Anakin vs. Ranma

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-04-06 10:47pm

In an attempt to give an Anakin vs. argument which isn't automatically intended for one sides victory(no, honest!), and which can be backed up with something resembling stats(on the Ranma side anyway, I've yet to see people quantify how far Anakin can see into the future,).
Ranma from end of series, why not, if enough people bitch I'll regress him
Fight 1 barehanded
Fight 2 both with lightsabers(Ranma gets 30 minutes to practice)
Fight three Ranma Barehanded, Anakin with lightsaber(handicap match,)
Ranma stats:
Strength; able to hurl 5 ton boulders as projectile weapons convincinglyat the end so easily his rivals are surprised when the impact of one hurts an enemy
At the beginning of the series able to lift one-handed, in his less-muscular female form(and jump thirtyish feet with) an umbrella that two average teenagers couldn't get off the ground
Durability; able to take a solid shot to the ribs from a bokken that effortlessly sliced through concrete(by effortlessly I mean that it didn't noticeably slow down on its way through), and high speed impacts into concrete, and continue on to win fights. One season later he casually blocked that same bokken with his forearm and broke it.
Endurance; able to fight all night against his main rival before engaging in a challenge the next day that lasted an hour against a master(mistress really) of the style(he won too)
Speed; near the beginning of the series able to throw approx. 10 punches a second for at least a minute while getting constantly hit, by the end of the second season difficult to quantify, able to catch a tank full of pirahna barehanded without injury, grab roasting chestnuts out of a bonfire, knock an entire angry hive of bees out of the air without being stung, and punch someone repeatedly in the same spot making it look like a single punch to an outside observer. Towards the end of the series unknown except faster than that.
Special Abilities: Firing energy blasts, creating tornados from a standing start, sight-based invisibility, jumping very high with incredible hang-time

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-04-07 09:42am

Ranma would crush Anakin in fights 1. 2 is iffy becuase 30 min is such a short time. Give him a night and he will prob be better with it then Anakin is (He has outlearned Kodachi on the rythmtic gynamist stlye of fighting which she paticed all her life).
Round three is the most iffy. Depends if Ranma's superhuman speed is faster the couple of secounds headstart Jedi precog would give Anakin. Consdiering fights like the first one with Kuno where he wrote kanji on his head and Konu didn't feel it. Or the skating match where he got off three hundred punches in a few seconds time. And this is before high speed training.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-07 01:36pm

Yes, Ranma is indeed tougher, but let's remember this is not all about power but about the way to use it, Ranma can pull his cheesnuts trick, wich would make him throw punches much faster than anakin can stop, he also has his Dragon Heaven Blast that lets him use his enemy's anger to create an energy vortex and blast him away, and this is perhaps his most powerfull weapon (He defeated Kunou, Moose, Happosai and the principal all at the same time with a blast, they all passed out, exept for Happosai, but it appears that the attack hurt him). So when anakin can't control his anger and starts attacking frenetically (like he attacked Dooku)Ranma will use his own energy to blast him. So, Ranma defeats Anakin.

But lets consider something else, Ranma vs. Vader (Anakin with far more experience), here the situation changes. Vader can control his toughts (yes, Ranma might be a great fighter, but he sure doesn't look too strong minded to me) and stop him from fighting, then slaught him. Or he could choke him telekinetically a great distance away by just knowing where he is, and that would be easy for Vader, because somebody with Ranma's power must create a big vergence in the force.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-04-07 04:49pm

Ranma seems strong willed to me. He can chicken out but thats dealing with girls that I've seen. How many times has he simply not given in no matter what in fights? The movies are great examples of this and of ranma defeating a mind trick (Albeit illusions instead of mind control.)
The thing with force choking is if it can overcome ranma's toughness. He has been pushed thru a volcano before. And even the weaknest of the main marital artists characters can punch and break concrete without breaking their skin.
And tracking someone though the force is to my knowledge only really relaibe if you know the person or he makes a distrubance in the force with force powers, even powerful beings in the force do not just pulse it off all the time, only in close precimty or very powerful manipulations of the force. And we do not know if ranma 1/2 chi enery could be felt in the force like another force user anyway.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-07 06:14pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:Ranma seems strong willed to me. He can chicken out but thats dealing with girls that I've seen. How many times has he simply not given in no matter what in fights? The movies are great examples of this and of ranma defeating a mind trick (Albeit illusions instead of mind control.)
The thing with force choking is if it can overcome ranma's toughness. He has been pushed thru a volcano before. And even the weaknest of the main marital artists characters can punch and break concrete without breaking their skin.
And tracking someone though the force is to my knowledge only really relaibe if you know the person or he makes a distrubance in the force with force powers, even powerful beings in the force do not just pulse it off all the time, only in close precimty or very powerful manipulations of the force. And we do not know if ranma 1/2 chi enery could be felt in the force like another force user anyway.

You might be right about his will. You got a good point. He Might be silly, but he's got a really strong will.

Well, actually, as far as I have read, all energies are binded to the force (Obi Wan: It's an energy field created by all living things. It sorround us and penetrate us. It binds the galaxy together). Since Ranma's chi is the force of his life I'd say that it is the same thing than The Force, or the Ki in Dragon Ball, it is simply focused differently. The Jedi teach to use the field created by all life forms, in Ranma and Dragon Ball they teach to use one self force without using everyone else's, but it is still a part of that field (A good example is Goku's genkidama, he uses the living force of all living beigns). So my guess is that The Force and the Chi are the same but used differently.

As for why I think all energies are linked, well in a Classic Starwars comic (I don't remember it's number, but I'll let you know it as far as I find it. It's from Dark Horse Comics) The rebell alliancehas to send all of it's fleet really near to an unstable star to escape an imperial blockade, the main problem is that it is impossible to know ben it's going to release bursts (this happens short after the battle of Yavin, when Luke's knowledge of the force is minimum), so Luke starts concentrating and is able to tell the fleet when the bursts are going to happen and they escape. So if such an energy can be felt by a guy with minimum knowledge of the Force, something so similar to the Force as it is the Chi must be easy to feel by an experienced Sith.

As for the choking, he doesn't need to actually choke him, he just needs to stop air from coming into his lungs. Besides, Wev'e seen Yoda lifting an X-Wing with his mind, Dooku and vader throwing really big things to their enemies telekinetically, this including rocks and really big machines (In AOTC Dooku tears appart pieces of the ROCK ceiling to throw them to Yoda). In the Jedi Academy books Luke's apprentices use their TK to push SD's away. I think this gives them the powar to choke pretty much everyone.

So my opinion remains the same: Ranma defeats Anakin, but Vader defeats Ranma.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-04-08 08:15am

I'm having problems posting and lost my reply, I'll try again later today.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2003-04-08 07:36pm

Stopping the air to his lungs isn't automatically going to drop Ranma, remember "Did you seriously think that knocking me unconscious, sealing me in concrete and burying me underground was going to slow me down?"(said to Happosai while jump-kicking him while still mostly encased in concrete.)

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-09 12:55am

Kodachi is one of the weakest fighters of Ranma cast and HE can not learn techniques if few hours or anything close to that , even when Cologne teaches him. He is good about fighting back with the Anything Goes because that techniques adapt quite easily.

Other thing, Ranma fighting style have no defense but running from weapons. He would always have problem to fight a saber and use it.
And he is for sure not strong-willed. He is easily deceived and manipulated by Shampoo and Ukyou and they only need to use food. Nabiki then...He often fall to spells and provocations. The Jedi have all the advantage here.

And the Dragon attack wont work on Anakin, if he he starts to hit like crazy and ranma stops to use the technique, Anakin will just slice ranma. Anakin does not need to run around Ranma like the techniques asks because he uses a saber.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-09 04:15am

Kodachi is one of the weakest fighters of Ranma cast and HE can not learn techniques if few hours or anything close to that , even when Cologne teaches him. He is good about fighting back with the Anything Goes because that techniques adapt quite easily.

Gee he seemed to pick up Martial Arts Rythmic Gymnastics pretty quick.

Other thing, Ranma fighting style have no defense but running from weapons. He would always have problem to fight a saber and use it.

Yes you see most bare-handed styles think it's a good idea to not let yourself get hit by the other guy's sword. Being used to dodging is a rather good idea when you're dealing with something like a lightsaber.

And he is for sure not strong-willed. He is easily deceived and manipulated by Shampoo and Ukyou and they only need to use food.

Lets see, spends most of his life on the road with his deadbeat father having to steal most of his food.. gee I wonder why he would accept a free meal. And Ukyo is a childhood friend remember, why would he turn down a meal from a friend again? (Particularly since she doesn't drug them like Shampoo and they aren't toxic like Akane's cooking).

Nabiki then...

Quite possibly his future sister-in-law who puts up with all the damage he does to the dojo and pays for most of it to, gee I wonder why he might feel he owes her something.

He often fall to spells and provocations.

Care to quantify and show how anakin's force manipulations are stronger? And it takes quite a bit of willpower to be able to go after something like Saffron or Herb.

And the Dragon attack wont work on Anakin,

Really, Anakin's temper control never struck me as much.. and ooh he's waving around a big thermal weapon to.

if he he starts to hit like crazy and ranma stops to use the technique, Anakin will just slice ranma. Anakin does not need to run around Ranma like the techniques asks because he uses a saber.

Uh except Ranma has more than one version of the Hiryu Shoten Ha, including a horizontal one (I haven't seen the OAV for that one but it would be interesting to see him make the spiral for it.. if he has to) and we've also seen him use it without making the spiral when he fought Kirin in 'Big Trouble in Nekonron China'

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-04-09 08:41am

ANGELUS wrote:
You might be right about his will. You got a good point. He Might be silly, but he's got a really strong will.

Well, actually, as far as I have read, all energies are binded to the force (Obi Wan: It's an energy field created by all living things. It sorround us and penetrate us. It binds the galaxy together). Since Ranma's chi is the force of his life I'd say that it is the same thing than The Force, or the Ki in Dragon Ball, it is simply focused differently. The Jedi teach to use the field created by all life forms, in Ranma and Dragon Ball they teach to use one self force without using everyone else's, but it is still a part of that field (A good example is Goku's genkidama, he uses the living force of all living beigns). So my guess is that The Force and the Chi are the same but used differently.

As for why I think all energies are linked, well in a Classic Starwars comic (I don't remember it's number, but I'll let you know it as far as I find it. It's from Dark Horse Comics) The rebell alliancehas to send all of it's fleet really near to an unstable star to escape an imperial blockade, the main problem is that it is impossible to know ben it's going to release bursts (this happens short after the battle of Yavin, when Luke's knowledge of the force is minimum), so Luke starts concentrating and is able to tell the fleet when the bursts are going to happen and they escape. So if such an energy can be felt by a guy with minimum knowledge of the Force, something so similar to the Force as it is the Chi must be easy to feel by an experienced Sith.

As for the choking, he doesn't need to actually choke him, he just needs to stop air from coming into his lungs. Besides, Wev'e seen Yoda lifting an X-Wing with his mind, Dooku and vader throwing really big things to their enemies telekinetically, this including rocks and really big machines (In AOTC Dooku tears appart pieces of the ROCK ceiling to throw them to Yoda). In the Jedi Academy books Luke's apprentices use their TK to push SD's away. I think this gives them the powar to choke pretty much everyone.

So my opinion remains the same: Ranma defeats Anakin, but Vader defeats Ranma.

I see your point and its very convincing. My main problems however are:
A. We do not know enought about the Force enought to predict how exactly it would interact with Chi. We do not know for sure thats its lifeforce even, and would Ranma's over abundance of it make him light up on Force senses, or prehaps short circuit Vaders powers when used on Ranma? Who knows.

B. A energy pulse from a unstable star is different than a superhuman, using Jedi senses over a distance has always been (at least to me) an iffy thing becuase we do not know what can be seansed or not. Add in the fact that planets and force users can mess up Force senses of Jedi and we really have no idea what can be sensed by who in the movies or EU.

But if he can TK or otherwise use a Force power on Ranma he will win. However I belive that is going to take a while on Ranma's superhuman endurance and if he has too get in close to use them then Ranma would probaly survive long enought to put the hurting on Vader. Though Vader force attacking and using the lightsaber to hold off a weaponless Ranma has a very good chance of wining (Though I'll still bet on Ranma).

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-09 06:13pm

lgot wrote:Kodachi is one of the weakest fighters of Ranma cast and HE can not learn techniques if few hours or anything close to that , even when Cologne teaches him. He is good about fighting back with the Anything Goes because that techniques adapt quite easily.

He learned Kodachi's style in one night, it doesn't matter if she's weak or not, if you have ever trained martial arts you must know that it usually takes years or even decades to master a style. Kodachi was the best at her fighting technique and Ranma became better than her even after all her years of experience by just training one night. He also learned the cheesnuts trick, the Dragon heaven blast, Ryoga's lion blast and it's counterpart the tiger blast in a few days. I don't get why you say he cant learn that fast.

lgot wrote:Other thing, Ranma fighting style have no defense but running from weapons. He would always have problem to fight a saber and use it.

Sure thing bud! if someone attacks you with a weapon you usually run away from it, DON'T YOU? The fact that he doesn't stand to stop weapons doesn't make him weak, it makes him clever. If someone attacks him with a sword he won't try to stop it with his hands, he'll simply duck!

lgot wrote:And he is for sure not strong-willed. He is easily deceived and manipulated by Shampoo and Ukyou and they only need to use food. Nabiki then...He often fall to spells and provocations. The Jedi have all the advantage here.

As it was said before, he usually goes shy when it comes to girls, but the fact that he'll preffer to die rather tan stop fighting definitely shows that he's got a mayor will. When he met Cologne and she used that cat trick on him that makes him uncapable of touching hot watter, he goes after her to the chinesse restaurant and is attacked by her with illusions that he easilly overcomes.

lgot wrote:And the Dragon attack wont work on Anakin, if he he starts to hit like crazy and ranma stops to use the technique, Anakin will just slice ranma. Anakin does not need to run around Ranma like the techniques asks because he uses a saber.

If Ranma is running for the sabre not to touch him Anakin will definitelly run after him, won't he?besides Ranma can duck and jump while making the spiral as long as he completes it, and since he can move much faster than Anakin can attack with his sabre he will have no trouble to complete it. And as it was said, In Big trouble in Nekonron China he didn't even have to do the spiral.

So Ranma beats Anakin.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-09 06:25pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:I see your point and its very convincing. My main problems however are:
A. We do not know enought about the Force enought to predict how exactly it would interact with Chi. We do not know for sure thats its lifeforce even, and would Ranma's over abundance of it make him light up on Force senses, or prehaps short circuit Vaders powers when used on Ranma? Who knows.

Not me, guess we'll never know.

Darth_Shinji wrote:B. A energy pulse from a unstable star is different than a superhuman, using Jedi senses over a distance has always been (at least to me) an iffy thing becuase we do not know what can be seansed or not. Add in the fact that planets and force users can mess up Force senses of Jedi and we really have no idea what can be sensed by who in the movies or EU.

It just seems logical that a superhuman can sense superhumans. But again' I guess we'll never know.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-09 06:28pm

consequences wrote:Stopping the air to his lungs isn't automatically going to drop Ranma, remember "Did you seriously think that knocking me unconscious, sealing me in concrete and burying me underground was going to slow me down?"(said to Happosai while jump-kicking him while still mostly encased in concrete.)

Well, I'm not an expert in medicine, you know. But last time I checked humans needed oxygen to survive.
Ranma's endurance will give make him stand longer, but at the end he'll die.

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-10 02:50am

Gee he seemed to pick up Martial Arts Rythmic Gymnastics pretty quick.

Just he did not. He learned a few steps then used his own techniques to fight there.
Martial Arts Rythimic Gymnastics is a pretty much weaker technique.

Yes you see most bare-handed styles think it's a good idea to not let yourself get hit by the other guy's sword. Being used to dodging is a rather good idea when you're dealing with something like a lightsaber.

Oh, how smart. Just he can not defeat anyone running aways from Anakin. Fighting the saber will just put him in the defensive and never won.

Lets see, spends most of his life on the road with his deadbeat father having to steal most of his food.. gee I wonder why he would accept a free meal. And Ukyo is a childhood friend remember, why would he turn down a meal from a friend again? (Particularly since she doesn't drug them like Shampoo and they aren't toxic like Akane's cooking).

False, He also accepts it from Shampoo, who is not his long date friend. He does not need much food, because he is a host in Kasumi's house. And watever his childhood as, did not helped him, ever to develop a strong will when foods come about.

Quite possibly his future sister-in-law who puts up with all the damage he does to the dojo and pays for most of it to, gee I wonder why he might feel he owes her something.

Invention. NEVER in any place they ever stated the Tendo's family income coming from anything. Actually, following the (lack of) logic of Ranmaverse, they do not care about this.

Care to quantify and show how anakin's force manipulations are stronger? And it takes quite a bit of willpower to be able to go after something like Saffron or Herb.

Hah, this is a joke. Ranma was controlled by mere words. Anyone just need to touch his ego and he will run for it: Reversal Jewel Story Arc. Cologne just needed a few words and he almost got married with Shampoo.

Really, Anakin's temper control never struck me as much.. and ooh he's waving around a big thermal weapon to.

Anakin is quite nervous, for a jedi. He is much more under control than Happosai or Ryouga.

Uh except Ranma has more than one version of the Hiryu Shoten Ha, including a horizontal one (I haven't seen the OAV for that one but it would be interesting to see him make the spiral for it.. if he has to) and we've also seen him use it without making the spiral when he fought Kirin in 'Big Trouble in Nekonron China'

Yuck, Big Trouble is not canonical mess up with ranma characters...

Angelus:

Kodachi was the best at her fighting technique and Ranma became better than her even after all her years of experience by just training one night. He also learned the cheesnuts trick, the Dragon heaven blast, Ryoga's lion blast and it's counterpart the tiger blast in a few days.

I am so glady that a few days is not 30 minutes...

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-10 03:01am

lgot wrote: Just he did not. He learned a few steps then used his own techniques to fight there.
Martial Arts Rythimic Gymnastics is a pretty much weaker technique.

In case you missed it he was using all the weapons you know.

Oh, how smart. Just he can not defeat anyone running aways from Anakin. Fighting the saber will just put him in the defensive and never won.

So you think it's smarter for him to try and block a sword or in this case lightsaber with his bare arm? Because that's certainly what it looks like you're saying by calling dodging stupid.

False, He also accepts it from Shampoo, who is not his long date friend.

Gee then you'd think it was relatively obvious I was referring to Ukyo who is his longtime friend. And he accepts free food from Shampoo.. so what? I accept food from people I know all the time, does that mean I'm weak-minded in regards to food?

He does not need much food, because he is a host in Kasumi's house.

Lets ignore the fact that his father routinely trys to steal his food at the dinner table.

And watever his childhood as, did not helped him, ever to develop a strong will when foods come about.

Accepting food from good cooks you know doesn't mean one has a weak will. Besides last time I checked there wasn't much that indicated Anakin was a good chef or would be hauling along a full meal for his opponent in this match.

Invention. NEVER in any place they ever stated the Tendo's family income coming from anything.

I hate to tell you this but they have to pay for repairs, doctor's bills, food, water, and school supplies somehow. Akane doesn't have a job, Kasumi doesn't have a job, Ranma doesn't have a job, Genma only briefly had a job, Soun is never mentioned to be taking on students, Happosai for sure doesn't have one. Nabiki is the only person in that house we ever hear about making any money. Or shall we believe magic pixies deliver it during the night?

Hah, this is a joke. Ranma was controlled by mere words.

And Anakin wasn't? I seem to recall Palpatine doing plenty of manipulating using words. Guess Anakin's weak willed.

Anyone just need to touch his ego and he will run for it: Reversal Jewel Story Arc.

Yep and look how Anakin turned out when Palpatine started stroking his ego.

Cologne just needed a few words and he almost got married with Shampoo.

Forbidden fruit and all that.

Really, Anakin's temper control never struck me as much.. and ooh he's waving around a big thermal weapon to.

Anakin is quite nervous, for a jedi. He is much more under control than Happosai or Ryouga.

Uh except Ranma has more than one version of the Hiryu Shoten Ha, including a horizontal one (I haven't seen the OAV for that one but it would be interesting to see him make the spiral for it.. if he has to) and we've also seen him use it without making the spiral when he fought Kirin in 'Big Trouble in Nekonron China'

Yuck, Big Trouble is not canonical mess up with ranma characters...

Angelus:

Kodachi was the best at her fighting technique and Ranma became better than her even after all her years of experience by just training one night. He also learned the cheesnuts trick, the Dragon heaven blast, Ryoga's lion blast and it's counterpart the tiger blast in a few days.

I am so glady that a few days is not 30 minutes...[/quote]

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-10 03:03am

Crap hit the reply button too soon.

Anakin is quite nervous, for a jedi. He is much more under control than Happosai or Ryouga.

Really? I don't recall any mention of Happosai or Ryoga going on a murderous rampage and slaughtering men women and children.

Yuck, Big Trouble is not canonical mess up with ranma characters...

I'd like you to provide a quote from an official source that it isn't canonical.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-04-10 03:03am

One thing everyone hasn't mentioned yet is Umisen, which is basically cloaking.

When Genma used the umi-sen, Soun couldn't feel the other's presence anymore. And Ranma couldn't see Genma come around him and hit him with hundreds of jabs, effectively defeating Ranma in that round.

So, if we assume the Force is related to chi in some way, then the Umisen-ken may play a big role in this.

It would be like Force-cloaking; hiding yourself from Force detection. I don't recall anything that indicates that Vader could survive a hundred powerful hits in a short amount of time.

Then there's stuff like the Shi-shi hokoudan and Yamasen-ken (if Ranma is assumed to have mastered this as well). One attack of the Yamasen could shatter a 20+ foot tall statue with a single hit.

There's lots of stuff up Ranma's sleeve.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-04-10 03:20am

Shinova wrote:One thing everyone hasn't mentioned yet is Umisen, which is basically cloaking.

When Genma used the umi-sen, Soun couldn't feel the other's presence anymore. And Ranma couldn't see Genma come around him and hit him with hundreds of jabs, effectively defeating Ranma in that round.

So, if we assume the Force is related to chi in some way, then the Umisen-ken may play a big role in this.

It would be like Force-cloaking; hiding yourself from Force detection. I don't recall anything that indicates that Vader could survive a hundred powerful hits in a short amount of time.

Then there's stuff like the Shi-shi hokoudan and Yamasen-ken (if Ranma is assumed to have mastered this as well). One attack of the Yamasen could shatter a 20+ foot tall statue with a single hit.

There's lots of stuff up Ranma's sleeve.

Shi-shi houkoudan is for Ryoga only. SSH gets its power from angst and depression in which Ryoga has certainly has a lot of. In the manga, Ranma tried learning the SSH but could'nt because he can never get too angsty or angry enough to form a ki-blast so Cologne taught him the Mokou-takabisha blast which gets it's power from Ranma's confidence.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-10 03:41am

I can't find my downloaded scans anywhere but I thought he came up with the Mouko Takabisha on his own (with a little advice from Cologne but she didn't give him an outright technique)

lgot · Post by **lgot** » 2003-04-10 03:46am

In case you missed it he was using all the weapons you know.

So ? He did not used then like Kodachi for example, He used it in his own way. He even, when later he have to fight againt a GYM competition complain about not even remembering it.

So you think it's smarter for him to try and block a sword or in this case lightsaber with his bare arm? Because that's certainly what it looks like you're saying by calling dodging stupid.

lets make it a fair debate. To do so you do not twist or invet things. I never said Dodge is stupid. I said it will not make him won. He will never won if the only thing he will do is dodging.

Gee then you'd think it was relatively obvious I was referring to Ukyo who is his longtime friend. And he accepts free food from Shampoo.. so what? I accept food from people I know all the time, does that mean I'm weak-minded in regards to food?

Gee, Then would be obvious that the excuse of accepting food because Ukyo is a close friend would not work, because he accept from Shampoo.
I think you know to little of this serie. He wants to avoid shampoo the best he can and she just needs is offer food to make him give up. EASILY manipulated.

Lets ignore the fact that his father routinely trys to steal his food at the dinner table.

yeah, because HE COULD easily steal the food of all tendo's family if he was that hungry.

Accepting food from good cooks you know doesn't mean one has a weak will. Besides last time I checked there wasn't much that indicated Anakin was a good chef or would be hauling along a full meal for his opponent in this match.

accepting food when it is a hook to get in places and companies you want to avoid shows how Ranma's strong will is not so strong.

I hate to tell you this but they have to pay for repairs, doctor's bills, food, water, and school supplies somehow. Akane doesn't have a job, Kasumi doesn't have a job, Ranma doesn't have a job, Genma only briefly had a job, Soun is never mentioned to be taking on students, Happosai for sure doesn't have one. Nabiki is the only person in that house we ever hear about making any money. Or shall we believe magic pixies deliver it during the night?

I hate to tell you but Nabiki has no job as well, in all series she never gave a cent to anyone and funny enough, everyone pay her blackmail, therefore they all have money also.
Do not invent, it does not exist in the manga or anime.

And Anakin wasn't? I seem to recall Palpatine doing plenty of manipulating using words. Guess Anakin's weak willed.

I am so glad that you remember it was Palpatine not Cologne, Nabiki, Shampoo or Genma that do that...

Forbidden fruit and all that.

So ? You only manipulated someone with a reason to fall for it. Giving the excuse Cologne used to manipulated Ranma only validates HE WAS easily manipulated.

Really? I don't recall any mention of Happosai or Ryoga going on a murderous rampage and slaughtering men women and children.

For many many reasons. There is no death and murderer in Ranma. Second Ryouga is full of rage and hatred for Ranma and have emotional break-down all the time. Happosai then is totally out of control. You assume being out of control is just murder and rage, but it is also falling under another emotions and Happosai is totally under control of His lust.

I'd like you to provide a quote from an official source that it isn't canonical.

LOL. You know little of this series and even less of what cannon means ?
CANNON FOR RANMA IS RUMIKO TAKAHASHI WORK. It is the manga. The Big Trouble series is anime-only, have no word of Rumiko and therefore is not cannon.

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-04-10 04:10am

The Tendo money problem is simple to solve...Nabiki sells photos of girl-type Ranma to Kuno who is willing (and stupid) enough to pay any price she says. It's in the manga where Ranma breaks Nabiki's money jar and photo's of her (for selling to Kuno) fly out. Now unless Nabiki has a thing for the girl-type Ranma, it is easy to say that those photo's were for selling to Kuno (who else?)

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-04-10 07:43am

While it is true when Ranma fights a good oppenent with a melee weapon he dodges and evades the melee weapon... As one would expect, he does beat said oppenent evantauly, usaly thru disarming and and then KOs. I'm specifical reminded at one of the earlier episodes where Ranma fights three melee weaponed armed thugs to rescue P-chan.

ANGELUS · Post by **ANGELUS** » 2003-04-10 09:50am

lgot wrote:
In case you missed it he was using all the weapons you know.
So ? He did not used then like Kodachi for example, He used it in his own way. He even, when later he have to fight againt a GYM competition complain about not even remembering it.

Because he had only used it once before, of course he wasn't in shape for it! the fact that he didn't REMEMBER means that it is something he used to KNOW and then forgot. And as far as I remember, no referi in any of both contests ever told him he was making a fault. So he was doing it the right way, therefore he knew the style ok.

lgot wrote:
So you think it's smarter for him to try and block a sword or in this case lightsaber with his bare arm? Because that's certainly what it looks like you're saying by calling dodging stupid.
lets make it a fair debate. To do so you do not twist or invet things. I never said Dodge is stupid. I said it will not make him won. He will never won if the only thing he will do is dodging.

Dodging has proven very useful when fighting Kunou, Moose, the warrior monk from Jusenkio and any other character attacking him with weapons. He's beaten all of them while escaping from their attacks. So, dodging will actually make him win. One of the main principles of martial arts is that you must stand your ground when necessary and move when necessary. If you have ever watched Tae Kwon Do contests you must have noticed that when the attacker throws a kick the atacked jumps away to escape from it and immediately jumps back while kicking. Most martial arts teach you to escape from the attacks rather than stopping them, this makes the fighters last longer.

lgot wrote:I am so glady that a few days is not 30 minutes...

so? it was never said that he would dominate the light sabre in 30 minutes, it was only said that he would have 30 minutes to practice. I even remember Darth Shinji asking to give him a whole night to practice because it was too little time. I don't get why you are complaining about a point that would give your precious Anakin an edge in that fight.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2003-04-10 10:00am

generator_g1 wrote:
Shinova wrote:One thing everyone hasn't mentioned yet is Umisen, which is basically cloaking.

When Genma used the umi-sen, Soun couldn't feel the other's presence anymore. And Ranma couldn't see Genma come around him and hit him with hundreds of jabs, effectively defeating Ranma in that round.

So, if we assume the Force is related to chi in some way, then the Umisen-ken may play a big role in this.

It would be like Force-cloaking; hiding yourself from Force detection. I don't recall anything that indicates that Vader could survive a hundred powerful hits in a short amount of time.

Then there's stuff like the Shi-shi hokoudan and Yamasen-ken (if Ranma is assumed to have mastered this as well). One attack of the Yamasen could shatter a 20+ foot tall statue with a single hit.

There's lots of stuff up Ranma's sleeve.
Shi-shi houkoudan is for Ryoga only. SSH gets its power from angst and depression in which Ryoga has certainly has a lot of. In the manga, Ranma tried learning the SSH but could'nt because he can never get too angsty or angry enough to form a ki-blast so Cologne taught him the Mokou-takabisha blast which gets it's power from Ranma's confidence.

Actually, Ranma does know the Shishi Hokudan. He actually pulls it off once or twice in the arc, but doesn't use it for the reasons you stated.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-04-10 10:59am

lgot wrote: So ? He did not used then like Kodachi for example, He used it in his own way. He even, when later he have to fight againt a GYM competition complain about not even remembering it.

In case you forget the anything-goes is primarily an UNARMED STYLE.

lets make it a fair debate. To do so you do not twist or invet things. I never said Dodge is stupid. I said it will not make him won. He will never won if the only thing he will do is dodging.

As opposed to you ignoring and twisting things? Dodging weapons when you don't use them is smart, and there is this little thing called 'counter-attacking'. Why you think that if Ranma actually dodges the blows thrown at him he'll lose I can't comprehend.

Gee, Then would be obvious that the excuse of accepting food because Ukyo is a close friend would not work, because he accept from Shampoo.

Uh hardly. You see people can have different reasons for doing things.

I think you know to little of this serie. He wants to avoid shampoo the best he can and she just needs is offer food to make him give up. EASILY manipulated.

Maybe the fact he accepts food from her should tell you something. If he's taking free eats from her he obviously doesn't want to avoid her too badly now does he?

yeah, because HE COULD easily steal the food of all tendo's family if he was that hungry.

And why would he risk doing that when it could quite easily anger the family he's mooching off when he can do it to Ranma?

accepting food when it is a hook to get in places and companies you want to avoid shows how Ranma's strong will is not so strong.

If he's willing to accept food from somebody he's obviously not working too hard at avoiding them. In fact aside from her original appearance (when she still through Ranma was female) Ranma hasn't really ever made much in the way of an overt attempt to avoid Shampoo.

I hate to tell you but Nabiki has no job as well, in all series she never gave a cent to anyone and funny enough, everyone pay her blackmail, therefore they all have money also.

Nabiki may not have a legitimate job, she does have a rather good business though.

Do not invent, it does not exist in the manga or anime.

Then why don't you grace us with your explanation on how the Tendos keep their house?

I am so glad that you remember it was Palpatine not Cologne, Nabiki, Shampoo or Genma that do that...

Do you actually have a point to add here? Or are you just going to ignore the fact that anakin was manipulated easily with 'mere' words?

So ? You only manipulated someone with a reason to fall for it. Giving the excuse Cologne used to manipulated Ranma only validates HE WAS easily manipulated.

As was Anakin. Nevermind the fact he was actively chasing after Shampoo would seem to be contrary to the idea he was trying to avoid her now isn't it?

For many many reasons. There is no death and murderer in Ranma.

Right. Since there isn't that should tell you something about their control compared to Anakin's.

Second Ryouga is full of rage and hatred for Ranma and have emotional break-down all the time.

Ryouga does have a depression problem. However he's never gone off and killed anybody because of it now has he?

Happosai then is totally out of control. You assume being out of control is just murder and rage, but it is also falling under another emotions and Happosai is totally under control of His lust.

Please tell me you are not equating groping and panty-raids to multiple murder.

LOL. You know little of this series and even less of what cannon means ?
CANNON FOR RANMA IS RUMIKO TAKAHASHI WORK. It is the manga.

First of all its canon not cannon.

Secondly she does have to give the people making the show her okay for them to use her intellectual property to make a series. And since I haven't heard anything about her suing the people who made the Ranma 1/2 anime for copyright infringement I'd say its safe to assume she did give her approval which means the anime stands. Now do you actually have an official quote that says BTiNC is non-canon or are you just going to rant some more?