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The Colonial Marines are being slaughtered by a horde of aliens on some planet, so they activate a distress signal. The daleks arrive in a small scouting ship and take all of the Colonial Marine's gold and plunder, but allow them to retreat. The daleks then scan the planet and realise that the planet is filled with perfect organisms which can be recycled and rebuilt into an infinite amount of pure daleks. The daleks teleport all of the aliens on board, but a dalek trips down and accidentally presses a button, which allows all of the millions of aliens held in a small box the size of a loaf of bread to grow into their full size and flood the ship, which crushes all of both the daleks and aliens to death.

A surviving dalek falls out of the ship and activates its thrusters to land gently on the planet, but it falls through the planet and ends up on the original Alien planet, LV-426. The dalek quickly hovers over the entire planet, and covers the entirety of the surface in a few seconds. Then its radar detects more than 150 human lifeforms in a nearby base, so it teleports to the base and kills everyone.

A military gunship along with an APC are sent to destroy the dalek, but the gunship lands and the crew get out, so the dalek hides inside the gunship and waits for the crew to re-enter the gunship and pilot it, and then the dalek learns how to fly, so it kills the crew and blows up the APC with the gunship's weapons.

However, the APC crew survive and get out of the APC and begin firing at the gunship with their rifles, which causes the gunship to explode. The dalek slows down time and directs each piece of debris from the exploding gunship on a path towards the survivors and all but one are killed. The last survivors retreats into the rocks but gets bitten by a strange squid and soon dies after another squid comes out of his torso.

The squid becomes massive and begins to lay thousands of eggs everywhere and in minutes the entire planet is populated with trillions of aliens. The dalek panics and calls for reinforcements but then there is a terrible scraping sound and a blue box appears. A man walks out of the box and tells the dalek that there are no daleks left except for him and then walks back into the box and the box vanishes.

The dalek then realises that the acid cannot even slightly damage his shields, so he freezes time and spends weeks killing all the aliens, and in less than a second all the aliens are dead, so the dalek devours them to grow stronger. But the alien acid vapourizes the dalek's stomach and causes all the alien meat to fall out of the dalek and floods an entire portion of the planet.

The dalek decides to make a giant spaceship the size of a small moon and construction begins immediately. The dalek freezes time again and spends billions of years building the spaceship from raw materials and finally he is done, so he unfreezes time and it appears the spaceship has been completed instantly.

But then a gauge begins to beep on the dalek and it realises that it is running out of power. The dalek tries to build a solar panel to charge himself, but he cannot finish it in time and realises that he will die if he does not receive power soon. The dalek then eats a decaying corpse of another dalek and a small portion of the planet but since his stomach is destroyed the food simply falls out of the dalek and floats in space.

The dalek uses its last bits of power to send a distress signal and soon a fresh batch of Colonial Marines arrive and extract the dalek and return to earth. The Colonial Marines order the earth government to construct a massive power plant which the output of a quadrillion stars. The construction takes a few long years and the citizens start to become nervous, but the power plant is eventually finished.

The Colonial Marines take the dalek and plug it into the power plant and turn it on. But the throbbing of the power plant is so powerful that it instantly turns the earth into fine particles of dust which are scattered throughout the universe so quickly that the universe grows slightly faster for a little while before slowing down again.

Fortunately, the power plant itself is made of solid steel and titanium and suffers only a few broken wires and torn conveyor belts, which the Colonial Marines quickly fix, since everyone already on the plant survived with none to minor injuries. However, even with the power plant at maximum output, the dalek is so weak it can barely see, and quickly diverts all its resources to growing a new stomach.

The Colonial Marines become worried and elect a new president to solve the issue. The president walks over to the dalek and orders the Colonial Marines to construct a massive gasoline generator which is so powerful it can power an entire city of over a million people and jump-start a car instantly. This generator takes a few weeks to be fully built, and it greatly helps quicken the speed of which the dalek grows its new stomach.

Eventually, the dalek has grown a new stomach and this is when it turns on the Colonial Marines and devours the entire power plant, killing all the Colonial Marines in the process. The dalek's stomach contains powerful acids which quickly melt down the power plant and absorbs all of it's energy and causes the dalek to swell and become very large.

The dalek then floats in space, before recycling some floating debris and adding a rocket engine onto itself so it can move around. The dalek detects large amounts of Colonial Marines resonating from a nearby galaxy, so it flies over to investigate, only to discover that the remaining Colonial Marines have actually compressed their entire galaxy into a perfect square of pure tanks and turrets and ships and one giant cannon which is the size of 80% of the galaxy cube.

The Colonial Marines almost ready to fire the cannon at the dalek, but then a stray Weyland-Yutani space shuttle, miles high and dozens of miles long crashes into the galactic cube and seriously damages it. Even worse, there is an impossible amount of aliens coming out of the crashed shuttle, in fact there are more aliens than original atoms in the entire universe.

The Colonial Marines quickly start to lose many men and over 90% of the cube is transformed into aliens in less than 30 minutes. The president of the Colonial Marines is slightly worried that he might lose, so he reinforces the Colonial Marines with a secret stash of 100 M1A2 Abrams tanks which he hid away in a hidden storage hangar.

The Abrams tanks quickly annihilate the aliens and in a few minutes, all of the aliens are dead. The president is relieved and goes back to his normal duty, but then is assassinated by a group of civilians who believe that he is not fit to be president as he is not doing a very good job. However, the civilians must find a way to spread the word around quickly, so they decide to use a nearby police telephone box to call the rest of the minor presidents and let them know what has happened.

But then the police call box seems to expand and several modern earth police cars come speeding out of it and mow down the civilians. The policemen inside are very confused as to where they are, so they stop the vehicles and walk around, until they see a command center. The policemen enter the command center which is filled with Colonial Marines, and the policemen are so shocked at seeing thousands of armed soldiers in front of them that they open fire and slaughter everyone.

The policemen now realize that they need reinforcements, as the entire cube is jam-packed with the armed soldiers, so they go back to the call box and call the national guard in. The national guard arrive with 100,000 guardsmen and several U.S. Marines. There are also 500 M1A2 Abrams tanks carried with them and 5,000 MLRS artillery launchers.

Then a strange man steps out of the box and laughs, so the several marines shoot him, but he dodges the bullets and flies over them. The strange man takes a golden ring from his pocket and fires a RPG from his mouth at a single marine, killing him instantly. The entirety of the national guardsmen then open fire at the strange man all at once, which does not seem to harm him but the sheer impact and shock waves obliterate the entirety of the galactic cube, so the marines and guardsmen and policemen put on NBC gear to protect them from outer space.

Then the marines distract the man by stabbing him with knives, while engineers weld a steel box around him. Soon the engineers are done and the man is trapped in the box, so the marines take the box back to earth and lock it inside a cold storage room.

The dalek has been watching all this happen, and all the armies are now severely weakened, so he quickly eats them, but this causes him to enlarge so much that the dalek grows bigger than the entire universe and causes the universe to be stretched over him.

The dalek begins to be crushed under the weight of the universe's edges, so he fires at the universe edge with his cannon and destroys it. A stray time lord notices something is wrong, so he attempts to make the dalek get smaller but is ripped apart from the massive gravitational forces coming from the dalek.

The time lord respawns back in a strange blue box which he then rams into the dalek and and causes it to shatter into many smaller daleks, who all share the same intelligence as the original. But one dalek flies into another universe and falls down onto a strange planet filled with aliens. This dalek can detect a small human base not far away from him, but without any human lifeforms, so he goes to investigate and discovers that everyone has been eaten by the aliens. There is also a blue police box decoration in a fish tank, but the dalek does not notice this.
There is a terrible shriek and the dalek realises he is being hunted by the aliens, so he barricades himself into a room and waits for the aliens to come. What happens now?

The dalek starts off in LV-426, the original Alien planet. The dalek is fully aware of the aliens' powers and has full access to his own abilities. The dalek's main goal is to exterminate every single alien.
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Re: (Doctor Who) Daleks VS Aliens (Alien)

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I've not read your fanfic there, but... the dalek goes outside, hovers above them out in the open and kills them without any effort whatsoever on its part.

Or just goes room to room and shoots them. They cannot meaningfully hurt it. We saw concentrated acid fail vs dalek casings in The Dalek Invasion of Earth way back in the 60s.
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Daleks have forcefields, levitation pods, explosives, and the disintegration gun. Dalek Wins.
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Oh, I forgot to add that the shields are actually (by ROB) physical regenerative metal shields which can be degraded by acid and regenerate when not taking damage. So lets say the shield can survive being immersed in acid for a few seconds.
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Umm. I'm talking about their armour. It's extremely acid resistant. At least in the oldest and most primitive models - which are actually better in some respects for this job as their guns just blanket an area in front of them and can kill multiple people per shot - which reappeared lately.

Not that dalek guns cause the target to bleed in any case. What're they going to do, try and punch through inch-thick armour? I suppose they could break off the eyestalk, but they're bringing fists to a gunfight.
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It's a slaughter with the Dalek experiencing a weird emotion - joy.
It's there, free to slaughter abominations, no interference from any outside force (including Dalek Command), no real threat to speak of. It just gets to kill things for as long as it wants.
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...uh, yeah, no.

The xenomorphs are pretty lousy as far as squishing things go. Oh, one-on-one, against a low-tech enemy (and frankly compared to Doctor Who, even the Colonial Marines are 'low tech') they're pretty dangerous-- but once you start ratcheting up the tech level, they go down fast. Daleks are equipped to more or less even the playing field against Time Lords. If Rose hadn't intervened against the Doctor in the Eccleston episode "Dalek", that particular unit could well have caused havoc across North America... with *ease*.

And that's not even considering its "make big flash, people fall over dead" gun which would be pretty useful against something that bleeds acid.
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Archinist wrote:snip BS scenario
Daleks don't run from aliens. They fucking exterminate them. At range. Or die trying. That's the way Davros wired them up in "Genesis Of the Daleks", and that's the way most Daleks continue to function.

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Well, there are multiple instances in the movies where daleks are killed by falling out of windows, complications of getting mud in their visors, people throwing them off cliffs, them touching water (acid would probably act the same if the aliens killed their own), daleks getting picked up by people and thrown away, ancient motor cars running them down and whatnot.

In one part, an entire city of daleks were wiped out by normal humans with one being slightly more intelligent than normal. The daleks in the control room were also killed by just being thrown around a lot by tribal people, which makes them weaker than modern soldiers in close ranged fighting.
Elheru Aran wrote:...uh, yeah, no.

The xenomorphs are pretty lousy as far as squishing things go. Oh, one-on-one, against a low-tech enemy (and frankly compared to Doctor Who, even the Colonial Marines are 'low tech') they're pretty dangerous-- but once you start ratcheting up the tech level, they go down fast. Daleks are equipped to more or less even the playing field against Time Lords. If Rose hadn't intervened against the Doctor in the Eccleston episode "Dalek", that particular unit could well have caused havoc across North America... with *ease*.

And that's not even considering its "make big flash, people fall over dead" gun which would be pretty useful against something that bleeds acid.
Well, most of those daleks had some sort of backup or support. This dalek is the last dalek in this universe and is aware of that fact, and has no time lordian/high tech structures pre-existing at all.
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Archinist wrote:Well, there are multiple instances in the movies where daleks are killed by falling out of windows, complications of getting mud in their visors, people throwing them off cliffs, them touching water (acid would probably act the same if the aliens killed their own), daleks getting picked up by people and thrown away, ancient motor cars running them down and whatnot.

In one part, an entire city of daleks were wiped out by normal humans with one being slightly more intelligent than normal. The daleks in the control room were also killed by just being thrown around a lot by tribal people, which makes them weaker than modern soldiers in close ranged fighting.
Important question. Have you seen these episodes? Because I have, and I'm pretty sure Tev and Parallax have too. Yes, we're well aware of these things, and they usually require tactical planning of a sort the aliens don't employ.

Also, unless you specify which dalek, we're going to assume the modern ones, which are considerably more durable.
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Archinist wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:...uh, yeah, no.

The xenomorphs are pretty lousy as far as squishing things go. Oh, one-on-one, against a low-tech enemy (and frankly compared to Doctor Who, even the Colonial Marines are 'low tech') they're pretty dangerous-- but once you start ratcheting up the tech level, they go down fast. Daleks are equipped to more or less even the playing field against Time Lords. If Rose hadn't intervened against the Doctor in the Eccleston episode "Dalek", that particular unit could well have caused havoc across North America... with *ease*.

And that's not even considering its "make big flash, people fall over dead" gun which would be pretty useful against something that bleeds acid.
Well, most of those daleks had some sort of backup or support. This dalek is the last dalek in this universe and is aware of that fact, and has no time lordian/high tech structures pre-existing at all.
Not going to make a difference. The Dalek in "Dalek" was in the same situation, and didn't care. It has all the technology it needs in its shell. It can toilet-plunger xenos in the face, it can bounce a few of them off the shield, ray-gun them, use that field it caught the bullets in on them, and who knows what the hell else. If it wanted to sit tight and wait until they all died of natural causes, it could. If it wanted to carefully roll across every single xeno's toes, it could, even if it had to line up all their bodies in a neat row to do it.

What is it with you and your ridiculously lopsided scenarios, anyway?
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The Dalek in Dalek also had an ability to make people who grappled it catch fire, though that was mentioned rather than shown - "the last person who touched it caught fire" or some such. I don't think that's standard issue though.
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NecronLord wrote:The Dalek in Dalek also had an ability to make people who grappled it catch fire, though that was mentioned rather than shown - "the last person who touched it caught fire" or some such. I don't think that's standard issue though.
Perhaps a jury-rig by the tentacled critter in there? They were running large volumes of electricity through it at one point, I think, and it wouldn't have been impossible for it to feed that back into anybody touching it... electricity does tend to set people on fire if you use sufficient quantities of it.
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Elheru Aran wrote:
NecronLord wrote:The Dalek in Dalek also had an ability to make people who grappled it catch fire, though that was mentioned rather than shown - "the last person who touched it caught fire" or some such. I don't think that's standard issue though.
Perhaps a jury-rig by the tentacled critter in there? They were running large volumes of electricity through it at one point, I think, and it wouldn't have been impossible for it to feed that back into anybody touching it... electricity does tend to set people on fire if you use sufficient quantities of it.
I don't think the Kaled mutant in the Dalek suit could modify his own armor, if the events of "The Witch's Familiar" are any judge(on the other hand, though, it was a human riding the armor and not its usual Dalek occupant).

It would seem more likely it was a special-weapons Dalek(possibly a prototype), as late-Classic Who and modern Daleks also have demonstrated a remarkable degree of specialization.
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The dalek in question was not a special weapons dalek.
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NecronLord wrote:The dalek in question was not a special weapons dalek.
It was, though, the first "modern style" one we'd seen, and the first since the Time War plot device was mentioned on-screen. If it was the result of upgrades and lessons learned from the Time War, then I'd say it (and every other similar one) could well be at least the equivalent of one of the old Special Weapons types. I agree with the comment upthread; the scenario's hopelessly lopsided. One dalek should be easily capable of handling any given number of Aliens. A whole planet full might take a while, but at least we'll find out if a dalek really can enjoy its work. :wink:
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Would the Dalek try to kill the Xenomorphs, or would it try to use them? Xenomorphs are kindred spirits in the sense that they are intensely hostile to all living things. Why kill the Xenomorphs if it can figure out a way to transport them to other worlds? It might even come to view them as a pet of sorts.
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This is about as fair a fight as an Imperial Star Destroyer with ICS numbers vs. a fleet of space shuttles.

Edit: Seriously, its a fucking Dalek. Didn't the 9th. Doctor basically say in "Dalek" that one could exterminate an entire city?

They fought the Time Lords (a small step short of the Q) to the point of mutually assured destruction, in a universal war that (repeatedly) obliterated large portions of reality.
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Tribble wrote:Would the Dalek try to kill the Xenomorphs, or would it try to use them? Xenomorphs are kindred spirits in the sense that they are intensely hostile to all living things. Why kill the Xenomorphs if it can figure out a way to transport them to other worlds? It might even come to view them as a pet of sorts.
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Enigma wrote:
Tribble wrote:Would the Dalek try to kill the Xenomorphs, or would it try to use them? Xenomorphs are kindred spirits in the sense that they are intensely hostile to all living things. Why kill the Xenomorphs if it can figure out a way to transport them to other worlds? It might even come to view them as a pet of sorts.
Easy. There can only be one. Guess who that would be? :)
Oh there is no question Dalek would eventually exterminate the Xenomorphs along with everything else, but Daleks are also known for using other species to further their goals. Why waste a resource that is just as eager to slaughter everything in sight as the Dalek is? Spreading the Xenomorphs to cause as much death and destruction possible would easily fit within the Dalek's long term goal of wiping out all life.
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I am being totally serious. Is it possible for a Dalek to die of laughter?

I can't help but think of when a million Cybermen offered four Daleks an alliance and were refuted.
Cybermen: "You think four Daleks are a match for a million Cybermen?"
Daleks: "No... One Dalek is a match for a million Cybermen. Exterminate!"

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Lord Insanity wrote:I am being totally serious. Is it possible for a Dalek to die of laughter?

I can't help but think of when a million Cybermen offered four Daleks an alliance and were refuted.
Cybermen: "You think four Daleks are a match for a million Cybermen?"
Daleks: "No... One Dalek is a match for a million Cybermen. Exterminate!"

This is like asking if a colony of ants can defeat a flamethrower.
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Cyber Leader: Daleks, be warned. You have declared war upon the Cybermen.
Dalek Sec: This is not war - this is pest control!
Cyber Leader: We have five million Cybermen. How many are you?
Dalek Sec: Four.
Cyber Leader: You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?
Dalek Sec: We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek! You superior in only one respect.
Cyber Leader: What is that?
Dalek Sec: You are better at dying!

The best part was that it turned out the Daleks weren't kidding and they promptly started slaughtering the Cybermen until the ladder retreated. Given that the Xenomorphs are little more than teeth and acid, they would be stomped even harder than the Cybermen were.
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Btw, here's a clip of the opening battle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA6HFSFCfsE

The 4 Daleks enter a room full of Cybermen and Torchwood agents... and proceed to kill a whole lot of them while tanking multiple hits from the Cybermen's lasers, Torchwood's lasers and conventional firearms simultaneously. All those hits don't even go through the shields, let alone the armour. What exactly are the Xenomorphs supposed to do, especially, as others have noted, even if they could somehow penetrate the shields, the armour is thick and acid-resistant? Never mind the fact that the Dalek could simply fly above them and shoot at them with impunity, or that the Dalek's primary weapons can be set to simply kill a target without causing a mess.
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Re: (Doctor Who) Daleks VS Aliens (Alien)

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As for water - even as far back as The Dalek Invasion of Earth, we see Daleks casually travelling under the Thames (which made for a really cool scene, BTW, as it emerged from the water and everyone is crapping their collective pants).
And if something can survive prolonger periods travelling under the Thames...

I really can't see anyway at all that the Xenomorphs could win this. They literally have no way to hurt the Dalek. The Dalek could literally go to sleep and sit there, safe and secure in its shell.

Someone mentioned the Daleks using other species. The only example that springs to mind is the Ogrons, who were big and really stupid. That didn't work terribly well and it would seem that after the time of the 3rd Doctor, they stopped doing that sort of thing. They seemed to have then used robot/genetic duplicates of beings they captured.
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One thing I think worth mentioning is that the Daleks have exhibited massive technological jumps throughout their history.
They start off as weapons in the Skaro civil war, the greatest invention of Davros.
The Daleks win this war and end up fighting the Thals, who are rag tag rebels. It seems at this point the Daleks haven't even left Skaro.
The Daleks spread out into space and quickly become a notable power as seen in The Daleks Masterplan - by which time they well and truly have Time Travel tech. Their defeat reduces them a bit and they take a more subtle role as seen in various 3rd Doctor tales such as Planet of the Daleks. Though in Day of the Daleks they have total control of Earth.

Genesis of the Daleks has the Time Lords stating that one day the Daleks could rise up and be the ultimate power in the Universe, so the Doctor sets their development back 1000 years. This is the opening shot of the Dalek/Time Lord conflict, really.

The Daleks get involved in a war against the Movelleans (spelling?!) which is a stalemate for a considerable time, though the Daleks end up winning obviously.

Then the only thing that really holds the Daleks back is their own civil war between Pro and Anti Davros factions. This war lasts to and beyond Remembrance of the Daleks. This civil war really totals Dalek tech and advancement. It's here where we see a Dalek defeated by being pushed out of a window.

At some point, and it's not really clear when, the Daleks declare war on the Time Lords and reality gets absolutely hammered by the fallout.
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