Doctor Who S34E5: "Time Heist" Spoilers

[Crazedwraith]

I have no opinions on this episode at all. I completely forgot to watch it. Tells you something about how well the series is going for me. Hence why no thread until now.

Either you all are very polite and didn't want to tread on my toes. Or you just don't care.

[Eternal_Freedom]

I gave it a 4. Doctor Who does Ocean's Eleven but with the rather nice twist that they're saving a species in the process. There really isn't much more to say.

[InsaneTD]

I thought this was a great episode and yeah, oceans eleven vibe which I enjoyed. I gave it a four.

[Broomstick]

What is the opposite of someone who commits genocide?

I suspected, when they mentioned the problem of getting the cases in place before the "heist", that the Doctor was the Architect, at which point I also started wondering if the shredders were actually teleports because the Doctor doesn't kill if he can avoid it. I did not expect Mrs. Teller.

I wonder if the Tellers are related to the creatures in the "God Complex" and "The Horns of Nimon"?

Another case of "monsters" in love, as in "Hide".

I enjoyed it, it wasn't just straightforward adventure, there was some mystery and suspense involved.

[FaxModem1]

It was a fun episode. Rather glad the one off characters of the heist crew got to survive. Would love to see them on further adventures. I'll give it a 4.

[InsaneTD]

I'd really like to see them again as well. The Cyborg (I think his name was Cy or something like that) was really cool.

[SpottedKitty]

I have no opinions on this episode at all. I completely forgot to watch it.

Don't forget the repeat on BBC3 tonight at (I think) 8pm.

Well... interesting. I've never seen Ocean's Eleven, so I haven't anything to compare it to, but it was a fun bank-heist-caper episode anyway. More (apparently) stable time-loops, and I really have to wonder how much The Doctor had "forgotten" if he knew what the shredders really were.

Only one thing I wish had been used less, the <flash> cuts were a bit jarring. The first couple after the initial phone call were paced so that I thought they might have been actual memory skips, and at the last one I wondered for a moment what was going on.

Still, another pretty good, solid episode; I'll give it another 4.

[Jaepheth]

To have such super-high security on the bank floor and then little to none on the service level was a bit too much for me; especially the prevalence of conveniently sized air vents.

Still a fun episode though; I'd give it a 3.5 / 5

I think they could've done a short scene during the flashbacck/planning phase where the Doctor is there when the bank is constructed to influence those design decisions (a la Rowan Atkinson's Dr Who parody)

[Starglider]

The writing was still sloppy and suspension of disbelief non-existent, but it had style at least. The 'Doctor is the Architect' twist was predictable but the survival of the supporting characters was actually a pleasant surprise, because after the dalek episode I was quite ready to believe they'd been giving cheap deaths just to provide a 10 second character moment for the leads. I would have to say, the best episode of the season so far, but we've yet to have a really good one.

[Bedlam]

I was sort of expecting the Doctors 'girlfriend' and heaven to turn up for the dead heist crew but of course as they didn't actually die there weren't any, however, has it been two episodes since we saw them or three now? That thread seems to have gone a little cold.

[Batman]

Am I the only one to whom the 'shredder' visual effects screamed 'teleporter' from the word go?
I, too, haven't seen the Ocean's Insertnumeral movies, but I've seen my share of bank heist movies, and I think this was a well done take on the theme.
3.875 on the provided scale.
And I'm sorry, 'no entry under any circumstances' signs on what appears to be ventilation shafts (pretty easy to get into and out of ventilation shafts and aren't those usually near the ceiling?) is just begging for someone to check out what the big deal is.

[Gandalf]

That was fun. I liked that there weren't some sort of stakes until the end aside from "If we're caught, we're boned." No need for any massive setup, just a premise and it's off.

The show needs more of these. I gave it a four. It would have a five, but Clara has yet to have a character installed.

What is the opposite of someone who commits genocide?

Not a monster, presumably.

[jwl]

To have such super-high security on the bank floor and then little to none on the service level was a bit too much for me; especially the prevalence of conveniently sized air vents.

Still a fun episode though; I'd give it a 3.5 / 5

I think they could've done a short scene during the flashbacck/planning phase where the Doctor is there when the bank is constructed to influence those design decisions (a la Rowan Atkinson's Dr Who parody)

So The Architect would be bribing the architect?

[Iroscato]

Gave it a three, though that might've been a little harsh in retrospect. It had some nice ideas in it, and the monster was pretty cool, but it did feel very...I don't know, odd. Still wondering who keeps voting 1 anonymously though

[Eternal_Freedom]

Incidentally, for her date, was Clara really going with "sexy schoolgirl" while a) being a teacher and b) going out with another teacher? Cos that just screams creepy.

I'm probably thinking too much however.

[Bedlam]

Incidentally, for her date, was Clara really going with "sexy schoolgirl" while a) being a teacher and b) going out with another teacher? Cos that just screams creepy.

I'm probably thinking too much however.

Well she's not quite up to Lalla Ward's heights yet

I did wonder about the thin partially undone tie, I'm not up with recent fashion but I've never really seen anyone wear anything like that before.

[PREDATOR490]

4/5 - Liked all of it

-1 = Clara.
I was a bit creeped out dressing her up like a sexy school girl for a date when they are both teachers and then she decides to travel around with an old man Doctor in that outfit for the rest of the episode. Apparantly, Clara didn't have TIME to change between the cuts where a decent amount of TIME should have passed for her to do so. Unless Clara is terminally stupid to the point she thinks going into a bank dressed as a sexy school girl is sensible. This is the same show that put Karen Gillian in a police outfit with a skirt so short she cannot jump over a knee high railing without having to hold it down for Matt Smith's first episode so. So we went from the creepy Doctor / Companion relationship to Clara being relegated to sexy eye candy.

That said, it is becoming fairly obvious Clara is on the way out of the show with the arc they seem to be going with. I found the comment about Clara always making 'excuses' for the Doctor a bit barbed. Clara has gone off the Doctor... which despite her protests in the first episode only makes it look like she liked hanging around the Doctor because he was a goofy pretty boy. Now, the Doctor has removed the "veil" Clara no longer wants to play as much.

Heaven lady did not show up but this episode is pushing forward hints about the "Am I a good man ?" arc and the Doctor being abusive to those around him. I'm wondering if at some point the Doctor is going to be 'put on trial' with Heaven Lady hitting him with his 'victims'.
I.E Davros trying to "show" the Doctor himself in Journey's End. Of course, such a trial only really matters if it actually has consequences and accomplishes something other than being a self-indulgent guest-star wank fest.

[Geminon]

I need to put my 2 cents in(rounded down to 0, because no more pennies up here). I don't think that Clara was dressed like a sexy schoolgirl at all. A pant suit is hardly sexy schoolgirl. It is a lot closer to 'Oceans #' or other heist movie typical attire. Think Reservoir Dogs, or Heat and the like. What I saw definitely reminded me of Reservoir Dogs - Black suit, white shirt, skinny black tie.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Yeah it isn't the suit so much as the half-undone shirt and messily done tie. I mean, you'd think she would have bothered to at least wear the suit properly while waltzing into a fancy bank.

[bilateralrope]

Heaven lady did not show up but this episode

I'm pretty sure that Heaven lady was the person running the bank.

My main issue with this episode is how the bank was cartoonishly evil instead of competent. Imagine someone who gets into an argument with their wife. He feels guilty about the argument, but needs to do some stuff at the bank. But the Teller is walking around, and it senses his guilt. So he gets he brain melted, his wife gets arrested and the bank steals everything stored there.

Why would anyone risk their lives banking there if they had a choice ?

[Eternal_Freedom]

I think the intent was that the Teller detects guilt as a warning-sign and then investigates with the mind-probing, before it turns fatal.

[The Romulan Republic]

As I recall, the Teller didn't dissolve the brain until he detected criminal intent.

[bilateralrope]

I think the intent was that the Teller detects guilt as a warning-sign and then investigates with the mind-probing, before it turns fatal.

Tthe dialog made it clear that the exact crime would be determined later. After the execution.

To have such super-high security on the bank floor and then little to none on the service level was a bit too much for me; especially the prevalence of conveniently sized air vents.

Everything about the bank was security theater instead of security.

[jwl]

Heaven lady did not show up but this episode

I'm pretty sure that Heaven lady was the person running the bank.

My main issue with this episode is how the bank was cartoonishly evil instead of competent. Imagine someone who gets into an argument with their wife. He feels guilty about the argument, but needs to do some stuff at the bank. But the Teller is walking around, and it senses his guilt. So he gets he brain melted, his wife gets arrested and the bank steals everything stored there.

Why would anyone risk their lives banking there if they had a choice ?

What makes you think they have a choice, considering what being "fired" means?

[Steve]

I think he's referring to the customers not wanting to bank somewhere that will kill them for feeling guilty over something, if the Teller's power is that indiscriminate.