Animated Firefly teaser (fan film).

[The Romulan Republic]

From the same guy who made that animated Buffy trailer a while back. He's also done similar things for Doctor Who and Batman vs Superman.

Firefly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amse6MX0_Ck

Only a fan film, alas...

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate and I still wish this was real.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

The animation style puts me in mind of Genndy Tartakovsky's Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated shorts and Samurai Jack.

Very well done; it has me wanting more, just as a teaser should.

[Adam Reynolds]

From the same guy who made that animated Buffy trailer a while back. He's also done similar things for Doctor Who and Batman vs Superman.

Firefly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amse6MX0_Ck

Only a fan film, alas...

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate and I still wish this was real.

The reason so many consider Firefly cherished is because it ended due to circumstances that were not entirely fair. This left fans with a sense that it never reached its potential. It also has the advantage that unlike other Joss Whedon series, it ended before he could begin tormenting the heroes fully.

Though personally I prefer the movie Serenity to the TV series, and actually saw it first.

[Iroscato]

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate

YOUR FACE IS OVERRATED!!!

Sorry, Firefly is kind of a sacred cow for me. This does look intriguing though - I wonder how the voice acting will hold up...

[Elheru Aran]

Firefly is... interesting. It obviously had a lot of potential, but for some reason it's very polarizing. People either really, really like it a lot, or they don't care for it at all. Like my wife. She thinks 'Western in SPAAACE' is a dumb notion.

[Crazedwraith]

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate

YOUR FACE IS OVERRATED!!!

Sorry, Firefly is kind of a sacred cow for me. This does look intriguing though - I wonder how the voice acting will hold up...

What voice acting? I'm pretty sure this teaser is the entirety of the fan-film.

[Elheru Aran]

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate

YOUR FACE IS OVERRATED!!!

Sorry, Firefly is kind of a sacred cow for me. This does look intriguing though - I wonder how the voice acting will hold up...

What voice acting? I'm pretty sure this teaser is the entirety of the fan-film.

Ditto, I've seen as much indicated elsewhere. While it looks OK (a few rough bits here and there) Fox would almost certainly stomp hard on any attempt to make anything more than a minute or two of film. They have it in for Firefly so much that they even send cease-and-desists to people knitting Jayne caps...

[Esquire]

That seems... unusually petty, even for Fox. Which is a sentence I didn't expect to need to use today, or ever.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

From the same guy who made that animated Buffy trailer a while back. He's also done similar things for Doctor Who and Batman vs Superman.

Firefly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amse6MX0_Ck

Only a fan film, alas...

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate and I still wish this was real.

The reason so many consider Firefly cherished is because it ended due to circumstances that were not entirely fair. This left fans with a sense that it never reached its potential. It also has the advantage that unlike other Joss Whedon series, it ended before he could begin tormenting the heroes fully.

Though personally I prefer the movie Serenity to the TV series, and actually saw it first.

I liked Firefly, because it was plain tale told plainly, with characters I could relate to. Especially Mal.

(too bad Nathan Fillion was such a first-class prick in Asshole, I mean Castle, though)

[Elheru Aran]

That seems... unusually petty, even for Fox. Which is a sentence I didn't expect to need to use today, or ever.

Mind you I don't know all the details, whether they were selling the caps or not (I do think some were, but I'm pretty sure some weren't, and some were only sharing knitting patterns or something like that). From what I recall Fox is a big part of the reason why there's almost no official Firefly prop replicas out there.

[The Romulan Republic]

I mean, I actually consider Firefly overrate

YOUR FACE IS OVERRATED!!!

Sorry, Firefly is kind of a sacred cow for me. This does look intriguing though - I wonder how the voice acting will hold up...

Its not a real series, just a fan teaser. I did try to make that clear. But I don't blame anyone for wishing it was more.

But if someone did decide to do a Firefly animated series (someone with resources and permission, I mean), I don't doubt you could get most of the original cast back in a heartbeat. They all came back for that Firefly Online game that seems to be in a perpetual holding pattern, and they all (Fillion and Baldwin especially) seem to love the show.

As to Firefly... I like it. I just don't think its quite as amazing as its hardcore fans think. And some of the episodes are certainly stronger than others (Jaynestown is my personal favourite, though War Stories and Heart of Gold are probably up there).

I'm actually in much the same situation as Adam Reynolds- I saw the movie first (first Whedon thing I ever watched, I think), and while it doesn't gell perfectly with the series, I actually prefer it overall. I'd actually rate the movie as arguably Whedon's greatest masterpiece (though their are a couple Buffy episodes that are up there).

I liked Firefly, because it was plain tale told plainly, with characters I could relate to. Especially Mal.

(too bad Nathan Fillion was such a first-class prick in Asshole, I mean Castle, though)

I keep seeing people badmouth Fillion over Castle, but as I never followed that series very closely, I have no idea what the hell happened.

He always seemed like a decent person to me. And certainly a very good actor. Not just for Mal- his villain role on Buffy the Vampire Slayer's seventh season was one of the series' most memorable for a second-tier character.

[Adam Reynolds]

I keep seeing people badmouth Fillion over Castle, but as I never followed that series very closely, I have no idea what the hell happened.

He always seemed like a decent person to me. And certainly a very good actor. Not just for Mal- his villain role on Buffy the Vampire Slayer's seventh season was one of the series' most memorable for a second-tier character.

Part of it is annoyance by Firefly fans that Castle succeeded where Firefly failed. I actually enjoyed Castle a great deal, as it is a generally fun take on the mystery genre. It's not as clever as a proper mystery novel, but is usually much more lighthearted and thus pleasant to watch. Though the later seasons definitely lost something, suffering from the curse of Moonlighting and creative fatigue.

It is also the fact that Richard Castle the character is something of a lovable jackass, insufferable due to the way he flouts both his intelligence and wealth. He also has the distinction of being one of the few "detectives" who answers the phone call that there has been a murder with a smile.

[The Romulan Republic]

That seems... unusually petty, even for Fox. Which is a sentence I didn't expect to need to use today, or ever.

Mind you I don't know all the details, whether they were selling the caps or not (I do think some were, but I'm pretty sure some weren't, and some were only sharing knitting patterns or something like that). From what I recall Fox is a big part of the reason why there's almost no official Firefly prop replicas out there.

I mean... is Fox trying to get bad PR?

Prosecuted innocuous non-profit fan projects always seems so utterly daft and counter productive.

[Crazedwraith]

I keep seeing people badmouth Fillion over Castle, but as I never followed that series very closely, I have no idea what the hell happened.

He always seemed like a decent person to me. And certainly a very good actor. Not just for Mal- his villain role on Buffy the Vampire Slayer's seventh season was one of the series' most memorable for a second-tier character.

Part of it is annoyance by Firefly fans that Castle succeeded where Firefly failed. I actually enjoyed Castle a great deal, as it is a generally fun take on the mystery genre. It's not as clever as a proper mystery novel, but is usually much more lighthearted and thus pleasant to watch. Though the later seasons definitely lost something, suffering from the curse of Moonlighting and creative fatigue.

It is also the fact that Richard Castle the character is something of a lovable jackass, insufferable due to the way he flouts both his intelligence and wealth. He also has the distinction of being one of the few "detectives" who answers the phone call that there has been a murder with a smile.

I don't know what UP Cinnabar is referring to. But I've not seen much complaining that Fillion did Castle. I have seen a lot of rumours that he's an entitled jackass and prima donna on the set of the Castle though. And that he greatly disliked and bullied his co-star Stana Katic and that in negotiations for the never to be 9th (10th?) Season he insist the two male backup detectives had to be kept on and that Katic shouldn't be.

I can't speak to the accuracy of said rumours. But them along with Adam Baldwin's comments on same sex marriage remind it's best not to find out too much about the actors and just enjoy watching shows.

[U.P. Cinnabar]

I have seen a lot of rumours that he's an entitled jackass and prima donna on the set of the Castle though. And that he greatly disliked and bullied his co-star Stana Katic and that in negotiations for the never to be 9th (10th?) Season he insist the two male backup detectives had to be kept on and that Katic shouldn't be.

^This, to answer Rom's question. And, Stana Katic herself said, in interviews at the time*, this was the case, and that Fillion's meddling led to ABC firing her(and Tamala Jones), which led to the fans not being happy about that, which finally led to the network wisely scrapping the entire show.

Though it did end very well indeed, and, overall, the series was pretty good. I just...couldn't stand Rick Asshole. I liked Ryan and Esposito, especially how the show's creators devloped them over time, rather than simply use them as bookends. I loved Lanie, loved all the other characters, especially Beckett, but Rick was a jackass, and not a loveable one either. He was like JAG's Harmon Rabb, if that prick had had a mental age of six instead of twelve.**

But, in the end, it's just my opinion, so take it for what it is.

*Fillion and she have since patched things up.

**My mom loved to watch JAG, just to hate Harm's guts.

[Elheru Aran]

That seems... unusually petty, even for Fox. Which is a sentence I didn't expect to need to use today, or ever.

Mind you I don't know all the details, whether they were selling the caps or not (I do think some were, but I'm pretty sure some weren't, and some were only sharing knitting patterns or something like that). From what I recall Fox is a big part of the reason why there's almost no official Firefly prop replicas out there.

I mean... is Fox trying to get bad PR?

Prosecuted innocuous non-profit fan projects always seems so utterly daft and counter productive.

*shrugs* it's Fox.

Upon further review, apparently what happened (this was back in 2012-13) was that there were a lot of Firefly fans pitching their Jayne hats via marketplaces like Etsy. Then ThinkGeek started selling an *officially licensed* hat, and suddenly Fox brought the hammer down on all the fans.

It was one of those cases where they were within their rights to do so... but kinda came off as huge jerks for it. What the fans were doing wasn't necessarily 'non-profit' (though as far as I know nobody made any real money on those hats)... there were no licensed hats available at the time... and in theory Fox *could* have shut them down from day one rather than waiting till an official prop replica came out. There are also official replicas of Mal's gun, maybe his jacket (IIRC), also a replica of Jayne's gun. But I'm pretty sure most (90%? 95%?) of the prop replicas out there are fan-made.

[The Romulan Republic]

Mind you I don't know all the details, whether they were selling the caps or not (I do think some were, but I'm pretty sure some weren't, and some were only sharing knitting patterns or something like that). From what I recall Fox is a big part of the reason why there's almost no official Firefly prop replicas out there.

I mean... is Fox trying to get bad PR?

Prosecuted innocuous non-profit fan projects always seems so utterly daft and counter productive.

*shrugs* it's Fox.

Upon further review, apparently what happened (this was back in 2012-13) was that there were a lot of Firefly fans pitching their Jayne hats via marketplaces like Etsy. Then ThinkGeek started selling an *officially licensed* hat, and suddenly Fox brought the hammer down on all the fans.

It was one of those cases where they were within their rights to do so... but kinda came off as huge jerks for it. What the fans were doing wasn't necessarily 'non-profit' (though as far as I know nobody made any real money on those hats)... there were no licensed hats available at the time... and in theory Fox *could* have shut them down from day one rather than waiting till an official prop replica came out. There are also official replicas of Mal's gun, maybe his jacket (IIRC), also a replica of Jayne's gun. But I'm pretty sure most (90%? 95%?) of the prop replicas out there are fan-made.

That sounds a lot like the Axanar Star Trek case, from what I've been reading in the thread over in the Star Trek forum.

They turn a blind eye to a lot of things until some jackass crosses a really blatant, major line, then collectively punish the fandom.

[Sea Skimmer]

The reason so many consider Firefly cherished is because it ended due to circumstances that were not entirely fair. This left fans with a sense that it never reached its potential.

You could say that about a billion other cancelled series too. But the problem is the firefly fans can't accept that somehow, other people did not and do not so easily head over heals fall in love with the cast, which is what the series more or less demanded you do. The creator was not shy about talking about this either. Over produced might not be a fair way to put it, particularly since it had a limited budget, but it was that kind of problem. Probably not helped by it already being the creators second go at 'creating a crew' after Aliens 4. And no, airing out of order does not explain anything, nor is that unique problem in broadcast TV anyway.

I think the movie also only made this worse fandom wise, as it gave them false hope and made them only rave worse about how unfair it was....while failing to recognize that the movie bombed and rarely does a 1 season cancelled series get a damn movie at all.

[Rogue 9]

That sounds a lot like the Axanar Star Trek case, from what I've been reading in the thread over in the Star Trek forum.

They turn a blind eye to a lot of things until some jackass crosses a really blatant, major line, then collectively punish the fandom.

Not the same at all. ThinkGeek's product was actually officially licensed and is still for sale; what they did was hold off until there was an official replica and then drop the hammer. No one crossed a particularly bright line compared what they'd been doing before at the time of the C&Ds.

As for Axanar, it's starting to look like what happened is CBS used their crowdfunding success as free market research, if what's circulating about the new Discovery series is true (namely that it's set during the Klingon war). After all, they had loads of time to shut down Axanar, but waited until they'd announced their series first. The fact that Horizon was the only other fanfilm to get legal attention from them is no coincidence (their ship was named Discovery).

[Sea Skimmer]

As for Axanar, it's starting to look like what happened is CBS used their crowdfunding success as free market research, if what's circulating about the new Discovery series is true (namely that it's set during the Klingon war). After all, they had loads of time to shut down Axanar, but waited until they'd announced their series first. The fact that Horizon was the only other fanfilm to get legal attention from them is no coincidence (their ship was named Discovery).

It's known that JJ Abrams was making a big stink against CBS lawyers to stop them from going after fan films in the run up to Into Darkness, so I'm not sure this logic is really sound. It may simply be that it took time for his internal influence to fade. Anyway I really see no way to defend a 'fan film' that was at the point of wishing to physically own a building and paying its top guy a 38,000 dollar salary. Anyway nothing about this is nearly as bad or blatant as ripping off the B5 pitch to make DS9, but nobody gives a damn about that now either.