ST vs Warhammar 40k

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2002-10-05 12:39am

after reading that thread on Species 8472, bleech, I decided to pit the Warhammar 40k universe against ST again, just not use beings like Q and Time traval, all else allowed.

fight

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-10-05 02:39am

oh yeah can see it now a group of Klingons charge Assault marines....not pretty

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-10-05 02:46am

S8472 are butt-fucked by a snotling.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-10-05 04:06am

Or, as someone said in a thread like this long before, imagine Admiral Janeway saying to an Inquisitor:
"What God Emperor of Humanity?"

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-10-05 10:32am

The Imperium of Man would be the least of the Federation / Alpha Quadrant's worries. There's Chaos, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks, Necrons.

mmmmmm, Necrons. They attack Mars - "What? No Star God buried in the crust? Oh, well, time to harvest some souls!"

The Borg arrive, look at the Necrons and run the hell away.

Does anyone have any calcs on 40K universe starship firepower?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-05 10:37am

Lemme give you a hint, any ONE of the 40k Universes Races could give SW a hard run of thier money and now your going to pit 5-8 races aginst ST?

Ouchys

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-05 11:52am

A hard run for their money?

You win an understatement of the week award.

Borg vs. Necrons

"We are the borg, you will be assimalated resistance is ffffuuutillle ... We are the Necrontyr. Our technological distinction kicks the ficking crap out of yours"

Borg attempt of assimilate a necron ship as in "scorpion". Injection tubules bounce off... ship does a T-1000 to the borg.

Some old material had 600 gigatons for imperium torpedo yeild.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-10-05 12:22pm

NecronLord wrote:A hard run for their money?

Some old material had 600 gigatons for imperium torpedo yeild.

600 gigatons?! Good Christ!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-05 01:19pm

Thats not as nasty as nova cannons

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-10-05 01:33pm

After several ST vs WH40K threads (and if i get round to it a fanfic) I can safely say that the general conciensus of these boards is:

ST if f*cked! (if it doesn't have God like beings, ie. Q)

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-10-05 01:33pm

I have BFG, so I know how ugly those things can be.

And then- And then-

Boarding actions.

Nurgle's plague marines spread their contagion throughout, oh, a Borg ship. What's that? You have biological components? So sorry, but your flesh melts off your bones...

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-05 01:37pm

Nor is it anywherenear as nasty as the I.S.C. Armada

Back on topic.

The Federation would attempt to negotiate with the Imperium of Mankind; upon meetng the God Emperor, Sisko or Picard would openly disdain the Emperor as a tyrannical dictator.

Stratch one fledging interstellar government.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-10-05 01:42pm

You can't meet the Emperor. He's currently in a massive life support system that requires psykers lives to feed him. He's been like that for a few thousand years and no-one except for the Eternal Guards of the Custodes have seen him and they are sworn to silence.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-05 02:05pm

How can he possibly rule in that state? I'm not being contradictory, I just want to know.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-05 02:08pm

You can't meet the Emperor. He's currently in a massive life support system that requires psykers lives to feed him. He's been like that for a few thousand years and no-one except for the Eternal Guards of the Custodes have seen him and they are sworn to silence.

I forgot about that bit.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2002-10-05 02:13pm

He doesn't run the Imperium of Mankind anymore. The 12 High Lords of Terra rule the IoM, the God-Emp. is just a figurehead now.

willburns84 · Post by **willburns84** » 2002-10-05 02:29pm

Rubberanvil wrote:He doesn't run the Imperium of Mankind anymore. The 12 High Lords of Terra rule the IoM, the God-Emp. is just a figurehead now.

Blasphemer! Traitor to the savior of mankind! Let the fires of the inquisition cleanse your soul even as they burn your flesh!

Oh, sorry. That just kind of came out.

Sisko, Pickerd

and company would mock the tyrranical rule of the Imperium of Man, the thought control, the murderous and unaccountable actions of the Inquisitors and Space Marines - and then before the final epithet could leave their lips, the Space Marine chaplain that would act as body guard for the IoM diplomat would leap across the table and tear them in half.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-05 02:31pm

However he is able to manipulate reality, see the book Eye of terror, where he stops an alliance of chaos by simply ensuring that one marine is in the right place at the right time, to shout "Blood for The Blood God!!"

It would be almost as fun to see sisko bitchin to one of the lost primarchs though.

"You are an agent of a tyraniccal.... arghhhh my mind arghhhh."

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2002-10-05 04:52pm

Some old material had 600 gigatons for imperium torpedo yeild

610 gigatons..Gothic class cruisers, from Space hulk..

So, if each torp is around 600 gigations, and there are 6 torpedo tubes on a Gothic class model

3360..gigatons for a torpedo spread....and Gothic cruisers torps are around 4 or 6 in BFG.

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-10-05 07:13pm

The Federation would almost certainly decry the Imperium as a brutal, despotic regime. But what the hell could they possibly do to change it?

The Imperium has:
* Billions of comprehensively equipped (by Fed standards) troops.
* Millions (probably billions) of tanks and other AFVs.
* A powerful space navy with which to carry and support these forces.
* Space Marines.
* Psykers.
*A massive apparatus for the control and protection of their society (Inquisitors, Assassins, the Adeptus Arbites, etc.)

The Federation has:
* No apparent standing ground forces, and little in the way of weapons development apart from pistols, a few rifles and a RPG-type weapon.
* No apparent ground vehicles, beyond the FAV-style jeep from ST:Nemesis
* A fleet (or even an entire military) forced into simultaniously supporting the conflicting requirements of scientific missions and defence, with relatively few dedicated warships. Their biggest advantage over the Imperium would be their more dependable FTP propulsion system.
* Starfleet Intelligence and Section 31, which appear to be direct analogues of current military and civilian intelligence agencies.

All the Feds can do is just sit down and accept that their new neighbours are a irredeemably tyrannical dystopian dictatorship. Trading relationships are duely formalised. Either that or the Imperium monsters the UFP.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-05 07:23pm

Yes, the Imperium will easily manhandle the Feds and mangle them and then cast them aside like a broken child's toy.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-10-05 07:38pm

1 Imperium ship vs the Federation.

Discuss.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-05 07:42pm

what class?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-10-06 04:48am

Rogue Trader, with 1 Inquistioner, 1 assassin, and 50 Ultra Marines, (No terminators) who just happen to be along to make sure the Rogue Trader, doesn't do anything Heretical while visiting this new reality.

The trader, is a Navigator Template Human Champion, with a Plasma Pistol, and a chainsword.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-06 01:08pm

definately gonna raise some hell, there.