Cowboy Bebop Session 7 - How did Spike survive?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-01 11:15pm

Near the end of this session, Spike is in a vacuum for about twenty or so seconds, and survives. I was under the impression that humans couldn't survive for more than a few seconds in a vacuum; how does he do this?

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-06-01 11:24pm

Durran Korr wrote:Near the end of this session, Spike is in a vacuum for about twenty or so seconds, and survives. I was under the impression that humans couldn't survive for more than a few seconds in a vacuum; how does he do this?

Character shields, I suspect. Or poor research on the part of the writers.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-06-01 11:34pm

Actually, there was a thread about something like this before. A human can survive vacuum for more than just a few seconds I think. You can run a search about it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-01 11:47pm

A human in a vacuum will survive for as long as the oxygen in their blood lasts, you have to breath out and empty your lungs pronto to avoid any damage from the decompression.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-06-02 12:09am

Sea Skimmer wrote:A human in a vacuum will survive for as long as the oxygen in their blood lasts, you have to breath out and empty your lungs pronto to avoid any damage from the decompression.

Except Spike stuck plugs in his ears, then breathed deep and filled his lungs, then evac'ed himself.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-06-02 12:42am

Shinova wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:A human in a vacuum will survive for as long as the oxygen in their blood lasts, you have to breath out and empty your lungs pronto to avoid any damage from the decompression.
Except Spike stuck plugs in his ears, then breathed deep and filled his lungs, then evac'ed himself.

Blame that on bad research?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-02 12:43am

Well, it is possible that it wasn't a complete vacuum; it was an abandoned mine shaft, IIRC, and may have had some sort of atmosphere.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-02 12:44am

Durran Korr wrote:Near the end of this session, Spike is in a vacuum for about twenty or so seconds, and survives. I was under the impression that humans couldn't survive for more than a few seconds in a vacuum; how does he do this?

Logically there's no way he should have survived. It was just plain wrong.

All we can do is say he did some how.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-02 12:51am

Shinova wrote:
Except Spike stuck plugs in his ears, then breathed deep and filled his lungs, then evac'ed himself.

Okay, he should have drown in his own blood.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-02 12:59am

Durran Korr wrote:Well, it is possible that it wasn't a complete vacuum; it was an abandoned mine shaft, IIRC, and may have had some sort of atmosphere.

So little as to be negligable, if there's any at all. The mine shafts were open to space after all.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-06-02 01:01am

Stormbringer wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Well, it is possible that it wasn't a complete vacuum; it was an abandoned mine shaft, IIRC, and may have had some sort of atmosphere.
So little as to be negligable, if there's any at all. The mine shafts were open to space after all.

Well, come on, there's gotta be something that can explain how he survived. It's as good of an explanation as any.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-06-02 11:22am

taking a deep breath would be fine, but you have to exhale it all. I can't recall if he "held his breath" or not.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-02 11:23am

He could have survived provided he still had oxygen to stave off hypoxia for those precious seconds till he got to the rig (that whole episode reminds me of Space Truckers).

Contrary to popular myth, humans don't explode as soon as they go into space without a proper suit nor do their lungs burst or immediately fill with fluid nor does their blood freeze or boil. The only problem is oxygen, or lack thereof.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-06-02 12:44pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Well, it is possible that it wasn't a complete vacuum; it was an abandoned mine shaft, IIRC, and may have had some sort of atmosphere.
So little as to be negligable, if there's any at all. The mine shafts were open to space after all.

Looks at Stormbringers avatar and banner.

Alittle biased again Spike, maybe?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-02 04:04pm

Durran Korr wrote:Well, come on, there's gotta be something that can explain how he survived. It's as good of an explanation as any.

Nothing logical. We just have to say maybe things weren't as they appeared.

Admiral Valdemar wrote:He could have survived provided he still had oxygen to stave off hypoxia for those precious seconds till he got to the rig (that whole episode reminds me of Space Truckers).

Contrary to popular myth, humans don't explode as soon as they go into space without a proper suit nor do their lungs burst or immediately fill with fluid nor does their blood freeze or boil. The only problem is oxygen, or lack thereof.

No, none of the gruesome movie FX. But decompression and lack of oxygen does put a person out quickly. Certainly not long enough for Spike to do what he did.

Aya wrote:Looks at Stormbringers avatar and banner.

Alittle biased again Spike, maybe?

No. I like Spike just fine. (Ed's better though.

)

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-02 05:08pm

Depending on the person and type of decompression, you can remain conscious for anything up to near 20 seconds, though 10 seconds is most likely.

If it is explosive decompression and the lungs aren't vented faster than the decompression occurs then rupturing may occur and cause internal haemorrhaging.

I suspend disbelief for that stunt anyway.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-06-02 07:58pm

Hmm.... I've always wondered... does a gunpowder firearm work in a vacuum with no atmosphere? Cause Spike pulled out his pistol and fired some shots to redirect himself during that little stunt.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-06-02 08:02pm

Silver wrote:Hmm.... I've always wondered... does a gunpowder firearm work in a vacuum with no atmosphere? Cause Spike pulled out his pistol and fired some shots to redirect himself during that little stunt.

Cordite contains its own O2 from what I recall, so yes.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-02 09:13pm

Gun powder contains its own oxidzer. This is due to the very good reason that the bore of a gun is sealed during firing. If this wasn't the case, the bullet would be going nowhere...

Strider119 · Post by **Strider119** » 2003-06-02 11:00pm

a gunpowder firearm would nto work in a vaccum

and as far as a person surviving in a vaccum, i was under the impression that you wouldnt be immediately dead but you would get seriously injured as the oxygen tried to escape from your body

remember event horizon? wouldnt something like that happen?

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Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-06-02 11:02pm

Strider119 wrote:a gunpowder firearm would nto work in a vaccum

Really?

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-06-02 11:12pm

No, guns work just fine in vacuum and even underwater. The cartridges are sealed, with the oxidizer trapped inzide.

Kon_El · Post by **Kon_El** » 2003-06-02 11:40pm

If you really need a way to rationalize it. It could have somehing to do with the whole rebuilt after he "died" the first time. perhaps his lungs are funky now

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-06-03 10:04am

Short version: space is not particularly dangerous for short periods. If he exhaled, he'd be fine for some seconds - long enough for what he did to get to safety, anyway. And yes, guns coontain their own oxidizer now.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-03 10:54am

Strider119 wrote:a gunpowder firearm would nto work in a vaccum

As others have said, it would indeed. Trying listening to people that know what they're talking about.

Strider119 wrote:and as far as a person surviving in a vaccum, i was under the impression that you wouldnt be immediately dead but you would get seriously injured as the oxygen tried to escape from your body

remember event horizon? wouldnt something like that happen?

You'd have problems resulting from explosive decompression. But nothing so xoverwrought as the fountains of blood shown in Event Horizon and other movies.

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