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I'm sure somebody, somewhere, has already done this, but....here goes.

A Federation starship, having somehow gone back in time through Treknobabble-of-the-week, crash-lands on Earth in the not too distant future. The U.S. government sends their top man to get onboard and find out what's going on....and that man is Solid Snake.

His mission is simple: get to the bridge of the ship, and sabotage the controls so that it can't take off again. This will allow Marines to come in afterwards and seize the ship, where it will be sent off to Area 51 or something...pity about the surviving crewmembers.

So...what happens? :D
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Every red-shirt onboard will die.
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Easy, the ship is filled with people who wouldn't have a clue about military tactics even if they watched The World at War, read every war novel made and the SAS survival guide and then got taught by Green Berets.

Hell, Otacon could take them!
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Woo Snake on a feddie ship :)

I would finaly get to see snake Succeeding to get Big Boss Rating :)
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SOLID SNAKE VERSUS USS ENTERPRISE (NCC-1701E)

Inserted by helicopter, Snake enters the Enterprise unarmed. To his consternation, he finds no gun cameras, electrified floors, trapdoors, nerve gas ejectors or patrolling guards. In their place are a bunch of glorified renta-cops, system managers and planetary scientists, who have only three states of being:

1) Asleep in their quarters
2) Sitting at desks using touchscreens
3) Striding purposefully in straight lines down corridors, often in pairs

Stealth is the key to getting to the bridge. Consequently, Snake sticks to the ship's maintenance ducts for as long as feasible. Starfleet being what it is, there's bound to be some player-friendly... eeerr, I mean, helpful maps and diagrams etched onto the duct walls. Even if it's just stuff like the deck number, Snake can put together enough info in his mind to navigate the ship covertly, checking stuff out. When he's reasonably confident in the ship's procedures, Solid Snake exits the duct network, beats up a security guard to steal his phaser, then takes a turbolift directly to the bridge.
Snake stuns the officer at tactical, then ducks down behind the tactical console and dukes it out with the rest of the bridge crew, stunning them all, including Picard. Why is he stunning them? Because he doesn't know that's what he's doing; he thinks he's killing them. Their bodies all flash and vanish after a few seconds, anyway (except for Picard's...).
Snake is busily learning the computer's user interface when a turbolift arrives and Troi steps out. Seeing the carnage on the bridge and a mysterious intruder, her Commander's training snaps in and she takes charge of the situation. Snake tries fighting her on her own terms, but Troi knows exactly what he's going to do and where he is, because she's PSYCHIC!!! ("It's breaking continuity, but hell, Troi's never been allowed to kick this much ass before - give her a break!" - B&B) A tense battle ensues, and Snake's combat powers are tested to the full against this terrifying new foe until he finally stuns her. Or until the player susses out that Troi's reading his/her commands from the controller in port one, unplugs the joypad and plugs it into port two, leaving Troi slightly perplexed.
With the ship's controls confused beyond repair, Snake escapes from the scene in a Federation Dune Buggy. But Oh Shit! Picard and Data (who was curiously absent from the bridge scene) chase after him in a second buggy, intend on stunning the intruder and bringing him back to the E-E for questioning. But Oh Shit x2! - the guns on the Federation Dune Buggies only fire backwards, so all Snake has to do is drive astutely and keep the Feds behind him. Or burn ahead, screech to a halt, quickly jump in the back and gun dem bitches down.
The USMC then assault the Enterprise in a shitload of V-22s, and the whole caboodle is eventually shipped off to Area 51, or Shadow Moses Island, or Black Mesa. Snake has saved the world from something or other, again. The End (except you can now play the whole thing all over again with Snake in a tuxedo). [/i]
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He never gets into the ship. Unless we are to assume the ship has been torn open but in that case most of the crew is probably dead or very badly injured.

Even if he does the crew of the E-E do not have the same weakness that all of his other opponents had......very limited visual range.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:He never gets into the ship. Unless we are to assume the ship has been torn open but in that case most of the crew is probably dead or very badly injured.

Even if he does the crew of the E-E do not have the same weakness that all of his other opponents had......very limited visual range.
Visual range? When did feddies use their eyes?

Snake just need to put (technobabblename) or magnet for you and me in his pocket.

That would fuck up the tricoders and other sensors really bad.

Now he can walk around and to those cool ambushes from corner while holding a stinger. (I love doing that)

Snake would just rule that stupid ship
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Faram wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:He never gets into the ship. Unless we are to assume the ship has been torn open but in that case most of the crew is probably dead or very badly injured.

Even if he does the crew of the E-E do not have the same weakness that all of his other opponents had......very limited visual range.
Visual range? When did feddies use their eyes?

Snake just need to put (technobabblename) or magnet for you and me in his pocket.

That would fuck up the tricoders and other sensors really bad.

Now he can walk around and to those cool ambushes from corner while holding a stinger. (I love doing that)

Snake would just rule that stupid ship
Lets see....when did UFP personel use their eyes? Oh yes...every episode. When did they not use their eyes? In fact...when did they ever show the same visual handicap as the soldiers from Metal Gear?

OH I see give Snake something that would give him a chance....I guess that means he really couldn't do it unless he has some sort of technobabbly aiding him.

I love the game to.........but lets be real here. Snake would not stand much of a chance against a UFP crew.
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Given that this is K-Sith going on, I'm inclined automatically to go for Snake.

Here's what realy happens:

A top-secret stealth craft deposits him on the Enterprise E's hull. A few quick C-12 charges later, and Snake's through a formerly force-fielded window, after the room's air clears out. He ducks behind a bookscase, and when the local shelds come back on, a few redshirts sweep into the room to investigate. He stuns them both, then puts on the uniform of one of them.

Shocked to find that the bloody Feds put an interactive map to guide hm anyplace, he quickly scopes out 10-forward. He ambushe sand knocks out Riker, Ro Laren, and Worf.

But then he's caught by troi. He quickly shoots her with a dartgun, but she's activated her comlink. Security will be present soon. He picks up her body, and yells lie awildman to ATTRACT the guards, sending them off with some technobabbly about an alien energy entity. Then he dumps her body off in his safe room, stripping her com badge off and throwing it down the toilet (C'mon, they have to have one).

Having learned of Data from overhearing some conversation at 10-forward, he steals some experimental EMP weaponry (which will mysteriously never appear again despite being monstrously effective and very cool). Then he goes to the bridge. He chuck s few grenades off, then proceeds to shoot up all the redshirts that are standing around. Picard gets a dart, as does the pilot of the day, snce they may have valuable info. He straps some small explosives to the control consoles, and leaves by the emergency transport tube. He does the same on the battle bridge, then heads down to main engineering. After doing all this, he leaves a few "presents" for Geordi by way of taking out the phaser and torpedo control arrays., and then hijacks a shuttle back to earth.

The Marines find no organized resistance.
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Yeah, see, the problem with the Federation trying to stop Snake is their utter incompetence as far as security protocols go. After facing down trained commandos fully loaded with assault rifles, grenades, and such, what chance do the poorly-trained and equipped Federation troops have? He wouldn't even need to exploit the 'poor eyesight' gameplay shtick; just sneak up on a redshirt and snap his neck. Easy as pie.

Truth be told, I only started this topic for amusement value. :lol:
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Yes I'm guessing,
LOOK OUT TROI IS POSSED BY A EVIL ALIEN ENERGY ENTINE would work real well considering the number and amount of personel who have had that happend to them
And before can shout wait He's the Intruder she's stuned and he stuns the red shirts, Then he graps one runs in the general direction of sick bay all the while point back and screaming about that evil Alien Entite :D

God I REALY wish B&B would get very stoned one day and acutal make this happen on ST

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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Faram wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:He never gets into the ship. Unless we are to assume the ship has been torn open but in that case most of the crew is probably dead or very badly injured.

Even if he does the crew of the E-E do not have the same weakness that all of his other opponents had......very limited visual range.
Visual range? When did feddies use their eyes?

Snake just need to put (technobabblename) or magnet for you and me in his pocket.

That would fuck up the tricoders and other sensors really bad.

Now he can walk around and to those cool ambushes from corner while holding a stinger. (I love doing that)

Snake would just rule that stupid ship
Lets see....when did UFP personel use their eyes? Oh yes...every episode. When did they not use their eyes? In fact...when did they ever show the same visual handicap as the soldiers from Metal Gear?

OH I see give Snake something that would give him a chance....I guess that means he really couldn't do it unless he has some sort of technobabbly aiding him.

I love the game to.........but lets be real here. Snake would not stand much of a chance against a UFP crew.
Hmm

Feddies don’t have quite as bad eyesight as Snakes normal enemies, but really what does that have to do with anything?

He sneaks up behind a feddie and breaks his neck. Easy kill snake gets one more cig and smokes on until he finds the next goon to kill

He has his uber kewl soliton-radar and don’t need to peek around corners and stuff, just wait until they pass him and use socom in 1st person wiev to get a clean head shot.


Or he can just fire of a couple of nikitas and steer em up throug the Jefferies tubes to whatever needs blowing up (bridge, engineering, sickbay...) The possibilities are endless.
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Yes, i agree. I would rule that damn ship. I would put a bullet through Captain Picard's head, then all the other bridge crew. Somehow, I would find that the Feddies are toying with Metal Gear, only as a interstellar first strike weapon with a planet-killing <technobabble> warhead. I take pictures of that mo-fo, then post it on the internet to discredit the Federation Government in front of the rest of the Galaxy.
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Smiling Bandit wrote:Given that this is K-Sith going on, I'm inclined automatically to go for Snake.
Right.... :roll: Just out of curiousity have we debated before?
Here's what realy happens:

A top-secret stealth craft deposits him on the Enterprise E's hull. A few quick C-12 charges later, and Snake's through a formerly force-fielded window, after the room's air clears out. He ducks behind a bookscase, and when the local shelds come back on, a few redshirts sweep into the room to investigate. He stuns them both, then puts on the uniform of one of them.
So C-12(C4?) will be able to breach a forcefield? How did you come to this conclusion? What makes you think this "top-secret steath craft"..that IIRC has never been in any Metal Gear will be undetectable to UFP sensors?
Shocked to find that the bloody Feds put an interactive map to guide hm anyplace, he quickly scopes out 10-forward. He ambushe sand knocks out Riker, Ro Laren, and Worf.
Okay.......why would he go to Ten Forward?
But then he's caught by troi. He quickly shoots her with a dartgun, but she's activated her comlink. Security will be present soon. He picks up her body, and yells lie awildman to ATTRACT the guards, sending them off with some technobabbly about an alien energy entity. Then he dumps her body off in his safe room, stripping her com badge off and throwing it down the toilet (C'mon, they have to have one).
This is assuming that he isn't caught at his entry point.....which he most likely will be because he can't hide from the internal sensors. Think of it this way.....imagine those cameras with the limited visual arc that snake hides from....think of the internal sensors, and tricorders as one giant camera with 100% coverage of the ship.
Having learned of Data from overhearing some conversation at 10-forward, he steals some experimental EMP weaponry (which will mysteriously never appear again despite being monstrously effective and very cool). Then he goes to the bridge. He chuck s few grenades off, then proceeds to shoot up all the redshirts that are standing around. Picard gets a dart, as does the pilot of the day, snce they may have valuable info. He straps some small explosives to the control consoles, and leaves by the emergency transport tube. He does the same on the battle bridge, then heads down to main engineering. After doing all this, he leaves a few "presents" for Geordi by way of taking out the phaser and torpedo control arrays., and then hijacks a shuttle back to earth.
How convient.....experimental EMP tech...hell why don't you just give him a phaser, the command codes, and the know-how to beam the entire crew into a giant holding cell that FOXHOUND built for just this occasion. BTW IIRC Data is shielded from EMP blasts.

The Marines find no organized resistance.
The Marines......like Snake find no way into the Enterprise.
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Wow, I'm impressed someone expresses confidence in the UFP. Okay, kids, let's look at this, one train-wreck of a statement at a time.
So C-12(C4?) will be able to breach a forcefield? How did you come to this conclusion? What makes you think this "top-secret steath craft"..that IIRC has never been in any Metal Gear will be undetectable to UFP sensors?
I'll leave the honorable Locke's statement about the stealth ship alone, as that was his decision to include in the scenario. However, the C4 bears mentioning, to which I must tell KS:

RTFW. Read The Fucking Website.

Season 5, Episode #115. Riker states that a "concussive charge" would be able to blow out the security forcefield; they then proceed with this plan.

I'll continue in further posts. :D
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Ryoga wrote:Wow, I'm impressed someone expresses confidence in the UFP. Okay, kids, let's look at this, one train-wreck of a statement at a time.
More like annoyance with the belief that everything can board the E-E with no problem and manage to kill, or knock out the crew.
I'll leave the honorable Locke's statement about the stealth ship alone, as that was his decision to include in the scenario. However, the C4 bears mentioning, to which I must tell KS:

RTFW. Read The Fucking Website.

Season 5, Episode #115. Riker states that a "concussive charge" would be able to blow out the security forcefield; they then proceed with this plan.

I'll continue in further posts. :D
The episode you are refering to is called "Power Play". Now the "Be Like Mike" attitude is amusing....but it seems only he can use it properly....kinda like the One Ring and Sauron everyone else just looks silly.

I know of this "concussive charge" but that's it.....we don't know how powerful. If you want to say that any concussive charge can breach of forcefield on the Enterprise, than what is so wrong with saying that the navigation deflectors can block any laser no matter how powerful? Just making you think.......
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Ryoga wrote:
I know of this "concussive charge" but that's it.....we don't know how powerful. If you want to say that any concussive charge can breach of forcefield on the Enterprise, than what is so wrong with saying that the navigation deflectors can block any laser no matter how powerful? Just making you think.......
If the blast didn't cause the whole corridor to be vaped or even blown apart, then it wasn't something that we couldn't do today. I doubt they were going to use a photon grendade in the middle of their own ship.
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Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Ryoga wrote:
I know of this "concussive charge" but that's it.....we don't know how powerful. If you want to say that any concussive charge can breach of forcefield on the Enterprise, than what is so wrong with saying that the navigation deflectors can block any laser no matter how powerful? Just making you think.......
If the blast didn't cause the whole corridor to be vaped or even blown apart, then it wasn't something that we couldn't do today. I doubt they were going to use a photon grendade in the middle of their own ship.
That's the whole point, we simply do not know. Maybe Riker was refering to Photon Grenades, maybe he was refering to something that had the explosive effects of a Black Cat firecracker....

It's still the same logic....concussive charge yield is not limited to a block of C4, and lasers are not limited to a certain yield either.
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One more thing AV....they never tried. If they would have tried and it demonstrated the explosive effects of a grenade then I wouldn't be here debating it.
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Ryoga wrote:Wow, I'm impressed someone expresses confidence in the UFP. Okay, kids, let's look at this, one train-wreck of a statement at a time.
More like annoyance with the belief that everything can board the E-E with no problem and manage to kill, or knock out the crew.
That belief is not without precident, you know.
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Imperial Federation wrote:
Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Ryoga wrote:Wow, I'm impressed someone expresses confidence in the UFP. Okay, kids, let's look at this, one train-wreck of a statement at a time.
More like annoyance with the belief that everything can board the E-E with no problem and manage to kill, or knock out the crew.
That belief is not without precident, you know.
In some things yes....but the actions of one Captain, one ensign, or some guy seem to generalize all of starfleet.

Example.....many people feel that all UFP captains are pussies. This is because of Picard who feels he needs to settle things diplomatically even though his ship is falling apart......and because of his actions every starfleet captain seems to carry that title.

However, if you look at Kirk, and Sisko they are far from that type.

Same thing pretty much applies to all of these beliefs. I wonder if I could find a redshirt or two that kicked ass......
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Right.... Just out of curiousity have we debated before?
No, but I'm no fan of your debate logic.
So C-12(C4?) will be able to breach a forcefield? How did you come to this conclusion? What makes you think this "top-secret steath craft"..that IIRC has never been in any Metal Gear will be undetectable to UFP sensors?
Simply put, the sensors can't detect anything unless someone is looking for it. Half the episodes involve something that a good paging sysytem should have notified the crew about.
Okay.......why would he go to Ten Forward?
Simple. Information.

The internal sennsors are sucky. They can't detect asnything unless they look for it specifically. In any event, not everyone onboard may be wearing comms, so that won't stand out. He's just a normal human and won't show up as anything special.
How convient.....experimental EMP tech...hell why don't you just give him a phaser, the command codes, and the know-how to beam the entire crew into a giant holding cell that FOXHOUND built for just this occasion. BTW IIRC Data is shielded from EMP blasts.
Fine, then he sneaks up and shoots the bastard. I was joking about the show, you evidentally do not understand this. In truth though, it was simply because EMP weaponry tech may not be too far off now. And since they haven't come up with a good reason it wouldn't work...

Also, Snake can get a phaser fairly easily. He wacks a guard and takes it.

In any event, data is hardly shielded enough. His circuits appear to be open and exposed under his scalp. And even if he is protected somewhat, enough EMP will get through.
The Marines......like Snake find no way into the Enterprise.
Why not?

Since it appears that you have a problem with the concept of humor and assumption for the sake of assumtion, I will point out something... if you are going to have a decent vs. battle, a few things must be understood by both sides. The first is that both sides are allowed into the battle. I.E., if you are having a battle to the death between a hummingbird and a bluegill, you are not allowed to say it takes place on land and so the bluegill always loses.

Likewise, if we are having the scenario that Solid Snake is onboard the Enterprise, its a little unfair to assume he cannot get on it. n any event, Metal gear tech is far beyond anythng the Federation forces ever fielded on the ground. They may have sufficient tech to create a high-orbit stealth plane. Since Federation sensors are completely ludicrous (they seem to work effectively only when someone is next to the console looking for something), there is a good chance it will work.

As for you contention that the shields would prevent him from getting on, I must pint out that they never stopped a huge alien whale baby from grabbing the Enterprise, nor have they stopped a small Jem'Hadar ship from reaching it. We have not seen any small objects try to enter, but since Picard and Worf did go to attack Borg outside the E-E, we can conclude that there are even airlocks (though I ignored this since Snake might not be able to locate one quickly). There appear to be little defense against non-energy attacks. We certainly have not seen anything specifically saying this could NOT happen, and what evidence there is supports the idea that Snake could get in.

Note that C-12 was a reference to Shadowrun, and its very comical explosive system which states, in effect, that you can take 12 kilos (!) of high explosive, supposedly much stronger than C-4, and stand 12 meters away, and will not come to any harm. Note that my alias is also from that game. :)
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Right.... Just out of curiousity have we debated before?
No, but I'm no fan of your debate logic.
I see...fair enough. Though just out of curiousity where do I need improvement, and be specific.
Simply put, the sensors can't detect anything unless someone is looking for it. Half the episodes involve something that a good paging sysytem should have notified the crew about.
I seem to remember a paging system at Worfs console that beeps in a different tone when there are intruders aboard....though I could be wrong. Could you name a specific episode.

Note that the Borg are a special case, and IIRC so was Rouge Danar(sp?) just because those two could invade the internal sensors doesn't mean Snake...who has never demonstrated such an ability will be able to. Now if he has the stealth suit.....that is a different story.
Simple. Information.

The internal sennsors are sucky. They can't detect asnything unless they look for it specifically. In any event, not everyone onboard may be wearing comms, so that won't stand out. He's just a normal human and won't show up as anything special.
Hmmm could you site the episode please.
Fine, then he sneaks up and shoots the bastard. I was joking about the show, you evidentally do not understand this. In truth though, it was simply because EMP weaponry tech may not be too far off now. And since they haven't come up with a good reason it wouldn't work...
Im sorry Bandit....it just wasn't funny to me.
Also, Snake can get a phaser fairly easily. He wacks a guard and takes it.
Okay fine...and the computer deactivates it. The computer has the ability to do that refer to TNG "A Matter of Time"
In any event, data is hardly shielded enough. His circuits appear to be open and exposed under his scalp. And even if he is protected somewhat, enough EMP will get through.
But will that EMP weapon be enough?
Why not?

Since it appears that you have a problem with the concept of humor and assumption for the sake of assumtion, I will point out something... if you are going to have a decent vs. battle, a few things must be understood by both sides. The first is that both sides are allowed into the battle. I.E., if you are having a battle to the death between a hummingbird and a bluegill, you are not allowed to say it takes place on land and so the bluegill always loses.
Once again.....I just don't find what you said funny. Though I am forced to agree with you in order for this debate to work Snake would have to find a way into the E-E.
Likewise, if we are having the scenario that Solid Snake is onboard the Enterprise, its a little unfair to assume he cannot get on it. n any event, Metal gear tech is far beyond anythng the Federation forces ever fielded on the ground. They may have sufficient tech to create a high-orbit stealth plane. Since Federation sensors are completely ludicrous (they seem to work effectively only when someone is next to the console looking for something), there is a good chance it will work.
Agreed.

The sensors seem to work just fine. When a craft is in range with the E-D the sensors beep a warning.

As for you contention that the shields would prevent him from getting on, I must pint out that they never stopped a huge alien whale baby from grabbing the Enterprise, nor have they stopped a small Jem'Hadar ship from reaching it. We have not seen any small objects try to enter, but since Picard and Worf did go to attack Borg outside the E-E, we can conclude that there are even airlocks (though I ignored this since Snake might not be able to locate one quickly). There appear to be little defense against non-energy attacks. We certainly have not seen anything specifically saying this could NOT happen, and what evidence there is supports the idea that Snake could get in.
IIRC they let the baby suckle from the fusion reactors.....they just didn't know it was going to nearly drain them completely.

I don't recall a small Jem'Hadar ship reaching the E-D ever. Perhaps you are refering to DS9 "Jem'Hadar. IIRC the captain of the Odyessy lowered the shield and diverted it to weapons because the shields were not blocking the phased poleron beams that the Dominion used.
Note that C-12 was a reference to Shadowrun, and its very comical explosive system which states, in effect, that you can take 12 kilos (!) of high explosive, supposedly much stronger than C-4, and stand 12 meters away, and will not come to any harm. Note that my alias is also from that game. :)
Sadly I missed out on that game. I've only played MGS, and MGS2. Both excellent games though the ending kinda sucked in a way.
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can Snake have his stealth camo & his infinite ammo bandana?
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master_yoda wrote:can Snake have his stealth camo & his infinite ammo bandana?
I wouldn't be surprised if he brought the Stealth Suit along actually. Snake knows what he is doing and he knows the mission includes infilitrating a starship with technology possibily far more advanced.......every edge will help.

As for his infinite ammo.......can the E-E crew main characters....Picard, ect....get character shields?
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