the size of the subsector region it occupies (70-100 worlds or so for that sector implied), as well as the response to an Imperial incursion in Segmentum solar.


Page 232
..conquest. Despite pleas of loyalty to the God-Emperor from the populace, the battle-hardened veterans of the Guard, men and women who had waded through blood and the dead for most of their adult lives, were in no mood for half measures.

The planetary governor had been executed and when his forces had taken arms in response to this, Barbaden had unleashed the full horror of the Falcatas’ experiences of the last two decades.

Men and women who had desperately tried to minimise civilian casualties in their first months as soldiers, soon cared little for the collateral damage caused by their assaults and the local PDF regiments had been obliterated within months of planetfall.
Not much of a 'glorious' crusade is it? Again it shows how the people involved on both sides in this conflict are not neccesarily bad people, just... caught up in forces greater than themselves (and in Barbaden's case, the ambitions of a complete asshole.) and try to make due. The tragedy of that conflict, culminating in the Massacre, is a strong element of the story.
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Part 2 and in my mind the best part.


Page 233-234
"Marauder bombers flew in over the mountains and dropped a dreadful amount of bombs. They blew the city apart. You could see the fires from Barbadus."
...

“No one I’ve spoken to seems to be able to agree on exactly what happened next or even how it happened, but Colonel Barbaden ordered the Falcatas into the ruins of Khaturian and when they came out six hours later, there wasn’t a single soul left alive in the city.”

“He killed the entire city?”

“Yes,” nodded Urbican, “seventeen thousand people in six hours.”
The destruction of a 'city' (although with 17,000 it can't have been all that big.) I actually wonder where the bombers came from. Were they part of the regiment, or leftovers from the prior PDF force, or what?



Page 238
the soldier of the Achaman Falcatas who had eaten the barrel of his pistol. The bloodstains had been cleaned from the roof, but Pascal could still see the impact the bullet had made on the roof beam.
The guy from the beginning of the story. Guess he had a solid projectile gun of some kind :D


Page 244-245
A pair of parked Leman Russ battle tanks sweated oil and fumes, with coiled and ribbed cables snaking from beneath their hulls to a coughing generator.
...
The armour’s backpack was bereft of power and no solution the palace adepts could devise would restore it. Pasanius had suggested that perhaps the military grade generators and couplings might have a better chance..
...
The enginseers there had jumped at the chance to work on the problem and their solution had been elegantly ingenious. The chargers for the onboard electrics of a Leman Russ had been adapted to run a powerful generator’s output through a manually calibrated transformer, which would allow an enginseer to adjust the power supply to a level that the armour’s backpack could use.

At least that was the theory. Whether or not it would work, was another matter entirely.
A plan to recharge Uriel's armour. Apparently you can't just plug them into an electrical wall socket and recharge them, although a military grade generator (like in a tank) seems to be overkill for recharging the armour.


PAge 249
..a corner turret, a boxy construction of reinforced concrete, further protected by a layer of steel mesh to defeat shaped warheads.
I'm assuming 'shaped' means shaped charge.


Page 250-251
“You don’t want to get your head shot off by a sniper.”
...
“The Sons of Salinas might be hard fighters, but they’re not soldiers and they don’t have a marksman worthy of the name to worry about.”
...
It was all very well being blasé about the Sons of Salinas, but fate had a strange sense of humour when it came to hubris, and it would be just his luck to make a crack like that and have a sniper blow his head off.
May or may not refer to headsploding via sniper (autorifle or lasweapon, hard to say.) or it may be figurative in this case. Like with stars :P


PAge 252
The back of the turret was supposed to be sealed, but parts had been cannibalised to repair a damaged Leman Russ and thus Tremain was able to lean inside. Two gunners sat in uncomfortable metal seats before a chunky fire-control console and flickering pict screen. Waves of static rippled over the screen, intermittently spiking with a juddering image of the weapons’ killing zone.
..

“One minute they seemed to be there, the next they were gone, and then the targeters went to hell.”

That was certainly true. The pict screen was a hash of grainy nonsense, the speakers buzzing with static howls that sounded like a wounded animal.

“Probably a surveyor malfunction,”
Turret gunnery and sensors. While not explicitly stated, the fact that parts were cannibalised to repair a Russ, and the fact we know from IA1 that static turrets often have some resemblence to those mounted on tanks, it seems reasonable that a tank might have similar gear. Hell we know bout the Chimera persicope from earlier.


Page 253
Tremain leaned over the wall again, sliding down his helmet’s visor and allowing the optical augmetics to adjust to the darkness.

The lurid green of the night vision made everything blurry and ghost-like, and at first he wasn’t sure what he was seeing, for it seemed too ridiculous to be true.
Augmetic/visor NVG



PAge 256
“I have the correct frequency, Captain Ventris, so it should only take another few hours for the backpack to become fully charged.”
A few hours for the Russ engine to charge up a suit of Power armour. While its hard to know how much the 'military' generator is outputting, we can make some generalizations.

First off, its unlikely they could power it off any civilian power source (Eg plugging it into the 40K equivalent of a wall socket.) Civilian power sources were insufficient. A wall socket can produce hundreds of watts potentially (Depending on the appliance.) One would assume that the tanks also produce more output than a car battery (which can be tens or hundreds of watts as well depending on draw.)

google would suggest that military genreators can be around the kilowatt range (2 kw seems common at least for the first few entries.)

For 2 kw and 2-3 hours we get between 14-21 MJ of power for the armour. Assuming Power armour has 100x the power consumption of a normal person (100 watts) you'd get about 1400 seconds of operation. Seems rather low, but *shrugs*

Of further interest was that the time to recharge was similiar to the time it takes a lasgun battery to charge. Wonder if you can charge those off a military generator!


Page 266
Now what? What in the name of the Emperor is going on? Why are they doing this?”

“They’re not,” said Uriel...
...
“What do you mean?” demanded Pasanius, firing over the sandbags into the monster attacking the medicae building. “I’d say they are.”

“This isn’t them,” persisted Uriel. “I don’t know what, but there’s something controlling them, I’m sure of it.”
Uriel recognizes that something has gained control over the Unfleshed. There's a real tragedy in this - Uriel promises to take care of them and protect them, and yet they get attacked by something he could never have defended them against. The potential, the hope of being redeemed has just gone straight down the toilet.



Page 267
Uriel watched the lead tank, the vehicle that had begun to power his armour, split the night with an incandescent spear of light from the lascannon mounted on its hull.

A beast with scything limbs fell, sheared in two by the beam, its entrails cooked and its blood boiled to steam.
Lascannon burst blows apart an Unfleshed in a single shot, partially vaporizing. since it doesnt seem to be a cutting beam, we might figure it blew a hole straight through the torso. It's hard to calc though, given the healing abilities and the mutations of the Unfleshed, but we know they're much larger and tougher than Astartes, who are much tougher than a person.


PAge 277-278
This was a harsh, grim galaxy and only those who could detach themselves from the ballast of emotion could rise above such petty concerns as morality or right and wrong to do what needed to be done.

He had known that since Colonel Landon had been killed at Koreda Gorge along with his senior officers. The men had called him Old Serenity, a name Barbaden found absurd. How could a name like that be suitable for a man who made war his profession?

Landon would not have had the stomach for the conquest of Salinas. His passions were too close to the surface and he cared too deeply for his men to have succeeded.

To Landon, bringing his men back alive in the face of the steel teeth of war was all important, but Leto Barbaden knew that if there was one resource the Imperium was not short of, it was manpower. Machines and weapons were precious commodities, but soldiers could always be replaced, and so too could populations.

It was a truth Barbaden had come to early in the war against the Sons of Salinas, realising that no matter how many people he killed, there would always be more. People were ugly, brutish confections of meat, bone and desires, living sordid little lives and breeding like flies as they went about their pointless lives.

It seemed inconceivable that no one else was able to see this, that life was nothing to be valued so highly.
Continuing my ealrier theme, it seems implied that the 'grimdark' attitude is actually fairly unusual in the 40K galaxy (amongst the Imperium) or one that is shared by people so high up (And consequently out of touch with reality, so to speak) that they lose the ability ot view people as anything other than statistics or numbers, rather than living, breathing beings.

It's also a bit hilarious to see the 'people are less important than machines' crap, given that the entire planet is chock full of abandoned tanks and shit (including Three Captail Imperialis) that the Imperium for whatever silly reason couldn't haul off the planet (out of universe we know its a contrivance.)

This whole scene is just an indicator that the grimdark angle is more belief and propoganda than it is reality (Although that isn't to say things are sunshine and light and ease in the Imperium either....)


Page 280
"No sooner did the diviner transcribe the words than a telepathic mnemo-virus implanted within the message erased his mind, completely.”
Psychic erasure of message. Security measure.


Page 281-282
How could he have been so blind to the bestial core of the Unfleshed? Yes, their outward appearance was that of monsters, but Uriel had seen past that to what he had believed was the human nobility at their heart.

Though he felt sure that some darker power was at work within them, he knew it would have found no purchase in souls that were pure. Some rotten canker must have lurked at the heart of the Unfleshed for this power to latch onto, and Uriel cursed himself for a fool for not seeing it.

The deaths of these soldiers were on his conscience, no matter what they might have done in the past to be deserving of retribution.
Another case where Uriel's idealism runs straight into the wall of reality. Again its pretty tragic how the Unfleshed have escaped the Iron Warriors homeworld and Honsou's idiocy to become the puppets of some other lunatic's agenda, and Uriel is forced into conflict with them despite his own hopes of redeeming the Unfleshed.


Page 284
“This was our world. We were loyal to the Golden Throne, but Barbaden wouldn’t listen to us. He killed our leaders and butchered our soldiers. What kind of people would we have been if we hadn’t resisted? And don’t pretend you’re better than me, enforcer. I can’t imagine that your hands are any less bloody than mine. How many terrified soldiers have knelt before you, begging for their lives before you shot them in the name of the Emperor? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands even?”

Nisato rounded on Pascal Blaise, his anger rising with every accusation hurled in his face.

“Yes, I’ve killed men too,” he snarled, “and every one of them deserved his fate. They had faltered in their service to the Emperor.”

“Then perhaps we are not so different after all,” said Pascal. “Perhaps right and wrong are just matters of perspective.”

Nisato sighed, the anger draining from him as the truth of Pascal Blaise’s words sank in.
...

“There is no right or wrong in our professions,” said Nisato. “The present changes the past from moment to moment. We can only pray for the future to vindicate our actions.”
...
“If this world is to survive, then it will be men like you that will save it. You have both done terrible things in your lives, but they are in the past. All that matters now is the future. Old hatreds must be put aside and new bonds forged between the people of this world. Do you understand?”
I like this scene because it puts much of the nature of the Salinas conflict into perspective, and shows that both sides have their good and bad moments, their grievances, and their own ghosts. The onyl real difference is the side they are on, and those divisions cannot last if the world is to make something of itself. It's so much more complex than just 'RAR FILTHY HERETIC DIE!' just becuase someone doesn't agree with the Imperium.



Page 297
Pasanius nodded and marched to join the red-jacketed soldiers, who advanced with their rifles blazing. Individually, lasguns were a poor man’s weapon, but gathered en masse, they were formidable and only a fool would underestimate the effect of a massed volley of fire.
An interesting insight, although another interpretation is that single lasgun shots do very little, but a barrage of shots (or a volley) can do quite a bit. Meaning that a lasgun on full auto (or several on full auto) could be as deadly as many other weapons (like a bolter.)


Page 314-315
The dreadful acolytes took up positions around them, forming a protective circle, and began to chant with a barely audible, static-like screech. Their low voices set up an atonal wall of sound without rhythm and Uriel felt the same deadening of the senses that he had felt when hooded.

“The Null-Servitors create a barrier of psychic feedback,” explained Leodegarius.

“Together with the lines of power inscribed in the floor, it will prevent any corruption from leaving this circle should I falter in my inquisition of your body and soul.”
Psychic-blocking servitors


Page 315
Cold, questing fingers prised open the lid of his mind and delved inside. Uriel’s immediate inclination was to resist and the mental barriers of his will began to erect in response to the invasion.
...

Uriel felt his entire body grow numb as the Grey Knight’s psychic essence forced its way through his defences and into his thoughts.
..
Yet even as the defensive architecture of his brain buckled under the strain of resistance, Uriel knew that such a struggle would be futile in the face of the Grey Knight’s power.
First test is a test of the mind, to search for taint or corruption


Page 319
"You have walked in that world and it falls to me to determine whether any of its corruption has returned with you, hidden within the meat and bones of your flesh."
Next test is of the body. Chaos corruption can hide in the mind/spirit/soul as well as the body, and you can't ignore either.


Page 320
“Have you heard of Saint De Haan of the Donorian sector?”
...
“He was an inquisitor who served the Emperor for over two centuries,” explained Leodegarius, “a man who rooted out heresy and corruption on over a thousand worlds."
Saint and Inquisitor of a single sector, and 'over a thousand worlds'.


PAge 321-322
Before he could picture images of seared flesh and the skin boiled from his bones, Uriel closed his eyes and plunged his left hand into the cauldron.
...
He could feel his skin blistering and melting in the oil as his fingers sought out the hilt of the dagger.
...
His hand was a raw, red thing, the meat boiled and layers of oily skin dripping from him in glistening, jellied
strings.
Uriel plunges his hand into a cauldron of boiling oil to retrieve a dagger.
..
"“In three days I shall return and we will examine your wound."[/qute]

The wound should begin healing by that time, or heal.


Page 327-328
Uriel closed his eyes and controlled his breathing, directing his body’s energies into healing and restoration.
..
He could not actually heal his wounded flesh in the manner of some psykers, but the mental energies of a Space Marine were such that with carefully directed thought patterns, learned over decades of study and application, he was able to focus his energies in replenishment.
..
Uriel’s throat ached where a blade had pierced it on Medrengard, the wound long since healed, but the scar and memory of it remaining. The burning ache in his hand where the holy oils had scalded him terribly faded to a dull ache. His chest tightened where a vengeful spine of the Norn Queen had pierced his flat, ribless torso, and amongst all these hurts, he recalled the memory of a hundred others.

Each would have killed a mortal, but his Astartes frame was proof against such injuries and he had survived them all, coming back stronger from each one. He would come back stronger from this as well.
Comment on Astartes durability and healing.. including an apparently ability to enhance healing speed if they focus on it.


Page 331
Uriel looked down at his hand and was amazed to see that virtually all trace of the horrific wounding was gone. The flesh was pink and new, raw and tender to be sure, but unmistakably whole once more.
After 3 days Uriel's badly burned hand has healed.


Page 336
“I just thought there would be a lot more… ritual.”

“Rituals are for heathen corpse-whisperers and sorcerers,” said Leodegarius, assuming a fighting pose. “I prefer more direct action.”
..
“So what are the rules?” he asked.
“You are such an Ultramarine,” grinned Leodegarius
And 5th edition Gray Knights. I actually suspect this is a joke by Leodegarius, as he also pokes fun at the Ultramarines love of rules.


Page 340
“The Judicium Imperator is not about winning or losing,” said Leodegarius, “it is about the struggle. I am a warrior of the Grey Knights and I carry the Emperor’s fire into the dark corners of the galaxy. Only a servant of the Ruinous Powers can defeat me. Had you bested me, it would have shown that you were an enemy of the Emperor and my warriors would have gunned you down.”
The GK takes it as a fact that (with the Emperor) he would be able to defeat two other AStartes simultaenously. And that is without armour.


Page 355
"In this region of space, the walls between the material realm and the heaving madness of the Warp are thin. The currents within the Sea of Souls are felt in this world and stir the dreams and nightmares of mortals, goading their fractious hearts to discord. Voracious predator creatures lurk in the depths of the warp, and in most places, such creatures cannot force themselves from their abode of the damned to our world without willing conduits or debased followers to ease their passage. But here… here daemonic beings of great power can force themselves through on their wn.”
Thin places. This can actually be one of the reasons why time and locations and other chronological or spatial factors might be important in warp 'rituals' (aside from the symbolic value, its likely that such 'thin places' come into alignment at certain times or places or shit.)


Page 356
"Salinas was cleansed of taint and displaced peoples from across the sector were brought in to repopulate the planet."
Like Armageddon or Tartarus (Dawn of War) Salinas was recolonised after a Daemonic incursion.


Page 357
“Salinas was freed from the grip of the daemonic, but great was the damage done beyond the merely physical. Though no trace of the warp remained, the very presence of so powerful a creature is anathema to the fabric of reality, and the invisible walls that separate our realm of existence from that of the immaterium were worn dangerously thin. And the daemonic will always seek to return to the places they once trod.”
It never clarifies whether the 'damage' was permanant, but I would imagine that if it was that realspace would be full of alot more permanant rifts, nor would rifts ever really close. hell places like the Eye would not need a constant influx of psychic energy to keep them open or feed their expansion.


Page 362
“Each of us has a spark inside us, a spirit or soul, call it what you will, and when we die it is released from our bodies to dissipate into the warp,” said Leodegarius, “but when so large a number of people die, gripped by such rage and terror as must have been felt by the people of Khaturian, their spirits can remain coherent.”
..
“Normally nothing, for such spirits are as swirling embers in a hurricane, but when there is a focus for them, something to direct their energies, they can influence the realm of the living. Even then, it is usually no more than phantasms and does not last for long, but something or someone is directing the power of these spirits and they are growing stronger with every passing moment.”
...
“The stronger the dead become, the more they draw the power of the warp to themselves, further weakening the walls that keep the immaterium from engulfing this world. If we do not stop this soon, the walls will collapse and the entire sector will become a gateway to the realm of Chaos."
Interesting that the dead souls/spirits/sparks can be 'held' here and tapped/directed as a source of power. Alot of this has some root in the 'Realms of Chaos' stuff as well.



PAge 364-365
“The energy of these spirits must have a focus that binds them here, someone with psychic ability, who is so consumed by rage that he has the power to wield such monstrous energies.”
...
"What’s left of him is hooked up to machines in the House of Providence, though to call what he has ‘life’ is stretching the term somewhat.”
...
"When Pascal Blaise brought him to me, I thought he was already dead, but he held on to life and just wouldn’t let go of it. He’d sustained burns to almost ninety percent of his body and had lost both his legs and one of his arms. His eyes had burned away and he’d lost the power of speech. I think he can hear, but it’s hard to tell. A machine breathes for him and another feeds him, while a third takes away his waste."
...
“Being trapped in the flesh of his destroyed body… that could have been the catalyst that allowed latent psychic powers to develop.”
More on the 'focus' and the souls anchored to it. The thing that really strikes me here is what they are describing is VERY reminisicent of the Emperor in many ways, and it makes me wonder if similar parameters apply (could be be an 'anchor' for many of the deaths in his name?)


Page 367
.,..a psycannon. Instead of bolt shells, this weapon fired consecrated bolts of purest silver that were the bane of the daemonic and unnatural.
Psycannon. I'm betting it doesnt fire bullets consecreated in the blood of an innocent.


Page 368
“It is a Nemesis weapon,” said Leodegarius, as if sensing Uriel’s scrutiny, “a blade forged by the finest artificers of Titan and quenched in the blood of a daemon.”
I bet its not forged in the ashes of burnt psykers either.


Page 375
Leodegarius hauled those that couldn’t be got round out of the way, the incredible power of his Terminator armour able to push tanks from their path as though they weighed nothing at all.
Terminator armour is able to push aside tank hulls easily.


Page 382-383
Both warriors held their polearms upright and their free hands were extende d as they chanted the same mantra. “Foul conjurations of the warp, we know thee. Unclean power from beyond the veil we abhor thee. Fell daemons of the Empyrean we defy thee.”

Leodegarius slammed his polearm onto the metal deck. “Thrice cursed you are and thrice damned be thee.”

Serj Casuaban cried out and Uriel felt the rush of power as an enormous white fireball exploded into life around the Grey Knights. Wreathed in the flames, Leodegarius and Cheiron shone like angels of the Emperor, the roaring power contained around them by sheer force of will.

“Spawn of evil I cast you from this place!” cried Leodegarius and the blazing white fireball filled the corridor. Billowing flames exploded outwards from the Grey Knights, and the screams of the ghostly figures were swallowed in the seething roar of the fire.

Uriel shielded Serj Casuaban from the flames as their power swirled around them. Metal groaned and hissed under the assault of Leodegarius’ purity, the very essence of his soul poured out in the cleansing fire of the Emperor.

In little over a few seconds it was ended, the nightmare howls silenced, and the terrifying roar of the fiery holocaust the two Grey Knights had unleashed at an end.
Grey Knight psychic powers in action.


Page 399
"I have the right of appeal to the Sector Governor, and do you think he’s going to let me swing for killing a few terrorists?”
Apparently BArbaden thinks that the Sector Governor has power to overrule Grey Knights.


Page 403-404 Spoiler
Uriel could not begin to imagine the horror the memory of what it had been forced to do would be like, and did not intrude on the Lord of the Unfleshed’s grief with mere words.

At last, the creature looked up and his gaze fastened on Uriel.

“Unfleshed did very bad things,” he said.

“No,” said Uriel. “All that hatred and killing, it was not you.”

“Yes, it was. We did it. My hand bloody. Tribe’s hands bloody. I saw blood and I tasted blood. Unfleshed bad.”

“No,” repeated Uriel. “Unfleshed not bad. You were used. It wasn’t your fault.”

“Emperor must hate us even more now.”

“He does not hate you,” said Uriel. “The Emperor loves you. Look.”

Uriel pointed to an aquila fashioned from beaten steel hanging on the wall, the earliest dawn light from a window opposite shining upon it and making it gleam like silver.

The Lord of the Unfleshed looked up at the gleaming eagle, his reflection thrown back at him. As Uriel looked at the distorted image, it appeared to ripple like the surface of a lake, and he found himself looking at the reflection of a handsome young boy, his face alight with youthful mischief.

The Lord of the Unfleshed gave a cry as he too saw the image. “Emperor loves me!”

Uriel moved to stand behind the Lord of the Unfleshed and raised the psycannon Leodegarius had given him.

“Yes, the Emperor loves you,” said Uriel, and pulled the trigger.
Man, this was a powerful moment for me. It's a strong reminder that despite being monsters and superhuman killers, they still have the minds and souls of children, and children who have suffered and endured much. And it's Uriel knowing this, and still ending the poor creature's life, which is what really strikes me. Uriel failed in his promise - even if it was no fault of his, he failed - and all that is left for him is to close the circle in the only way he can. The way it must hurt him to do this is palpable even if it is not stated here, because the story has really been building up to this point. And because Uriel failed.. he had to kill a child. Maybe it was neccessary, and it was done with mercy, but its a horrible, tragic thing, and you can actually tell what it costs him. He's not some cold, arrogant, unfeeling killmachine with superhuman powers. Indeed for all that 'demigod' aspect, he wasn't able to keep his promise, and that is quite significant. Even Astartes have limits - a concept we don't see addressed very often - at least not in this way.

And for anyone who says 40K can't ever have a powerful moment thematically well.. it doesn't always happen, but this is definitely one of them, for me at least.

It also really drives home that unlike alot of previous novels - or 40K novels in general - this one has no real "evil' enemy - except Barbaden perhaps. And even his evil is more an unknowing, unrealized kind (whereas the Chaos warriors of the last book, or the Nightbringer were a drastically different sort of evil.) All you have are humans of different stripes exihibiting those traits of humanity that are best - and worst - in us. It's easy to see a group of Chaos Marines or evil C'tan and know they have to be defeated, but what about a bunch of human caught up in a conflict like this?

And that ultimately is what makes this one of the best Ultrmaarines novels to date. It takes 'Dead Sky, Black Sun', redeems it and gives it closure, and takes it to a whole nother level of 40K storytelling. It very rarely gets better than this, amongst any authors, and Graham McNeill deserves much kudos for pulling this novel off as he did.



Page 405-407
The Thunderhawk banked as it followed the flight-path the ground controllers had indicated. Uriel looked out of the vision port on the side of the roaring gunship, watching as the dazzling white mountains sped by, their soaring, jagged tops wreathed in clouds.

It had been weeks since the battle in the House of Providence and his body and spirit still ached from the time spent on Salinas.
...
He ducked beneath the door to the cockpit, the interior filled with bright sunlight and shadows that moved as the pilots began the gunship’s descent into a steep-sided valley of glittering, quartz-rich rocks.

“Look,” said Pasanius, pointing through the armoured glass of the cockpit.

There it was, shimmering atop the mountain like a castle of gold and silver on a cloud.

Uriel found he could barely control his breathing and tears ran unchecked down his face at the sight of the marble towers, mosaic domes and high walls of luminescent stone.

“The Fortress of Hera,” said Pasanius, also in tears.

“Home,” said Uriel.
'weeks' to travel from Salinas to Macragge in context with the conversation. We know Salinas is in Segmentum Solar, so this is (quite literally) weeks to travel from Solar to Ultrama. I'd give it a good 50-60K LY distance at least (give or take 10-20K LY depending on where in Segmentum Ultima Salinas is.) Assuming 3 weeks at 50,000 LY we're talking some 866,000c At 60K LY we're talking over a million c. Assuming 2 weeks and crossing across both Solar AND Ultima, (80,000 LY) we could be talking 2 million c.
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Re: Ultramarines novels analaysis/discussion thread

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I decided to finish this up to clear the plate for everything else. So we'll get both the last books all at once. First, Courage and Honour. C&H is Ultrmarines/Imperium vs Tau. I found it, comparatively speaking, better as a story than Warriors of Ultramar (probably because the Tau are more than just EAT THE OTHER SIDE, DESTROY! and can have personalities and agendas of their own.) I didn't find it as compelling as Kililng Ground, not as emotional, but there was still plenty there. We revisited the world from Nightbringer, and we get plenty of tragedy as various factions try to prevent or assist the Tau from claiming the world. There's lots of betrayals and lots of tragedies and a definite 'Tau vs Imperial' look at things. I can't say i totally agreed with the depiction of the tau here (it felt more like Kill Team in that regard.. I get the feeling Graham has a more pessimistic view of the tau than many tau fans and some of the codex writers pre-6th had of the tau.) but its not grossly out of line either so its not a major issue, just more a taste thing.

I think its mainly notable that we have a 'closing the circle' sort of feeling here.. we bring Uriel back around fro where he started in Nightbringer, and through Warriors of Ultramar to reach a new point and to be a new person. And not just Uriel, but Learchus.. they're both vastly different people than when the series first started, and we see tht very much in this series.

We also have a Priest ASshole who fills in for my normal honsou-hating in these books in the form of Culla. He is the most detestable character in teh book (bar none) and the worst side of the Imperium all told. And one of the weakest elements I think, although his clear bigotry has a motivating purpose in the story.

So, three part update. This is part 1

inserts:
Planetary Designation: Pavonis
Imperial Reference: AD Terra 101.01 [M/FW—Industrial World: Ultima
Segmentum]
...
Population: Eleven billion
...
Planetary Garrison: 44th Lavrentian Hussars—Reduced Strength.
Planetary Draft: On hold, pending Administratum review and sanction.
...
Chief Exports: Tank chassis, engines and ordnance. Local liquor known as Uskavar.
Insert:
Pavonis is a world Typical of the Eastern Fringe, productive, hard-working and, previously, able to function with minimal intervention from the Administratum.
However, such independence can foster a dangerously independent ‘frontier spirit’ that often manifests in worlds distant from Terra.


Page 16
Lights flickered on the domed surface of the device, and Uriel’s auto-senses detected a low-level pressure pulse sweep over the landscape.

Some kind of three-dimensional cartographic device?
Uriels autosenses detect an active sensor pulse.



PAge 15-16
..the prey was not yet fully in the killing box, and the risk of their target detecting vox-traffic was too great.
...
“Primary units, engage,” he whispered into his throat mic, knowing it was the last order he would need to issue in this engagement.

The Pathfinder’s head snapped up as soon as the words left Uriel’s mouth, but it was already too late for the tau.
Tau can detect Imperial (Space Marine) vox transmissions.


Page 17
The first detonated above a pair of Pathfinders as they sought to reach the cover of the trees, shredding their bodies into torn masses of butchered meat and shattered armour plates. The second slammed into the frontal armour of the Devilfish with a thunderous bang followed by a smeared explosion of black smoke and shrapnel.

The Devilfish rocked under the impact of the missile, but its armour remained intact.
..
The tank tried to reverse its turn, but the missiles were faster.

One punched through the rear assault ramp as the other slammed into the left engine nacelle. The back of the Devilfish exploded in a spray of red-hot fragments, scything down another Pathfinder. A secondary blast completed its destruction, and the blazing vehicle crashed to the ground.
Frag missile overpowers tau Pathfinder armour.
Front armour on Devilfish resists misisle impact, but on other facings its much less resilient. Missiles also much faster than AG transport as well.


Page 18
..a third screamed in agony as the explosion of a mass-reactive shell ripped his arm from hisshoulder.


Bolt round amputates limb




Page 18
Uriel dropped to one knee and swung his gleaming, eagle-plated bolter to his shoulder. The weapon’s targeting mechanism was synced to his helmet...
Bolter weapon link to the armour



Page 18
His bolter slammed back with a fearsome recoil, and the Pathfinder dropped, the bottom half of his right leg pulped by the shell’s detonation.
Bolter round pulps leg without removing it, and has significant recoil, for some reason.



Page 20
The kill-team of scouts gathered their photo-absorptive camo-cloaks from the ruins, cloaks that ensured the first inkling most targets had of the scouts’ presence was the sound of the shot that blew their head off.
Scouts.



PAge 22-23
Learchus reached down and hauled the prisoner to his feet, and Uriel was impressed by its defiant body language. This creature was from an alien species, a race utterly apart from humanity, yet the hostility in its posture was unmistakeable.

..
..Uriel found himself looking down at the face of the prisoner.
...

The alien’s amber pupils burned with hostility.
The Smurfs take a prisoner. A very hostile one at that. What happened to that Greater Good stuff?



Page 23
Uriel’s enhanced cognitive faculties were able to sort the streams into word groupings, but he could make no sense of them.
Uriel can make a lil sense out of Tau language, even if he can't understand it. He infers the whole 'name, rank serial number' thing and the trooper's name.



Page 26
Behind them, the hull of the Thunderhawk that had brought them from the Grey Knight vessel in orbit creaked and popped as it cooled after its rapid descent through the atmosphere.
The GK return Uriel and Pasanius to Macragge. That can explain the rapid transit from the previous book, given that GK have some of the fastest vessels in the Imperium.



Page 26-27
“We’re home,” said Pasanius, but Uriel was too choked with emotion to reply. His closest friend and battle-brother was crying, tears of joy falling unashamedly from his eyes as he swept his gaze over the high walls and glittering ramparts of the fortress.

Uriel reached up and touched his face, not at all surprised to find that he too was weeping with the sheer, boundless sense of homecoming that threatened to unman him with its intensity.
Uriel and Pasanius - capable of emotion. Rathre another thing that sets them apart from other Astartes. How often do you see that sort of emotional attachment to something?



Page 34
Jenna heard the clicking of their micro-bead vox and waited.
Pavonis enforcers have their own micro-beads.



Page 40
Mederic had irritated her, having done little to conceal his attraction to her. She told herself it was his obvious desire and disparaging of her skills that had annoyed her, but it was more than that. It was the fact that he didn’t belong here. He was an outsider.

Never mind that she too was not native to Pavonis, this was her world because she had fought to defend it. Though the Lavrentians were here to safeguard her adopted home world, their presence was a visible symbol that the Imperium did not trust the people of Pavonis.
The first of a number of quotes highlighting an important aspect of this novel: there is a distinction drawn between 'The Imperium' and the people of Pavonis. The Imperials are considered outsiders and intruders, and while part of the Imperium (technically) the people of Pavonis do not seem to feel they are in fact Imperials. Even Sharben here, who in Nightbringer was an Arbites feels she is more a member of the planet than the Imperium (there does not seem to be any other arbites presence on the planet.. only an enforcer cadre in training.)

The tensions and resentment betwene the Imperium and Pavonis, unfounded as it was (the Imperium saved the planet, remember.) form something of a tragedy for this book, because it leads them into near-treason again and makes it impossible for the Imperium to trust them again.




Page 41
The crimson-painted Rhino of Prelate Culla was parked at the foot of the great statue of the Emperor..
...
Robed in the emerald chasuble of a predicant of the Lavrentian 44th, Culla trained for battle with the soldiers to whom he daily preached.
The regimental priest of the Hussars has his own Rhino. Was it provided by the Ecclesiarchy, or was it part of the Hussar's detachment?



PAge 44
...Lavrentian Hydra flak tanks, and armed patrols of green-jacketed Guardsmen in silver breastplates...
Hussars apparently have rigid plating as standard as well as their flak. As well as the Hydra tanks.



Page 45
An immaculately maintained Chimera, painted in the colours of the Lavrentian 44th, was parked beside the command centre, together with an altogether less impressive half-track, emblazoned with the white rose of the Pavonis PDF.
IG and PDF transports.. a half track (local design probably) and a Chimera (for the IG.. although that might be for the officer.)



Page 52
“We’ve heard nothing from sector command about a renewed offensive,” said Alithea Ornella. “After your Chapter’s victories at Zeist and Lagan, Imperial Strategos are of the opinion that the tau have withdrawn to their previous holdings.”
There is at least some coordination and exchange of information (at the sector level) between subsectors and planets, and presumably fairly short transmission times at that.



Page 53-54
“I think the nature of Pavonis makes it an attractive prospect for the tau,” said Uriel, circling the table as he gathered his thoughts. “Before the de Valtos rebellion, it was the hub of the sub-sector trade networks. As much as the cartel system placed a dangerous amount of power in the hands of individuals unsuited to wield it, those individuals were formidable merchants as well as producers. Trade is in the blood of this world."
...
“In practically every instance where Imperial forces have fought the tau, it has been on worlds where xenos diplomats or traders have first made secret overtures to the planetary leadership through its mercantile concerns, offering co-operation and commerce. If the planet’s leaders are foolish enough to accept this offer, trade links are quickly forged, and the tau influence grows as the planet’s rulers become wealthy. Soon after, the tau establish a military presence, which transforms into a full-scale occupation within the space of a few months. By the time the populace realise what is happening, it is already too late, and an Imperial world has become part of the tau empire.”
..
“The tau aren’t like other races you’ve fought, Lord Winterbourne,” said Uriel, choosing his words carefully. “They are not like the green-skins or the hive fleets. They do not lay waste to worlds indiscriminately or seek destruction for destruction’s sake. Their entire race works for the good of the species, and, in fact, there is much to admire about them.”
...
“Indeed, and any world the tau set their sights on that does not welcome their advances will be attacked with all the fury their armies can muster. The tau offer a simple choice: either join their empire willingly, or you will be conquered and made part of the empire.”
...
“Yes. The tau will believe that the commercial mindset of this planet’s leaders makes them receptive to their advances when the time comes to begin the assimilation of Pavonis.”
Uriel discusses Pavonis' subsector trade importance (and the trade networks at least at subsector level) as well as the reasons the tau might want it.

We also get a repetition of Tau tactics in taking worlds (particularily from the Imperium.) Uriel has respect for a filthy xenos. Oh, and the tau will conquer the planet they want if they don't willingly join.




Page 68
“Before the Heresy, the Legions were autonomous fighting formations, equipped with their own ships, manufacturing capabilities and command authority. The Codex broke that up and set out how the Space Marines should be organised so that no one man could ever hold such power again.”
While I'm sure Uriel meant it differently, It's worth pointing out this really hasn't changed post Heresy. They tsill have their own fleets and manufacturing capabilities and even a command authority (over troops and regions of space.) It's just not an integrated chain of command anymore.



PAge 71
“Ardaric Vaanes is a classic example of a fate that can overcome even the best of us if we are not vigilant,” said Tigurius, and Uriel heard the warning in the Librarian’s tone. “Every one of us constructs self-enhancing images of ourselves that make us feel special, never ordinary, and always of greater stature than we are. This is at the core of what makes a Space Marine such a fearsome opponent, the complete and utter belief in his ability to achieve victory no matter the odds against him. It boosts his courage, his self-esteem, and protects him from the psychological tribulations of being surrounded by death and forever immersed in battle. After all, every one of us thinks we are better than the average."
...
“As much as they help us, these egocentric biases can be maladaptive,” said Tigurius, “blinding us to our failings and obscuring the awful truth that people exactly like us behave just as badly in certain evil situations. You assume that other people will fall to their vices, but not you, and do not armour your soul against temptations, believing that nothing bad can affect you, even when you know how easily it can happen.”
So they set out to deliberately make Space Marines egotistical. Actually I'm overstating the case a bit, but we can see where alot of the interpersonal and attitude problems an Astartes have come from in this. That it is a neccessary part of the training/indoctrination process is.. interesting. It does sort of enhance that whole 'psychic avatar/champion' mentality.. because if they think it and believe it strongly enough the warp can make it more true (esp if reinforced with the beliefs of others.)

One also has to wonder how this ties in with the comments made by the Janiceps astropaths in Killing Ground about the 'locked potential' of the Astartes and how it was forbidden to unlock it (and how restrained the wonderful mind of an Astartes was.) These two viewpoints seem a bit... conflicting.




Page 73-74
..as the senior adept of the Administratum on Pavonis, Lortuen had made the best of what was left to him.
..
...his masters had only accepted the scions of the Shonai as candidates for the role of Imperial Commander once they had agreed with his recommendation that no outsider be appointed to the position.
By 'outsider' I gather they refer to an Administratum official in command of the planet. It reflects a certain measure of common sense (amazingly) for the Imprium in this regard - there's alot of ill will and resentment on the planet towards the intrusion of the Imperium, despite knowing that the planet's own inhabitants fucked up by the numbers. Which leads to things becoming evne moe fucked up...

It really highlights the difference betwene 'Imperial' and 'Imperial allied' on this planet.



Page 74
...aggressively pursue trade links with off-world conglomerates and merchant houses. With little infrastructure left in place, the planet’s economy was fragile at best, but Koudelkar was not a man given to timidity, and the newly reconstructed palace was forever host to delegations from nearby systems, each seeking exclusive trading rights with Pavonis.

It made for a heady, cosmopolitan atmosphere and had certainly brought revenue to Pavonis.
Brief commentary on offworld trade and subsector economics. The intresting thing I always find about the subsector economics stuff is how it plays into the 'independence/interdependency' of the Imperial worlds. Depending on various sources, worlds can be 'dependent' on one another, yet they can also be independent by others. One might infer that a majority of worlds (Barring the truly old ones like Necromunda, or low value ones with minimal resources of value to the Imperium.) are more or less independent in most respects, but that they may specialize in certain kinds of items that may be important at the subsector/sector level (we see plenty of indication of specialization in world exports, as well as military forces.) A classic example is of course the need for resources and food that hive and forge worlds can have, and the specialized natures of mining and agri worlds to provide those resources.

Likewise, there can be stated that there is an economic inter-dependence. Over time worlds and economies can become such that they rely on one another for wealth and prosperity and important commodities that may become an integral part of one society or another. In that way a world might still survive in some form on the basic necessities, but the society (or government) may collapse without the economic and industrial ties it developed (like when a warp storm occurs, or freak economic shifts fuck over one planet's economy.)



Page 75
Two gene-bulked skitarii in archaic-looking breastplates, hung with fetishes and carved with binaric oaths, provided more immediate protection for the governor.

The skitarii had been a gift from High Magos Roxza Vaal, the highest-ranking Mechanicus adept of the Diacrian Belt, for the swift restoration of machine imports to the refinery belt of the south-east.

Their swollen, bio-mechanical bodies and weapon implants were capable of immense violence, harking back to a barbarous age of gladiatorial combats, and truth be told, they scared Lortuen more than the Space Marines. You knew where you stood with the Adeptus Astartes, but these cybernetic monstrosities were a law unto themselves. Both were heavily scarred and tattooed, looking more like deep-sump hive-world gangers than guards appropriate for a Planetary Governor.
The Planetary governor of Pavonis has two skitarii bodyguards given as 'gifts' - apparently Skitarii are not wholly restricted to the AdMech and can be used as a commodity just as anything else are. Of course knowing the AdMech it might also be a double-edged gift.. watchdogs put in place ot make sure everything functions smoothly....



Page 76
...brass cogitators softly chattered along the entire length of one wall, with ticker-tape data-streams of the sector markets fluctuations, raw material prices and system currencies.
The data of subsector and sector trade. It implies a fairly regular updating basis, although whether that is daily, weekly, hourly, or what we dont know, and it oculd be any of those. Given typical astropathic transmission times over a sector (EG as extrapolated from Eisenhorn or other novels) we might figure hourly or less.



Page 80
“An appropriate response would be to authorise a deployment of the 44th and to raise your alert level,” said Winterbourne. “Then activate the Secondary and Tertiary Reserves.”
Pavonis PDF has 'primary' forces, as well as secondary and tertiary reserves , much as the forge world forces in titanicus had different 'levels' of PDF forces.



Page 81
..I am engaged in complex negotiations with several powerful subsector trading conglomerates to assure this planet’s future prosperity.
More subsector-level trading corporations/cartels, which again indicates factions/groups within the region operating across multiple planets.



Page 85
“We age, but at a much slower rate than mortals.”
Uriel notes Astartes onyl age much more slowly than mortals, not that they're immortal.



Page 87
The array was a jagged spine often thousand vox-masts, none less than five hundred metres high, secured by wire-wound guys anchored deep into the rock of the mountain.

It allowed long-range vox-units to function, gathering, relaying and transmitting communications traffic across the surface of the planet.

Such was its power that even interplanetary communication was facilitated, albeit with a significant time lag.

The Kaliz Array had been constructed by the Vergen cartel nearly eight centuries ago, and its structures were sheened with verdigris and required constant maintenance. The hundred adepts, techs, maintenance workers and servitors tasked with keeping the array functional were housed at Mechanicus Station Epsilon in a collection of boxy structures huddled together in the lee of a sheer cliff far below the swaying masts.

Topped with leisurely rotating dish antennas and sheltered from the worst of the biting winds, the structures were nevertheless draughty, damp and cold. Even in such uncertain times, where money and employment were scarce, rumours of brain malignancies caused by vox radiation and the inhospitable conditions ensured that only the very desperate volunteered for duty at the Kaliz Array
Planetary comm array for communication both off and on world. Note the references to dangerous radiation (which could be legit or it could be a joke on the same things said about cell phones. It being literal in this case could be due to the difference in size and power of the comms (or their concentration) or the nature of the radiation.) Also comments on the economic opportunities (EG people DO get paid, its not directly slave labor.)

Also as we learn, keeping it centralized offers some significant.. disadvantages. Which the tau are quick to exploit. given the commentary about its origins and maintenance I suspect economic factors were a primary motivator, which is pretty consistent with the way Pavonis ran everything else.



Page 88
His hood billowed, and the icy wind bit into his body like a scavenger worrying a bone, threatening to toss him back down the slopes they’d spent most of the day climbing. His foul-weather slicker was old and thin, and he was tired, cold and wet through. He couldn’t afford to replace the slicker, and the adepts of the Machine-God seemed disinclined to care overmuch for their techs by issuing heavy-duty ones.
I'm amazed they were given any cold weather gear at all.



Page 89
...a silent pack servitor with an elongated spine, gene-bulked shoulders and a simian posture that enabled it to carry huge loads across rugged, mountainous terrain unsuitable for vehicles. The servitor carried all their food and water, as well as basic medicae kit, ropes, an all-weather vox and a pair of battered lascarbines.
Pack servitor. When mules aren't available, use a dead corpse.



Page 89
...Diman knew he’d forgotten to switch off the inter-helmet vox.
I'm not sure whether this refers to them having vox communication between themselves, or just some sort of external speaker.



Page 96
Diman threw a panicked glance over his shoulder in time to see the pack servitor brought down by a pulsing volley of blue-hot beams of light. Smoking holes were blasted clean through its meaty bulk, and Diman didn’t want to think about the kinds of weapons that could inflict such damage on a pack servitor or what they would do to his body.
Tau weapons on pack servitor. seem to be beam weapons here rahter than projectiles, though the Kroot are using bullets.



Page 97
Long ago training from his days in the Tertiary Reserve kicked in, and Diman dropped to one knee with his lascarbine pulled in tight to his shoulder.
Weapons ownership on Pavonis seems to be fairly open. Tertiary reserve I suspect might be for older adults in the civilian populace. This might mean Secondary reserve are younger civilian males (for whom the training might be more recent and/or more frequent. Either Diman is not in the REserve anymore or they don't do more than very infrequent training.)



Page 97
..Gerran’s killer was punched from its feet, a ragged, smoking hole blasted in its chest. The ancient lascarbine hissed in the rain as it fired, and Diman hurriedly cycled the firing mechanism...
Some sort of weird lasgun that is some sort of bolt action or semi auto analogue? Pump action shotgun? Who knows.



Page 97
..A stuttering volley of solid rounds blasted into the rock beside him,
Kroot are using solid bullets rather than pulse ammo.



Page 100
Those unwise enough to demand rights for workers injured in the line of duty, or to voice any opinions on the cartels deemed subversive, would soon find their doors smashed down in the middle of the night. Squads of enforcers would drag them from their beds and toss them into the hellish confines of the Correctional Facility.
PAvonis in its Capitalist Paradise days. I'm amazed anyone would actually suggest workers rights in the Imperium at all given the total thematic emphasis on grimdark.



Page 106
The second aircraft was a smaller Aquila-class lander, its swept forwards, eaglewing design giving rise to its honourable name. Its wings and side panels bore the golden horse heraldry of the 44th Lavrentian Hussars..
The Hussars have at least one Aquilae lander. Where they got it we don't know, but this one is carrying the commanding officer and his bodyguard so it may be assigned to his personal use. Still.. guard using shuttles.



Page 108
..enhancing the thermal imaging display of his visor to better penetrate the shadows of the mountain..
Thermal imaging in power armour.



Page 110
..drawing his sword, a magnificently fashioned sabre with a curved blade and a network of crystalline filaments worked along its length that crackled with fire.
Some kind of power weapon?



Page 111
The colonel of the Lavrentians drew his sidearm, a simple laspistol with a matt black finish. The weapon was standard issue and old, very old, but clearly well cared for.
Winterbourne's laspistol. Important for later, but it was his father's which is a nice bit of sentimentality. I also wonder if this means he was born 'into the regiment' in its various battles as the soldiers might be, or what?



Page 116
For breaking the Codes of Rectitude, Pasanius had been sentenced to a hundred days in the Chapter cells and to endure exclusion from the ranks of the 4th Company for the time it took Macragge to orbit its sun.
He goes in just beofre Uriel leaves, and he's supposed to be free when Uriel gets back. May or may not reflect a timeframe.



Page 125
“The arrays are non-functional,” said Harkus, his voice flat and devoid of tone. A whirring lens apparatus clicked into place over the Techmarine’s right eye. “The residual flux readings tell me the generators are still functional, and…”
...
“I can see a number of attached devices that do not belong on this equipment,”
Techmarine can tell when the vox gear is modified based on simple observation



Page 126
“Unknown, but they are not of Imperial manufacture.”
“Tau?”
“The energy patterns match previously encountered xenotech,”
tau tech can be identified by its 'energy patterns' - at least by a TEchmarine.



Page 126
The air snapped and fizzed with discharge, and Uriel’s auto-senses were fluctuating wildly with the distortion and interference generated by the masts. An army of greenskins could be hidden within a hundred metres of him and he wouldn’t know it. With a thought, he disengaged all but the most basic of his auto-senses..
variable setting of auto senses (Sensitivity, range or whatever.)



Page 133
...Koudelkar the opportunity to process the multifarious transactions and business deals he was negotiating.

Many of the deals were with off-world clients, powerful guild entities in nearby systems, and even one in a neighbouring sub-sector.
Scope and distance of contract negotiation.. tens of light years away easily.



Page 136
Winterbourne shot the creature square in the face, the blast tearing away most of its skull.
Kroot has 'most' of its skull blasted away by Winterbourne's laspistol (Standard issue, remember.) at least a couple kj for a blaster style weapon, but could be higher. (A 10x10 cm area blasted away, assuming 400 j per sq cm 'flaying' flash burns, would be 40 kj)



Page 136
A storm-trooper dropped as a solid shot took him low in the gut, and another fell as a kroot fighter slammed a serrated blade into his chest.
Kroot blades can penetrate (Lavrentian) storm trooper armour, although whether the shot penetraded is up for debate. Context implies he might have survived, but we don't know enough to be sure.

Also reiterates the Kroot using solid shot rather than pulse ammo. They're even using those rounds against the Ultramarines.



Page 141
..a genetic defect in her retinal structure meant that she was an unsuitable candidate for ophthalmic surgery, and was now forced to wear eyeglasses to see much beyond her immediate surroundings.
eye surgery seems to be an option, at least for those with wealth.



Page 145
It was humanoid, standing at least twice the height of a man and was a thing of beauty. Fashioned from plates of what looked like olive green ceramics, it was constructed with a fine sense of craftsmanship as well as aesthetics. Its rectangular head mount turned towards him, and, though it resembled nothing so much as a remote picter, Koudelkar felt sure there was intelligence lurking behind the blinking red light of its lens.
Some sort of Tau battlesuit.



Page 146
and that the implanted rotary cannons of the skitarii were spooling up.
Skitarii have rotary cannon.



Page 146
“Mykola,” he hissed, “what have you done?”

“What needed to be done to save our world from being taken from us by outsiders,” said his aunt, sending a withering glance towards Adept Perjed as she strode towards the aircraft..
To the inhabitants of Pavonis, the Imperial adepta and its representatives, the troops, and pretty much most of its forces are all outsiders. They don't really 'belong' to the planet despite the world technically being part of the Imperium. There is a distinction of sorts here.



Page 151
His armour was holding, but it wouldn’t take much for the alien to get lucky and find a weaker spot. Though the blows weren’t penetrating his armour, he could feel the pain of each impact.
Uriel anticipates the Kroot could eventually find a way through his armour. Whether he means attacking a less-armoured point (the joints) or the integrity of his armour was degraded by damage.



Page 161
Armoured vehicles lined three sides of the parade ground: Leman Russ Conquerors, Hellhounds, Basilisk artillery pieces and row upon row of Chimeras.
Lavrentian units.



Page 162
Camp Torum was home to Sword Command of the 44th Lavrentian Hussars, the largest and most heavily armed of the four commands deployed to Pavonis. Of the other commands, Lance were based on the coast at Praxedes, Shield at the bridge city of Olzetyn, and Banner on the outskirts of the Jotusburg slum, each comprising three thousand mechanised infantry, light armour units and mobile artillery.
Lavrentian have at least 12,000 troops in 4 different 'commands' The truly interesting thing about this is that they're fully mechanised in addition to the armour and artillery. Indeed, the use of basilisks as well as Conqueorrs (LIGHT TANKS?) is the most interesting bit as well as the fact they're one of the biggest mechanised forces this side of the Steel Legion or Jourans.



Page 162
Some eight thousand soldiers were based at Torum, nearly half of the regiment’s strength on Pavonis.
I spoke too soon. We're now up to oh.. 17,000 troops. Nearly as large as the Jourans, and far more mechanised/armoured.



Page 162
Their few super-heavies sat in hardened shelters originally designed for aircraft, but with the heavy fighting further out on the fringe, most of the planet’s air power had been stripped by Battlefleet Ultima.
They also have some super-heavies. Also the planet has very little in the way of an air force as the Navy has tithed away most of their craft.



Page 162
Sentinels patrolled the edge of the camp...
...
..six Hydra flak tanks scanned the heavens for aerial threats.
They have Sentinels and Hydras.



Page 161-163
It had been good to rest the regiment on Pavonis after sustained front-line operations, for the strain had begun to tell in the number of disciplinary infractions and combat fatigue citations sent up the chain from platoon commanders.

Pavonis had been a relatively easy deployment, a chance to ease down from the stress and exhaustion of combat operations, and an opportunity to refresh the soldiers in urban pacification duties. Such work was inglorious, but necessary, and Ornella ensured that any duty given to the 44th Lavrentian Hussars was completed to the highest standards.
...
As demanding as urban operations were, an inevitable sense of complacency soon set in. Patrols became routine, boredom crept up and patterns became predictable. Though no professional soldier relished the thought of being shot at, they soon began to chafe at the forced idleness of garrison duty and actually longed to get back to an active warzone.
Commentary on frontline duty vs rear echelon (garrison/urban pacification ) duty. I imagine this is another way



Page 163
Mederic commanded the Hounds, the 44th’s Scout Platoon, and was a man used to operating on his own initiative.
Scout platoon. There are horsemen (although whether they are for show or rough riders we don't know) but the Scouts seem to be on foot.


Page 166-168
Private side chapels had once been dedicated to the Emperor by the cartels, each paying a substantial tribute to the templum’s coffers to secure a burial place for their d eparted leaders. Gaetan had thought the practice repugnant, but Bishop Irlam, the templum’s former master, had been little more than a mouthpiece for the cartels, and his pockets had been lined with their silver.
...
..the Administratum had decreed that the chapels be re-consecrated to the glory of the Emperor without favour to any one organisation.
...
That had been the only time the directives of the Administratum had proven to be helpful, and Gaetan railed against such interference whenever he could. It was difficult when bureaucrats controlled every aspect of the planet’s workings, men with no understanding of faith and the importance of devotion. For the sake of unity, Gaetan reluctantly obeyed their directives, and continued to preach his doctrine of quiet industry and devotion to the Emperor.

He knew it was not a doctrine that found much favour on the Eastern Fringe, but it was one that had served him well over the years, and he was too set in his ways to change. Out here, preachers who bellowed for war and filled the hearts of men with hatred were the norm.
..

..while he could appreciate the value of such doctrine on this frontier of mankind’s dominion of the galaxy, it was not a creed he would willingly preach. Hatred and violence only bred more of the same, and to oppose such things with the light of the Emperor’s wisdom was the lonely path trodden by Gaetan Baltazar alone.
...
“I fear you will have a hard time convincing people of your beliefs where you are going,” the venerable abbot had said, sipping a honeyed tisane. “The Eastern Fringe is a place of war.”
...
“How better to end war than by preaching peace?”

“The Emperor’s creed is war,” Malene reminded him. “His doctrine was spread from Terra through the barrels of guns and on the blades of swords. It has survived because we defend that faith. That’s not just a flowery term, Gaetan. It has meaning. You think the Ecclesiarchy schools you in the arts of war for no reason?”

“No. I know why we are trained to fight, but I do not believe that violence is the key to the Emperor’s wisdom. There is much to His teachings that are beautiful, and have nothing to do with war and death. Those are the parts of His word I wish to take to the people of the Imperium.”

“Aye, there is beauty,” agreed Malene, “but even a rose needs thorns to defend it. How will your doctrine of hard work turn aside an enemy intent on slaying you? How will it give those to whom you minister the faith to stand against the many threats that lurk in the darkness? There are vile foes in the galaxy that care nothing for our teachings, races that will meet your pretty words with murder. I fear you have set yourself an insurmountable task, my friend.”
Commentary on the 'varied' approaches to Imperial faith, including the corrupt type. The one thing I dislike about this story is how this aspect is given short shrift (which I'll mention later.) Granted this is more of a 'war' story like WoU, but the idea that all priests have to always be happy about fighting is, for me, pretty damn stupid. Again I feel this is a wasted opportunity, given the priest here hates to fight but is a skilled warrior. More could have been done with that.




Page 175
"You destroyed a gargant, a war machine with the power to level cities.."
Gargant firepower.



Page 179
This was an alien soldier, one of high rank if he was a noble, and businessmen did not bring armed men to a negotiation. His anger rose in a tide, and Koudelkar felt the desire to talk with these aliens fade like a half-remembered dream. He shook his head. What had he been thinking? Dealing with xenos creatures? The very idea was ludicrous.

With that thought, the last of whatever subtle manipulation had been worked upon him vanished and he saw the truth of Lortuen’s words.
...
“I’m saying what you should have said long ago and what I would have said had this bastard not influenced me with some form of xenos mind control!”
Interesting in that it suggests that the Tau (or at least the Ethereals, and I'm pretty sur ewe're seeing one of those here) use some sort of mind control that influences even humans. The fact that the tau use mind control to influence people into joining the tau is not surprising. Like with trade and diplomacy, corrupting and bribery are cheaper and more productive than military invasion. For the Greater Good, and all that.

On the other hand, it's quite deceptive and underhanded, and quite nicely illustrates how the Tau will do anything to get what they want. Not that that makes them unique amongst the 40K galaxy.

The only other question is whether the mind control is technological or something else. It probably isnt psychic.



Page 180
Aun’rai sighed. “This is most regrettable. I was led to believe you would be willing to enter into a partnership with us for the greater good of all.”
...
“I have come to expect such narrowness of vision from your species, but I hoped this time would be different,” said the alien envoy. “But make no mistake; Pavonis will be part of the Tau Empire. It would have been better if you had embraced the idea and become part of this planet’s future, but I see now that you are just as blinkered and hate-filled as the rest of your selfish race.”
..
“You are wrong about us, Adept Perjed,” said Aun’rai, with a faint trace of regret, “but it is too late for a peaceful resolution.”
They're much nicer about it than the Imperium (except perhaps in the Great Crusade era) but they're as arrogant and expansionist as most other races.



Page 181
The battlesuits cycled their weapons up to fire, and the bronze-armoured skitarii with an implanted cannon and grenade launcher opened fire.
Skitarii have grenade launchers as well as rotary cannon



Page 181
One of the battlesuits collapsed, its upper half a smoking ruin where a series of grenades had blown it apart.
Skitarii take down battlesuit



Page 181
Then the battlesuits opened fire.

Three of the Lavrentians were immediately slain, shredded in a blitzing storm of fire. Their bodies literally ceased to exist as limbs were torn from bodies and torsos were vaporised in the relentless hail of shells. The survivors scattered, but, to their credit, they were still fighting, snapping off shots at their attackers as they ran for cover. Another battlesuit was brought down by their fire, its chest punctured and cratered with las-burns.
Possibly up to 6 battlesuits explode/vaporize bodies of 3 Storm troopers. The other 7 return fire, and take down another Battlesuit.



Page 182
One skitarii dropped to its knees with a smoking, fist-sized hole blasted in its chest. Even as it died, it sent a string of grenades sailing into the troop compartment of Aun’rai’s drop-ship. Flames and smoke erupted from within the aircraft, and Koudelkar heard horrifying screams of pain from the tau soldiers within. Flaming bodies tumbled from the craft, which sagged on its skids as secondary explosions blew out its sides and an engine.
We dont know what puts the hole int he skitarii - couldbe pulse weapon or the burst cannon, but it takes down a dropship even as it dies.



Page 184
Searing beams of pulsing weapons fire slashed the air as Uriel and his warriors charged towards the slumped drop-ship. He heard impacts of hard energy against ceramite plates as several shots struck home. One pulse hit the curve of his shoulderguard and ricocheted past his helmet, another struck his greave. Neither was powerful enough to stop him.

His bolter bucked in his hand as he fired. One of the tau pitched backwards, his chest and shoulder blown out by the mass-reactive bolt. Another volley flashed, and Uriel felt one tear through the weaker joint at his waist. Even as the pain registered, balms dulled it, and medicae systems began treating the wound.
Tau and Ultramarines exchange fire.



Page 184
“Frags!” he shouted, unsnapping a pair of textured discs from his belt harness.
Disc shaped grenades. But no more dispensers! :P
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Part 2




Page 186
“Precious little glory in this,” sneered Learchus. “They have no stomach for a real fight.”

Uriel nodded, kicking one of the tau rifles. “They rely too much on their weapons and not enough on blade-work.”
Space marine prejudice at work. The Tau don't view it that way, and the practicality of long distance combat has its own benefits (preserving life for one thing.) Besides, the Guard favor longer ranges against most enemies as well :P



Page 189
..every channel either hissed static or binaric interrogation cants.

Winterbourne recognised them as Hydra targeting logisters checking to see if they were a friendly or a hostile contact. Glancing at the slate to his left, he was relieved to see that the transponder was broadcasting his personal ident-code.
Hydras actively use IFF identification to recognize enemies.



Page 192
They were repulsive beasts, hybrid by-blows of reptiles and insects, and they leaked a viscous yellow sap-like blood from scores of las-wounds.
Lasfire does not cauterize, at least against vespids.



Page 194
It was obscene that the lives of warriors should be ended by an enemy without feelings, emotions or a spirit.

Machines that killed were anathema to the Imperium, and even the death-dealing technology fabricated by the priests of Mars was imbued with a fragment of the machine-spirit or crewed by a living, breathing human being.
HAH! 'Endeavour of Will' and a few of the HH novels would say otherwise. 'Machine spirit' is just Imperialspeak for 'Made in the Imperium'. They use (some) AI crap even if they don't know it or admit it, they just dont like anyone but them doing it.



Page 198
Mykola nodded. “You don’t understand, Uriel. We’d won our world back from the brink of damnation. We were saved, but it was being taken away from us piece by piece by bureaucrats who had never even heard of Pavonis, let alone knew how bad things had gotten. The tau offered us a way out.”

“That is not what the tau offer, Mykola,” said Uriel. “They offer you slavery and call it freedom, a prison you do not know you are in until it is too late. They offer a choice that is no choice at all.”
While I noted the tau are as conquest-happy as anyone else in the Imperium, it's propoganda BS to call it 'slavery'. You get security and peace and shit, but you lose (at least some) of your freedom of choice. Which to some could be slavery, but if the Imperium had its way the same would happen. And hell, under many planetary governments it DOES.



Page 200
Uriel sighed, saddened to see a once-noble servant of the Emperor brought low by her own flawed character. Though Mykola Shonai was now a traitor in the eyes of the Imperium, Uriel could well understand how she had come to this place, having walked a similar path not so long ago. Any censure heaped upon her would be nothing compared to the crushing anguish she would be lavishing on herself, though that fact would carry no weight with those who decided her punishment.

Uriel wanted to hate Mykola Shonai for what she had done, but found he could not. All he felt towards her was pity.
Despite his own blinders in some ways (as I noted) Uriel is actually far more forward-thinking than alot of MArines would be in his positiion. The fact he can feel empathy, much less sadness for her fuckups makes him all the more likable.




Page 205-207
With the city’s air-cover stripped, four enormous aircraft with wide wings, like those of a great undersea monster that had forsaken the depths for the air, flew in low from the ocean.

...
The entire deployment had taken less than a minute, and, as the first Manta pulled away, another four flew in to set down yet more troops. Within ten minutes, over thirty armoured vehicles, sixty battlesuits and four hundred infantry were pushing out through the buildings and command structures of the port.
...
Hundreds of Lavrentian Guardsmen died in the opening moments of the attack, shredded by shrapnel from the exploding missiles or crushed to death as their base collapsed around them. Hundreds more were killed as a wave of olive-coloured battlesuits dropped from the sky on streaking plumes of jet fire.
...
..the Imperial forces were pitifully few compared to the full strength that had been deployed to Pavonis months before.

In the battle that followed, the hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned Imperial tanks were blown to pieces by hyper-velocity slugs that ripped their guts out and reduced them to smouldering piles of twisted metal.

Within the hour, the tau had secured their hold on Praxedes, and the coastal spaceport was now a bridgehead for invasion. In addition, over a thousand Lavrentian Guardsmen were taken prisoner, making the city’s fall the worst defeat the regiment had suffered in its long and illustrious history.
Tau begin their assault by taking the spaceport. Implies over 2K guard were slaughtered (3K to begin remember.) although the exact numbers for the tau aren't sure. They mention only 400 troops (plus the battlesuits and vehicles) but that may have just been the opening phases, as they also say they were outnumbereda nd outgunned by the tau.

hyprevelocity slugs (from broadsides or hammerheads, we don't know) down the Lavrentian armouerd vehicles.

To be fair to the Hussars, the tau don't get their way wholly.. one Command holds out defensively (having gotten warning) and another manages to contest the assault, albeit with problems.



Page 208
The slum-city of Jotusburg eternally sweltered beneath a hot roof of rank smog. The teeming slums and wretched hives were home to the millions of Mechanicus labourers that toiled in the forges and weapon shops of the Diacrian Belt. Hundreds of miles of silos, ore barns, milling hangars, generator stations and smelteries covered the foothills of the Sudinal Mountains..
Implied size of manufacturing city. We dont know if it stretches for hundreds of miles in all directions but it does at least in one direction. And even if it was hundreds of miles long and half a mile thick the size of the city would be damn huge.

Going by the map, its width is perhaps 1/3 to 1/4 its length, so we're probably talking 50-70 miles at least.



Page 209
The combat-logisters of each vehicle swiftly registered multiple solid returns from high-altitude flyers moving in from the west. With a weapons free order from their commander in chief, the flak tanks opened fire...
Tau engage high altitude flyers.



Page 209-210
That hope was cruelly dashed when the smog was split by hundreds of glittering discs falling from the sky like a rain of silver coins dropped from a giant’s hand. The sky was thick with the falling shapes as nearly a thousand gun drones dropped enmasse from converted Tiger Shark bombers.
...
The drones slashed downwards, weapon pods slung beneath the upper disc sections firing indiscriminately at whatever targets presented themselves. The drones split into roaming hunter-killer squads...
...
They moved without pause, strafing assembling tech-guard, ambushing running PDF units before vanishing into the fume-laced shadows. Power relays, vox-masts and transit hubs were attacked, as well as anything else that could be destroyed to hamper Imperial response.

The streets of Jotusburg echoed with screams and bellows of confusion as the drones infested the city like a virus...
Tau 'bombing' run.



Page 211
Slivers of refracted light gave them a semblance of form: broad, hunched and heavy enough to smash the marble slabs of the nave as they landed. Gaetan had blinked furiously until their shapes finally resolved, and he saw the armoured daemons as they opened fire.

Blazing tongues of fire ripped through the templum, and screams of panic and pain soon followed them. The unrelenting echoes of gunfire formed a brutal hymnal of death as the hundreds gathered in the Templum Fabricae sought to escape the deadly salvoes, running for the wide doors at the end of the nave or hurling themselves beneath the splintering pews.

Escape was impossible as the invisible daemons moved through the templum with methodical remorselessness, walking streams of explosive shells through the panicked mass of fleeing worshippers. Braziers, lamps and candles were overturned in his congregation’s desperation to escape, and flames licked at the walls.
Yep. The tau are massacring civilian worshippers. I don't quite know WHY they're doing this (apart from McNeill writing them doing that) but if it's not a misunderstanding (possible, but I doubt it) it may be anger. One of the impressions we get throughout the novel is that the tau are... angry.. at the humans. At least on Pavonis.

An interesting aspect of this is perhaps the stresses of wars, or the losses they have suffered against Imperial aggression, may have turned some tau more brutal than normal. It's not like the Imperium is any more prone to treating the tau any better (indeed they torture tau more than once in this book, and even though it's mentioned that those doing it don't LIKE doing it.. they still do it because they were ordered to. Heroic, I guess?)

I'm sure some tau fans would violently object to the idea that there might be some tau capable of being as cruel, angry, and brutal as humans can be, or that they might be driven to that through various factors (The Greater Good and unity vs the Mon'Tau.) but it's fact, and it even adds some depth and tragedy to the race. Of course I'm also sure some people would latch onto this as proof that the tau are 'as bad as everyone else' when that isn't exactly the case either (The tau still have plenty of 'better than the Imperium' examples, after all.)

For me this really just kinda shows how WAR can make anyone into a monster.



Page 214-215
“Truly you endure the price of peace and forgiveness,” said Prelate Culla, standing above Gaetan with a copy of the Imperial Creed held close to his chest.
...
“Suffering brings us closer to the Emperor. We are clothed in His image, yet we walk freely beneath the sun while He suffers in our name upon the Golden Throne. In pain, we draw closer to Him and know a measure of his sacrifice. All men of faith should rejoice in such a fate. You will live to fight again, my friend.”
...

“We are not friends, Culla,” gasped Gaetan. “All you preach is death and hatred.”

“That is all there is, Gaetan,” pressed Culla: “Can you not see that? Hatred is what keeps us strong, what gives us the strength to defeat our enemies. Surely you now see the deception of tolerance? The evil of acceptance? There must be no peace amongst the stars, Gaetan, not while unclean xenos species and unbelievers are allowed to exist. Rejoice, for an eternity of carnage and battle awaits us. Embrace your hatred, for it is necessary. Hatred is good. You cannot tell me that you do not hate the tau for what they have done to you.”
...
He did hate the tau. He hated them for the agony he suffered with every last shred of his life. He tried to hold onto his belief in redemption, forgiveness and brotherhood amongst the stars, but a tidal wave of bile and venom washed it away.

Gaetan wept at the ease with which his convictions crumbled before this hatred, and Culla smiled as it took shape in his heart.
...
“You understand at last, my friend,” said Culla.

“Yes,” said Gaetan, curling his clawed, burned hand around the blackened grip of his eviscerator, “I do, and it breaks my heart.”
Again I see this as a wasted opportunity. There would have been lots of potential in a conflicted priest torn between needing to defend his faith (and his flock) and the hate that could go with that, and his own higher ideals and beliefs, and trying to reconcile those. Much the same way Uriel VEntris has been struggling to come to terms with his own inner conflicts (between Idaeus and his view of the Codex Astartes, for example. Or his idealism and the harsh realities of the galaxy.)

Instead we get the 'reluctant warrior priest who bleives in peace' letting go of those decades-long beliefs with a whimper just because Crazy Berserker Warrior Priest tells him THERE IS ONLY WAR. I mean fuck, he sounds about two steps away from BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, the way he speaks.

but hey, grimdark. Its a military novel, so there has to be HATE cuz he's a priest. Rather than having another Aescarion, or duplicating the way Uriel can 'respect' the tau. Nope. Gotta hate.



Page 217
“But Praxedes did fall, and we need to get our forces moving to meet the tau advance. The xenos fight a rapid war, and, unless we act now, we will be too late to stop them.”
..

“How recent are these images?” asked Winterbourne, looking down at the host of red and blue icons on and around the representations of the cities.

“They are around three hours old,” said Uriel.

“Then they are as good as useless,” snapped Winterbourne. “The tau move at speed, and this will bear no resemblance to the situation on the ground.”
It is nice to note an Imperial force actually ACKNOWLEDGING the advantages of the tau and the way they do war, and that they have to adapt to meet it. Taros, this is not.



Page 217
“The tau have a number of ships in orbit more powerful than the Vae Victus, at least two carriers, a warship and a number of escorts.”

“A small fleet for a planetary invasion,” noted Clausel. “Even a system patrol fleet could defeat that. Would that we had one!”

“Agreed,” said Uriel. “Admiral Tiberius postulates that this is an explorator expedition, not a full invasion fleet, perhaps a probe to test the defences of this arc of the Eastern Fringe in preparation for a renewed assault.”
Apparnetly this is a small probing force, which makes sense for the Tau. They don't expend any more resources than they need to, which often leads to their 'dirty tricks' approach to diplomacy and trade, as well as their 'vulture-like' approach to invasion.

Interesting that they have a fleet big enough to thraten off a Strike cruiser, but small enough that 'a system patrol' fleet could defeat it.

another point that strikes me is that this is almost a reverse of Taros. The Tau are on the offensive, but they have orbital and aerial superioirity. Pavonis has no air force, and apparently has absolutely no space fleet or orbital defenses whatsoever. Hell no ground based defenses it would seem, either. One wonders what happened to the system defense ships they did have, but I have this sneaking suspicion that the Administratum massively neutered their military forces because the planet had already had problems with revolution. Which explains why the tau might strike.



Page 219
Communication was the key to any response, and with the Kaliz Array down Lavrentian techs had rigged a linked series of encrypted master vox-units to allow coordination of the various commands.

Convoys of armoured vehicles were, even now, en route to Olzetyn, Jotusburg, Madorn and Altemaxa to deliver the cryptographic codes to allow coordination of forces. A few had already reached their destinations, and information was slowly beginning to flow between Imperial forces on the status of the defences.
The Imperials manage to (eventually) overcome the loss of the planetary communications network.



Page 219
Praxedes was clearly in enemy hands and was no doubt acting as a bridgehead from which the tau carriers could freely drop fresh troops and supplies to the planet’s surface. If the invasion were to be defeated, Praxedes would need to be taken, but before any such assault could be launched, the tau had to be contained.
One wonders WHY the port is important, unless the tau are using fuckoff huge starships to land supplies and equipment like the Imperium sometimes does. Especially since iwth the Manta example we saw they were able to deploy troops pretty much wherever the hell they wanted.



Page 219-220
Banner Command is under Captain Luzaine, and he has three thousand men and six hundred armoured vehicles. Factor in some six thousand PDF and maybe a skitarii legion and you’re looking at close to ten thousand soldiers at full alert."
...
“What is the strength of Shield Command, Nathaniel?”

“Captain Gerber has two and a half thousand soldiers and four hundred tanks,” replied Winterbourne. “Colonel Loic is there too, with perhaps five thousand PDF. They’re good lads, but I can’t vouch for them in a fight. Only a few of them saw action during the rebellion, the rest are boys and old men who’ve never fired a rifle in anger.”
A further breakdown of Pavonis forces. ~1000 skitarii (which is alot) and at least 11,000 PDF, which may be primary forces and secondary reserves. If the ratio follows (2 PDF for every guardsman) we might be talking 34,000 PDF for primary and secondary forces. Which is not really alot, givne Pavonis has 11 billion. The Imperium has to have MASSIVELY gutted their military forces on the ground as well as space. How the hell did they expect to hold so vital a planet with only one regiment, no airforce or space fleet, minimal PDF..."

SPACE MARINES, I guess. Oh and 1000 Skitarii.

In other notes, we can get a better breakdown on the Hussars. 5500 troops and over 1000 tanks for the remaining commands, not including Winterbourne's own. Almost certainly fully mechanised at this scale.. a little over half of them probably in chimeras. That leaves some 400-500 tanks and artillery. One assumes that winterbourne's primary command and the one lost when the tau attacked the spaceport had roughly similar ratios. It also doesnt include the scout forces.



Page 221
“The fighting spirit of this world is lacking. Its people are more concerned with making money than doing battle, but why would the tau bother to fight their way through Olzetyn? Surely with their skimmer tanks they don’t need to capture the bridge city? They can cross the rivers anywhere.”

“To attack on such a wide front will take time and numbers,” said Winterbourne.

“It means spreading their forces, and, if your Admiral Tiberius is correct, and this is an explorator fleet, they probably don’t have the numbers to mount such an offensive.”

Uriel nodded. “And if they can break through quickly they will split our forces in two.”
More discussion of tau tactics.



Page 221
"The tau need to win quickly, and we need to hold them for long enough for reinforcements to arrive.”

“And how long will that be?”

“I am not sure,” admitted Uriel. “Admiral Tiberius will have sent word to Macragge and sector command. Help will be on the way. We just have to hold on long enough for it to get here.”
Since this is a (sort of) sane novel, military forces will come from as close in as they can to counter the invasion, rather than coming from halfway across the galaxy.



Page 225
The awful carnage at Galtrigil was still fresh in his mind: the spraying blood, the torn up bodies blown apart from the inside by superheated plasma, or cut in half by sawing blasts of bullets.


Tau weaponry on human bodies.



Page 227
“I believe I was making some progress too, but all that good work has been undone by my aunt’s meddling. This will never be our planet again, will it? Not now.”

“No, it won’t,” agreed Lortuen, shaking his head. “Even if the tau are defeated, Pavonis will be turned into a garrison world. One incident might be forgiven in time, but two?”

Koudelkar had known that would be Lortuen’s answer, and he fought against the bitterness that was taking root within him at the unfeeling, heartless bureaucracy of far distant Terra, a world he had never seen and probably never would.
A garrison world? One would almost think the Administratum HOPED the planet would fail a second time so they could move in. I mean fuck, the place was perhaps the most thinly defended this side of Taros (and in some ways Taros was better. I mean it at least had space based defenses!)

In any case it illustrates the whole 'us vs them' idea for Pavonis prevalent throughout the story. The Administratum, Guard, etc. are all viewed as outsiders and largely intruders into Pavonis society. Despite being 'part' of the Imperium, it is not truly an Imperial controlled world, nor was it before Nightbringer. That, however, is going to change, and the distinction between the two states is important.




Page 233
The weapon roared to life with a throaty growl, its adamantium teeth a deadly cutting edge that could shatter steel and tear through the thickest armour.
Eviscerator's 'adamantium' teeth can shatter steel.



Page 234
The Fire Warriors wore substantial armour, but it was no match for disciplined volleys of bolter-fire.
Comment on Fire Warrior armour. Implies it might actually be able to survive a single bolt round, but not multiple hits (at least in volleys.)



Page 234
..their autocannons chewed up Fire Warriors in roaring salvoes of high-velocity shells.
Predator autocannon vs Fire Warriors.



Page 235
Uriel’s visor darkened as a blazing rod of molten light stabbed overhead and struck one of the Predators on its armoured front glacis. The hyper-velocity slug tore through the tank’s hull as though it were as insubstantial as mist. Uriel watched as a plasma trail of kinetic energy ignited the weapon charges inside the Predator, and its turret blew off with a thunderclap of electrical discharge and fire. The top half of the tank spun ten metres into the air before slamming down to earth with a dreadfully final clang. Uriel knew that no one inside could have survived such terrible violence.
Tau railgun takes out a Predator.



Page 236
Barely a second later, a pounding series of impacts slammed into the ground. Uriel was hurled from his feet as the shock wave of the detonation obliterated the girders and blasted a six-metre crater in the earth.
Tau seeker missiles, I think (The laser guided ones anyhow.) Comparatively speaking, six metre craters aren't much to write home about (think about Earthshakers in Storm of Iron), but they may be antipersonnel or specialized anti-tank warheads for all we know, so I'm not really sure I'd want to draw any hard core conclusions from this based on diameter alone.



Page 236
A blazing beam of light punched into his chest, and he staggered as his breastplate hissed and spat bright gobbets of molten ceramite.
Pulse fire in this case does little against Smur farmour. Actually its not even as bad as what happened in Nightbringer with a lasbolt :P



Page 237
Space Marines fanned out around him, shooting as they charged, and each round blasted through olive green armour plates with a resounding crack.
Bolt rounds have no trouble blasting throuhg tau armour, though.



Page 237
A
battlesuit with a tubular cannon on one arm and a crackling khopesh blade mounted on the other towered over him, a rippling heat haze shimmering above its rearmounted jets.
The rare tau battlesuit with a melee attachment, Powered no less.



Page 243
Father Time was an immense Baneblade that had served as Winterbourne’s command vehicle since his promotion to colonel.

It was one of the mightiest tanks ever to roll off the Martian production lines, a vehicle so powerful that nothing short of an engine of the Titan Legions would dare to stand before it. Winterbourne’s tank was one of a handful of these incredible war machines that could trace its pedigree back to the assembly yards of the Tharsis Montes, its honour roll and legacy of battle inscribed on the inner faces of its turret ring.

A pitiful few of the Mechanicus forge worlds could still manufacture these behemoths to such an exacting standard, their inferior copies regarded by the priests of Mars as second generation war machines at best.

Now, sealed within the belly of his magnificent vehicle, he stared in frustration at the auspex display as it bounced and squalled with interference.
Father Time, the LAverntian command vehicle. Reiterates the 'Counterfeit baneblade' comments from the first IA1 revised version.



Page 244
“It’s all the damned metal structures around us. The composition and conductivity is messing with the returns. There’s so much bloody interference, the auspex signal’s bouncing around like a sand-raptor on a griddle.”
...
“It’s just a matter of syncing our auspex to filter out certain frequencies.”
Auspex return problems.



Page 244
Winterbourne’s command chair sat high in the main turret, behind the crew of his vehicle: nine highly trained soldiers, hand-picked to serve him on board. The interior of a Baneblade, like any Imperial tank was a cramped, oily, noisy and dangerous place, which had apparently been designed at a time when only midgets and famine victims were picked to be crews.
Crew and interior of Winterbourne's Baneblade. Not quite as roomy as the command Baneblade Xarius had in Crimson Tears, is it?



Page 246
“Hammerhead, ten o’ clock. Six hundred metres!”
..
“Acquiring target.

Loader, anti-tank!”

“Anti-tank, aye!”

Ancient mechanisms no longer understood by any save the priests of Mars whirred and hissed as they aligned the Baneblade’s main gun with the target.
..
Such was the power of the main gun that even the incredible weight of the Baneblade rocked back under the force of the recoil. Despite layer upon layer of armour and acoustic damping material, the booming crack of the shot was deafening, and acrid fumes seeped into the crew compartments from the huge gun’s breech as the spent shell-casing was ejected.

..the tau tank reduced to pulverised metal by the force of the impact.
Father time fires on a tau tank. Range to target, 600 m.



Page 246
The missile arced up, then down, slamming into the thinner topside armour of the Devilfish.
Imperial Guard missile makes a 'top-attack' on Tau transport.



Page 248
The 44th were holding firm, with Lord Winterbourne’s Father Time in the thick of the fighting, destroying all that came near it with relentless precision and ferocity.

The Baneblade was the anchor of the Imperial defence, with the Leman Russ and Hellhounds that fought alongside it like armoured bodyguards.

Tanks fought through the ruins at close range, kills made with snap shots and point-blank volleys that tore through armour and exploded with fractions of seconds between launch and impact.
"point blank' engagements occur in fractions of a second. We know from before that the range was at least 600 m (point blank was defined as 1 km in Necropolis). While we don't know the exact ranges here, it seems reasonable that the 600-1000 m engagement range is likely. Given that, it implies a projectile velocity of at least 600-1000 m/s for the tanks (which includes Conqueorors. Others, like the Vanquishers mentioned later, would be faster.). Depending on how fast 'fractions of a second' is taken as, it could be much faster (in line with the 'hyper-velocity' comments from Honour guard.)

Of course, the ranges could also be much shorter, as 200 m is mentioned later on, so this probably shouldn't be taken as absolute. :D



Page 249
Blinding streaks of impossibly bright light speared from the roof of a nearby ore barn, and Star of Lavrentia exploded. The tank rocked up onto its right track with the force of the impact before toppling over. Bright streaks of ignited air drifted along the flight path of its killers’ weapons’ fire, and Mederic looked up to see a trio of thick-shouldered battlesuits silhouetted against the smoke and flames of battle.

Each bore a pair of enormous weapons like flattened battle cannons mounted on huge rigs fitted to their backs.
Railgun fire from up to 3 broadside battlesuits destroys Leman Russ tank. force of impact seems enough to rock tank up on its tracks, at least partly, implying significant momentum.


Page 249-250
His loader handed him the launcher tube, and he pressed the targeter to his eye, seeing the three enemy units in stark monochrome. He pressed the range-finding stud on the back of the firing grip and was rewarded with a warbling tone in his ear.

“Lock on!” he cried.

The battlesuit in the centre of the group immediately turned its head towards him.
...
The missile leapt from the tube, ejected to a safe distance before the rocket motor ignited and hurled the projectile upwards.
Missile launcher again. Seems to imply some sort of active guidance/tracking for the launch, which puts the 'top attack' aspect for the previous missile (against the Devilsifh) into an interesting light. (especially since 'top attack' guided munitions are supposed to be rare. For tank guns, at least....)



Page 251
..his head had struck the inner face of the turret after a particularly fearsome barrage of fire from a formation of Hammerheads. A trio of hyper-velocity slugs had slammed into the side armour of Father Time, tearing off the side gunner’s compartment and throwing the rest of the crew around the interior.
Hammerhead barrage vs Baneblade.



Page 251
Spalled fragments from the impacts had shredded his vox-operator and one of the loaders.


Spalling.



PAge 252
“Gunner, high explosive and keep them coming!”

“High explosive, aye.”

“Range two hundred metres!”

“Up! Fire!”

“On the way!” shouted Winterbourne as Father Time shuddered with the recoil from the main gun. The clanging of the breech opening and closing was lost in the deafening roar...
...
One of the Hammerheads was dead, ripped apart by the heavy battle cannon shell, its turret torn from its hull and nowhere to be seen.
Baneblade firing again. Note the reduced range and the implied loading time. Must not be a huge cannon firing if a person can load the damn thing (or even several people. AGain Xarius' baneblade needed servitor loaders.)



Page 255
In the wake of the huge tank came the charging armour of the 44th Lavrentian regiment: Conquerors, Vanquishers, Executioners, Hellhounds and Chimeras.
Regimental tanks in the Lavrentian armoury.. quite a diverse (and rather high end) variety, isn't it?



Page 255
A wedge of Hammerheads sought to intercept Father Time...
...
Hyper-velocity slugs slammed into the frontal glacis of the Baneblade, tearing great gouges in the armour, but failing to halt its advance.
...
The armour of the alien tanks was strong and light, but it was no match for the three hundred tonnes of a Baneblade.
Tau hammerheads vs Baneblade again.



Page 262-263
The scouts gathered around him, and he could feel their frustration. Infiltration and destruction wreaked behind the lines was part of the scouts’ purpose, and to have come this far and inflicted no damage upon the tau was anathema to these warriors.
...
The scouts nodded, though Learchus could see the disappointment in their eyes as they gathered around him. Was this how Uriel felt when Learchus had called him to account for his actions?

“The Codex Astartes tells us that wherever possible we must discomfit the enemy,” said a scout by the name of Parmian.

“Our mission is to rescue Koudelkar Shonai,” said Learchus. “Nothing must distract us from that purpose. Is that understood?”

“Yes, my lord,” said Parmian, “but while we hide from the enemy, our brothers earn glory on the field of honour.”

“There is glory in all things, Parmian,” said Learchus, “and not all of it is earned facing the enemy guns. Each of us must play our part in this drama, be it standing in the battle lines with bolter and chainsword in hand or behind the lines serving the greater good of the war.”
Learchus, as he did in Warriors of Ultramar, is undergoing a personal learning experience here, which is changing his own preconceptions. Not a bad thing, given it gives him greater insight and understanding (hopefully) into Uriel's own situation. It really reminds me of the Ben Counter short story with the Black Templars in that respect - officers cannot be 'just' Space Marines. They have to be more whether they like it or not.

Also, and this is for me personally amusing, but Learchus choice of words 'serving the greater good' is pretty ironic considering it's the tau they are facing. Heck it's pretty ironic given the parallels made between Space Marines and Fire Warriors in the fire Warrior novelization :D



Page 263-264
The screams were alien and should have been music to her ears, but the sheer misery and horror in the sound tore at the essence of her soul that sought justice and craved nobility of spirit.
...
Tensions were high, but the enforcers had the perfect targets in their grasp to vent many of those frustrations. Since the prisoners had been deposited in the Glasshouse by the Ultramarines, the enforcers had found new and ever more inventive ways to harass, torture and discomfit them.

Each tau prisoner had their topknot cut, and any other identifying apparel or pieces of jewellery removed, before being hosed down with high-pressure water blessed by Prelate Culla. Dressed in identical smocks, they were herded like beasts into their overcrowded cells, forced to wear fetters that chafed their legs raw, and deprived of food and sleep for days on end.
...
A prisoner subjected to physical torture would say anything to have his ordeal end, and any intelligence gained from such torture would have to be treated as suspect.

Jenna had come to this realisation after her first, fruitless interrogation of La’tyen, feeling strangely shamed by the level of violence she’d employed. After all, she had confined her interrogations to strictly verbal encounters.

She, however, was the only enforcer to do so…
...
Where was justice in this hellhole?
Interesting perspective, I thought. It was another of those 'horrors of war' aspects - showing what propoganda and dehumanizing (to use the term loosely) the enemy leads to all sorts of brutality, and its not even really for the purpose of interrogation anymore - its a vent for frustrations and a stressful situation. One that is exacerbated by that fundamentalist lunatic Culla who needs to have a chainsword rammed up his ass. Preferrably his own.

Hell, the really telling point is Sharben (a former arbites) own views and how dirty it makes her feel. Even more horrific we learn that Sharben's enforcers have been turned into brutal torturers and murderers by the Prelate. Even if they win this war, Sharben (at least) may have lost something important in the aftermath.

This scene also acts as a counterpoint to how Uriel acts and views the Tau. Just imagine how he'd react to this sort of thing.



Page 269
“The tau are xenos and do not know any better,” said Culla dismissively. “They are simply ignorant beasts, responding to base desires and needs. They are vermin who should be hated and feared as imperfect creations. It is humanity’s right and duty to cleanse such creatures from existence with fire and sword."
...
“I agree the tau need to be fought,” said Jenna, “but like this? If we behave like this we’ll lose our humanity, our honour.”

“That thing in there doesn’t deserve to be called human.”

“Is that how you do it?” asked Jenna, leaning forwards over the table.

“Do what?”

“You don’t even think of Mykola Shonai as human, do you? That’s how you’re able to do these things to her, isn’t it?”
And we see Culla is a pompous asshole yet again, and Sharben isn't. The hilarious thing is that his little speech is basically the same sort of justification the tau use to justify their own expansionism, if not in such a violent manner. What's even more hilarious is that he basically intimates he's deliberately engaging in some form of religious empire-building - trying to take Sharben's enforcers (and probably others) away from Pavonis and into his own personal 'army' (his own literal words.) So all the rhetoric and religion is just more Ecclesiarchal powerbuilding bullshit at its core, not unlike they've done WRT tau many times before (Cardinal gurney and the Damocles Gulf Crusade ring any bells?)

If the Ecclesiarchy understands anything, its that propoganda and a visible enemy can be a useful tool, and if you can dehumanize them (Uplifting Primer, DAmocles Gulf edition springs to mind) all the better.



Page 271
Marvellously tall towers of marble, adamantium and gold pierced the clouds at either end of the bridge, and cables wrought from some ingenious material supported the five kilometre span of the bridge in an elegant latticework arrangement that was immensely strong, yet also graceful and airy.
5 km long bridge.



Page 275-276
“Oh, we’ll fight like the tough sons of bitches we are, but the numbers aren’t on our side.”

“Surely these tau are no match for us?” said Loic. “I’ve heard they’re quite weak in fact.”

“Then you haven’t fought the tau or seen how they make war,” replied Gerber.

“The most successful armies are the ones that coordinate their forces the best, the ones that know what force to apply where and for how long. Some might say it’s also the force that makes the least mistakes. The tau don’t make mistakes. Every soldier in their army is utterly dedicated to their goal and fights for his commander because he knows, knows, with utter certainty that he’s fighting towards something greater than himself.”

“They sound almost like us,” joked Loic, then wished he hadn’t when no one laughed.
It's rather nice to see an IG force taking the tau as a serious threat (at least in a specific battle, rather than in absolut eterms.) and act like they know what they're capable of. I swear this novel is the Anti-Taros campiagn, given the way its waged. Hell it even seems biased towards the Imperium rather than the tau in alot of ways.

The main thing I like is that their awareness of how the tau fights and how it impacts them shows they're aware of how that sort of warfare works. Given that the tau do in fact seem to have them outnumbered, that recognition is important, because rthey simply cannot outspend the tau in numbers. Indeed its more like Damocles Gulf than Taros in that regard.

The last comment - they're just like us - is yet another point of similarity here. Its that point of similarity that can resonate with some (like Sharben and Uriel) and cause them to view them as honourable foes, yet that similarity can be lost on others (the idiot Culla.)
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Part 3



Page 279
Forward augers detected the presence of numerous aerial targets, yet none of the gunners in the Imperial interceptor guns switched their targeters to acquisition mode.
Gunnery sensors/.



Page 282
“We’re slaughtering them!” cried Colonel Loic, clambering to the firing step beside Uriel.

“For now,” agreed Uriel, “but they’ll adapt soon enough and try something different.”

“They’ll try to pin us in place with expendable troops while they advance.”

Uriel was surprised at Loic’s insight and nodded. “Any moment now I suspect.”


I'm sure that someone is going to say 'the tau don't do that.' Except that they can and do. They may not do it the way the Imperium does (or at least in the numbers or for the same reasons.) but they are as familiar with the concept of attrition as the Imperium when they need to. It may not be TAU lives they spend that way, but that's one thing the auxiliaries are there for. And to be fair to them, they're not as attrition happy as the Imperium, but they'll still do it (Farsight could tell a story or two, and there is that whole Zeist thing...)

What's more is that this isn't even because the tau are bad guys or evil or they just hate humans or whatever. This is part and parcel of their whole 'greater good' philosohpy. Self sacrifice is part of that - a cog in the machine - you lay down whatever you need to - up to and including your life - in the service of the Greater Good should it be neccessary.

This can also be seen as a reflection of the different approaches to warfare the tau have, and the different personalities/psychologies they use. One should not generalize because oen tau acts a certain way they all do, whether it is for bad or good. The tau are prone to have their own psychopathic assholes just as they do their honourable sorts. All that said, we have to bear in mind this is the Imperial interpretation of tau tactics as well, and its slanted through their own mindset/bias (the tau probably don't think of it as using 'expendable' troops.)

On the other hand, this in my mind is yet another example of C&H being the 'anti-Taros', in the sense that the tau seem to be favoured far less than the Imperium. I mean this is all well and good, but why the fuck aren't the Tau using orbital bombardment? Where are the Mantas and other air support? I havent seen any significant anti-aircraft (Defence lasers) or anti-orbital defenses and they should be pasting the hell out of the Imperium. Hell the Mantas alone should be hard for them to beat, since they are virtually a Titan analogue.



Page 284
Tau shots fused the earth of the berm and punched Imperial soldiers backwards with the impacts, their armour offering no protection against the powerful energies.
Flak armour is no use against pulse weaponry. Big shock right?



Page 284
Uriel fired streams of explosive shells into the ranks of the tau, each volley dropping a handful of enemy warriors..
Implied ROF of a bolter.



Page 285
What Space Marines brought to any fight was not just their awesome skill at arms; it was the idea of what they represented in the minds of those that fought with them and against them that made them so formidable. The Adeptus Astartes were symbolic of Imperial might, symbolism with the means to enforce the will of the Imperium wherever the Emperor demanded it.

That was what made the Space Marines a force beyond anything their numbers might represent. A man could be defeated, but a Space Marine was invincible, indomitable and unstoppable. The tau had learned this in the Zeist campaign, and they were about to learn it once again on Pavonis.
Uriel comments on the primary purpose of the Astartes: Psychological warfare. To be an inspiration and a rallying point for allied troops and to strike terror and panic into the hearts of their enemy. And as I've alluded to many times, the way the Warp works can give psychology and mindset a considerably greater value than it would have in real life - thoughts and emotions and belief shape reality through the warp.

Which is a good thing, because 'magic' is about the only justifcation you can have for the Astartes (both in how they exist and in their value :P)



Page 292-293
Hundreds of the defenders were dead, but the tau had suffered the worst of the fight. Uriel estimated nearly fifty tanks were burning and that at least a thousand or more tau had been killed.

...
“Cautiously,” said Uriel. “They were over-confident before, and they won’t make that mistake again.”

“Captain Gerber said the tau don’t make mistakes,” said Loic.

“They do,” said Uriel, “but they don’t make the same one twice.”
I guess that might explain the lack of orbital bombardment or air attack, but still...

One possibility is they are afraid they don't know where the Ethereal is and don't want to just randomly paste locations for fear of killing it. Another possibility is that without the Ethereal, this Tau commander simply isn't fighting as competently as they normally would. The Deathwatch stuff does imply lunacy like that can happen when Ethereals become an issue.



Page 294-295
Jenna saw Culla’s face transform from serenity to something loathsome and reptilian. His eyes glittered with a predatory hunger, aching for Jenna to say something foolish that would see her taking Mykola Shonai’s place upon the chair bolted to the floor.

“She deserved death, that much we agree on,” said Jenna, choosing her words carefully, “but a death decreed by Imperial justice. She should have been declared guilty by a conclave of Judges and executed by the proper authorities.”

“I already told you, Sharben, I have the authority of the Emperor,” said Culla, pushing past her and leaving the cell. “What higher authority is there?”
..
Had she deserved to die like this, beaten to the bone by a madman who claimed a highly dubious direct connection to the Emperor? Imperial law was mercilessly harsh, but with good reason. Without such control, humanity would soon fall prey to the myriad creatures and dangers that pressed in from every side. Such harshness was necessary and vital, but Jenna had always believed that the law could also be just.

The blood on her fingertips gave the lie to that notion, and she felt her anger at Culla scale new heights. The preacher had violated the core of her beliefs and notions of the world, but that wasn’t the worst part.

The worst part was that she had let him.

She hated Culla, but she hated her complicity in his actions more. He had dragged her into his barbarity, and she had stood by and done nothing, even when she had known it was wrong.
...
She lifted her head and looked up at the bronze eagle set high in the far wall of the cell. The symbol was supposed to remind the condemned what they had forsaken and who stood in judgement of them.

It served to remind Jenna who and what she served.

Culla claimed he worked with a higher authority, well, so too did Jenna.
This passage serves to show how... variable things in the Imperium can be. Many things. Politics, religion and belief, duty to the Emperor, attitudes towards enemies, and even honour. There is a bit of hypocrisy here I think for Sharben WRT the 'justied harshness' of the Imperium, but Culla is a whole new layer of bastardry even by Imperial standards, and Sharben does recognize that.

What's more, it recognizes the political and religious divisions which permeate the Imperium. They may all venerate the Emperor, but they do it in different ways. They may all believe in honour and justice, but that manifests in different ways. And organizations tend to be jealous of their prerogatives (Culla intruding on 'Imperial Justice' which is supposed to be Arbites territory, and Culla using the Emperor for rather blatant and material justification.) It echoes alot of what we saw in the Calpurnia novels, in fact, which I think is a nice touch.

Also its just nice to see Sharben smash Culla one across the head with her maul. The fucker deserved it.



Page 300-301
The blade bit into Apollonia’s shoulder, and the jagged teeth of the sword chewed through plasteel, mesh, meat and bone..
..
The gigantic weapon looked absurd in the tau warrior’s hands, almost too heavy for her to lift, but Jenna didn’t doubt that hatred would give her the strength to wield it.
..
It exploded in a shower of sparks as the adamantine teeth tore through the metal as though it were pulped wood.
Tau warrior able to (barely) lift an Eviscerator chainsword. Eviscerator tearing through unkonwn metal quite easily with 'adamantium' teeth. Enforcer body armour made of plasteel and mesh.



Page 303-304
La’tyen watched the female torturer flee and made to pursue, but a restraining hand took hold of her arm. Angrily, she turned to rebuke the owner of the hand, but the angry words died in her throat as she saw Aun’rai.

“Let her go,” said the Ethereal, and La’tyen immediately deactivated the blade she had taken from the shouting gue’la who had taken such relish in their humiliation and pain. “Our first priority is escape, not vengeance. Revenge is pointless, and only serves to divert us from our service to the Greater Good.”
...
“What do you require us to do with them?” asked La’tyen, pointing to where one of the mirror-helmeted captors lay next to the unconscious form of the shaven-headed torturer with the forked beard.

“Kill them,” said Aun’rai.
Tau POV. We see the influence of the Ethereal, as well as an interesting sort of dichotomy. He lets Sharben go on the grounds that revenge is pointless. And yet he has the others killed. Pragmatism? I suppose it could be argued that Culla and the rest are a danger to the escapees if they awake but still...

Hard to say. This may be a 'greater good' thing, but it could also just be the way the tau are written in this book. My inclination of course, is 'greater good', because its in universe and we've seen more oftne than not that the Greater Good is just about as consistent a system of philosophy as 'For the Emperor' is (EG it can justify anything, and is used to justify practically anything.)




Page 304-305
The tau were moving swiftly, but the Hounds had blunted the thrust of their advance, lying in ambush for Pathfinder teams, and leaving cunningly hidden booby traps in their wake to target enemy tanks. Enemy squad leaders and commanders were singled out with deadly accurate sniper fire, and the tau advance slowed to a crawl as each potential ambush site had to be scouted thoroughly.

Pathfinders sent to engage them and bring them to battle were outmanoeuvred or ambushed and killed. The Hounds were like ghosts, moving through the mistshrouded hills with all the skill and stealth learned the hard way on the battlefields of the Eastern Fringe. Mederic had trained his men well, and that sublime skill bred a confidence unmatched in any other soldier in the regiment.

That had been what had done for them, thought Mederic gloomily. Nothing could touch them, no force the tau had sent after them had come close to catching them, and no foe was beyond the reach of their weapons. How easy it was, he reflected, for confidence to slip into arrogance. Mederic knew they should have left the observation post unmolested, it had been too easy, too tempting.
IG skirmishers outdoing Tau pathfinders (not unlike in Savage Scars, at least those lead by that Arcadius bastard.) Kinda funny. Of course they push it too far and the Kroot fuck them over.



Page 311-312
A sheeting storm of supersonic shells ripped along the length of the walkway, sawing through the waist-high barrier and turning its entire length into a hellstorm of explosions and death. Ten enforcers died in the opening second, cut apart and reduced to shredded mists of blood and pulped bone.
Orca dropship guns. at least 600 rpm rate of fire, supersonic shells, and grenade level damage (per body)



Page 314-315
The tau leader knelt beside her and placed a hand against her forehead. His skin felt smooth and warm to the touch. It was comforting and the pain retreated, yet Jenna wanted to pull away from the alien.
...
Aun’rai shook his head. “Kill you? I am not going to kill you. I heard what you said to the gue’la who was intent on wreaking agonising pain upon me. I wish you to know that we are not what he thinks we are. I want you to know that we are not your enemies.”

“You killed my enforcers,” spat Jenna. “That makes you my enemy.”

“That was regrettable,” agreed Aun’rai, “but it was necessary. Now we must be away before your aerial forces respond to the presence of my drop-ship.”

Aun’rai spoke a few words in his own language to La’tyen, who looked surprised and almost offended by them, but knelt to obey the tau leader’s command nonetheless.
...

“What are you doing?” gasped Jenna as La’tyen lifted her onto her shoulder. Unimaginable pain flared briefly in her leg, but once again Aun’rai’s touch lessened the agony of her wound. As much as she was repulsed by his alien touch, Jenna was pathetically thankful for the absence of pain.
...
“My healers are going to make you whole again, gue’la,” said Aun’rai, “and then I am going to offer you a place within the Tau’va.”
The tau, ever opportunists for the Greater Good, and any prisoner is a potential recruit. Or did the Ethereal recognize a potentially ranking Arbites officer? It's also possible this stems from Sharben standing up to Culla (either out of gratitude or noticing a potential weak point to exploit.)

Interesting that the Ethereal's touch seems to dull pain. I wonder if they have some means of influencing nervous systems of living beings?

Also I wonder why they keep La'tyen around, as she seems to be pereptually angry since the start of this novel. That's clearly 'Mont'au' territory, and something considered abnormal in tau society (EG Fire Warrior.) Perhaps the ethereal keeps her close precisely because of that? We saw the effect ethereals had on Kais in that same novel, after all.


Page 317
After the first attacks had been beaten back, the alien commander quashed thoughts of rash heroics, and every assault was planned with a thoroughness that would have made Roboute Guilliman proud.
Their blasting the fuck out of the Imperial defenses with missiles and other weapons now, so they're fighting smarter. I suspect this might be due to the return of the Ethereal.

Also note the comparison between tau and Guilliman, yet another tau/Astartes parallel.



Page 317-318
On the third day of the fighting, the Tower of Adepts was brought down, the austere structure collapsing into the gorge, taking with it thousands of years worth of tax and work records.

Perversely, its destruction gave rise to a huge cheer from the ranks of the defenders, proving that even faced with alien invasion, there were few more hated individuals than those who levied taxes.
Heh.



Page 318
Tau aircraft attempted a bombing run along the length of the Imperator Bridge, but Uriel had foreseen such a manoeuvre, and staggered lines of interceptor guns blew them from the sky with their payloads undelivered.
There are the aircaft. Except still no Mantas.



Page 320
“My every muscle, fibre and organ was crafted by the Master of Mankind for the express purpose of waging the most brutal war imaginable, yet this unrelenting, daily carnage is alien to me. We should not be here, yet we cannot abandon the men giving their lives to defend this place.”
..
“We Astartes excel at the lightning strike, the dagger thrust to the heart and the decisive, battle-winning stratagem, not this prolonged, static slaughter. For us to leave Olzetyn will almost surely mean its fall, yet might we not be better employed elsewhere?”
Uriel and the Chaplain discuss the purpose of the Astartes.



Page 321
It was a scale of slaughter that horrified Uriel, and served, once again, to remind him of the mortal soldier’s courage and the honour he earned just by standing before the enemy with a gun in his hand.
Uriel showing he's got more respect for humans than some Astartes commanders. Including some in his own Chapter *coughcoughSicariuscough*



Page 326
Two of Issam’s scouts were killed instantly. One died as his head vaporised in a superheated mist of blood and brains when the white heat of the skimmer’s fire caught him full in the face. The second was cut in half at the waist by a rapid series of shots that sawed through his torso. Parmian took a hit on the shoulder, and cradled his mangled arm as he took shelter in a cleft in the rocks. Twisted molten metal was all that remained of the missile launcher..
Tetra speeder gunfire. Vaporizing a head (in unknown number of shots) is at least kj range, possibly MJ range for any degree of literal vaporization. According to Deathwatch core rules an Astartes missile launcher is 50 kg. Assuming iron composition we might figure 60 MJ or so to melt it, but it depends on the metal composition. Treat as order of magnitude estimate




Page 327
He pulled the trigger, feeling the enormous kick of the weapon. The mass reactive projectile streaked through the air, its tiny rocket motor igniting as soon as it left the barrel.
..
The pilot’s head exploded as the bolt-round punched through his helmet and detonated within his skull.
Bolt round and firing. The recoil is significante ven before the reactive projectile's rocket kicks in.



Page 330-331
It was a flat rectangular plate, not unlike an Imperial data-slate, though it was far lighter and didn’t keep shorting out every ten minutes. A wonderfully crisp display projected picter images of people at work and at play. They were ordinary men and women, and though there was nothing special about what they were doing, where they were doing it was quite remarkable.

Everyone in the moving images inhabited wondrous cities of clean lines, artfully designed boulevards, parks of vibrant green and russet brown, all set amid gleaming spires of silver and white. Aun’rai had told him that this was Tau, cardinal world of the empire and birthplace of the tau race. To see human beings in such a place was incredible, and although Koudelkar knew that images could be manipulated, this felt real and had a ring of truth to it that he felt was totally genuine.

Every man, woman or child in the films was dressed in more or less identical clothing that bore various insignia of the tau empire. Koudelkar had heard the rumours of defections to the tau empire; such stories were told in hushed whispers, for to entertain any notion of aliens as anything other than vile, baby-eating filth was punishable by death.

Everything Koudelkar had seen since his capture gave the lie to the idea of the tau as murderous aliens hostile to humanity. He had been treated with nothing but courtesy since his arrival, and his daily discussions of the Tau’va, the Greater Good, with Aun’rai had been most illuminating.
Tau.. I dont know what to call it. Propoganda? Vacationer's pamphlet? I dont even know if its true or propoganda. It could be true, and yet given the way the novel works it could be propoganda coupled with the aformentioned mind influencing. It's really hard to take some of what we know in this novel regarding the tau at face value.

Also note the 'baby eating' - a direct refrence to the damocles Gulf crusade uplifting primer propoganda BS. Small wonder they torture or brutalize the tau if they get their hands on them! Again I blame the fucking priests.



Page 331-332
“The Greater Good is a fine idea in theory,” Koudelkar had said upon first hearing Aun’rai talk of it, “but surely unworkable in practice?”

“Not at all,” said Aun’rai with a soft shake of his head.

“Surely selfish desires, individual wants and the like would get in the way.”

“They did once,” said Aun’rai, “and it almost destroyed our race.”
...
“When my race took its first steps, we were like humanity: barbarous, petty, and given to greedy and hedonistic impulses. Our society had branched into a number of tribes, what you might call castes, each with its own customs, laws and beliefs.”
..
"Humans have a need for definition, for yourselves and for the world around you. You struggle with concepts that do not easily sit within defined boxes. I know something of your race’s history, and with everything I learn of you, I grow ever more thankful for the Greater Good.”
..
“We were on the verge of destruction. Our species was sliding towards a self-engineered extermination when we were saved on the mountain plateau of Fio’taun."
..
"For five seasons, the city held against the attacks until, at last, it was on the verge of defeat. This was the night the first of the Ethereals came.”
..
“I have not the words in this language to convey the true meaning of the concept, but suffice to say that these farsighted individuals were the most singular tau ever to walk amongst my people. All through the night, they spoke of what might be achieved if the skills and labours of all castes could be harnessed and directed towards the betterment of the race. By morning’s light, they had brokered a lasting peace between the armies.”
The meeting of the Ethereals and the beginnings of the Greater Good from Tau POV. The idea of similarities between the tau and humanity is key to the story, both in good and bad sides, and it adds a sort of tragedy to all the propoganda and anger and hate and the horror of the war. I also can't help but think its a little too.. easy.. for the Ethereals to have brokered peace in a single night. It's either myth/propoganda or there is more at work.

There's also a certain sort of underlying.. arrogance.. to the way the Ethereal treats the Imperial Governor. That's a recurring element too.



Page 336
“Very well. She died in the Glasshouse. Prelate Culla beat her to death to learn what information she had given the tau.”

“Culla murdered her? I knew that bastard was insane!”
...
“The Imperium killed Mykola,” said Koudelkar with an awful finality.

“No, her choices killed her,” said Lortuen.
One of the interesting things in the story is how all the little details like this build up to some of the greater tragedies. Culla being an ass is a key point into driving Koudelkar into the tau's arms, yet this was supposed to keep the Imperium from siding with the tau. Fucking Priest has fucked up alot of people, and fuelled too much of the anger and rhetoric and hate towards the tau (which as we'll see, is returned in spades.)



Page 341
From the location of the detonations, Uriel guessed the Imperial artillery positions were being attacked. Somehow, the tau had managed to deploy heavy weapons into the Midden without alerting the defenders, and the guns covering the approach to the Spur Bridge were being taken out.
Tau tactics are MUCh better now. What's more, they jam the Imperial's ability to demo the bridges and hamper the tau advance.



Page 342
”Something’s playing merry hell with our augurs and surveyor gear. The tech-priests say it’s most likely some xenotech interference.”
Tau jamming Imperial sensors.



Page 342-343
“There’s that defeatism again, captain,” said Vogel. “It is becoming a habit.”

“Call it defeatism if you like, Vogel, and just shoot me,” responded Gerber,
The commissar doesnt shoot him right away for talking back or talking defeatism. Earlier it’s noted by Loic he thinks the commissar has executed very few Lavrentians, so he’s a rather laid back dude as we find :P



Page 344-345
“The auspex picked up a reading, but I have no confirmation as yet.”
..
He scanned the ground before him, switching from one vision mode to the next as he tried to spot the tau. He saw nothing definite, just blurred disturbances in the smoke that seemed to bend the light around them.

“Stealth teams!” he shouted, raising his bolter to his shoulder. Even knowing what to look for, it was hard to draw a bead on the armoured tau. Just as he thought he had a fix on one, it would vanish or blur to the point where he might as well be firing blind.
Tau stealth suits vs Astartes sensors.



Page 346
Uriel felt a trio of impacts, two on the chest and one on the shoulder. None penetrated the layered ceramite of his armour..
burst cannon gunfire against Astartes armour.



Page 349-350
The tau made war with such precision that it left precious little room for notions of honour or courage.

To the tau, war was a science like any other: precise, empirical and a matter of cause and effect.

Mederic knew that was the fatal flaw in their reasoning, because war was never predictable. Unknown variables and random chance all played their part, and it was a foolish commander who fought with the belief he could foresee every eventuality.
On one level this has some true. Going by the (current) Codex depictions of the tau (as I’ve noted in covering those books) they do come across as precisely that. In principle there is nothign wrong with doing some of that, but the Tau can take that a bit too far (at least as far as doctrine goes.)

On the other hand, not all Tau commanders think in those ways, so it would be wrong to say that they all act this way. Indeed some (many?) can be quite inventive in their own way.



Page 350
Lord Winterbourne’s command vehicle continued to wreak havoc amongst the tau armour, reaping a fearsome number of kills, while withstanding countless impacts that would have reduced most tanks to molten slag.
Durability of Baneblade. Assuming an iron, 60 tonne tank, we’re talking double digit gigajoules at least.



Page 351
...swinging his rifle to bear. His first shot punched one of the kroot from Father Time’s upper deck, his second blew the arm off the creature attempting to affix the explosive charge.
lasfire blows off Kroot arm. At least single digit kj.



Page 351
Something moved beside him and he rolled onto his back, firing his rifle. A kroot warrior fell back with its chest blown out, and Mederic scrambled to his feet as another alien fighter reared over him. A las-bolt from his right blew out the back of the kroot’s head.
More lasfire. Blowing out the back of a Kroot head, maybe single or double digit kj at least. Blowing out the chest may be comparable, or could be greater (double to triple digit kj) depending on size of the wound and absence/presence of thermal effects.



Page 355
Space Marines clambered on board while the vehicles’ autosystems fired their machine-guided weapons down the length of the bridge.
Automated gunnery on Astartes vehicles.



Page 356
The Lavrentian gunners were justifying their captain’s faith in them.
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Uriel stumbled and fell to his knees as the titanic forces pounded the Spur Bridge to ruins.
..
Those hab-blocks that had not already been destroyed in the fighting vanished in the searing detonations, whole districts wiped out in an instant as hundreds of shells landed on target. Nothing could live under such a thunderous bombardment, and the tau pursuit was annihilated in moments.
hundreds of shells (dozens of artillery platforms?) devastating perhaps hundreds of metres square (multiple blocks.. 400+ meters per side) in bombardment by hundreds of shells. Maybe at least a 10-20 m diameter ‘area of effect’ although calcing it beyonnd that I can’t be sure, though I;’m assuming close to 1000 shells there.



Page 356
Shells with armour piercing warheads penetrated deep into the roadway junction of the Imperator and Spur Bridges, before exploding with unimaginable force to leave thirty metre craters in their wake.
This is a bit more calcable, as they’re earthshaker shells. Except the deep penetrating bit is something I’m not sure how it woudl affect the diameter. Assuming a 30 m crater in rock it would be many tons of TNT easily (~4-5 tonnes) but again I’m not sure how that really meshes for a ‘penetrate then explode’ round. or if it quite meshes up with roadway (depends on what its made of!)

By comparison the Schewere Gustav rounds make a 10x10 m crater, at 700 kg of tnt, and the AP version could penetrate 7 m of concrete.

A 16” shell could make a 15 m wide crater, which would seem to compare. Still even if I overestimated my ealrier calc by 100x, 40-50 kg of TNT analogue for an Earthshaker shell is going to be damn impressive (which can be between 20-38 kg, esp since an AP round is going to pack less TNT than a conventional HE round.)



Page 362
Guardsmen were emerging from foxholes and ad-hoc dugouts, their faces bloody and grimy with las-burns.
I wonder if ‘las burns’ is supposed to be a laser analgoue to powder burns. If so, what do they come from? Proximity of an overheating lasweapon to human skin? we do know they can get hot from prolonged firing.



Page 363-364
Even after armour-administered emetics and purgatives, he could still feel nebulous alien emotions and thoughts scratching in his mind.
..
Though situated within the spinal cord, the omophagea eventually meshed with a Space Marine’s brain and effectively allowed him to learn by eating. Nerve sheaths implanted between the spine and the preomnoral stomach wall allowed the omophagea to absorb genetic material generated in animal tissue as a function of memory, experience or innate ability.

Few Chapters of Space Marines could still successfully culture such a rarefied piece of biological hardware, but the Apothecaries of the Ultramarines maintained their battle-brothers’ gene-seed legacy with the utmost care and purity. Mutations had crept into other Chapters’ genetic repositories, resulting in unwholesome appetites and myriad flesh-eating and blood-drinking rituals. To think that he had indulged in flesh eating in the manner of barbarous Chapters like the Flesh Tearers and Blood Drinkers was abhorrent to Learchus, and he had confessed his fears to Issam as the moon rose on the night they reached Praxedes.
omophagea and its ‘rarity’. Interesting that Learchus considers its use so repugnant, likening it to cannibalism despite its effectiveness. Also the use of chemicals ot purge the effects out.



Page 364
“When we get back to Macragge the Apothecaries will swap your blood out and cleanse it of any taint.”
Blood transfusions to remove taint.



PAge 369
He’d heard that a single Astartes warrior was worth a hundred mortal soldiers, but Loic knew their real worth could not be measured by simple arithmetic. Space Marines were inspirational figures, warriors that every man dug deep into his soul to emulate. Their courage and honour was immeasurable, and to fight with them was to fight with the gods of battle themselves.
More psychological value of Space Marines.



Page 370
Loic took out the silver flask and offered it to his fellow officers. 'Uskavar? It’s a good blend, nice and smooth, and I think we deserve it, eh?”

Gerber nodded. “Might as well. We’re on our own now, so where’s the harm?”

“Commissar?”

Vogel accepted the flask and took a hit, his eyes widening at the strength of the drink.

“Told you it was a good blend,” said Loic, taking the flask back.

The three officers shared a companionable silence as they looked over the bridge.
Like I said, Commissar Vogel is a neat guy.



Page 371
“Emperor’s mercy,” whispered Vogel. “There are so many.”

“Now who’s being defeatist?” chuckled Gerber.
Heh.



PAge 373
“You will want for nothing in your new life as a valued citizen of the Tau Empire. With everyone working towards the Greater Good no one goes hungry, no one lacks shelter and everyone is afforded the opportunity to contribute.”
AFAIK that’s true.



Page 374
“La’tyen was taken prisoner and suffered greatly at the hands of her captors. She was tortured and beaten, as I would have been had we not escaped.”

“I’m sorry to hear that,” said Koudelkar, hiding his sudden fear of the warrior, knowing that she had been tortured on his orders. He looked away from her scars to hide the guilt that he felt sure was written all over his face.

“It is of no consequence,” said Aun’rai, and Koudelkar wondered if La’tyen felt the same. Somehow he doubted it.
So do I. I wonder if the Ethereal truly does not care, or if that he’s saying so for diplomatic reasons? Also another of those ‘little things’ that lead to the greater tragedies.



Page 380
The first battlesuit landed just behind Parmian and unleashed a searing blast of fiery plasma at point-blank range.

The wounded scout had no time to scream as he was instantly incinerated, leaving nothing but the blackened shreds of a corpse.


At least single, or maybe double digit MJ for incinerate that isnt cremation.



Page 382
The combatants crashed to the floor, and La’tyen stabbed the mortally wounded enforcer again and again in a frenzy of grief, anger and hatred. Blood spurted, and sprayed the walls in spattering arcs as La’tyen let the horror of her torture in the Glasshouse pour from her in a frenzy of savage violence.

Koudelkar recoiled from the awfulness of Sharben’s death, horrified at the animal savagery of the killing. La’tyen looked up, and through the mask of blood coating her twisted features, Koudelkar saw the true nature of the tau race, the darkness they kept hidden behind their veneer of civilisation and fantastical notions of the Greater Good.
Oh yeah, definitely Mont’au. The interesting thing about this is, while the terrified human’s POV distorts the intent of this passage (its meant to show the tau as more brutal than they are) it’s actually an interesting sort of theme to ascribe to them. The idea that the tau are ascribing for a higher ideal (teh Greater Good) while they still struggling with their darker natures... that’s far more interesting than the pointless ‘dynamic’ crap.

That said, this is rather biased for the tau, as I have noted, they tend not to tolerate this sort of extremist behaviour (normally) from any tau, because it is a throwback to their older times, and I wouldn’t call this their ‘true nature’ any more than the same in humans would be their true nature. That beings have both darker, base natures and higher, noble ones is part of being human, why would it be any less so for the Tau?



Page 383
The adept was not to be dissuaded from his course, however, and he and the dazed Fire Warrior pulled the triggers in the same moment. Koudelkar flinched as volleys of searing blue energy beams sprayed the room.

The Fire Warrior went down in a crumpled heap, his chest a cratered ruin, but he had taken his killer with him. Lortuen Perjed was punched from his feet, his fragile body torn virtually in two by the flurry of high energy bolts.
Pulse carbines I suppose. Again beam weapons rather than projectiles.



Page 384
“You call to your Emperor for aid?” asked Aun’rai. “After all we have discussed, you still turn to your distant Emperor for solace? No matter what your intellect might say, you look to gods and spirits in times of trouble. How pathetically human of you.”

“She’s dead!” wailed Koudelkar. “Don’t you understand? She’s dead.”

“I understand all too well,” said Aun’rai coldly, as La’tyen appeared at his side, her face and armour drenched in Sharben’s blood.
...
He stood and faced the two tau. One desperately wanted to kill him, the other to enslave him, and Koudelkar wasn’t sure which fate he dreaded more.
Sounds a bit arrogant doesn’t it? What happens is that Koudelkar has seen his family and friends/associates killed fighting with the tau, so all the crap that has built up at this point comes home to roost in a single, horrific moment. The initial overtures ot the tau, the torture and brutality of Culla, etc. Its a single, tragic, and incredibly effective example of the horrors of war, and how it destroys people and their ideals with hate and rage. Human and tau, really, which is something they do share.




Page 391
A bloodyfaced Fire Warrior held a knife to the governor’s throat, and hurrying alongside him was a figure Uriel recognised immediately. The tau noble they had captured after the battle at the Shonai.
Oh dear. Kidnapping an Imperial governor at knifepoint.



Page 397-398
The tau warriors threw themselves into the Ultramarines, attacking in a frenzy of clubbing blows and pointblank shots of their stubby carbines.
..
These warriors were Pathfinders, and it was a measure of the tau’s desperation to protect their leader that such lightly armoured warriors were being sent to stop them.
...
The tau fought with frenzied courage, but they could not hope to best three such professional killers.
...
“I thought the tau preferred not to engage in close combat,” said Issam, gutting another.

“They really do not want us to capture their leader,” said Learchus, putting the last Fire Warrior down with a brutal chop from the edge of his fist.

“Damn it,” said Issam, setting off after the tau once again. “They’re just trying to delay us.”

“And it has worked,” cursed Uriel.
Tau delaying tactics for the Greater Good. When it comes to an Ethereal all bets are off! This is especially hilarious when you consider the whole 'all tau/auxilia are equal' :P




Page 399
Suddenly, a slashing shape came out of nowhere, and Uriel ducked as a missile blazed a path overhead. It streaked towards the Orca, and, in the fraction of a second before it impacted, Uriel was shocked to see that it was a tau missile.
...
Uriel suspected he knew the answer, and looked back the way they had come to see Learchus holding one of the tau carbines at his shoulder.
I guess Seeker missiles are set to automatic launch when a markerlight paints something. And no IFF to throw it off.



Page 400
“My death matters little,” said Aun’rai, but Uriel saw the first chink in the tau’s outward cool. Uriel was no interrogator, but he knew the tau noble was lying.
Of course its lying. The tau just sacrificed huge numbers of themselves just to keep Uriel and his comrades from intercepting the freaking Ethereal as he tries escaping.



Page 400-401
“My forces are on the verge of overrunning Olzetyn and there is little left to stop us from taking this world.”
...
“You will have to kill every single human on this planet to hold it, and even then the Imperium will not let you keep it. Forces from neighbouring systems are already en route to Pavonis, and you won’t have a strong enough grip on this world by then to keep them at bay.”
...
“You have fought well, Aun’rai. Your warriors have earned themselves much honour, but you will gain nothing by continuing this fight.”

“And why is that?” asked Aun’rai, a hint of arrogance in his tone, the same arrogance Uriel had recognised in all his encounters with the tau in this war.
Kind of an interesting comparison isnt it? The Ethereal wans to continue the war, and believes he can win, but Uriel notes they dont’ have the capability to hold the planet against counterattack, and the Ethereal does not contradict him. Moreover, Uriel wants to end the wear peacably to end further needless slaughter. He even treats them respectably.. and the Ethereal is arrogant.



Page 401
Because my starship carries weapons that can reduce a world to a barren airless rock in moments,” said Uriel, “and if you do not order an immediate withdrawal, I will order those weapons deployed.”

"You are lying, Uriel Ventris of the Ultramarines,” sneered Aun’rai. “Just to prevent us from taking this world, you would see it burned to ash?”

“In a heartbeat,” said Uriel, surprised to find he actually meant it.

How far he had come since his last time on Pavonis…
An interesting turn of events, isnt it? Uriel is now to the point of threatening to destroy a planet to achieve his goals, when in the past he has fought against such how many times. and he realises that irony. It’s a moment of growth for him, methinks. He understands perhaps how Barzano must have felt.

And of course the whole ‘destroy a planet’ thing in seconds. While we could discuss the manner of it, I’m sure its some sort of exterminatus ordnance like cyclonics or something (apparently removing oceans and air at the same time.)



Page 401-402
“You are a barbarous race, you humans,” said the Ethereal. “To think we were once like you fills me with shame.”
...

Uriel could feel his despair, yet took no pleasure in the Ethereal’s defeat. What he had said was true. The tau had fought with honour, and were a foe worthy of recognition.
Man, compared to Uriel, the Ethereal is being a real ass, isn’t he? To be fair he is concerned about the safety of his warriors (even asks Uriel) so he can’t be all bad. Note also that threatening to destroy a whole world to deny the tau does not make Uriel feel justifield or morally superior, which is another difference between him and alot of more assholish Marines.




Page 403
Aun’rai shook his head at Uriel’s apparent indifference. “You are a doomed culture, Uriel Ventris of the Ultramarines. You thirst for personal gain and glorification while your Imperium rots from within. Such a society cannot, ultimately, survive.”
...

“No such warriors [of honour] exist amongst your race,” snapped Aun’rai. “You are gue’la barbarians, and you delay the inevitable, nothing more. The frontier of our empire moves with the turning of the planets, and it will push you before it until there is nowhere left for you. Then your race will be no more. The frontier is for those unafraid to face the future, not for those who cling to a forgotten past.”
More tau arrogance and boasting. It’s worth noting that by some sources they really do believe they’ll topple the Imperium because it is dying. Again the petty manner in which they act is.. interesting.



Page 409
Within ten hours of the truce being brokered between tau and Imperial forces, an armada of Mantas was rising into the air above Praxedes.
Time for the tau forces to withdraw to orbit



PAge 409
Thousands were dead, and many thousands more would forever bear the horror of their wounds. Scars, both mental and physical, would be borne by every man and woman who had resisted the alien invaders.

Much of Pavonis was in ruins..
Really plays into that ‘horror of war’ thing doesn’t it? And not just humans, but the tau had scars, and it was inflicted on both sides.. its not just one dimensional. There are human heroes and villains, just like there are both on the tau side, and they don’t come out of thin air, they are made.



Page 410
Warships from nearby systems, and a rapid strike cruiser from Macragge, had translated from the warp at the system jump point an hour ago, and were even now drawing near.
We’re probably talking a matter of days response time.. less than a week given context in the story. Days for the Strike cruiser to cross hundreds/thousands of light years (subjective) and days for the nearby systems to respond (10-20 LY at least?) Also its interesting that there were warp-capable warships from nearby systems at all available. Naval patrol or garrison, or are they local planetary defense ships?



Page 412
“If you ever find yourself in Segmentum Solar, you’ll be assured a place of honour at the regimental mess on Lavrentia.”
The LAvrentians seem to come from Segmentum Solar. What’s more, it implies they might be going BACK there.
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Re: Ultramarines novels analaysis/discussion thread

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And.. Chapter's Due. Last (current) novel of the Ultramarines series we return to the 'Honsou' phase of things. Basically its the conclusion of Honsou's efforts to amass a Grand and Terrible fleet to devastate the Ultramarines. In typical Honsou fashion, he thinks big, plans little, and fails spectacularly. Contrast this with the Word Bearer's own assault on the FIVE HUNDRED worlds of Ultramar, and contrast it with Honsou's efforts, he makes the Tau look like Herculean military forces.

That said, the novel itself is literally orders of magnitude better than DSBS, its just that it would be MUCH better with Honsou out of it entirely. We get some resolution to the Neverborn, Vaanes, and we get some super-ninja Raven Guard, which help improve the book but really don't IMHO make up for Honsou. Still, its the 'best' Honsou oriented book in the Smrufs series yet, so that says something, right?


This one is only two updates

Page 13
A thousand times a thousand shrines dot the routes through Ultramar, and pilgrims come from all across the galaxy to display their devotion to the legendary warrior...
...
Hundreds of chartered vessels ply the transit routes between the worlds of Ultramar every day, bringing thousands of devotees to pray at the feet of the primarch. To stand in the presence of one of the Emperor’s sons is an honour few will ever equal in their lives, for many will have spent their last credit just to reach this place. Many never leave again and die on Macragge, having fulfilled their life’s dream to bathe in the golden light that fills the glorious sepulchre.
Macragge is a major vacation point it seems, even if a final place. Of course one would think ending up on MacRagge is one of the better ways one could go, since its supposed to be such a grand place. also I can't see the Smurfs letting people just exist on the planet to die - it wouldn't be noble and shit.

Hundreds of vessels just amongst eight or so (or five hundred, depending on your interpretation) worlds, simply for the passenger traffic.

Also 'credit' seems to be used as a monetary standard commonly throughout the Imperium, or at least some analogue. That implies at least some form of centralized 'unit of measurement' for economic matters. Which is not really surprising, since you'd assume they'd need some standards to assess taxation by (especially given the myriad forms in which a tithe can take - you have to equate human life with food with raw resources with processed goods SOMEHOW.)



Page 14
The city of Axum spread out around him...
...
..it was located at the confluence of three rivers and surrounded by millions of hectares of arable land. High above, the great dome stretched over the city and hundreds of kilometres beyond, shielding the farmland around the city from the arid climate and parched earth that sucked all moisture from the land.
I wonder if this makes it a 'hive' city technically? Probably not, since its not crowded or polluted.


Page 15
One of three worlds orbiting a common centre of gravity, Tarentus was an agriworld and part of the breadbasket of Ultramar. Billions of tonnes of foodstuffs were produced on Tarentus, and only by such planetary-scale agriculture could many other worlds of the Imperium flourish.
I'm assuming the agri worlds produce far more than a few billion tonnes, since our own world produces about that much according to here ( hell a third of that is just waste!) given its meant to feed multiple other worlds (particularily hive worlds.)

In any case the ability to ship it to other star systems alone is impressive, given the energy costs in pushing into orbit and moving it to the edge of a systme, and then into the warp... etc...



Page 15
From here, Master Unathi of the Adeptus Mechanicus kept watch over Axum and Tarentus.

Unathi commanded the orbital defences of Tarentus, a series of geostationary missile stations, gun batteries and a small fleet of system monitors. Each of these vessels made elliptical patrol circuits of the triple planets, but none were to be seen on the orbital plot displayed on the main picter.
Orbitla defenses of the Agri world.



Page 17
The remaining system monitors were being recalled even now..
...

The two monitors in orbit around Tarentus had been hunted down and destroyed..
At least 4 monitors. probably more.



Page 17
He gave a nod of acknowledgement to the gunners and looked up through the shimmering haze of the dome arcing overhead.

“Will it protect us?” asked Nkiru, following his gaze.

“The dome is strong, and protected by layers of voids, but against the weapons of a Ramilies-class star fort I fear it will be battered down in moments.”
...
“If destruction is our enemies’ only thought, then we have little hope of surviving a bombardment.”

“Then why do we stand the defences to arms?”
The dome is void shielded, but not enough to withstand a Star fort's bombardment.



Page 17
..though the power of the Indomitable was such that its guns could reduce its cities to ashen cinders..
Power of the Indomitable's defenses.



Page 33-34
The vast body of the structure of the Ultramarines fortress-monastery was built around the mightiest peaks of Macragge...
...
Yet for all its apparent lightness of form, there was no stronger fortification or more solid structure in all the Imperium.
...
Uriel had to agree with his sergeants, for the view was one of stunning magnificence, a continent-sized fastness so massive that only one other manmade structure in the galaxy could compare to its grandeur—the Imperial Palace.
The SMurf's fortress monastery, at least the 'technical' aspects. They also note how well designed and architecturally beautiful it is. Cuz Guilliman is perfect and all that. Uriel even says its better than Terra because Terra is an industrial shithole.



Page 40
“Every world of Ultramar has at least one Inquisition capture-drone in orbit,”
..
The Ultramarines permitted the Inquisition to maintain a base within Ultramar, but such an agreement was supposedly based on the premise that neither organisation would interfere with the other’s business.
...
“You are spying on our worlds?” stormed Agemman.

“We were doing our job,” returned Suzaku.
I wonder if they keep tabs on EVERY Marine chapter (They know of) like that? Every world of the Imperium, perhaps? And how does the information get transmitted? Courier or is there astrotelepathy involved?



Page 42
“That’s why it was always guarded,” said Galenus, the loss of half his company almost too much to bear. “You couldn’t get rid of it, so you had to keep watch on it.”
Apparently the Indomitable had a full half company from the 5th on reserve. You'd think the guy might wonder more why he perpetually has only part of his command.




Page 43
“The Golbasto Facility,” began Magos Locard. “An isolated research outpost set up fifty-three point nine Terran standard years ago to study the effect of various growth exacerbators on basic foodstuff crops. The research was only moderately successful at first, but two years ago Magos Szalin reported promising results with a new viral agent he named the Heraclitus strain.”
HERETICAL!



Page 47
He could see in the dark almost as well as he could during the hours of daylight, but the magnoculars registered the heat signature of their targets’ poorly maintained power armour.
IR binocs.



Page 48
Issam pressed his body to the rockcrete channel and gave his rifle a thorough check. The action was clear, the energy cell fully charged and the sights clear.

Daxian performed a ranging check with his magnoculars. “Two hundred and fifteen metres,” he said.
..
...dialling in the range on his rifle’s sights.
Scouts. Range to their shots, as well as the fact they're using some sort of 'energy' rifle. Probably a long-las variant.



Page 49
His vision through the sight was a pale blue. The angles of the wall were dark and cold, the outlines of the figures walking this segment of the ramparts a soft, glowing white. A Mark V helmet drifted through the crosshairs, but this was no warrior of the Adeptus Astartes he had slotted in his sight.
...
Issam let the sensors from his sight tell him the wind velocity, ambient temperature and relative humidity.
Sniper scope. I wonder if this means (Scout) sniper rifles (if not Guard versions) can penetrate and kill power armour? Or are they targeting weak points?



Page 51
Issam flipped down his visor lens and sent a rapid data squirt on a prearranged frequency. A series of icons flickered to life on the lens, each representing one of the four Scout squads that had made their approaches from different sectors.
Scout equivalent of the visor displays Astartes helmets have, I imagine.



Page 51-52
..Issam drew a bead on an enemy soldier whose face was obscured by an iron mask in the form of a snarling bear.
..
On the ninetieth second he squeezed the trigger, and the warrior pitched backwards, the shot going through the eyeslit and blowing out the back of his helmet in a near soundless explosion of blood and bone.
..
...he expertly shifted aim and took out another target.
...
Three more enemy soldiers fell to Issam’s lethally accurate fire...
Sniper fire. Headsplosion. Doesnt seem to be a hotshot, at least not of the single-shot variety, anyhow. At least single or oduble digit kj, but probably more given a.) it was probably meant to penetrate Space MArine helmets, b.) it doesn't factor in penetration/damage to the mask or the back of the helmet, or c.) thermal effects.



Page 53
Issam pulled off the blasted remains of the corpse’s iron mask. The man’s face was gone, punched inwards by the shot and there was nothing left to tell where he had come from or what he had looked like.
More on the above shot.



Page 56-57
He saw twin points of gleaming light reflected on the blade of his sword and looked up to see two glowing embers in the sky, like a pair of malevolent eyes staring down at him.

Fast-moving and brighter than the pre-dawn stars, the image reminded Uriel of the shared memory he’d lived before arriving at the Temple of Correction. Without quite knowing how, he knew that these were harbingers of destruction.
...
“We will be airborne momentarily.”

“How did you know?” said Tiberius. “We only just picked them up.”

“Picked what up?”

“An orbital torpedo battery launched two warheads at the surface. Space is lousy with electromagnetic radiation, and we didn’t see them through the clutter of the debris up here.”

“Trajectory?” asked Uriel, though he already knew the answer.

“On Axum,” said Tiberius. “You’ve got a minute at best.”
Torpedo launch. apparnelty from orbit. How Uriel saw it I dont know - that would imply they were already in the atmosphere, but if that wsa the case why didn't the Vae Victus pick it up and warn them sooner? Even Tiberius seems shocked Uriel knew.

In any case, if they are in orbit we might figure 2000 km in a minture (for low orbit) which is aorund 30 km/s. If they are in orbit the fastest it could be would be a few km/s (although that's much too slow for atmospheric reentry.)

On the other hand we learned already (and later) that the platforms tend to be geostationary, assuming they launch from 35,000 km away the average velocity is ~583 km/s. This is consistent with 'hundreds of km/s' torpedo velocities from various sources (HH short stories, Iron Hands, etc.)



Page 59
...Uriel watched from the pilot’s compartment as the two warheads impacted in the centre of Axum. The cockpit canopy had been dimmed, and a blinding light flashed into existence just before a second detonation. By the time the canopy cleared, twin mushroom clouds clawed their way into the sky with dreadful finality.

Axum was gone, a city that bore the hallmarks of all that was good and noble in Ultramar, reduced to ashes in a microsecond. All trace of the battle they had just fought was obliterated by warheads designed to cripple starships.
Destruction of Axum via two torpedoes. As we noted before, Axum is pretty damn big (at least the dome is, and the terrain around it) although whether it destroyed the city, or included everything under the done is liable to be debated. There's also the 'microsecond' bit which could imply some VERY high yields (destroying even a few hundred meter area in a microsecond requires very fast-moving destructive effects, methinks, we're talking in the moments of fireball formation or even before that.) A third (but important) point is to recall that Mcneil has consistently noted anti ship torpedoes as being triple stage - one to penetrate, one to drive the warhead deep, before the main charge goes off, so we'd probably be talking about massive, subsurface detonations blowing a huge crater out.

We could definitely say they're less than teraton range, probably, given the lack of persistant fireballs or the total destruction of the planet or blowing a massive crater in the surface down to the mantle, but that's about it. It's also possible its an unconventional warhead, accounting for some variables (like the 'microsecond bit, assuming it's taken literally.)

If we infer the entire dome was destroyed, and each torpedo took half the area (hundreds of km) we could be talking hundreds of megatons easily, if not thousands for the torpedoes, although that's assuming surface detonations (in the SDN nuke effcts calculator)



Page 61
Enmeshed within a pool of sluicing amniotic gel, the corrupt magos of the Mechanicus had evolved his internal mecha-organic workings to no longer require him to move from station to station.

The Titan they had destroyed on Majaax had furnished Cycerin with bioconductive gels, and technology stripped from the Basilica Dominastus of the Indomitable had allowed him to fashion this disgusting means of more effectively linking with the mechanisms of the Warbreed.
They seemed to work this out faster than the Silver Skulls did in Gildar Rift. Of course with Chaos involved that might make a difference, but since its borrowing Titan stuff partly it doesnt seem liek that great a leap, either.

I'm guessing the fluids in the princeps tanks we sometimes see is 'bio-conductive' gel.



Page 62
While the makeweights of Honsou’s fleet battered themselves against Talassar’s screen of orbital torpedo silos and the relentless broadsides of hundreds of geostationary gun platforms,..
Scope of the orbital defneses



Page 62
It was a small fleet, three frigates and a destroyer attended by a host of rapid strike craft and a pair of aging system monitors, yet its strength was not to be underestimated.
Defense fleet. I wonder why they treat frigates/destroyers and 'rapid strike craft' as separate entities? Are those suppoest to be fighters?



PAge 62
One of the vessels Huron Blackheart had presented Honsou, the venerable Apocalypse-class battleship was ready for the scrapyard, with more than half its weapon systems non-functioning.
...
The Farsider’s lance batteries were defunct, but its main gun could still fire and it unleashed a searing blast from its frontal cannon, a weapon whose barrel ran almost the length of its keel. Graviometric impellers hurled the deadly projectile towards the Ultramarines ships at close to light speed. The resulting implosion obliterated three rapid strike cruisers and sent a system monitor limping for the dark side of the planet.
Honsou has a crap battleship. It says something that Huron feels he can give that way secondhand to Honsou, doesn't it?

also the nova cannon, which flings a projectile at 'close to light speed' and uses an implosion warhead. Which is quite distinctly different from the 5000 km/s and 'explodes on impact' nova cannon from Warriors of Ultramar. Some have noted that this may indicate the WoU one is retconned as an error, whilst others have suggested that for some reason 5000 km/s means 'close to lightspeed' (which only works by the vaguest stretch of the imagination. Nevermind it contradicts Rogue Trader, Execution Hour/Shadow Point, and god knows what other examples. Why we should rearrange other sources to fit a single, older example is beyond me, but some people just seem to HATE the nova cannon for some reason. :lol:)

The obvious answer of course is that nova cannons are a class of weapon, since god knows we have so many different kinds ranging from spinal mount energy cannon (The exo laser/nova cannon from Dark Creed/Know No Fear) to a myriad of projectile weapons of various (and even bizarre) kinds.

And again note the 'rapid strike cruiser's seem to be smoe sort of separate escort from the others.




Page 63
“but at least it’ll show M’kar how much it needs us if it wants to bring Ultramar to its knees.”

“You think that’s what it wants?” said Grendel.

“Of course, don’t you?”

Grendel shook his head. “No, it just wants to kill Ultramarines. It doesn’t care about revenge. It even told you vengeance was irrelevant.”
..
“How do you know? Since when did you become confidante to a daemon?”

“It’s as plain as day,” said Grendel, as though amazed Honsou hadn’t seen it. “It doesn’t matter how this ends. It’s a creature of the warp. It will endure, but the Ultramarines will be a spent force when the dust finally settles. It’ll see us all dead by the end of this, if we let it.”
Doesn't sound like Honsou's grand crusade is going well at all does it? Should we be surprised that such an 'outside the box' thinker is having trouble? No wonder I keep thinking of him as the Chaos equivalent of Sarpedon.



Page 64-65
“That’s a lot of firepower,” noted Grendel.

“Not as much as Warbreed,” promised Honsou.
..
“Launch counter-spread. Target Hera’s Wrath, she’s the only one with torpedoes.”

Though he couldn’t feel it, Honsou knew the torpedoes were already blasting from their prow launch bays.
...
The Ultramarines rapid strike vessels flew into the path of the incoming torpedoes and unleashed a withering storm of gunfire into the path of the warheads. The odds of actually hitting an object as slender and fast as a torpedo were infinitesimally small, but the captains of the rapid strike vessels knew that, and filled space before them with expanding storms of whickering explosive shrapnel and scrambling flurries of electromagnetic radiation.

Thirteen torpedoes detonated prematurely as their machine spirits registered false signals and the expanding clouds of spinning debris shredded another dozen.

The rapid strike captains dived into the midst of the surviving torpedoes to rake their appointed sector with battery fire. Such a reckless manoeuvre caught yet more of the torpedoes, but not all of them.

Of the fifty torpedoes launched, barely a handful breached the picket screen, and the close-in defences of Hera’s Wrath blew all but one to pieces. Efficient damage control kept the ship in the fight, with only a barely noticeable loss in performance.
Warbreed Launches 50 torpedoes, and the strike vessels intercept them. again they act/seem like smaller escorts, which is technically what destroyers and frigates are :P



Page 70
Kaarja Salombar sketched him a roguish salute, her wild blue hair swirling around her thin features. Honsou supposed that she was beautiful, with pale skin and warm, almond-shaped eyes of striking violet. There were some who said there was eldar blood in her veins, and Honsou would be hard pressed to disagree. Her tall, slender frame and inhuman grace certainly suggested an affinity with that ancient race.
Heh. A half human, half eldar! The issue of whether 'Space halfelves' can exist will never be resolved, methinks. :P



Page 72-73
...Looking out over the adoring faces of warriors, killers, monsters and xenos creatures, he was momentarily taken aback as he realised the churning sensation in his gut was hatred for the daemon-thing he had freed from the warp-core of the Indomitable.

He had thought to use it as a weapon, but the weapon turned out to have its own
agenda, and had more or less taken over his army without him even being aware of it.

He shouldn’t have been surprised, for it was a prince of the immaterium...
...
A being of such power could no more be a follower than Honsou.
...
So long as his warriors killed the enemy, he cared nothing for their affections. That was the Iron Warriors’ way and he saw no need to change it, but to have his own army stolen from under him was something he had never considered.
...
So did it matter whose hand was on the tiller?

Absolutely. This was his army, his dark crusade and his vengeance.

Honsou felt his emotions threatening to get the better of him, and he bit the inside of his mouth bloody to control his rising fury. He forced himself to listen to the daemon prince’s proselytising, feeling his contempt for it as acrid bile in the back of his throat.

M’kar spoke with the passion of a zealot with utter faith and certainty in its words. It spoke with a fervour Honsou found distasteful.
You know, even though I clipped out bits of it, its still really telling into Honsou's character. He has utterly no regard for the people serving under him, so he routinely spends them like water. He has no concept of loyalty or trust - indeed he seems to have gone to the far end of things since the days of Storm of Iron, and that's an interesting contrast considering how things could have been with Forrix (indeed, how Forrix acted was quite different. It's almost as if Honsou tries to deny that.)

What's more, he acts irrational, petulant, and generally deluded. He thought he could control a daemon and he was wrong. He didnt think he'd get his army taken from him. He was wrong. And he's mad because it happened! Yet again those Sarpedon-like parallels grow even stronger. And this is why I have a hard time taking him seriously as a villain. Anytime he tries to pull of some grand, destructive scheme, it backfires in some way when it comes to execution, but it's never his fault. and we're supposed to believe he's some major player in Chaos or something. I mean fuck, Abbadon achieves more than this guy, and on a far grander scale.



Page 75
The Imperium’s distrust of the psyker was one of the crucial hypocrisies that kept it from total unity, yet the solution to that dichotomy was beyond Tigurius.

How could any society preach intolerance of that which allowed it to function?

What was the difference between sorcery and psychic power? Did it depend on the wielder, or did it depend on the outcome? Or was it the means employed to gain the power what mattered? It was all in the definitions, knew Tigurius.
While I wholly agre with Tigrius WRT hypocrisy and the contradiction of the Imperium and their use of (and attitude toward), I can't believe the chief librarian of the ultramarines doesn't know the difference between sorcery and psychic power. One is innate, and one is bestowed by an external warp entity (like a daemon or a chaos god.) Shouldn't he know this?



Page 76-77
He smiled and felt the first stirrings of the vast web of the future coalescing around him, its shivering cords visible as the finest golden lines. All existence was embodied within this web, an unimaginably complex and interwoven lattice that constantly sang with the impacts mortals made upon it. The vast majority of individuals were so insignificant to the grand parade of history that even the mightiest among them sent only the tiniest shiver along its fibres, but every now and again…

The cords around Tigurius were singing and he felt the confluence of destinies in this moment. Lives of consequence were coming together, and such was the force of the vibrations running along the web that Tigurius knew that many would soon be stilled forever. Dozens of the golden lines around him were in motion and he followed the nearest, letting the subtle shifts of its temporal frequency guide him to a potential future.

He followed it until the world splintered around him as the future took on too many aspects to see any with any degree of clarity. The future of Ultramar hung on a million different threads, each one pulled taut in myriad different directions.

Tigurius saw a host of threads knotted together, each vibrating with desperate urgency as events impacted upon them.
Not unlike the Skein we learn about in 'Path of hte Seer.' Indeed Tigurius seems ot have a measure of divinatory capability akin to a Eldar Seer/Farseer, although he's not delving anywhere NEAR as deep into the future as they can (probably less than a year in this case, whereas Eldar go decades or centuries or more into the skein to make predictions.)



Page 77
A half-breed witch woman with blue hair and colourful robes launched herself at him..
I wonder if that's the half-eldar chick again.



Page 81
“Then you don’t know Sicarius,” grunted Tiberius. “The idea that Agemman will get the chance to fight alongside the Chapter Master and save Sicarius’ home world will not sit well with him. He is Grand Duke of Talassar, and it is his duty to fight for his people. And Sicarius will not like anything that sidelines the 2nd and boosts Agemman’s standing.”

“You really think Sicarius has his eye on Captain Agemman’s position?” said Pasanius.

“Cato has his eye on a greater prize than Regent of Ultramar,” replied Tiberius.

“Enough,” said Uriel. “Cato Sicarius is a warrior of great honour and it does not become you, any of you, to be talking about him in this way.”
Between Mcneill and Kyme, I'm actually willing to believe Tiberius when it comes to Sicarius and his ambitions. The man is a bit of a grandstander. Maybe that's one reason I keep seeing McNeill as 'not liking' Sicarius - the way he's acting is sort of in line with that behaviour, but it still feels.. I dunno. Odd. And maybe I shoudl be mad at Sicarius since he's to blame for DSBS.



Page 85
“When do we translate into the warp?”

Tiberius answered her. “We’ll reach the fringeward jump point in two days, then it shouldn’t take us more than a week, warp-willing, to reach Calth.”
2 days ofr the Vae Victus to reach the edge of the system, a week to calth. Wehther that transit is purely warp travle, or also includes time to reach the planet itself... we don't know. Whether that is warp/realspace time we dont know either. It's not likely to be faster than hundreds or thousands of c though in this case, since we're well within the borders of Ultramar (eg less than a sector.)

Asusming 1 AU to transit and 2 days, we get 2 gees of constant accel and 1700 km/s max velocity.

More probably, though we're talking 'edge of the system' on the order of light hours - billions of km, which means at least 25-30 gees of constant accel, and a max speed of nigh on 25,000 km/s.. about 8% of c.



Page 87
A Salamander Scout vehicle led the way, its main gun traversing to cover the bend ahead, a constant relay of surveyor chatter passing between it and the Chimera troop carrier following behind it.

A second Chimera followed the first, and a Salamander command tank was sandwiched between it and a third armoured carrier. Eight heavily laden trucks marked with the winged skull and crossed pistol symbol of the Munitorum drew up the rear, and a final Chimera took on the role of tail-gunner.

Two aircraft flew in overlapping figure of eight formation overhead, a Valkyrie assault carrier and a Vulture gunship, both painted in the pale blue and silver of the Espandor Defence Auxilia.
PDF covoy. Seems that despite being part of Macragge they still rely on the Munitorumm. They also have their own aircraft.



Page 91
“Their commander was reckless,” said Sicarius. “They had attacked the same way the last three times and were sloppy.”

“Sloppy?” said Gallow. “They fought hard. We lost twenty men and several vehicles.”

“Acceptable losses,” said Sicarius. “The enemy now know we are not afraid to take the fight to them, and that will make them wary. And wary enemies are already beaten.”

Gallow shouldered his shotgun. “I hope you’re right,” he said. “We’ve lost six cities already, and they don’t seem beaten.”

“That’s because you are thinking of mortal warfare,” said Sicarius. “The Adeptus Astartes are fighting alongside you now. We do not fight like you.”

“I remember,” said Gallow, “I fought alongside Sergeant Learchus and the 4th Company.”

“Against greenskins. This is warfare of a very different kind.”

“I know that. I am not a fool, Captain Sicarius,” said Saul Gallow. “I am a planetary governor of a world of Ultramar, appointed by Lord Calgar himself.”

“Be that as it may, your forces are subordinate to mine. This world is an Ultramarines world. Understand your place.”
Sicarius. I dont know what to say really.



Page 92
His pistol flared, and the top of the officer’s head vaporised, spraying his compatriot with boiling blood and brain fragments.
Sicarius, I believe uses a plasma pistol. Assuming it reduces most of the moisture in the head to boiling point (70% of 4-5 kg) - 3 - 3.5 kg. 800-900 kj for that.



Page 93
“And she is what? Human, xenos?”

The man hesitated. “Human,” he said at last.
...
“No one knows for sure! Some say she’s part eldar. She’s quick like them, but strong.”
Self explanatory. D



Page 95
Tigurius flashed through a dozen images, the flat of his palm pressed to the slate of the glowing display, before finally coming to rest on a sector of space hashed with blizzards of nuclear radiation, the fallout from a nova cannon burst. Vast clouds of gently spinning debris filled this area, a virtually impenetrable mist of physical and electromagnetic static that hung like a wedge of impenetrable fog.
nova cannon 'fog'



Page 96
The display was cluttered with rad-flares and washed with static from atomic detonations..
Someone was iusing atomics.



Page 96
Even the servitors hardwired into the automated systems of the ship seemed energised by the nearness of battle.
Automated ship systems use servitors.



Page 97-98
“Torpedo launch!” shouted Vibius, and. “Coming in on bearing one-nine-three. Range six thousand kilometres. Emperor save us, but they’re from Hera’s Wrath!”

“All ahead full, fire manoeuvring thrusters and get us out of their path,” ordered Calgar, though he knew they would be too close to evade. He knew he should rebuke Vibius for his exclamation, but his horror at one vessel of the Ultramarines fleet firing on another was perfectly understandable.

“Plot a firing solution on the return trajectory,” said Calgar, working out the permutations of this unfolding battle. In any normal engagement, the opposing fleets jockeyed for the perfect firing positions, running broadside with guns blazing or crossing the T of an opposing battle line to bring all their weapons to bear while minimising the return fire of the enemy. Such battles were fought at enormous ranges, giving each commander ample time to plot their stratagems and best utilise the strengths of his ships.

This battle was fought at what was, in void war terms, point-blank range, and the enemy had taken the first shots. This was going to get nasty, bloody and messy very quickly.

“Incoming torpedoes now at two thousand kilometres,” cried Vibius. “Close-in defence turrets engaging now.
...

“Launch all countermeasures and take us into the upper atmosphere. All vessels follow on.”
“More launches! Indomitable has launched a spread, range sixty thousand kilometres. At least fifty warheads!””
Torpedo launch at 'point blank range' and 2000 km range for point defense guns. That means the torps covered 4000 km in probably seconds, leading to tens or hundreds of km/s again.

Starfort launches at least 50 torps from 60,000 km away. Also mention of countermeasures,



Page 105
Sicarius bit back his frustration, wanting to argue, but knowing that Daceus was right. This far out, they were dangerously exposed and far from help. He smiled, his decision made. “I am what I am, Daceus,” said Sicarius at last. “I can’t change that.”

“Nor would I want you to.”

“Some call me vainglorious, I know that. But I am not,” said Sicarius, casting his gaze out over the forest. “I serve the Chapter to the best of my abilities. My way is to move fast and never give my enemies a static target. And the best way to do that is to kill the Corsair Queen. She’s the key, Daceus, I know it.”
Sicarius seems to know his nature.



Page 107
Assembly Hangar Septimus Oravia was just one of a thousand construction yards, nestled cheek by jowl in Calth’s largest surface metropolis. ..

Assembly Hangar Septimus Oravia was a facility for the construction of star-faring vessels, a kilometres-long structure that now served as the mustering area for an army.
...
The shipyards of Calth were justly famous throughout the Imperium, and the skill and craftsmanship of their artificers was beyond compare. Unusually for a facility devoted to crafting such colossal vessels, it was not located in orbit, but upon the smooth, flat surface of Calth.
The shipyards of Calth. Implies it, and probably by extension other similar yards (like on Forge worlds or Naval bases) have similar scale of construciton facitliies for probably hundreds of kilometres-long starships.



Page 108
Boxy dropships from Perpetuum Cogito unfolded rotating racks from within their holds to deploy rank after rank of Mechanicus Protectors, cybernetic soldiers with the look of martial tech-priests fitted with numerous weapon augmentations.

Magos Locard oversaw clattering maniples of weaponised servitors as they marched in perfect synchrony, little more than mechanised torsos fitted to numerous means of locomotion: multiple legs, tracked units or heavy, off-road wheels.

Behind them came thousands of skitarii, feral, brutish warriors clad in hide and reptile skin with gleaming battle augmentations surgically implanted in their flesh. They marched beneath a flapping banner of mottled green skin, branded with the cogged skull of the Mechanicus, and bore a multitude of weapons; heavy cannons, wide-barrelled rifles and a glittering forest of long polearms, axes and toothed eviscerators.
Mechanicus forces.



Page 109
Uriel and his veteran sergeants turned to see a towering vehicle emerge from the cliff-like flanks of a Mechanicus lander. Taller than a hab-block, it was a colossal behemoth on tracks wider than three Land Raiders side by side. Oblong and graceless, it was an enormous mobile fortress that dwarfed even the battle engines of the Legio Titanicus. Its massively thick hull could transport several companies worth of soldiery as well as their attendant armoured vehicles.

“A Capitol Imperialis,” hissed Pasanius. “I haven’t seen one of them in action since Tarsis Ultra. Colonel Rabelaq commanded it, remember?”

“I remember,” said Uriel, picturing the colonel’s desperate sacrifice against the tyranid Bio-titan on that snow-locked battlefield. “And to think they had three on Salinas and just abandoned them.”

A Capitol Imperialis was more commonly deployed behind the front lines where it would act as a command and control base for an army’s senior officers, as well as providing emergency medicae facilities.
McNeill seems to really like Capitol Imperialis.



Page 110
M’kar told me of it before the fleet dispersed. It’s a reliquary shrine to some lost Chapter of the Ultramarines. I figure it’s something symbolic from the days of Horus. Whatever it is, M’kar wants the shrine and everything in it destroyed.”

“So we’re acting on the daemon lord’s orders now, eh?” smirked Grendel.

“No,” snapped Honsou. “Calth and Ventris are our priorities.”

“If this shrine is so important to M’kar, why isn’t it here destroying it?” asked Vaanes.
Just keep telling yourself that Honsou. I'm sure they believe you.



Page 111
Launch algorithms were checked a thousand times a second by the machine spirits, and remote telemetry feeds from the augurs reported a margin of error in the region of 0.00000034, which was well within acceptable tolerances.

Around his circular command throne, twenty mono-tasked servitors oversaw the proper maintenance rituals of the ten macro-cannon batteries mounted on Heliotropus Three-Nine, each attending to the rites necessary to effect the swift loading and accurate firing of such complicated and fractious weapons.
Machine spirit "thousand times a second" and ten macrocannon batteries in the installation, presumably loaded and fired via Servitor.



Page 113
“Torpedoes in the void!” cried Philotas. “Defence Platform Arklight Seven-Seven has fired a full spread of hull-piercing warheads at us. I read a minimum of nineteen inbounds.”
Hull piercing as opposed to what? also 19 torpedo warheads from the platform.



Page 119-120
..a roaring blizzard of heavy calibre shells sawed the air above him. Three of his Iron Warriors were hurled back, all but one pulped to shredded meat and bone by the barrage.
...
He craned his neck to see the Newborn lying on top of him, its helmet a blasted ruin on one side where a shell had torn the ceramite.
...
“Gun servitors,” said the Newborn, pointing into the smoke as it rolled clear. “Praetorian class. Assault cannons.”

Honsou swung his bolter around as three clattering machine warriors emerged from the haze. Each was taller than a Space Marine, the hard grey flesh of their torsos fused with a heavy track unit, like a mobile artillery piece. Their skulls were black and white death masks and the musculature of their upper bodies was massively exaggerated, swollen with gene-bulking and enhanced with cybernetic augmentations to carry the implanted assault cannons that replaced their forearms. Enormous ammo hoppers spewed copper-jacketed casings as their weapons sprayed lethal fire.
..
Targeting lasers flickered in the smoke and fastened on Honsou and the rest of his squad.
Battle Servitors. Assual cannons tear through Marines quite easily.



Page 120
“That was careless,” said Vaanes, stepping forwards and offering Honsou a hand up.

Honsou ignored it and stood with an insouciant shrug.

The Newborn nodded. “That is what I said.”

“I thrive on danger,” he said. “What you see as careless, I see as daring.”

“Daring will get you killed,” said Vaanes. Honsou laughed. “And you’d grieve for me, would you?”

“Hardly, but that’s not the point. Without you there is no army here, just a bunch of killers on the rampage. You keep reaching for the victory that’s as likely to see you dead as triumphant and this whole enterprise is as good as over. Don’t you care about that?”
...
“That’s what you never understood about me, Vaanes,” said Honsou. “I don’t care. I do what I want because it is who I am. Anything else is a lie and if there is one thing I can say of myself, it is that I will never compromise who I am. Not for the powers of the warp, not for the M’kar and certainly not for you. When death is a heartbeat away, I am truly alive.”

Honsou turned away, uncomfortable with such honesty. “That’s the only way I know how to live,” he said. “What else is there?”
Being effective. Or not being an incompetent moron. That might be a stretch for Honsou though. This again is my chief problem with Honsou. He wants to lead this great devastating crusade against the Smurfs. He wants to be some grandiose Warlord and make a mark on the galaxy. He wants to take the war to the Imperium. The dude cannot fucking make up his mind and actually commit to something however, because he always gets caught up in his own petty lil bullshit like this.
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Part 2 and... we're done with the series! We move on to other things next!





Page 127
“The orbital defences were infected by a scrapcode attack,” explained Locard. “A corrupt and debased version of the blessed Lingua Technis, one of the Mechanilingua family of languages used in servitorware scripts. This is a nasty one, very advanced, but they could not have breached the aegis code without knowledge of Ultramar’s defence protocols.”
Scrapcode and machine language.



Page 128
“A crude method to be sure,” said Locard. “I would imagine a dreadful rate of mortality in such a procedure, but the Archenemy cares little for such things.”
Figures Honsou would do it.



Page 129
“I have neuro-invasive equipment on board that should be able to pluck any residual traces of your clone from your mind,” he said with a gleeful smile. “Of course, that equipment was designed for xenos creatures, but it should still be reasonably safe.”
Which menas he has a 67% survival chance.



Page 131
Mortal soldiers took pot shots at the statues with primitive bolt-action lascarbines..
Yep. Bolt action. Laser. Rifles.



Page 132
...a vast, tracked leviathan of steel and dark iron. A hundred metres high, its core structure bore the design hallmarks of a race that once counted the Imperium as an ally until it was betrayed and allowed to fall into extinction. Once, this mobile fortress had fought for the Corpse-Emperor, but now it was a dark cathedral of destruction that served the warriors of the Dark Gods.

It was the Black Basilica, and those Bloodborn without rebreathers travelled within its armoured, oil-soaked hull. An enormous cannon projected from its steepsided glacis, and its lower reaches were swathed with filth-encrusted barbs and looping coils of energised razorwire.
Funny thing is that the Basiliaca is reupted to have 'city levelling' firepower in the Iron Warrior short stories. Even more interesting is that it quite blatantly hints at Squattish origins, and that the squats had at some point (in the past) fought for the Imperium before they were 'betrayed' and had fallen into extinction. Betrayed by the Imperium? Did someone lead the Tyranids to them?

Also does this mean we'll get squat hints in the horus Heresy sereies at some point?



Page 132-133
Tens of thousands of Bloodborn followed the Black Basilica, a host unlike any of Honsou’s Legion had commanded since the defeat of Horus Lupercal. Thousands of mutants, xenos mercenaries, pirates, renegade Astartes, outcasts, monsters, degenerates and criminals stood ready to do his bidding and unleash hell upon the greatest symbol of the Imperium that had rejected them.

Even when Abaddon led his host from the Great Eye, the Iron Warriors had fought in isolated warbands, fearful of being drawn into another disastrous conflict that would see them broken on the wheel of Imperial retribution.
Not asking for much, are the Iron Warriors? Assuming this isn't just Honsou's historicla revisionism again.




Page 133
“It looks alien.”

“It is,” said Magos Locard without turning around. “Much of it employs technology recovered from the ruins of Golgotha in the wake of the routing of the greenskins.”

“This is greenskin technology?” hissed Pasanius. “See, I told you it wasn’t safe!”

“No, Sergeant Pasanius,” said Locard. “It is older than that, remnants of the race the greenskins exterminated to claim Golgotha for themselves. Calm yourself, your captain is in safe hands.”
We haven't even gone a page and we get yet MORE squat tech introduced. Golgotha, if you may recall was a 'squat' homeworld taken by orks. which was also identified as a demiurg homeworld, which might account for the Alien tech.

This means the Demiurg were the squats who were bettrayed by the Imperium, and now working for the tau.


Page 143
Around him, the loxatl of Xaneant’s kinband went perfectly still, following his lead and altering their body chemistry to perfectly blend with the mountain stone and reduce their body heat to almost nothing.
Loxatl stealth capabilities.



Page 144
He rolled onto his side, skidding along and over the greased rails of the recoil compensators. Four gun barrels, each a metre and a half across, were sliding down the rails into the firing position.
1.5 m wide barrels (not muzzles.)



PAge 146
..Learchus led an armoured spearhead of tanks and Defence Auxilia.
..
..the deadly light of Calth’s sun made it impossible for anyone not clad in Astartes battle plate or sealed within an armoured vehicle to survive.
Apparently PDF vehicles cna protect against harsh solar radiation.



Page 152
A withering salvo of flechettes flashed towards him from within the gun battery. The instant before they struck, the darts exploded into a
blizzard of razor fragments and the trooper was shredded into a confetti of blood and flesh.
Loxatl flechettes. Don't do much against Marine armour though.



Page 155
..cone-mouthed maggots, the five war machines were cylindrical and fully twenty metres in diameter with a multitude of conical drills, laser cutters, melta borers and conversion beam augers mounted on their frontal sections.
Iron Warrior drilling rigs.



Page 161
A dart of blue-hot plasma seared out from Coltanis’ weapon and burned through another enemy warrior, his body flopping to the gorse in two barely connected halves.
Plasma weapon.



Page 167
"You now have access to a wide variety of visual spectra, heightened spatial awareness, a more efficient bolter-link targeting mechanism, and best of all, visual image capture and storage capability."
..
As he became more aware of his surroundings, he realised he was within the lower decks of Lex
Tredecim. The vehicle was moving, and his enhanced balance told him they were moving down at an angle of four degrees. No sooner had he formed the thought, than a stream of information scrolled into view on his right eye.

Three thousand five hundred and seven metres beneath mean surface level.

Local Positioning: Four Valleys Gorge. Accuracy level 94%.

Ambient External Temperature: 23 degrees Celcius.

Ambient External Light Level: 85 Lux.
...
Uriel shut off the stream of information with a thought, without even knowing he could. He knew the Four Valleys Gorge well enough. One of the largest underground vaults in this region of Calth, it was an artificially created compartment that linked to the Cavernas Draconi...
Uriel's new eye and its capabilities, and their depth belowground (EG kilometres.



Page 174-175
As rustic as Espandor’s inhabitants were sometimes perceived, Corinth gave the lie to that cliché, with many fine temples of silver marble, bathhouses, thriving markets and wondrous theatres.
..
..men daubed in colourful war paint and dressed in outlandish, garish costumes more suited to the Theatrica Imperialis than a field of battle.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only THEATRE.



Page 181
And that was the problem. Honsou paid scant regard for any doctrinal approach to warfare, fighting from the hip and with a frighteningly intuitive grasp of the nature of any combat. His situational awareness of the shape of a battle was unmatched, and he could read its ebbs and flows better than anyone Uriel had met. To know when to consolidate, to advance, to flank and when to gamble; these were the qualities most leaders of men had to learn in the bitter fires of bloodshed, but which Honsou possessed innately.

However Honsou gave battle, it would be in a manner none of them could foresee.
Wait, what? This is Honsou we're talking about, right? The dude has a positively mandalorian approach to warfare. The guy laid siege to a SPACE STATION for fuck's sake.



Page 182
Uriel looked at the sloping line of ugly blocks and realised with horror what the Iron Warriors were building.

“It’s a fortress wall,” he said. “They’re laying siege to us.”
You know, I like Uriel, but being horrified at realizing the Iron Warriors are going for... siege warfare is pretty silly. They lay siege to everything, including starforts.



Page 183
Her bodyguards had once been storm-troopers of the Jacintine Marauders, but had since been augmented with numerous bio-warfare implants to turn them into fearsome cybernetic killers. They had names, she presumed, but Suzaku knew them only by their call signs.
Augmneted soldiers. I wonder if this makes them a bit like the Lostock?



Page 184
In her more reflective moments, Suzaku was inclined to agree, but their prodigious psychic abilities were too useful to waste with mercy. Carefully controlled, the twins could read the twisting currents of the immaterium and warn of impending warp intrusion.
'Warp intrusion?' can't most psykers do that already?



Page 189
Tanks crashed through unmanned barricades and opened fire on Defence Auxilia positions with their main guns crashing back on recoil compensators.
I consider this important because we've never really known for sure whether 40K tanks have some sort of recoil-damping mechanisms or if they just bolted the damn guns straight to the tanks. Of course with the huge cannons and the absurdly tiny Russ turrets one wonders how far they could ever recoil back, but then again one wonders how the cannon can be loaded and still have a guy able to sit in the turret to begin with too.



Page 195
The holo-sphere lit up with traces of enemy movements and troop dispositions as Magos Locard processed the thousands of inputs he was receiving from the myriad augurs and surveyor equipment available to him through the surfaces of Lex Tredecim. A Capitol Imperialis was a vast network of command and control capabilities, but one crafted by the Adeptus Mechanicus was far more.

Equipped with machines designed to detect elements, wavelengths and physical phenomena far beyond anything required by the Imperial Guard, its sensor feeds would have overwhelmed such mortal strategos or military adjutants. Thirty multitasked servitors moved through the command bridge of Lex Tredecim, gathering information and feeding it directly into the holo-sphere.

Right now he was tracking the movement of the thousands of bastardised Praetorian battle servitors pouring over the makeshift fortress wall the Iron Warriors had erected.
AdMech CI capabilities. Better than what the IG has, but this may give us an idea of what a IG CI can do too.




Page 198
Hadrianus rolled onto his back and vaporised a screeching machine with a snap shot of his meltagun.
Some sort of daemon machine of unknown size or mass. Assuming something comparabel to an Astartes were probably tlaking hundred sor thousands of MJ for assuming iron.



Page 199
...Hadrianus, fitting a fresh power cell into his melta gun.
Apparently he does not have one of the 'pyrum-petrol' type meltas :P



Page 200
The 4th Company had once boasted four Dreadnoughts, but Brother Barkus had been lost on Espandor in the defence of Corinth.
number of Dreaddies in 4th company.



Page 200
Speritas mounted a vast flamer on one fist, its burner nozzle flickering with blue fire, while on the other was a crackling pneumatic hammer weapon capable of pounding its way through metres of adamantium in seconds.


Pneumatic hammer.



Page 201
the Black Basilica loom over the walls, its enormous bulk a deeper darkness than the bleakest night. Streaking shells arced overhead from those few Defence Auxilia artillery pieces that had survived the sorcerous lightning, but bursts of crimson lightning flared with every impact and obliterated each warhead without effect. Its frontal cannon thundered and a hundred-metre section of the defence line vanished in a blazing tsunami of fire.
The Black Basilica offensive and defensive capabilities.



Page 206-208
...his body had been augmented, up-armoured and weaponised thirty-six times. Little now remained of his original body, but he cared nothing for that. All that mattered was that he was bigger, faster, tougher and meaner...
...
They wore a riot of gleaming plates buckled over engorged musculature, with alien pelts and skulls adorning the shoulder guards of their armour.
...
Trejo’s steel jaw foamed with alchemical anger, the red mist of the berserker shackled to the rigidly logical thought processes of a Mechanicus warrior. For all its wildness, his was no rampaging mass of warriors. Mixed in with the skitarii were hundreds of Praetorians, tracked battle servitors armed with the deadliest weaponry known to the Martian Priesthood.
...
Banners telescoped from backpacks and a forest of firearms lowered towards the enemy, a mix of plasma weapons, rotary cannons and laser lances. Swords and axes blistering with blue light were unsheathed and implanted high-energy beamers unleashed a blizzard of energy and solid rounds that ripped through the Bloodborn in a murderous storm.
...
...Trejo’s enhanced tactical awareness immediately saw the weakest point of the new formation. He had no need to issue orders; a neural command unit linked his mind with the cortical subnet of every warrior in his force, and the fiercest warriors of his host smoothly moved into a lethal speartip the instant before they hammered home into the mass of enemy.

Stimm dispensers and adrenal shunts flooded their bodies with volatile chemical fuel, heightening aggression and reflex speed to levels almost the equal of the Adeptus Astartes.
...
...he shot another three dead with his shoulder-mounted plasma gun.

His sword plunged through the chest of another as his weaponised arm barked and cut down another handful with explosive rounds.
...
The dispenser on his other shoulder coughed a handful of grenades over the heads of the enemy in front of him, and he saw a pair of daemon engines vanish in a sheet of white-hot fire.
...
Trejo felt his reinforced ribs shatter. Pain balms flooded his system, not swiftly enough to spare him the agony of jagged metal puncturing his plasteel lung, but quick enough to keep him on his feet.
Skitarii and Praetorian servitors in action. The main things to note are their command and control coordination, the mix of weapons (including arm and shoulder mounted weapons, which all appear to act independently) and their enhanced fighting capabilities (particularily Astartes-levle reflexes.)



Page 208
Four blue-hot darts sawed through the machine’s body, and it blurted its mechanical death scream in a hash of binary. Scalding steam vented from the plasma gun and three of its coils exploded, bathing his shoulder in searing plasma.

His armour melted under the intolerable heat, and he staggered away from the machines as they came for him.
Skitarii plasma gun overload. Note how the weapon can either fire rapidly (and risk overheating) or space out its shots allowing the weapon to cool.



Page 208
..felt a sudden presence beside him. Only a split-second reading of its Imperial biometrics kept him from cutting it down with his sword.
...
..the multi-spectral grafts in his eyes saw the invisible electoos beneath the woman’s skin.
Skitarii iff recognition via biometrics, as well as multi-spectral eye augmetics and invisible electoos.




page 211
A berserker dropped, the side of his helmet blown off, but it was the last shot Uriel would get.
Bolt round to CSM berserker



Page 211
“Captain, the risk of collateral damage is high.”

“I know,” said Uriel. “But the Auxilia troops engaged with the Skulltakers are already lost. Death at our hands will be a blessing upon them.”
...
A handful of berserkers dropped, as did many of Calth’s defenders. It pained Uriel to give such an order. His whole life had been spent in the defence of humanity, but what he had told Nero was true; this was a far easier death than any the berserkers would offer.
This isn't Uriel going all cold and grimdark like the MArines Malevolent, this is him tempering his idealism with a certain measure of practicality. Besides which he does have a point, givne how Khornates react, a swift death is probably more merciful.



Page 212
His physique was massively out of proportion, twisted and ungainly, but incredibly powerful and enhanced by muscle boosters and a hissing, pneumatic lifter harness.
Agumentations to a gun loader.




Page 212
...he eased the gleaming belts of shells into the clattering feeder breech. Each shell was as long as Slav’s forearm...
I'd guess that maybe is 25-30mm ammo, with the casing.



Page 213
So vast was the door, that not even the enlightened Astartes who served the true gods could open it without specialised lifter equipment. Yet to Slav, lifting the door open was as effortless as breathing.
The augmented mutant gun loader is stronge rthan an Astartes. Gives you an idea of what an Imperial 'augmentd' loader might achieve. Or perhaps a servitor.



Page 213
Besides, the ammo elevator was grinding its way up the shaft, laden with fresh crates of copper-jacketed shells, highyield energy batteries and concentrated promethium canisters.
Basilica ammo.



Page 215
..the Black Basilica was no more than a hundred metres high, yet still he fell.
...
Bellowing furnaces roared and seethed with crimson light and the walls were lined from floor to ceiling, stretching for hundreds of metres above him in defiance of what logic told Shaan should be possible.
The Basiclia apparently has its own Chaos 'forges' inside itself, and the inside of the thing is much bigger than the outside. Due to Chaos.



Page 221
“Ach, these lads? They aren’t first generation,” said Pasanius kicking a dismembered corpse at Uriel’s feet, a warrior he didn’t remember killing. “They’re a founding from way down the line. Copies of copies of copies. You don’t dilute Astartes blood for thousands of years without seeing it become thin and weak.”

Uriel wanted to say that Pasanius was wrong, that the dead didn’t care whether they were killed by inferior copies of the first Astartes or the genuine article.

Sounds like something you'd hear from the Night Lords.



Page 221-222
Aethon Shaan leapt for the far wall of the Black Basilica, dispensing a magnetic charge from the dispenser on the upper surfaces of his gauntlet.
...
Enemy warriors fell and he launched more magnetised grenades from his gauntlet.
...
He launched a flurry of grenades deep into the depths of the ammunition racks...
Shaan's lightning claws seem to have some sort of built in grenade dispenser or launcher. We dont know whether he's throwing them or shooting them though.



Page 223
A soft static burr overlaid the battle imagery on the outside of the holo-sphere, noospheric data streams passing back and forth at incredible speeds between the skitarii, Praetorians and Lex Tredecim’s battle cogitators. Passing information in this manner allowed a level of coordination unimaginable to any other armed force in the Imperium. Locard processed the information in his hindbrain implants, but kept himself aloof from the myriad communications passing between the Praetorians and skitarii. Lingua-technis battle-cant was a robust, belligerent machine language and was painful to those unused to such primal binaric arrangements.
More on the AdMech C.I. Again this probably gives us some (broad) indicator of what an Imperial C.I. (and IG command and control) might be like, if not to this speed/scale/level. The AdMech version also is able to keep track of Astartes and Inquisitorial units actions, and probably the defence forces as well.



Page 224
The Raven Guard had finally appeared on the holo-sphere, on the Black Basilica of all places, but where else should he have thought to look save where he had least expected to see them?

“I should be quite interested in how you avoided detection,” he said, knowing the Raven Guard would never divulge such secrets.
Ravne Guard have means of evading Locard's detection, somehow. At least until they want to be spotted.



Page 227
Another grenade zipped from his gauntlet and burst in the air before them, felling those at the front with a scything blast of fragments.
Shann's gauntlet weapon again, seems like a launcher to me.

Page 227

Their bodies hadn’t even fallen when a spraying burst of las-fire pummelled his side. Pain flared as one particularly lucky shot struck the gap torn in his armour by the templar’s electro-whip. His skin burned and he felt the organ beneath cauterise.
A single lasbolt burns and 'cauterises' some unknown organ. Whether it was a natural or Astartes organ we don't know. It's clearly a thermal weapon, and probably a narrow beam diameter (a few cm, given its a crack made by a whip weapon) Its deep penetrating thermal radiation, deeper than most photon-based lasers would do without drilling a hole (more akin to particle radiation it would seem.)

Assumign the organi weighs tens or hundreds of grams, and a 100 degree increase in temp for human flesh (3500 J per kg*K) we might get as little as 7 KJ for 20 kj to 70 kj for 200 grams. If it were a large organ, or a greater. This IS a lower limit, as a larger organ (the size of a heart) or more likely a higher cauterization temp (say 200-250 K temp increase) would lead to more double/triple digit kj bolts.

We do know that its not a major organ so its either one that there is redundancy for (or is nnot immediately harmful) or one of the Astartes ones.



page 234-235
“Take off the uniform and he could be a citizen of Ultramar,” said Scipio.

“Empathising with the enemy, sergeant?” chuckled Helicas. “Never a good sign.”

“I’m not empathising, I’m lamenting,” said Scipio. “He could have been one of us, but he took a different road and now he’s dead.”

“Then he made poor life choices.”

“That he did,” agreed Scipio. “But I wonder was he corrupt from birth or did he grow to become a traitor? Where was that one moment when he decided that he was no longer a servant of the Emperor and pledged his life to the Ruinous Powers?”

“Does it matter?”

“I think it does, Helicas. To recognise that moment would allow us to prevent it.

The Bloodborn are damned beyond redemption, that much is certain, but how many others, right now, are teetering on the brink of loyalty and treachery? How many of these men were born evil, and how many were made evil by the worlds around them?”

“I’m just a line warrior, sergeant,” said Helicas. “It’s the job of captains and Chapter Masters to think like that.”

“It’s everyone’s job to think like that,” snapped Scipio. “Or at least it should be.”

He shook his head, seeing that Helicas didn’t understand. As a gunner and soldier Helicas was efficient and thorough but, by his own admission, he was no thinker.
...
Scipio felt ire and sadness blend in the forefront of his mind, and said, “An Astartes should be a thinker, for our bodies and minds have been crafted to be superior to mortals. It is a waste for any of us not to try and achieve our full potential as individuals. Isn’t that what Ultramar offers its inhabitants, a chance to better themselves and thrive in an environment that fosters productive people?”

The Thunderbolts turned their attention upon him, and Scipio warmed to his theme. “I have fought on hundreds of different worlds and seen a thousand different cultures. On the worst worlds, I was struck by the impossibility of change, of the wasted potential I saw in the abject poverty and desperation of the populace. The Imperium has billions of lives to spend in its betterment, but most people simply rot away in the forgotten reaches of ash-blown, oil-stained worlds of wretched despair. What chance do those people have? How many people are driven into the arms of the Archenemy by the grinding horror of their daily lives?”
I find myself in complete agreement.



Page 244-245
“I don’t know that either, not for sure, but when I saw you I knew I didn’t want to go back to the Iron Warriors.”
...
"It thinks like you, straight up and down, and no matter how much Honsou and Grendel fill its head with their talk of Chaos, it can’t escape what you gave it.”

“And what’s that?”

“Nobility,” said Vaanes, and Uriel saw the earnest need to be believed on the renegade’s face. “It wants to be better than it was created to be, but everything around it beats it and crushes any attempt it makes to lift its head out of the horror. If I’d thought about it at all, I’d have felt sorry for it, but I’ve seen the things it can do, and pity is the last thing the Newborn needs. It’s a monster, but it didn’t have to be.”

“And what about you?” asked Uriel. “Are you still a monster?”

“I don’t know, probably,” said Vaanes, nodding towards the tattoo on his shoulder. “But maybe not. I gouged that tattoo out a long time ago. But now it’s back. You tell me what that means.”
...
“What is it that you want, Vaanes?” said Uriel.

“I want to die,” said the renegade. “I’m not strong enough to walk the path of righteousness, and I won’t damn my soul to the warp. There’s no middle ground for the likes of me, so when this is done, promise you’ll kill me and I’ll show you where they’ve gone.”
You know, this conversation between Vaanes and Uriel reinforces to me that Vaanes was an under-used character. Had more time and effort been devoted to him, and perhaps to his relationship to the Newborn (as well as his interactions with Uriel) this might have had greater impact. Vaanes and the Newborn are both figures that, like the Unlfeshed, represented that 'redemption' angle from DSBS, and this book could have tapped into that and resolved it better. Particularily given Uriel's own maturation process through the series.

Besides we needed far less Honsou.



Page 249
“Mark your targets,” he shouted. “Ammo is scarce, so make every shot count.”

He fired and the corsair woman pitched backward, her shoulder and head vanishing in an explosion of bone fragments and red mist.
Bolter headsplosion.



Page 256
Shaped charges had blown the cleft wide enough for three Space Marines to walk abreast.
Shaped charges



Page 259
Coltanis held his fire until another hulking form threw itself through the doorway. The berserker died with half his torso missing as a blinding dart of plasma obliterated his body with a hiss of boiling blood and melting ceramite.
Plasma bolt melt/voils the upper body of a CSM. Assuming 50-100 kg of flesh for upper torso and around 40-50 kg of iron power armour, we're talking 13-27 MJ for the flesh, and 48-60 MJ for the armor. Probably not precise, but it might be tens of MJ for a plasma bolt.



Page 261
thousand shells a minute roared from each gun’s quad-mounted barrels, ripping great gouges in the enemy clustered around the tower.
ROF of quad barreled antiaircraft gun.



Page 265
He carried a melta gun and fired it into the mass of fighting warriors with a gleeful bellow of hate. A thunderclap of superheated air boomed in the midst of the battle, and two of the Firebrands fell with half their bodies blasted to stinking vapour.
(multi?) Melta gun vapes two Astartes in a single shot... Easily hundreds if not thousands of MJ if literally vaporize. If it doesn't.. Assuming 250 cm height (half that for upper bodies) x 100 cm body, both sides for each, and 400 j per sq cm flaying 'flash burns' we're talking 20 MJ.




Page 269
Uriel watched as the Mistress of the Blade dancers took the measure of his champion, her eyes widening in surprise.

“I am Petronius Nero,” said the swordsman. “You tried to kill my captain. Prepare to die.”
I dare someone to tell me that this isn't a deliberate reference.



Page 271
“No? Very well. I fight for myself,” said Vaanes. “I suppose that’s why I didn’t make a very good Astartes. I never felt it, you know? The brotherhood you need to be part of something bigger than yourself. Even surrounded by my battle-brothers I always felt alone.”
Again, I think Vaanes potential is being wasted.



Page 273
Fortunately Pasanius was one of those survivors, though the breastplate of his armour was now little more than molten scraps dripping ceramite to his skin. All the signs pointed to a direct hit from a melta gun, and that Pasanius was still alive spoke volumes of the sergeant’s legendary resilience.
I'd say a fair bit of it was from the fact Pasanius had bits of Terminator armour incorporated into his suit. Anyhow, figure maybe double digit MJ to melt the suit chestplate.



Page 277
Nivian held onto Scipio’s battered pistol and fired one-handed while Coltanis had replenished the energy cells of his plasma gun.
Plasma gun seemingly using energy cells (batteries?) rather than photohydrogen flasks.



Page 280
Two bolter shots broke the sepulchral hush of the tomb and a pair of explosions punched through the Newborn’s chest. Bloody craters big enough for an Astartes fist blew its body open, and Uriel could see Pasanius and a smoking bolter through the exit wounds.
Two (Astartes) fist sized holes straight through the body of the Newborn.



Page 280-281 Spoiler
“I’m sorry,” whispered Uriel, and rammed the dagger into the Newborn’s chest.
..
The Newborn howled and fell back, pulling itself off the blade.

It climbed to its feet and then dropped to its knees, clutching its head and screaming. Uriel felt its pain as a piercing ache in his head, knowing in that instant of connection it was reliving every degradation since its capture. The young boy he had been now saw the monster he had become, and its already fragile mind collapsed under the weight of shame and horror. The light oozing from its body vanished, and the regeneration of its wounds abruptly halted.

The child that had been Samuquan looked at Uriel and said, “Thank you,” It slumped onto its side, its legs curling up and hands folding inwards into a foetal position. Its eyes closed and a soft death rattle issued from its lips.
It doesn't quite have the impact for me the similar scene in the Killing Ground had, but it's close. I think if more time had been spent on the Newborn (and Vaanes, since the two of them are strongly tied together) and that 'memory' aspect Uriel had played a role much earlier on in the series, this might have been a stronger scene.


Page 283
He reached out, feeling the marble of the sarcophagus grow warm to the touch. A spectral mist oozed from the cracks in the stonework, pouring out as though a canister of blind gas was contained within.
..
A thunderous gunshot ripped through the sound of bolters, and an Iron Warrior vanished in a fiery explosion of ceramite and flesh. Louder than any boltgun, the shot had the weight and echo of something much larger. Another shot rang out, followed by another, and two more Iron Warriors disintegrated in bloody explosions.

A dozen shapes moved in the upper reaches of the tomb, obscured by the strange mist, yet with the unmistakable broad-shouldered bulk of Astartes. Uriel’s first thought was that these were Ultramarines reinforcements, but these half-glimpsed warriors were armoured in sable black ceramite, their plates bedecked in shimmering images of bones and skulls. The blue haze of the dome’s light made it hard to be certain, but Uriel swore that ethereal fire crackled around the feet of these warriors as they marched with funereal slowness down the tiered steps towards the battle.

Their guns fired again, hurling blazing comets from their barrels and leaving bright contrails in their wake. Each shot saw an Iron Warrior slain, and Uriel’s heart leapt as the tide of the battle had suddenly changed.
These are either the Legion of the Damned making an unidentified cameo, or the nearest Ultramarine equivalent.



Page 285
A giant figure in blue-black armour emerged from the smoke, a giant bearing a golden bolter and with an emerald cloak billowing behind it.

It fired once, and Honsou raised a warding arm as he was punched from his feet by the enormous impact. He slammed into the ground and skidded over onto his side. Blood poured from a great gouge torn in his chest. Uriel tried to get to his feet, but the pain was too great. The giant figure reached down and Uriel felt the heat of its nearness, as though the flames slowly appearing on the plates of his armour were those that had escaped the inferno raging within his flesh.

Uriel looked into the visor of this giant, seeing an azure light burning there that spoke of ancient heroism and noble deeds of valour beyond anything Uriel could comprehend. This warrior was unlike the others that had come to their aid, for his armour retained traces of its former allegiance, gold trims, a pale eagle on the shoulder and a faded, barely legible, inverted omega symbol. In the centre of the “U” was the symbol for a captain, but it was old, ancient even, a standard of rank insignia that had not been used for ten thousand years.
The Ultramarines equivalent of the LoTD. I guess the other guys weren't Smurf dead. The event is interesting for that sort of 'supernatural intervention' sort of thing oyu usually attribute to daemons.

Also HA HA to Honsou.



Page 287
Scipio hurled himself into the traitor Astartes, his sword chopping through a howling berserker’s breastplate as his pistol blew out another’s helmet.
bolt pistol headshot gainst helmeted Astartes.



page 288
Kaarja Salombar turned in a graceful somersault, firing her pistol as she pirouetted gracefully through the air. Two Ultramarines went down, molten craters where their faces used to be. Salombar’s pistol was of antique design, but fired lethal bolts of bright green energy.
MJ range somewhere depending on how much is melted and if its flesh or helmet.



Page 288
They were big, fast men, gene-bulked for strength and augmented for resilience.

Writhing tattoos covered every portion of their skin, and Scipio saw the rippling haze of energy fields clinging to their bodies.
"gene bulked' and augmented, with some sort of contour-following body shield.



Page 289
A bolt blew out the back of the corsair’s skull..
Bolt pistol headsplosion



Page 289
A searing plasma shot vaporised the torso of the second corsair...
Plasma bolt torso-vaporization. triple digit MJ for literal vaporization. Less literal? Single digit (1-2 MJ at least) if its simply blowing it apart.



Page 291-292
Scipio was amazed at the daring of the manoeuvre, but also the danger of it.

“What if you’d been wrong?” he asked, aware of the risk he was taking in second guessing his captain. “What if she’d been at Actium or Nova Ala or even Montiacum?”

Sicarius stepped close to Scipio, and he felt the simmering ire of his captain.

“The question is irrelevant, sergeant,” said Sicarius, taking the banner from him.

“I was not wrong, and I have won a great victory for the Second and the Ultramarines. That is all that matters, do you understand?”

Scipio’s face hardened. “Yes. It was a great victory, captain.”
Sicarius seems to have a gift for aggravating as well as inspiring those under his command, which matches Kyme's depiction. What happened was Scipio gave a signal to Sicarius to bring him down on the Chaos Leader, but Sicarius had guessed and had the Defence Auxilia already en route to the location he'd predicted, which is what Scipio is reacting to.



Page 295 Spoiler
“I hated Ardaric Vaanes,” said Shaan without looking up. “Every day I dreamed of seeing him brought back to face his crimes, but now that he’s dead I don’t feel anything. I… I feel sad. Why do I feel sad that a traitor’s dead?”
...
“Because in the end I do not think he died a traitor,” said Uriel. “I think he was Astartes once again.”

“Is that even possible?”

“I think so,” said Uriel, looking into the face of a man who had once fought beside him across the face of a daemon world in search of redemption. “I hope so.”
..
“Tell him Vaanes gave his life in the eternal fight against the Ruinous Powers,”
..
Shaan nodded and placed a hand on Vaanes’ chest and recited the words spoken by Apothecaries down the centuries over the bodies of the fallen.

“He that is dead, take from him the Chapter’s due.”
Again, as with the Newborn, things would have had much more impact had Vaanes death consisted of more buildup than a few short stories with Honsou and this novel, for the reasons I outlined. The ending itself is powerful, but the true potential comes as much from what came before as what it was (EG Lord of the Unfleshed.) Part of this stems frm teh weakness of DSBS but also from tying Vaanes to Honsou without really exploring him in any depth.)


Page 297
When Calgar was dead, M’kar knew that Honsou would need to be destroyed, for it had seen the power lurking in the half-breed’s heart, the potential that could be unleashed were he to attract the attentions of a daemonic patron.
You're.. kidding.. right? See this is why I don't take Honsou seriously. He's supposed to be some grand champion of Chaos, yet he acts like a spoiled five year old who doesn't get his way. And a dumb one at that.



Page 310
Two Ultramarines strike cruisers falling from the heavens like fire-wreathed comets.

Streamers of fire and molten metal trailed from the enormous vessels as they plunged headlong through the lower atmosphere. Their shields and hulls screamed in protest as forces they were never designed to endure threatened to tear them apart.
Strike cruisers making atmospheric reentry.



Page 312
With methodical, mathematical precision, he turned the formidable geostationary batteries and missile silos upon the enemy fleet at high anchor, destroying a dozen vessels in under an hour.

Led by the Vae Victus, the Imperial fleet that had rallied at Ultima Six-Eight surged back into the fight, and at the end of a six-hour battle, only a single enemy vessel escaped the carnage.
Geostationary defence platforms and launchers (again hinting at 500-600 km/s velocity) and hour/six hour long space battle.



Page 316
Across the Chapter, three hundred and forty-seven Ultramarines had fallen in battle with the armies of the Thrice Born.
Losses against Honsou's 'Grand Crusade'. really I can't say he accomplished much devastating or lasting - and much of it really wasn't by his hand. Again, he's more an annoyance than a threat.
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This novel also sets what I've come to think of as the Ultramarines pattern: we have a GREAT novel, a okay novel, and a Honsou novel. I use the tmer 'Honsou' novel because the novel is not precisely bad (or at least Chapter's Due was not horrible) but it has FUCKING HONSOU in it, and I fucking hate Honsou.
Although I think I dislike DSBS less than you do, I kind of have to agree with this. Nightbringer is up there with my favorite space marine novels of all time, and although I like Killing Ground significantly less, it was in my opinion uplifted somewhat by one character: Leodegarius. Even though he comes in, what, halfway through the book? I fucking love that guy and the way he and Uriel play off one another as contrasts, the pristine knight and the tarnished one.

Also I hated Courage and Honor. Fucking hated it. Hated, hated, hated it. The bits between Uriel and Learchus was okay, but fuuuuuuck that book for what it did to Pavonis and Shonai. I won't accept 'grimdark' as an explanation, no goddamnit fuck you for doing that.
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Kuja wrote:Although I think I dislike DSBS less than you do, I kind of have to agree with this. Nightbringer is up there with my favorite space marine novels of all time, and although I like Killing Ground significantly less, it was in my opinion uplifted somewhat by one character: Leodegarius. Even though he comes in, what, halfway through the book? I fucking love that guy and the way he and Uriel play off one another as contrasts, the pristine knight and the tarnished one.
The interactions with Leodegarius and Uriel are great, but I just feel that spiritually The Killing Ground is a return to the ideas presented in Nightbringer. Uriel is presented with a conflict he cannot simply shoot or chop his way out of. Its not an enemy he can beat in conventional, straightforward manner. Its something he has to out-think, or generally forces him to use that superhuman intellect he's been gifted with. TKG is better in some ways than NB in the sense its a very 'gray' novel.. originally you're presented the notion that the rebels were the bad guys, but then as the story develops you learn its much more complex than that. I'm not even sure there really was a 'bad' guy ultimately in TKG, its basically just a bunch of people who are victims of circumstance and anger and hatred. Its alot more subtle and complex as tragedy than 'lots of people get killed/planet dies/extra skulls' because it requires some imagination on my part.

I think thats one part why the Unfleshed (in DSBS OR TKG) really stand out with me, because its something that can be really evocative of tragedy in my own mind, and that's even what makes the ending so strong on a personal level, because you rarely see 40K evoke that kind of tragedy or vulnerablity or even just bittersweet sadness. I'd rank it in uniqueness right up there with 'The Last Church', in fact.


Also I hated Courage and Honor. Fucking hated it. Hated, hated, hated it. The bits between Uriel and Learchus was okay, but fuuuuuuck that book for what it did to Pavonis and Shonai. I won't accept 'grimdark' as an explanation, no goddamnit fuck you for doing that.
'Grimdark' is probably something that is always subjective. Tragedy is always tricky to do, because not everyone is going to react the same way to things. I mean something one person absolutely loves, the others will hate. I mean lots of people love Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns or Fulgrim, yet I can't stand those books :P In the case of Courage ad honour: I like the Smurfs, I like the Guard forces there (the Colonel just has so much charm), but I dislike the tau characters (I'm not a big fan of the way the Tau are handled as a rule in most novels, and I find the tau fandom rather irritating.) and I absolutely loathed Culla. Also, like I outlined above, I think the big problem is that the setup for events is just... weak. Its like the layout of the invasion in Storm of Iron or Iron Warrior.. it just feels like Graham contrived it so he could have his desired set-piece battle. 'Epic' warfare is one thing a great many 40K authors (Abnett, for example) does far better than GRaham.

That's always the risk with doing things like this, because its going to be taken so many ways. That may explain why they tend to go for the 'blunt' grimdark approach. Its got less depth and is generally more boring, but it probably has broader appeal.

Out of curiosity how do you feel about Warriors of Ultramar and The Chapter's Due?
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I haven't reread Warriors of Ultramar in a loooooong time, but I remember liking it though I thought it was rather milquetoast compared to Nightbringer. I remember being amused by actually having found a military scifi novel where the stereotypical in-over-his-head beurocrat actually turned out to be an asset rather than a liability. I liked the Mortifactors even though they were played off kind of as the stereotypical bad cop to the Ultramarines' good cop.

Chapter's Due...was just kind of a mess. I think my favorite bit was the subplot with Sicarius hunting the pirate chick and the part where Calgar slaps the shit out of M'kar. The rest was just kind of a ramble and it mostly felt like marking time.
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