Doctor Who S9 trailer

[Dartzap]

Returns September 19th

[The Romulan Republic]

Not a good first impression to be honest. I wish Clara had left, for one thing. Also, this looks too much like last season in tone. And is it just me, or is the dialog and the context of it about half a minute in implying some sort of twisted Master/Doctor shipping? Leave that shit in fan fiction, please.

Still, I like the basic concept of Missy, so I'm kind of glad she's coming back. And that shot with Clara and Missy together- is she (maybe along with the Doctor) going to team up with the Master at some point?

[FaxModem1]

So, place your bets on Maisie Williams role. Personally, I think she's taking the role of Ace, from the Seventh Doctor's era.

[Dartzap]

I'm thinking Susan or Jenny.

[The Romulan Republic]

Any of those three would be nice. Though I've been particularly hoping for Jenny's return for a while.

[Eternal_Freedom]

Any of those three will be good, she clearly knows him, but odds on we'll get another damn original character who just happens to have known the Doctor years ago, because using old characters is bad, m'kay?

Personally, I'm really hoping this season features the Doctor actually finding Gallifrey, not that teasing bollocks at the end of Death in Heaven.

[Crazedwraith]

I still can't decide whether I want to watch this or not. The episodes of S8 I remembered to watch were pretty dire. But it's amazing what a good trailer (or just suspenseful music apparently) can do to change that.

Still "I'm the doctor: I save people". Yeah, we know we get it. I hope the fact that's getting declared just a statement of fact and not a realisation after a long tortured journey of self-discovery because if there's one thing about all the annoyed me about s8 it's that the Doctor had to fucking ask Clara if he was a good person.

[The Romulan Republic]

That's actually debatable to say the least. The Doctor has done some really hideous things in his life. Moreover, Capaldi's Doctor was new, and each incarnation's personality is a bit different. Its entirely reasonable for him to doubt that he's a good man.

[The Romulan Republic]

I'll add that its probably a good thing, to a point, if the Doctor doubts himself. A man with that much power and that pivotal a role in history should not get cocky about his actions or ethics.

[FaxModem1]

Personally, I think it's because Capaldi's Doctor is NOT a good person, during season 8, he was biased, uncaring, a bit selfish, and arrogant. He didn't care if he endangered people(bringing a robot to a school), got them into legal trouble to advance his own interests(got the handyman there fired/arrested for false charges, as opposed to just giving the man a lottery ticket like earlier incarnations did), left people to die since his curiosity was satisfied(both the moon problem and the dream crabs), and has a huge hatred for anyone who dares enlist(his rampant diatribes against soldiers, to the point of leaving them to die).

If Season 9 is about the Capaldi Doctor growing a conscience, I'm all for it.

[The Romulan Republic]

The stuff about soldiers, I'd say, is probably at least partly due to having not left the Time War behind him, despite everything.

[Crazedwraith]

That's actually debatable to say the least. The Doctor has done some really hideous things in his life. Moreover, Capaldi's Doctor was new, and each incarnation's personality is a bit different. Its entirely reasonable for him to doubt that he's a good man.

That's just bunk. Firstly, to paraphrase a different doctor: He's saved every known planet in the universe a minimum of twenty-seven times. He does nothing but fly around and help people. He's even had that big double genocide lifted from his conscience recently as it never actually happened.

And secondly even if that wasn't true, there's no need for the show to approach the subject with a sledgehammer instead of the slightest hint of subtlety. The Doctor can have doubts, be uncertain of himself without literally having to stop and ask Clara about himself.


If they wrote the Doctor had an unlikeable asshole (and I missed the half the episodes mentioned because I simply forgot to watch) that's another strike against the show, not something they should be lauded for following up on.

[The Romulan Republic]

That's actually debatable to say the least. The Doctor has done some really hideous things in his life. Moreover, Capaldi's Doctor was new, and each incarnation's personality is a bit different. Its entirely reasonable for him to doubt that he's a good man.

That's just bunk. Firstly, to paraphrase a different doctor: He's saved every known planet in the universe a minimum of twenty-seven times. He does nothing but fly around and help people. He's even had that big double genocide lifted from his conscience recently as it never actually happened.

The good the Doctor has done does not erase the bad he has done.

And the fall of Gallifrey is not the only genocide to his name. Mind controlling the entire human race into killing the Silence comes to mind.

And secondly even if that wasn't true, there's no need for the show to approach the subject with a sledgehammer instead of the slightest hint of subtlety. The Doctor can have doubts, be uncertain of himself without literally having to stop and ask Clara about himself.

Normally I'm all for subtlety, but it makes some sense that when the Doctor has doubt about who he is, he would ask his close friend who travels with him.

If they wrote the Doctor had an unlikeable asshole (and I missed the half the episodes mentioned because I simply forgot to watch) that's another strike against the show, not something they should be lauded for following up on.

Well, once its done you kind of have to deal with it unless you just treat those episodes as non-canon.

[Parallax]

The 7th Doctor once detonated Skaro's sun, annihilating life in that solar system.
I hope the Thalls weren't home at the time.

[Hillary]

To be fair, he manipulated Davros into doing that - he didn't actually do it himself.

But, yeah - sucks to be a Thal.

[Hillary]

Personally, I think it's because Capaldi's Doctor is NOT a good person, during season 8, he was biased, uncaring, a bit selfish, and arrogant. He didn't care if he endangered people(bringing a robot to a school), got them into legal trouble to advance his own interests(got the handyman there fired/arrested for false charges, as opposed to just giving the man a lottery ticket like earlier incarnations did), left people to die since his curiosity was satisfied(both the moon problem and the dream crabs), and has a huge hatred for anyone who dares enlist(his rampant diatribes against soldiers, to the point of leaving them to die).

If Season 9 is about the Capaldi Doctor growing a conscience, I'm all for it.

Absolutely! The last season was a train wreck partly because the Doctor was such an unpleasant character. In order for the series to work for me, the Doctor has to be the moral compass more often than not. It's OK for him to lose this due to external influences (think the 4th Doctor during the first half of the Invasion of Time) or for him to get things wrong from time to time, but for him to be unnecessarily callous just kills the show for me.

It wasn't the only problem with the last season (some of the writing was absolutely dire) but it was a major issue. Capaldi's Doctor is not likeable - that hasn't happened since the quickly abandoned experiment with Colin Baker.

[Bedlam]

The 7th Doctor once detonated Skaro's sun, annihilating life in that solar system.
I hope the Thalls weren't home at the time.

From what I remember of the novelisation the planet was full of Daleks at the time, if there were any Thalls left on the planet then they probably wished they were dead anyway. It's not make clear but those from Planet of the Daleks had presumably moved off of Skaro by then.

[Gandalf]

Bah! Needs more Malcolm Tucker.

Also, I'm hoping for more Gallifrey. If they're going to cheat them back into existence, I'd like to actually see it explored.

[The Romulan Republic]

Indeed.

I hope the Time Lord commander from Day of the Doctor comes back. He seemed like a cool fellow.

[Pelranius]

I'm thinking Susan or Jenny.

I've heard of another River Song regeneration as a possibility, though my money's on Jenny (they mentioned her last season, after all).

[The Romulan Republic]

River would be a waste. I'm not one of the people who really hates River, but I'd much rather see someone who hasn't been around for a while.

A Time Lord/Time Lady makes the most sense for an old character being recast due to regeneration.

[jwl]

Not a good first impression to be honest. I wish Clara had left, for one thing. Also, this looks too much like last season in tone. And is it just me, or is the dialog and the context of it about half a minute in implying some sort of twisted Master/Doctor shipping? Leave that shit in fan fiction, please.

Still, I like the basic concept of Missy, so I'm kind of glad she's coming back. And that shot with Clara and Missy together- is she (maybe along with the Doctor) going to team up with the Master at some point?

The Doctor refers to Missy as "it"? I doubt that. I dunno what it is though. Gallifrey?

[Pelranius]

River would be a waste. I'm not one of the people who really hates River, but I'd much rather see someone who hasn't been around for a while.

A Time Lord/Time Lady makes the most sense for an old character being recast due to regeneration.

I thought of Susan as well, though Maisie William's character seems a touch too curt with the Doctor, but regenerations do change personalities a bit.

Does Jenny count as a proper Time Lady?

[Eternal_Freedom]

River would be a waste. I'm not one of the people who really hates River, but I'd much rather see someone who hasn't been around for a while.

A Time Lord/Time Lady makes the most sense for an old character being recast due to regeneration.

I thought of Susan as well, though Maisie William's character seems a touch too curt with the Doctor, but regenerations do change personalities a bit.

Does Jenny count as a proper Time Lady?

Well if she is Susan then the Doctor hasn't seen her since his 5th incarnation briefly met her in The Five Doctors. Certainly he never came back as he promised her he would.

As for Jenny, I would think she counts as a Gallifreyan but not a Time Lady, since there is a clear distinction between those two. Jenny never went to the Academy after all.

[The Romulan Republic]

Genetically Gallifreyan. But she could not regenerate. Which suggests that either something was screwed up biologically or regeneration is learned, not innate.