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Courtesy of the Guardian:

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Agent Carter star Hayley Atwell: 'I'd like to be Doctor Who'
The Agent Carter and Captain America actor has entered the debate over whether the Doctor should be a woman – and unlike AL Kennedy, she’s all in favour
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Hayley Atwell has contributed to the long-running debate over whether the Doctor in Doctor Who should be a woman by indicating that she would be keen to play the timelord.

In a Twitter Q&A session the actor, who currently appears as Peggy Carter in the Marvel series Agent Carter as well the Captain America films and Avengers: Age of Ultron, was asked by a fan whether she would like to appear in the BBC sci-fi series. “I’d like to BE Doctor Who,” Atwell replied.


Atwell’s comments come at the same time as those of Doctor Who writer and comedian AL Kennedy, who stated that the Doctor should never be a woman. Instead, Kennedy called for the creation of characters who were “iconic and marvellous for women”.

Speaking at the Edinburgh international book festival, Kennedy said: “As a heterosexual woman, I have no interest in a female Doctor. He’s kind of got a guy vibe, the Doctor. A hopeless, undomestic, dozy, dreamy guy-type of eccentricity. It’s not a girl-type of eccentricity. I’d be surprised if he changed gender.”

The issue of the Doctor’s gender has been a perennial topic for discussion in recent years. In the eight series of Doctor Who’s reboot, the Doctor’s longstanding nemesis the Master returned in a female incarnation, Missy, played by Michelle Gomez.

Doctor Who showrunner Steven Moffat has suggested that a future regeneration of the Doctor could also be a woman. “There easily could be a female Doctor,” Moffat told SFX magazine last year. “I think the next time might be a female Doctor. I don’t see why not. I think it’s good to do that.”
While she wouldn't be my top choice for the Doctor, I could see this.

And I'll take any celebrity endorsements for a female Doctor.
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I have no particular objections but I have no idea why this such a prominent reoccurring topic.
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Their are lots of possible reasons, including:

1. Its controversial.
2. It ties into significant political issues (gender equality and affirmative action and transgender issues).
3. It would be a huge shift in the show's status quo, at least on the surface. And that tends to get traditionalist fans riled up (traditionalist fans in general, not specifically for Doctor Who).
4. Its fun speculating about who will be cast next.
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I'm surprised at how ok with this I am. And it's not even that she's good-looking, I just really like her as an actress and could see her in the role.
Hmm...
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?

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Chimaera wrote:I'm surprised at how ok with this I am. And it's not even that she's good-looking, I just really like her as an actress and could see her in the role.
Hmm...
She can definetly pull of the seems older then the appears on the surface character, that's kind of needed for the Doctor.
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Agreed.

To play the Doctor, you need to basically be able to convey the following:

Humour/eccentricity, or at least a bit of lightheartedness.
Immeasurable age, guilt, and sorrow.
A sharp intellect.
Righteous anger.

Those are, I think, the key emotions/personality aspects.
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Despite the (IMO, I know not everyone liked it) excellent overall quality of last series, I really do hope Moffatt buggers off after this one. He's into his 5th year of showrunning, it's time for an overhaul. I'd be up for his wish for a female Doctor being carried over into the new crew, just not with him at the helm.
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?

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I don't feel Moffat handles characterization terribly well a lot of the time, and I think characterization's something that would have to be handled with a great deal of skill and tact when doing something as controversial and easy to mess up as a female Doctor.

Besides, Moffat's style, not ideal to begin with, has gotten very tired. He does an occasional good episode (I consider Blink and Day of the Doctor possibly the two strongest scripts in Doctor Who's history), but as show runner he leaves a lot to be desired.
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When his "throw everything at the wall, see what sticks, and torpedo through the episode at breakneck speed" schtick works, it works really well, like with the above examples (though Blink was quite a slo-burner, and all the better for it). When it doesn't, you get shit like Let's Kill Hitler. How much is actually down to him, I know not.

That being said, I often find myself enjoying even the 'bad' episodes a lot more after a second viewing, once my brain can better process everything that's going on. I'm fairly certain he has some kind of ADD, being a sufferer myself.
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?

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Moffat's a bizarre case. Like you said, when he nails it, he can produce fantastic results, but a lot of the time, his work falls short. Its hard to believe that the same man wrote Blink and Let's Kill Hitler.
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He - or atleast his team - clearly have a fantastic imagination, but perhaps they forgot to get people who can keep them on the straight and narrow and filter their work into stuff that is actually coherent most of the time. It's kind of...frustrating when I see the ingenuity underneath the nonsense, like they're just a few tweaks away from producing consistently better work.
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?

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Let her. They're hard pressed to do worse than the Capaldi run.
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I don't think Capaldi's episodes have been all bad, but I do agree they've been fairly weak overall. However, I also don't think that's any fault of Capaldi.
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Batman wrote:Let her. They're hard pressed to do worse than the Capaldi run.
Bah. Go and brood on a rooftop somewhere :P
Yeah, I've always taken the subtext of the Birther movement to be, "The rules don't count here! This is different! HE'S BLACK! BLACK, I SAY! ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?

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@TRR-I don't think they've been all bad either, but Capaldi's run was easily the weakest of nuWho (and given the Tennant era that's saying something), and I'm not saying it was his fault. Just saying that nuWho was at its worst while he was the Doctor. He had great moments, but was settled with too much 'you gotta be fucking kidding me' writing.
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I like Capaldi as the Doc I just don't think he was given much to work with. Between him being made a guest star on his own damn show and the horribly horrible writing, I agree with Bats in that Capaldi's run was probably the worst of reboot-Who.

Which is one of the reasons I am opposed to a female Doctor, mostly because I am opposed to any Doctor right now as the writing is so fucking tired and just plain bad. A female Doctor in the hands of the current crop would probably wind up being a joke, focusing more on the face he has a vagina now then on the character and his adventures.

I'm not opposed to a female Doctor in general though. I'd maybe not prefer it but done well it wouldn't bother. Changing a character sucks but with the Doctor who character is all about change. Each Doctor is a unique character, has some traits from previous versions but overall does their own things, has different characterizations, has different interests and looks. You wouldn't have to change the show too much to make the Doctor a title and each Doctor a different character with the Doctor title rather then the same person.

My main things is pretty much how I feel about at black Batman. If they are going to do it, DO SOMETHING WITH IT.Try something different, they are already going to be upsetting fanboys so may as well try something new.

And don't make a female Doctor just because you want a female Doctor, make it because a female is the best qualified for the role. Hailey Atwell is an excellent actress and would make a great Doc. But she shouldn't get the role because she has a vagina but because she is such a great actress, she should be considered for the role of the Doctor itself not just a female Doctor. Same if they considered Ildris Elba for the role, he should be considered because he is a fantastic actor, not because his skin color. He should be the Doctor who happens to black, not the "black Doctor".

I still say they just leave the Doctor some crusty old white dude and bring back Jenny, maybe retire the Doctor and have her take up his title. No upset fanboys, give a character who has been sadly forgotten some freaking screentime, and lets them do something new with the show without literally thousands of years of backstory weighing it down.
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Joun_Lord wrote:I like Capaldi as the Doc I just don't think he was given much to work with.
I partially agree with this. Capaldi's a fine actor, but the writing hasn't always been good.
Between him being made a guest star on his own damn show
I hear this sort of thing a lot, but I don't see it.
and the horribly horrible writing, I agree with Bats in that Capaldi's run was probably the worst of reboot-Who.
Season seven was pretty shitty too. For that matter, I think the show may have taken a nose dive after season five that its never fully recovered from (aside from a brief moment of glory called Day of the Doctor).
Which is one of the reasons I am opposed to a female Doctor, mostly because I am opposed to any Doctor right now as the writing is so fucking tired and just plain bad. A female Doctor in the hands of the current crop would probably wind up being a joke, focusing more on the face he has a vagina now then on the character and his adventures.
That's overly simplistic, I think, but their are a lot of writers who would probably write the Doctor being female very badly. They could use it to promote an agenda in a heavy-handed way, be generally sexist, use it for cheap jokes, or try to make the Doctor focussed on sex appeal for male viewers. Their are a lot of ways to fuck this up.

And if they did fuck it up, it could be seen as validating the complaints of sexist fans and fans who just hate change, and might cause the show to be cancelled.

I like the idea of a female Doctor, but they need someone who's actually competent to handle it.
I'm not opposed to a female Doctor in general though. I'd maybe not prefer it but done well it wouldn't bother. Changing a character sucks but with the Doctor who character is all about change.
Characters changing is realistic and part of what keeps things interesting. Rehashing the same material a lot is bad.

Now, usually you can't change a character's race or gender without it being a gigantic continuity problem (short of a reboot or adaptation). But Doctor Who is blessed in this area because of regeneration.
Each Doctor is a unique character, has some traits from previous versions but overall does their own things, has different characterizations, has different interests and looks. You wouldn't have to change the show too much to make the Doctor a title and each Doctor a different character with the Doctor title rather then the same person.
I don't really like this concept.

And if there is one constant in the show, its the Doctor's adventures.

Its one thing to change the details. Its another to change the premise.

Sure, you could have a similar series with a different protagonist, but if you changed the protagonist but had the new one doing the same thing, what's the point? To get rid of old baggage? To some extent you can do that with each regeneration.
My main things is pretty much how I feel about at black Batman. If they are going to do it, DO SOMETHING WITH IT.Try something different, they are already going to be upsetting fanboys so may as well try something new.
Like what?

I think I'd prefer it if they don't make a big deal out of how the Doctor's a woman and act like that makes everything different. It'll still be the Doctor in their, with the same memories (more or less), the same soul, just like any other regeneration.

Sure, you could and should allude to it in situations where it would be relevant because of how it would effect others' reactions to the Doctor (like how historical racism towards black people was occasionally alluded to when Martha was in the past). But the character should not be defined by their gender.
And don't make a female Doctor just because you want a female Doctor, make it because a female is the best qualified for the role. Hailey Atwell is an excellent actress and would make a great Doc. But she shouldn't get the role because she has a vagina but because she is such a great actress, she should be considered for the role of the Doctor itself not just a female Doctor. Same if they considered Ildris Elba for the role, he should be considered because he is a fantastic actor, not because his skin color. He should be the Doctor who happens to black, not the "black Doctor".
Agreed.

However, their are many women who could play the role, and many who want to play the role, and since their is no reason other than tradition and sexism why they can't, they should be allowed to audition and given an equal shot at the part.
I still say they just leave the Doctor some crusty old white dude and bring back Jenny, maybe retire the Doctor and have her take up his title. No upset fanboys, give a character who has been sadly forgotten some freaking screentime, and lets them do something new with the show without literally thousands of years of backstory weighing it down.
I do think that if the Doctor ever permanently died or was not carrying on his adventures for some other reason, Jenny would be a logical successor. She is definitely her father's daughter, and in her case, you could say she actually is the Doctor, at least in part, by virtue of being created using his genetic material.
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Another thing- I really hope that if they have a female Doctor, they don't immediately switch from having the Doctor have romantic/sexual interactions with women to having the Doctor only have that with men. Frankly, it would come off as homophobic. And like I said, its the same person in their, and sexual orientation doesn't have to change because gender does.

Personally, I'd prefer it if the Doctor didn't get sexual with his companions at all, but if they're going to do that (and let's face it, they probably are because they'll want to keep the idiot shippers in the audience happy), the Doctor should still be interested in women.

I seem to recall someone (maybe Moffat) basically saying that Time Lords are normally bisexual. I don't have a source, but if your partner suddenly changing gender is a possibility, it kind of makes sense. And it would be a nice way of reinforcing that these are fucking (no pun intended) aliens who don't always conform to our norms (not saying that bisexuals are freaks, but biologically and culturally, most humans tend to go to either men or women). Sci-fi conventions notwithstanding, I tend to be of the opinion that aliens should be alien.
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We have this discussion every few months. The show would not be RUINED FOREVER or anything, but I do think switching the protagonist to a new (or returning i.e. Romana) time lord character would be a better idea than having a sudden gender change for the existing protagonist. After all, if the idea is to shake things up then a new backstory to explore can only help.
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For me, it isn't just to "shake things up". Nor is it about political correctness or affirmative action. For me, in the end, it boils down to this: their is no reason other than tradition, ignorance, and sexism to say a woman can't play the Doctor. Therefore, to deny women who are skilled actors and wish to play the part a chance to do so would be discrimination based on gender. Therefore, morally wrong. You don't have to cast a woman, but women should have the chance to audition for the role. And while it would be possible to have a woman play a male character, the least awkward and most convincing way to have a woman play the Doctor in the context of the show is probably to have the Doctor regenerate as a woman. Like it or not, it is clearly established that it is possible.
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You seem to be fighting a battle with no one on the other side. I don't see anyone disputing it's possible in universe. Just that the writing would invariably be crap.

And if you want to do with Doctor Who with a new female protagonist. They already had that it was called the Sarah Jane Adventures.
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Not really fighting a battle. Just explaining my position and questioning or disagreeing with specific points. Like "...the writing would invariably be crap." I'm not that cynical about it. Moffat does write a good episode once in a while, and besides, he won't be head writer forever.
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And their very much are people on the other side. Maybe not so much here, but from what I've seen, their are a lot of Doctor Who fans who would object to a female Doctor. Though I think that perhaps support has shifted in favour of it.
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