Most powerful SCi-fi organization

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2002-10-12 03:16pm

OK, Which Sci-fi power in its current state is the strongest militarily. I'm not talking about groups which could be stronger if they were interested in fighting (so don't give me any bullshit about how the UFP could build a deathstar if they wanted) I want to know ship power, size of territroy, and technological advancement.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-10-12 03:40pm

Xeelee, followed by the Culture. Mess with either at your peril.

A Big Flying Fish · Post by **A Big Flying Fish** » 2002-10-12 03:44pm

the xeelee by a long way
Ship power: capable of blowing up stars easily, and this is with their basic guns.

size: almost universe wide I think.

Technological advancement: able to collide galaxies, built a giant ring a few million kilometers (I think, may have been light years. they used galaxies to build it I think) across. travelled back in time to speed up their own evolution.

generally they could kick anyone short of an omnipotents arse and not even know they've done it.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-12 03:46pm

I dunno. New Republic sucks ass. System's Commonwealth is no more and polluted by low-brow Jerkules. Magog have not really expanded and taken over completely. The GE is no more. Trek has become polluted with the likes of B&B. Gou'ld however are stronger then ever, however they do not have large numbers. Asgard still have their little war. Due to SW massive ridiculous firepower (due to the stupid EU)

advantage, it seems that even the NR (which doesn't really exist since I refuse to accept the EU) can wipe the floor with any TV sci-fi power. I really don't read book sci-fi, except parts of the foundation series a long while ago.

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-10-12 04:21pm

Time Lords

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-12 04:30pm

The Great Old Ones?

But I digress, they're not sci-fi. The most powerful galaxy-level power is very probably the Culture.

Size: Spans a galaxy, though doesn't (directly) control it. Mainly nomadic.

Vessel size: Up to 100km is not uncommon.

Engineering projects: Artificial habitats for the main part, largely Orbitals (ringworlds) and Plates.

Resources: Seemingly unlimited.

Capabilities: Can easily destroy planets (even a Demilitarised ROU can waste a planet), capable of destroying and moving stars. Weapons include Gridfire (direct application of ZPE inside target) Effectors (technomagical devices to control electrical systems, including neurons), hand weapons have been known with the capability to destroy warships. Culture drones easily capable of dispatching massive numbers ofheaily armed attackers, especially when quipped with Knife Missiles. Can conceal a memoryform gun capable of easily killing large armoured bastards in a tooth.

If the culture really wanted most other galaxy level powers dead, their victims would probably never know about it.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-12 04:34pm

Due to SW massive ridiculous firepower (due to the stupid EU) advantage, it seems that even the NR (which doesn't really exist since I refuse to accept the EU) can wipe the floor with any TV sci-fi power. I really don't read book sci-fi, except parts of the foundation series a long while ago.

Ahh so I guess the Million Ship Empire of the Movies with Gigaton light weapons and teraton shielding is not enough lets go overpower it with the EU!

Oops wait, UNDERPOWER it I mean

From the movies of SW we have gigaton weaponry and Petaon level shielding and you think the EU is the big overpowering thing here?

The Deathstar was not EU, the Millions of Worlds was not EU, The Gigaton Power level and Petaton level shielding is not EU, Thats ALL based of the movies Johnpham

Oh and for the record the most powerful Universe is Marvel

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-12 04:42pm

Mr Bean wrote: Oh and for the record the most powerful Universe is Marvel

The Great Old Ones still win.

Infinitely old unkillable beings that don't like anyone, and actively resent most other things being alive.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-10-12 06:39pm

Vendetta wrote:Capabilities: Can easily destroy planets (even a Demilitarised ROU can waste a planet), capable of destroying and moving stars. Weapons include Gridfire (direct application of ZPE inside target) Effectors (technomagical devices to control electrical systems, including neurons), hand weapons have been known with the capability to destroy warships. Culture drones easily capable of dispatching massive numbers ofheaily armed attackers, especially when quipped with Knife Missiles. Can conceal a memoryform gun capable of easily killing large armoured bastards in a tooth.

Where did you get that the grid is ZPE?

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-12 06:40pm

The Grid is described as a underlying universal energy field.

ZPE is the closest theoretical physical concept.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2002-10-12 07:02pm

Excession builders are very high up there. They can gridfire entire universes with scout probes, react at speeds faster than quantum instants and universe hop at will. Of all technological races they are the most powerful.
Marvel is the most powerful universe though. You can't beat the living tribunal or the one-above-all. It is impossible by definition.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-12 07:09pm

Spaceballs.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-12 07:10pm

Evil Jerk wrote:Spaceballs.

Nah, the culture would waste them in a fraction of second.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-10-12 07:28pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Evil Jerk wrote:Spaceballs.
Nah, the culture would waste them in a fraction of second.

The Culture is insignificant next to the power of the Schwartz!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-10-12 08:01pm

Evil Jerk wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Evil Jerk wrote:Spaceballs.
Nah, the culture would waste them in a fraction of second.
The Culture is insignificant next to the power of the Schwartz!

bah, you catch a blast of gridfire before you even get a chance to use the schwartz.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-12 08:47pm

Infinitely old unkillable beings that don't like anyone, and actively resent most other things being alive.

Yeah they have those in Marvel To

He's Called Galaticus(Sp?)
Eat Planets for Breakfest, Drinks Suns for Lunch

1 Big Bad Ass who is like the Time-Lords

Except
Bigger
Faster
Stronger
Evil......

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-10-12 11:50pm

In ways marvel and hp lovecraft comsic patheons are simarly...But Hp beats marvel. Azeroth is the creator of the universe. He is like the one above all, the brothers, or the one god that made up the marvel universe in the begining, than the living tribunal. And the living tribunal can be equaled in power...even surpased by other beings in the marvel universe, he stated it himself.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-10-13 12:17am

Going with the essence of this debate I have to say xeelee and then the culture.

However I know of something that is more powerful than the MU and hp lovecraft... The old ones from stephen kings dark tower (People are talking about them in SB). They mess around with megaversial constants. If they can make something like the dt then they could prob destroy both universes from the outside.

Two others I can think of is the ancients who made the dragongod from project ako, it was also capable of destroing/merging/reshaping the multiverse.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-10-13 12:18am

Make that one other.... damn no edit button.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-10-13 12:45am

Allow me to the be the first to mention...

Roger Zelazny's Amber.

A single Amberite could choose to collapse the entire universe (a single shadow amongst the infinite), most of them also wouldn't think twice about this.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-13 08:52am

The Preservers

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-10-13 09:12am

Who are these Xeelee guys??

If they're more powerful than The Culture, then they must be able to unleash some serious destruction.

A Big Flying Fish · Post by **A Big Flying Fish** » 2002-10-13 11:36am

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Who are these Xeelee guys??

If they're more powerful than The Culture, then they must be able to unleash some serious destruction.

they're from the xeelee series by Stephen Baxter, and yes they do pack some serious firepower.
eg. they've got pistols (starbreakers) that can do anything from heat up water to taking out an entire solar system. and these are their basic pistols. they can alter the laws of pyshics, have created their own universes I believe, and collide galaxies to continue to make a giant ring lightyears wide. they can generally take on just about anyone, except omnipotents and the timelords

GSV Use Psychology · Post by **GSV Use Psychology** » 2002-10-13 02:20pm

A Big Flying Fish wrote: they're from the xeelee series by Stephen Baxter, and yes they do pack some serious firepower.
eg. they've got pistols (starbreakers) that can do anything from heat up water to taking out an entire solar system. and these are their basic pistols. they can alter the laws of pyshics, have created their own universes I believe, and collide galaxies to continue to make a giant ring lightyears wide. they can generally take on just about anyone, except omnipotents and the timelords

If you take the entire Xeelee civilisation then they are quite high on the food chain, the Photino birds can beat them, for some strange reason, never really understood what was so dangerous about them. Ship vs ship I'd be willing to put a Culture ship against them, although we have almost no information on the Xeelee military.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-13 02:28pm

The far future Da;eks from Dr.Who, mostly because the Time Lords are scared of them enought to break their non-interference policy.