Wing Zero

[Kuja]

Wing Gundam Zero vs a Star Destroyer

For those who don't know: Wing Zero is a 50-foot tall mobile suit: a giant piloted robot. It is highly mobile in both space and atmosphere. It is made of gundanium, an INCREDIBLY tough metal allow, which can even shrug off laser hits. Zero carries a twin buster rifle (think REALLY powerful trubolaser) two machinecannons and two 60mm vulcans (slugthrowers) and two beam sabers (huge lightsabers)

Well?

[Pablo Sanchez]

The Gundam doesn't have the accelerative capabilities, sensor stealthing, or firepower to break through the first TIE patrol that comes along.

[Kuja]

All it has to do is use its "fire buster rifle in both directions and spin" technique.

Oh yeah, I forgot, the twin buster rifle can be separated into two rifles.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Zero carries a twin buster rifle (think REALLY powerful trubolaser)

The Buster Rifle never demonstrated any truly impressive firepower. When used against mobile suits, it never destroyed them outright, killing them instead via internal explosion (I would tender the guess that it was caused by the minovsky fusion reactors being flooded with minovsky particles and reaching overload).

[Kuja]

It destroyed a huge chunk of the LIBRA.....

It also destroyed a massive space colony......

And when a TIE shoots an X-wing and it blows up, do you say that it doesn't count becasue the X-wing's reacotr blew up, and otherwise it could've kept fighting? No.

[Pablo Sanchez]

All it has to do is use its "fire buster rifle in both directions and spin" technique.

Oh yeah, I forgot, the twin buster rifle can be separated into two rifles.

I've seen the show. And this tactic is ludicrous. The TIEs will not accomodate the Gundam by flying in close formation in two dimensions. They will attack from multiple different directions at high speed.

[Kuja]

Immaterial. All WZ has to do is spin in one plane, then change thrust direction so that it covers multiple directions. And without heavy armor, the TIEs probably won't need much provocation from the BRs to overheat.

[Pablo Sanchez]

It destroyed a huge chunk of the LIBRA.....

Was this by internal explosion or not? In any case, this is firepower on an order closer to a light turbolaser.

It also destroyed a massive space colony......

That whole scene is highly suspect. The beam actually widened to several kilometers across. Remember that the visuals were percieved by a severely disturbed young man; we can't take it all at face value.

And when a TIE shoots an X-wing and it blows up, do you say that it doesn't count becasue the X-wing's reacotr blew up, and otherwise it could've kept fighting? No.

Of course not. But this is a red herring. The visual evidence on the buster rifle is to the effect that the firepower of the Rifle is less than a 105mm cannon, but that it causes the enemy to explode through mysterious means. The TIE cannons burn through the shielding and armor of an X-wing through simple thermal effects, not exotic particle effects.

In any case, even if the buster rifle can hit and destroy a few TIEs, then the remainder of the squadron will easily dispatch it with one or two shots.

[Pablo Sanchez]

Immaterial. All WZ has to do is spin in one plane, then change thrust direction so that it covers multiple directions. And without heavy armor, the TIEs probably won't need much provocation from the BRs to overheat.

You're proposing that the pilot can cover a sphere several kilometers in radius, using a maximum of six shots from a particle rifle whose shots travel at under 500 m/s, and destroy 12 or highly maneuverable and lightning quick (obscenely fast, compared to anything in Gundam) fighters, all while being fired on with shots that can crippled or destroy his mobile suit in a few hits.

Sure. And maybe Jesus will arrive to save his ass, too.

[Kuja]

who says TIEs can destroy WZ in a couple hits? It can shrug off beams and explosives with little to no damage.
(don't forget the ep where it was lined w/enough explosives to take out 3 Leos and didn't get a scratch)

Yes, it destroyed the LIBRA chunk with pure power

"That whole scene is highly suspect. The beam actually widened to several kilometers across. Remember that the visuals were percieved by a severely disturbed young man; we can't take it all at face value."

Trekkies don't want to believe that the DS can really blast planets, but it's too bad. IT HAPPENED.

"highly maneuverable and lightning quick (obscenely fast, compared to anything in Gundam) fighters"

So they're taking shot at top speed? HA! You really think they'll be doing that? THINK HARD.

[SWPIGWANG]

whatever


while I'm normally a Gundam fanboy, fighting 200GT HTL and TT shields is just silly.

[Kuja]

OK, then, forget the ISD if you want and focus on fighting TIEs.

Although I think the TBR could bring down at least a small section of shield. Once the rifle was pointed at the hull itself, sayonara.

I don't know if WZ could dodge TLs....well it would be a suicide run, probably

thoughts?

[Mr Bean]

I don't know if WZ could dodge TLs....well it would be a suicide run, probably

thoughts?

Can Humans Dodge the Rain?

No way possible for the Wing Zero to get within Range of the ISD

Considering it has better accerlation and top speed

Infact considering the relative top speed of Wing Zero VS ISD I think it could simply back up at .001 C while shooting towards the WZ

Roughly anaolgious to a Person with a Katana and shootgun running after a Mac truck traveling at 30 miles an hour

Of course the Buster Rifle while WZ most powerful weapon simply is not going to touch the ISD

Furthermore I'd love to see WZ deal with a spread of Torps which can pull 100K+ G turns

[SWPIGWANG]

WZC have at best MT level firepower and <10G

[Kuja]

Good points....ok fuck the ISD.

[Pablo Sanchez]

WZC have at best MT level firepower and <10G

WHAT?

At best, it has low kiloton range weaponry! The Libra itself inflicted low-megaton damage with the main gun!

[Pablo Sanchez]

Trekkies don't want to believe that the DS can really blast planets, but it's too bad. IT HAPPENED.

I apologize for your not reading my post. Remember that the pilot who saw what happened was completely insane at the time. It's rather obvious that the visual evidence is simply impossible and in contradiction with every other scene (and the rules of logic)--the beam went from about 10 meters across to about 10 kilometers across. If you want to believe that it did that, you go right ahead and be an idiot.

So they're taking shot at top speed? HA! You really think they'll be doing that? THINK HARD.

Oh, so obivously they're going to decelerate to a few hundred miles per hour like mobile suits and duke it out? They don't have to be going full throttle, fuckwit. All they have to do is spiral in at about ten times the speed of the Wing (slow by their standards) and pick him apart. Or the TIE bombers can kill it with one concussion missile.

As for the TIEs not killing it in one or two shots, the TIEs can pump out low-kiloton level shots. The Gundams were threatened by missiles of MUCH less power, and by the Dober Gun--which was definitely not even close to that.

You seem very eager to assign magical qualities to the Gundam. Despite it's physics defying feats, it is limited. Sorry...

[Pablo Sanchez]

Yes, it destroyed the LIBRA chunk with pure power

Sorry that I couldn't remember the exact scene you were referring to, but now I seem to recall. The Wing Zero fired into the chunk with its buster rifle, and the chunk went up in the standard Anime fireball, which the Wing emerged from a moment later. It looked like internal explosion to me.

[Kuja]

I apologize for your not reading my post. Remember that the pilot who saw what happened was completely insane at the time. It's rather obvious that the visual evidence is simply impossible and in contradiction with every other scene (and the rules of logic)--the beam went from about 10 meters across to about 10 kilometers across. If you want to believe that it did that, you go right ahead and be an idiot.

Is that possible? Yes. However, a few minutes later, we a treated to a shot of Heero saying "He just destroyed a colony...." I reiterate: IT HAPPENED. It's possible that the TBR has two settings:

1. a fairly tight beam that we see most of the time
2. a spreadfire-style beam

The Wing Zero fired into the chunk with its buster rifle, and the chunk went up in the standard Anime fireball, which the Wing emerged from a moment later. It looked like internal explosion to me.

From WHAT? Zechs had just destroyed the last reactor, remember? Why else would the Maganacs be desperately cutting it up with their heat hawks? That shot HAD to be pure power, uo it wouldn't have been enough.

Oh, so obivously they're going to decelerate to a few hundred miles per hour like mobile suits and duke it out? They don't have to be going full throttle, fuckwit. All they have to do is spiral in at about ten times the speed of the Wing (slow by their standards) and pick him apart. Or the TIE bombers can kill it with one concussion missile.

This would be a little harder if Zero was, say, SHOOTING at them? The buster rifles can apparently be set to an area affecting-shot (see above) that would wipe out the unshielded TIEs while they were approaching.

[Pablo Sanchez]

1. a fairly tight beam that we see most of the time
2. a spreadfire-style beam

Explain to me, then, how the buster rifle fired such a spread out pattern without any noticeably drop in beam intensity? He killed the Colony, but it could not have been as shown. It is sometimes difficult to reconcile ludicrous anime science with what we know of reality, but it still has to be done.

From WHAT? Zechs had just destroyed the last reactor, remember? Why else would the Maganacs be desperately cutting it up with their heat hawks? That shot HAD to be pure power, uo it wouldn't have been enough.

The people on the Peacemillion specifically stated that the remaining chunk still had a functioning power system. That was why it was a huge danger; it didn't mass enough to kill Earth on its own.

This would be a little harder if Zero was, say, SHOOTING at them? The buster rifles can apparently be set to an area affecting-shot (see above) that would wipe out the unshielded TIEs while they were approaching.

A wider beam means a lower intensity. A wide enough beam to hit them would be too weak to kill them. And anyway, the ISD has 72 fighters.

[Kuja]

Explain to me, then, how the buster rifle fired such a spread out pattern without any noticeably drop in beam intensity? He killed the Colony, but it could not have been as shown. It is sometimes difficult to reconcile ludicrous anime science with what we know of reality, but it still has to be done.

I don't know. My point is, IT HAPPENED. Try reconciling hyperspace with reality while you're at it.

The people on the Peacemillion specifically stated that the remaining chunk still had a functioning power system. That was why it was a huge danger; it didn't mass enough to kill Earth on its own.

That could be a dying power grid from the destroyed reactor, batteries, anything. And Peace. had been destroyed by this point, you're referring to Lady Une's control platform (I think it was one of the MO asteroids)

A wider beam means a lower intensity. A wide enough beam to hit them would be too weak to kill them. And anyway, the ISD has 72 fighters.

Even though the wide beam has enough power to take out a miles-wide COLONY? And don't froget, he destroyed a large mining asteroid before that. (can't determine the size)

[Lt. Nebfer]

i think it woud be a suiside mission wz can take out a few tie's but thats it

i woud love to see it attack a isd with is "gient light saber"

[FettKyle]

you know even if wing zero could go as fast as tie fighters it still could not out manuver the pilot would be killed if he tryed to accelerate like those tie fighters. My point is there is no indication that wing zero has acceleration compinsaters. So basicly Wing ting Zero is screwed. now if he had star wars technology...



-An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

- And with this blow history is changed.
-Admiral Kowen

[Kuja]

you know even if wing zero could go as fast as tie fighters it still could not out manuver the pilot would be killed if he tryed to accelerate like those tie fighters. My point is there is no indication that wing zero has acceleration compinsaters. So basicly Wing ting Zero is screwed. now if he had star wars technology...



-An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

- And with this blow history is changed.
-Admiral Kowen

Dude, make those lines you sig.

Who says WZ has to fight on the TIEs level? All it has to to is stay relatively motionless (except for dodging fire) and then fire the rifle when the TIE set up for an attack.

[FettKyle]

Sorry I didn't responed. But don't you think that the Tie fighters might still be able to dogde the blast. I mean just the stress from trying to track those Tie fighters could possible kill the pilot. right now accelerator compensaters are key just to pull off those 1000 g+ manuvers and wing Zero trying track them even with the Zero system is going to be deadly especialy at close range.


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