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By an act of some random omnipotent deity, the being known as the God-Emperor of Mankind in WH40k is set in various sci-fi universes charged with the task of protecting the whole of mankind of each respective, notwithstanding the method and means by which he goes about accomplishing that. The Emperor may either directly interfere in the affairs of the local factions of each universe if he so deems it necessary, or he may sit it out and slowly influence behaviors or goals from afar.

The universes into which the God-Emperor will be thrown are the following below:
  • 1. Star Wars, during the time of the AOTC-era Galactic Republic
    2. Star Trek, at the beginning of the TNG-era Federation
    3. Dahakverse, right before Colin MacIntyre finds out that the moon is actually a giant battleship
    4. Xeeleeverse, in the middle of the war between humanity and the Xeelee
    5. Foundationverse, just as the Galactic Empire is about to launch an invasion of the Foundation
    6. Independence Day, just as the aliens invade Earth.
    7. Andromedaverse, during the time of the Nietzschean Rebellion.
The Emperor has all his normal abilities while in each of these universes. What do you folks reckon that the Emperor will do to achieve his mandate?
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Ahem. Is this the God-Emperor as of 30000 AD, or as of 40000 AD? If the latter, what's the condition of his life support system- is it in good shape or bad shape?
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Considering for most of the series History the God-Emperor is a paraplegic, one-armed mostly corpse remaining only faintly technically alive through the most advanced life-support machine ever designed and mass sacrifice of psykers? He dies. Probably fairly quickly.

Or do you mean the Heresy-era guy? He probably blends in (he was doing it for millennia before stepping forward as the Emperor) to figure what's going on, then tries to ensure mankind's survival in the same way as before, by uniting it under the banner of Imperium and killing or more subtly dominating the xenos.

Or he figures mankind is doing just fine without him and quietly lives his immortal life in the background, but that's hardly good fodder for discussion, is it?

1.) He blends in, takes stock of the situation and ultimately hijacks Palapatine's plan for a Galactic Empire. Palpatine is clever, but the HH Emperr is very clever too, and far more experienced and personally powerful. Will probably suspect the Jedi of being psykers, but simple observation should convince him otherwise soon enough.

2.) Probably blends in to the background, may do some secretive things to help humanity stay on top, Section 31 style.

3.) The Emperor probably wouldn't participate in the events of the first book, though he'd be intrigued by some of the news reports. Once the Achuultani Menace is made public, he'd likely take an active leadership role and help Horus unite humanity in fortifying Earth. Once Colin returns as the Emperor of Man, it's probably a good time for Empy to slide back into obscurity, content with the bright path the future holds in the Dahakverse. Or he decides as humanity did in the history he remembers that AI is a deadly threat t all humanity and tries to destroy Dahak.

4.) I know just a tiny bit about this series, not enough to really comment.

5.) Join the Empire as a dashing young general, enact coup and bring the Foundation to heel. Unite the Galaxy in a glorious crusade, and confuse the hell out of the Second Foundation.

6.) Kill the xenos.

7.) Take over the Commonwealth.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Ahem. Is this the God-Emperor as of 30000 AD, or as of 40000 AD? If the latter, what's the condition of his life support system- is it in good shape or bad shape?
Definitely the God-Emperor of the 31st millennium.... The corpse-god Emprah wouldn't last long without his Throne.
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Thing is, in most of those settings (I hesitate to say all because I'm not familiar with Dahak, Xeelee or Foundation) the Emperor has a far easier job because he is not having to deal with the Chaos gods. Since he was described as being on a par with them and able to counterbalance their schemes to dominate everything, I think he's going to be one of the most powerful beings in the setting, with a major cause of concern for him out the damn window.

1. Given how powerful a psyker he is, I suspect he would have no trouble learning that Palpatine is a powerful individual. Since Palpatines plans are not exactly dissimilar with his own (worryingly enough for us Imperial Loyalists) he would probably try to either replace Palpatine with himself or use Palpatine as a puppet (willing or otherwise). Perhaps the best way would be to kill Anakin and take his place as Sidious's desired apprentice, then immediately kill Sidious.

2. I think the Emperor would look at the Federation, especially the TNG federation and consider it the worst thing he's ever seen (except maybe the Commonwealth). I can see an Emperor-led coup taking place and new technology appearing to make the new proto-Imperium by far the most powerful faction. In other words, make the Federation into the Terran Empire. Although how he would react to the Q I have no idea, but I would pay money to see it.

6. Kill the xenos. However, this is one situation where I'm not sure how useful he'd be. At least in the other settings I've commented on both sides have comparable technology, here its not the case. And I really doubt the Emperor would fit in an F/A-18, so I can't see him helping in the final battle. Unless he manages to board the mothership and just goes on a rampage.

7. This is the universe he would probably be most interested in, since it's the only one with at least a rudimentary Chaos God, that Spirit of the Abyss thing. I think he might actually side with the Nietzcheans, since they're upgraded humans. Thus we may end up with a Nieztchean Empire, but without the excesses described by Harper. This Empire will then proceed to try and purge the Magog from existence. How they would deal with the worldship I have no idea but it would be interesting to see.
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Boeing 757 wrote:6. Independence Day, just as the aliens invade Earth.
Being telepaths, I imagine the aliens leave rather quickly. I think they'd have a collective "Oh shit" moment when they notice the planet they invaded belongs to a much bigger telepath who hates aliens.
Eternal_Freedom wrote:6. Kill the xenos. However, this is one situation where I'm not sure how useful he'd be. At least in the other settings I've commented on both sides have comparable technology, here its not the case. And I really doubt the Emperor would fit in an F/A-18, so I can't see him helping in the final battle. Unless he manages to board the mothership and just goes on a rampage.
Considering that your run-of-the-mill Librarian can do things like teleport, create force fields and tear holes in reality, the most powerful psyker ever born is going to cause trouble even if he can't fit in a fighter jet.
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Ahriman238 wrote:1.) He blends in, takes stock of the situation and ultimately hijacks Palapatine's plan for a Galactic Empire. Palpatine is clever, but the HH Emperr is very clever too, and far more experienced and personally powerful. Will probably suspect the Jedi of being psykers, but simple observation should convince him otherwise soon enough.
Alternatively, he tries to co-opt the Jedi, since they are a very disciplined bunch of psychics and might be useful.

The total ban on psykers that the Emperor came down with comes out of the context of excessive use of sorcery and psychic power in the 30k setting; the Jedi just don't abuse it that hard.
5.) Join the Empire as a dashing young general, enact coup and bring the Foundation to heel. Unite the Galaxy in a glorious crusade, and confuse the hell out of the Second Foundation.
He'd probably throw them completely for a loop- the Mule was bad enough, but the God-Emperor makes him look like a wet firecracker. But yeah, the God-Emperor probably could revitalize the collapsing Empire of the Foundation setting, though it might take him centuries to do so.

His first big problem would be reversing the technological decay; he might actually seek to coopt the Foundation to serve the same role he used the Adeptus Mechanicus of Mars for in his home universe.
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I don't think there is any probably about it. This is a person who is said to be on par with the gods of Chaos placed in a setting where there is no warp and its dangers to limit him from using his full powers at will.
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uuh those ID aliens would bite it hard against Big E. IM thinking something along the lines of mass genocide by sheere psychic/telephatic might. Then the salvage teams come and salvage the big alien ships and take their technology.
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Being telepaths, I imagine the aliens leave rather quickly. I think they'd have a collective "Oh shit" moment when they notice the planet they invaded belongs to a much bigger telepath who hates aliens.
They would get mentally raped by the big E, like they tried to do to the US President in Area 51 only a hundred times stronger.
And I really doubt the Emperor would fit in an F/A-18,
Why not? Yes he's actually rather massive in his battle armor, but I always thought he was a normal-sized human without it. (I might be wrong, never really got into 40k here).
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Borgholio wrote:Why not? Yes he's actually rather massive in his battle armor, but I always thought he was a normal-sized human without it. (I might be wrong, never really got into 40k here).
I'm pretty sure I've read figures stating the Emp is (or was) around 9-10 feet tall. However many short stories never actually state it outright but suggest that he is the size of a normal man if some what taller than average e.g. around 6 1/2 feet.

So unless someone who has better memory or knowledge on the subject can fill us in on this I'm leaning toward "slightly taller than average".
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well tbh the Horus Heresy books seem to imply that the emperor is as tall as he wants to (with in some limits), with the 9-10 ft. form being "imperial" form and may or may not be in fact a physic projection.
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Pretty much, Empy is as big as he wants. Remember he spent tens of millennia blending in among humanity as an immortal, which would be tricky to accomplish if he were 10-feet of masculine perfection with a halo.
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Grumman wrote:[
Eternal_Freedom wrote:6. Kill the xenos. However, this is one situation where I'm not sure how useful he'd be. At least in the other settings I've commented on both sides have comparable technology, here its not the case. And I really doubt the Emperor would fit in an F/A-18, so I can't see him helping in the final battle. Unless he manages to board the mothership and just goes on a rampage.
Considering that your run-of-the-mill Librarian can do things like teleport, create force fields and tear holes in reality, the most powerful psyker ever born is going to cause trouble even if he can't fit in a fighter jet.
That's certainly true. I figured that it's the only setting with a huge tech imbalance and an immediate threat of overwhelming force.

That raises another point though...there are no Chaos Gods in these other universes, but is there still the Warp? If there isn't, then the Big E's psychic powers are of no use.
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I would expect psychic powers to translate from setting to setting even if the Warp doesn't work the way it does in 40k. If a setting has psychics it seems reasonable that psychic powers can work in that setting, even if that doesn't mean that there's a vast parallel dimension of emotional innerspace that ships can sail through, inhabited by demons and spirits.
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Boeing 757 wrote:
The Emperor has all his normal abilities while in each of these universes. What do you folks reckon that the Emperor will do to achieve his mandate?
Judging by that, I assume his powers would work.
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Even if the warp was the full basis of the Emperor's powers, he could simply "translate" to the powers of the local universe.

Star Trek - He can become an extremely powerful telepath.
Star Wars - Extremely powerful Force-user

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Fair enough. I wonder what he would make of Q, since he's as close as Star Trek comes to Tzeentch.
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Also there's the thing which we discussed during the "Jedi in MK" thread, what's the point of putting the God-Emperor of mankind into a different verse if you then proceed to strip him of everything that makes him the God-Emperor.
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Actually I think if the Warp- and the threats contained therein- were removed the Emperor would (once he works out wtf has happened to him) probably change his stance on a few things. His whole existence is geared towards combatting the powers of Chaos. Once they're out of the picture it would have to alter his stance on things.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Fair enough. I wonder what he would make of Q, since he's as close as Star Trek comes to Tzeentch.
Godlike aliens are practically a terrain hazard in Star Trek. Never mind Q, we've also got the Organians, Metrons, those weirdos from DS9: "If Wishes Were Horses", and so forth.

But none of them (apart from Q when he's in a trollolol mood) are actively malevolent.
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Boeing 757 wrote:1. Star Wars, during the time of the AOTC-era Galactic Republic
As observed before, the Emprah probably takes a while to analyze the Jedi and the ongoing situation with the Sith. Of course, if he's dumped on, say, Tatooine or Yavin 4 without a ship or anything, it's going to take him awhile. If he starts out on Coruscant, he'd move much faster.

Essentially though he has to figure out two things: how he'll use the Jedi for his purposes, and Palpatine's plot to destroy the Jedi and take over the Republic. The former is easy enough, the second will be much harder to find out as only a very few people know about it. Even the Jedi Council is clueless for the most part although they have some idea that something's going on--but they figure it's more likely something to do with Dooku and the leadership of the Trade Federation. They have absolutely no idea (apart from, maybe, Mace Windu or Yoda) that Palpatine is the mastermind. As such, just mindreading people and following bread crumbs isn't really going to get the Emperor anywhere in a hurry as far as the Sith go.

That is actually most likely to be the Emperor's strategy in all these scenarios-- as he meets people, search their minds for information. Where is he, who/what are important/in power/etc, how can I make my way to that place/those people and who can they lead me to, and so forth. He's smart enough to work on a long-term basis rather than just winging it and making it up as he goes.
2. Star Trek, at the beginning of the TNG-era Federation
This one is an interesting setting to put him into. The galaxy is in a state of (at least) detente; nobody's actively trying to knock each other off, although there are some moderate boundary tensions. The Emperor, by 30K, has become accustomed to living in a culture where conflict is a constant after the Age of Strife. Unifying Earth and Mars, and starting the Crusade, has occupied his time for quite a while. The relative peace of TNG-galaxy would be a bit of a culture shock.

The most likely thing for him to do is start working his way into an authority position within perhaps the Federation, although it would be fun if he decided the Klingons were more his game... his precognitive abilities could indicate to him the dangers of the Borg, Romulan expansionists, and the Dominion. From thereupon he might decide to start building up whatever military he has to work with, possibly also making alliances with powerful non-aligned alien races if he can get them to agree to intervene.

A question that does arise is whether he'd remain as xenophobic and human-centric as he is in the 30K verse. Would he take the position of human supremacy, or decide to ally with the alien empires out there for expedient reasons given that the Federation doesn't have that much military strength?
3. Dahakverse, right before Colin MacIntyre finds out that the moon is actually a giant battleship
4. Xeeleeverse, in the middle of the war between humanity and the Xeelee
Don't know much of anything about these. I suppose he would stand on the side of humanity and again work his way into a position of authority. Depends on if he has to personally intervene in the fight against the aliens or not.
5. Foundationverse, just as the Galactic Empire is about to launch an invasion of the Foundation
My Foundation knowledge is pretty weak, but here's my best guess...

His precognitive powers would be competition for the Foundation and Second Foundation, and as well as being outside the predicted timeline, he'd throw both their plans into some serious disarray. The question is, which side would he pick-- Empire or Foundation? And would he allow the Empire to fall into disarray, or would he be more likely to follow the Foundation plan-- or just do his own thing and establish his own domain? There are a lot of unknowns here (at least for me).
6. Independence Day, just as the aliens invade Earth.


This one is pretty different from the other scenarios as it's very short term. He would be playing tactically here rather than strategically, and would be personally intervening in the conflicts most likely. If he has time (it took the aliens a while to actually start blowing things up), he might be able to identify the weaknesses of the aliens and find his way to, I don't know, the President's office, he can easily convince them to go ahead and start attacking the aliens. In the meantime he starts messing stuff up...
7. Andromedaverse, during the time of the Nietzschean Rebellion.
Not terribly familiar with Andromeda, but he does seem to like the whole enhanced-human thing; Space Marines and Primarchs, anybody? So he might decide the Nietzscheans are his kind of people and throw in with them. Short term, Nietzscheans become more unified once they overthrow the Commonwealth; long term, he probably forges them into the basis for a stronger human Empire. If Dylan Hunt makes it back from the black hole, likely he would be offered the choice of joining the new Nietzschean Empire as his ship would be useful (last one left, right?).

If he decides to go with the Commonwealth, I honestly have no idea...
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Elheru Aran wrote:
Boeing 757 wrote:1. Star Wars, during the time of the AOTC-era Galactic Republic
As observed before, the Emprah probably takes a while to analyze the Jedi and the ongoing situation with the Sith. Of course, if he's dumped on, say, Tatooine or Yavin 4 without a ship or anything, it's going to take him awhile. If he starts out on Coruscant, he'd move much faster.

Essentially though he has to figure out two things: how he'll use the Jedi for his purposes, and Palpatine's plot to destroy the Jedi and take over the Republic. The former is easy enough, the second will be much harder to find out as only a very few people know about it. Even the Jedi Council is clueless for the most part although they have some idea that something's going on--but they figure it's more likely something to do with Dooku and the leadership of the Trade Federation. They have absolutely no idea (apart from, maybe, Mace Windu or Yoda) that Palpatine is the mastermind...
On the other hand, the Emperor's own psychic radar is extremely refined and powerful, and if he finds himself on Coruscant, he will have a very good chance of detecting Palpatine in his own right, burning through whatever veils of counter-scrying Palpatine uses to escape detection by the Jedi.
2. Star Trek, at the beginning of the TNG-era Federation
This one is an interesting setting to put him into. The galaxy is in a state of (at least) detente; nobody's actively trying to knock each other off, although there are some moderate boundary tensions. The Emperor, by 30K, has become accustomed to living in a culture where conflict is a constant after the Age of Strife. Unifying Earth and Mars, and starting the Crusade, has occupied his time for quite a while. The relative peace of TNG-galaxy would be a bit of a culture shock.

The most likely thing for him to do is start working his way into an authority position within perhaps the Federation, although it would be fun if he decided the Klingons were more his game... his precognitive abilities could indicate to him the dangers of the Borg, Romulan expansionists, and the Dominion. From thereupon he might decide to start building up whatever military he has to work with, possibly also making alliances with powerful non-aligned alien races if he can get them to agree to intervene.

A question that does arise is whether he'd remain as xenophobic and human-centric as he is in the 30K verse. Would he take the position of human supremacy, or decide to ally with the alien empires out there for expedient reasons given that the Federation doesn't have that much military strength?
Also, for that matter, the Federation itself is

I think part of the reason for the Emperor's institutional xenophobia is that in the pre-Age of Strife galaxy, the dominant power was the Eldar, and the God-Emperor is basically aspiring to take his own people and place them in the same position of dominance that the Eldar once occupied. Moreover, he also has great reasons to hate the Eldar, because their perverse and irresponsible behavior resulted in a new Chaos God and the massive chaos in the Warp that resulted from the birth of Slaanesh.

Dealing with the more 'tame' aliens of Star Trek, many of whom are really no more different from humans than ratlings or ogryns are, I think the God-Emperor MIGHT be willing to consider peaceful coexistence. Then again, he might not; he was not a flexible man, and not willing to bend for others or consider other people's points of view.
Don't know much of anything about these. I suppose he would stand on the side of humanity and again work his way into a position of authority. Depends on if he has to personally intervene in the fight against the aliens or not.
In the Dahakverse he would be useful and effective. In the Xeeleeverse, the cosmos-shattering weapons being deployed in the conflict are so great that even his power might well be relatively unable to alter the course of events.
5. Foundationverse, just as the Galactic Empire is about to launch an invasion of the Foundation
My Foundation knowledge is pretty weak, but here's my best guess...

His precognitive powers would be competition for the Foundation and Second Foundation, and as well as being outside the predicted timeline, he'd throw both their plans into some serious disarray.
We already know that the Mule's ability to exert psychic dominance over key decision-makers threw the Seldon Plan completely out of gear, and only the Second Foundation's own mind-tinkering abilities brought things back on track.

The God-Emperor is more powerful and, being immortal, he won't just 'go away' like the Mule did.
The question is, which side would he pick-- Empire or Foundation? And would he allow the Empire to fall into disarray, or would he be more likely to follow the Foundation plan-- or just do his own thing and establish his own domain? There are a lot of unknowns here (at least for me).
I think it is most likely that he would view the Foundation as the functional equivalent of the Adeptus Mechanicus, and try to create a symbiosis of Foundation and Empire, taking over the Empire and offering the Foundation a way to fulfill its long-term mission (restore order and high science to the galaxy) much faster than Seldon ever could.

The Foundation setting would practically be a sandbox for the Emperor to play in; there aren't any real threats to his power involved. Very relaxing.
6. Independence Day, just as the aliens invade Earth.
This one is pretty different from the other scenarios as it's very short term. He would be playing tactically here rather than strategically, and would be personally intervening in the conflicts most likely. If he has time (it took the aliens a while to actually start blowing things up), he might be able to identify the weaknesses of the aliens and find his way to, I don't know, the President's office, he can easily convince them to go ahead and start attacking the aliens. In the meantime he starts messing stuff up...
Much depends on whether he could quickly design (working from memory) weapons of sufficient force to allow humans to fight the aliens. Also whether his psychic powers allow him to confront the aliens on those terms.
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Simon_Jester wrote:Also, for that matter, the Federation itself is
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Sorry.

The Federation itself is not really a human polity; it just looks that way because it's cheaper NOT to put redshirts into elaborate makeup. All those Andorians and Vulcans and so on kicking around are, theoretically, nearly as important to the overall health of the Federation as humans are. So the God-Emperor might see the Federation as an irretrievably xenos-contaminated culture.
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