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I came across this a few minutes ago:

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We were promised lots for the 50th Anniversary of Doctor Who. But half a season made last year, a one off special and the Christmas special have left some fans annoyed, disappointed and wanting more.

Well, there’s a big rumour that they are getting it.

And no, not just the Adventure In Time And Space making-of-the-first-episode drama. Nor the 50th Anniversary Convention. Nor the 50th Anniversary party hats.

At least I think there will be hats. There should be hats.

I’ve been hearing chatter about this particular rumour for some time. But it’s started to coalesce a little recently so I now feel more comfortable at least reporting on the rumour. I’m still missing anything remotely resembling proper details, such as a conformation from an official source, but still.

And the rumour is that we may be getting a whole host of Doctor Who episodes.

Not new ones, but episodes not seen anywhere since they were first broadcast.

We all know that through a series of cock ups, incompetence and lack of forethought, swathes of episodes of Doctor Who from the sixties were wiped by the BBC. Some episodes were found again, some were sold to other countries, some kept in people’s loft space, but over a hundred episodes of the show were missing, along with episodes, entire series even, of many other BBC shows.

What I’ve been hearing, and some of it is attributed to an eccentric engineer who worked for broadcasters across Africa with a taste for science fiction and a habit of taking things for “safe keeping”, is that the BBC have secured a large number of presumed-wiped episodes of early Doctor Who.

And there are lots. Lots and lots. Completed serials that we’ve only had incomplete before, full series that nothing existed of. Not everything. But heaps and heaps. Possibly even The Full Hartnell.

And come November, or before, we’ll get to see them.

Now promises of this kind have been made many times before. Sometimes they’ve come true, sometimes they have now. But I’m told to expect, among others, a full Evil Of The Daleks from 1967. Up till now, the BBC only had the second of seven episodes, after that film was found in a car boot sale.

There’s even the rumour that the much touted DVD set Regenerations out this month, with its previewed animation clip of the regeneration between the first and second Doctors is a bluff, and they now have the full The Tenth Planet in which the Doctor regenerated for the first time which will be released in this set. But that strikes me as wish-fulfillment too far. Would be very clever though.

I’m going to cross my fingers for the next five months. You just never know.

UPDATE: Shortly after posting, I received further confirmation of the details listed above from another, better connected source. I don’t think I need to cross my fingers quite so hard any more.
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Fury From The Deep would have my full attention. :D
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As neat as it would be, I don't see why we should put much stock in it.

"Eccentric engineer working in Africa has saved everything, and was waiting for the right moment to release it" just sounds like it was made for nerds to take and spread like crazy.
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Full Hartnell? If I had to choose, I'd take a Full Troughton. But that's just me.
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If they had full Hartnell I want to see the episodes which made up the Dalek Masterplan.

The eccentric engineer sounds a bit suspicious, but if I recall correctly some lost episodes have been found because the people who saved the episodes gave it to their children who didn't realise the significance of what they had.
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Although I would love it to be true, I doubt it.
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Sounds like bollocks, but let's run with it.

Tenth Planet (first Cyberman and last Hartnell), Evil of the Daleks (supposed to be brilliant), Web of Fear (Yeti on the London Underground, nuff said) and Ice Warriers (just because) would be my choice.
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Hillary wrote:Web of Fear (Yeti on the London Underground, nuff said)
Plus it was the first one with the Brig (albeit as a Colonel). I'd rather have Power of the Daleks than The Ice Warriors though - I consider it more important even than Tenth Planet 4.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Hillary wrote:Web of Fear (Yeti on the London Underground, nuff said)
Plus it was the first one with the Brig (albeit as a Colonel). I'd rather have Power of the Daleks than The Ice Warriors though - I consider it more important even than Tenth Planet 4.
Of course it was - even more important then.

I can see what you mean about Power, but I didn't want to wish for two Dalek stories and would take Evil first.
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I knew there were missing episodes of Who, but I thought it was on the order of 1 or 2 dozen. Are there really over a hundred missing episodes?!
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There's 27 incomplete stories, comprised of 106 missing episodes - plus a few Pertwee era episodes for which they're missing the colour copies, though I think they may have colorized them all by now.

If anything like this was going to be announced, IMHO it's far more likely that the Beeb will announce that they're going to fully reanimate every missing story than every episode suddenly turning up (especially since they destroyed that Christmas episode of The Daleks Masterplan without selling it to anyone abroad).
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CaptainChewbacca wrote:I knew there were missing episodes of Who, but I thought it was on the order of 1 or 2 dozen. Are there really over a hundred missing episodes?!
About half of the episodes from the early days did not survive. That actually means Dr. Who is unusually well-preserved. The BBC simply didn't care about preserving old shows back then, so they would regularly junk recordings to free up storage space. Most of the shows from the time don't exist at all

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There is an amusing twist in one case. In The Chase, the Doctor uses a space-time visulaiser to show Vicki a Beatles concert. Despite the concert being televised, the only surviving footage of it is the excerpt shown in that DW episode.
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That is an awesome story.

Thanks to you I started imagining the Doctor going back in time and saving the Beatles. :)

Anyway, it would be wonderful if they found a bunch of episodes.

Has anyone from the BBC denied it?
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DaveJB wrote: If anything like this was going to be announced, IMHO it's far more likely that the Beeb will announce that they're going to fully reanimate every missing story than every episode suddenly turning up.
Not an earthly - far, far too expensive. The BBC are struggling to fund the current show; there's no way it would authorise that sort of spend on the back catalogue.
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Update!

SourceUpdate:
BBC wrote:A number of early episodes of Doctor Who, which were believed to have been permanently lost, have been returned to the BBC.

BBC Worldwide is expected to confirm the find at a press conference in London later this week.

It follows weeks of speculation that some lost episodes had been located.

A total of 106 episodes featuring the first two actors to play the Doctor, William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton, are currently missing.

The BBC destroyed many of the sci-fi drama's original transmission tapes in the 1960s and 1970s.

However, the majority of the episodes had been transferred on to film for foreign broadcasters. It is often these prints found in other countries that are the source of retrieved episodes.
Tomb Of The Cybermen The Tomb Of The Cybermen was recovered more than 20 years ago

In 1991, all four instalments of the Patrick Troughton adventure The Tomb of the Cybermen were discovered in Hong Kong.

The latest find comes as Doctor Who celebrates its 50th birthday. A special episode featuring the current Doctor Matt Smith and his predecessor David Tennant will be shown on the programme's anniversary on 23 November.

A raft of other programming to celebrate the long-running drama was also recently announced by the BBC.

Details of how fans will be able to watch the recovered episodes are also expected to be revealed later this week.
Since it's the BBC itself reporting this, I'm encouraged.
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Great news. I hope their are a lot of them and that they get released soon.
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If this is indeed the cache rumoured earlier this year, then we might have the full Hartnell plus Evil of the Daleks, which would be utterly awesome.
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Something that big is still hard to believe.
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It is, but I am considerably more confident after the BBC post than I was before.
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I welcome the recovery of even one lost episode, anything more than that is a bonus.
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This is getting exciting now

Well, this is either a massive and extremely cruel prank or they really have found some.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:This is getting exciting now

Well, this is either a massive and extremely cruel prank or they really have found some.
So Jamie and Victoria so presumably mid 2nd Doctor. Most of that's missing so it could be any of half a dozen stories.

I hope its a complete story rather than scattershot episodes or parts of episodes.
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Over 100 long-lost Doctor Who episodes found by dedicated fans - in Ethiopia

Yeah, some people are getting their hopes up. If it's a small amount, I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of stuff from different stories, so we have artefacts of various actors/writers/directors/sets/other. Of course, that's me with my historian hat on.
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Last I heard there were 106 episodes still missing... if there really are over 100 re-discovered then almost all of the first three seasons will be restored (yay! I can get more Troughton!). Dare I hope they found them all?...

Nope, will wait until it's official.
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