G Gundam Newtype?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-30 10:35pm

A question that's been brewing in my head for some time: could George deSand of G Gundam be a newtype? For those who know, this might seem a little stupid. However, I've seen some interesting evidence to support my theory.

Evidence A:

In the first episode in which he appears, George walks down a carept and says "Gundam Rose!" (or something to that effect). Immediately, Rose's eyes light up and the gundam activates.

Voice-activation? Possible, but in the context of the other evidence, it's possible he used his mind to activate the gundam.

Evidence B: Eariler in the episode, George was standing on Rose's shoulder when Shining Gundam moved to attack. George made a gesture, and Rose immediately circled around Shining AND threw a bit, hitting Shining squarely in the arm (and SWORD arm, even!).

A pre-programmed manuever? Possible, but unlikely, due to the fact that it the bit nailed Shining square in the forearm holding the sword, and detonated a moment later, all without a word from George.

Evidence C: during the match between Shining and Rose, Domon has to say the word "vulcan" in order to activate the guns in Shining's head. However, George uses his own vulcans a moment later, without speaking.

Could they be activated by a gesture? Doubtful, considering the nature of the Mobile Trace System, which makes a Gundam imitate its pilot's movements.

Evidence D: when saying the words to begin his match with Arachno Gundam, George is standing on Rose's shoulder. Now, he's ready to begin the match, WHILE STANDING OUTSIDE THE COCKPIT! This seems utterly insane, considering that Arachno was already moving to attack, and there was no time for him to get to the cockpit. Was he planning to direct the battle from his perch.

This is flimsy, I admit, and could be chalked up to overconfidence, but when in context, it's possible George was indeed planning to direct the fight from outside the cockpit.

Evidence E: Rose bits. Bits are remote weapons used only (as far as I know) by newtypes. Although it's possible that the bits are simply remote controlled by the gundam, I find it unlikely, for the following reasons:

1. in their initial battle, George surrounded Domon with a swarm of bits, even having some sneak up behind him.

2. the bits can move either slowly, or very erratically, dodging enemy swipes, although not always successfully.

3. in one of the latest eps, Marie-Louise remarks about the power of George's mind, to control all of the bits.

4. the bits often change attack patterns to frustrate enemies, all without a single word spoken. George also uses verbal commands to begin the 'Rose Screamer' and 'Rose Hurricane' attacks.

5. in the episode where George and Chibodee fight Grand Gundam, George makes a gesture, and the final rose bit flies directly into Chibodee's gun barrel to act as a bullet. No way that could be preprogrammed.

I find all this evidence to be quite interesting. Althoguh George often uses his voice in these instences, it could be chalked up to his chivalry and the showmanship the pilots of G Gundam often demonstrate. Your thoughts, Gundam fans?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-30 10:50pm

I think its just a sign of advance AI or a plot device which makes the Gundam appear more like a companion of George's.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-30 10:55pm

I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Rose could manuever a bit into Chibodee's gun to act as a bullet for him.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-30 10:58pm

Well it any less unlikely than the Devil Gundam being able to coordinate thousands of parts from one central position?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-30 10:58pm

Newtypes only exist in UC and AW.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-10-30 11:02pm

I've only seen a couple of episodes but I think that it's like that to make the characters seem so damn cool.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-30 11:03pm

VF5SS wrote:Well it any less unlikely than the Devil Gundam being able to coordinate thousands of parts from one central position?

True, but I thought Devil Gundam was also far more advanced than any other MS. Judging how it catches the fighters off-guard time and again, I'd say that's correct.

Newtypes only exist in UC and AW.

I know, Spanky. I'm asking you to suspend belief in the official position for a moment and just look at the visual evidence.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-30 11:15pm

I have.

I'm not convinced.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-30 11:16pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I have.

I'm not convinced.

No? Why not? See something I missed?

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-31 07:12am

Well all Gundams respond to the mental commands of their pilots given the fact that most of them have some part that could not be minicked by the fighting suit. Head vulcans, shoulder mega cannons, Shining/Burning finger gauntlets, boxing gloves, fighting knuckles, dragon fangs, etc. all work without any voice command. The Rose Gundam might have a better control system than the others or its AI is much more advanced.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-10-31 10:06am

Maybe, but then there is that remark about "the Power of George's mind," and the sheer fact that his is the only Gundam that has bits, that pegs him as being possibly a NewType.

In any case, that makes both Alternate Universes that, while they don't have NewTypes mentioned specifically, still have someone very similar in many ways(Quatre in Gundam Wing, if you didn't figure it out).

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2002-10-31 10:33am

gundam pilots in G gundam seem to me to be typical anime marital artist... throwing chi-blasts and dodging bullets with ease... They are superhuman, but not specificaly newtypes.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-31 01:07pm

VF5SS wrote:Well all Gundams respond to the mental commands of their pilots given the fact that most of them have some part that could not be minicked by the fighting suit. Head vulcans, shoulder mega cannons, Shining/Burning finger gauntlets, boxing gloves, fighting knuckles, dragon fangs, etc. all work without any voice command. The Rose Gundam might have a better control system than the others or its AI is much more advanced.

I see what you're saying, but most of these seem to work with gestures (watch the next time Sai deploys the dragon fangs)

On the whole, though, I'd say you're correct.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-31 01:08pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:gundam pilots in G gundam seem to me to be typical anime marital artist... throwing chi-blasts and dodging bullets with ease... They are superhuman, but not specificaly newtypes.

That's because being a newtype and having a high ki power are two different things.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-31 01:53pm

Well, Newtypes in UC have always been shown to be able to sense others nearby (especially other Newtypes).

They also almost always have a strong sense of precognition, where enemy actions can even be fully "seen" seconds before they happen.

To the best of my knowledge, George hasn't shown anything above a general "battle sense:" a good sense of the local environment and the movement of opponents.

Personally, I don't think George is a NT, and nor is anyone else in FC.

Quatre was using a component from the Zero System installed in Sandrock Kai, if that was it you were refering to. It has been a long time since I've last seen Wing, though.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-31 01:58pm

That's all true Spanky, but some NTs are also stronger than others. I think George's power lays pretty much only in the ability to remote-control his Gundam and the Rose bits. He might not have the precognitive abilities at all.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-31 02:01pm

Precognition is pretty much the first abilities that Newtypes have.

Keep in mind that it appears that FC technology seems to be really advanced in some areas compared to the other universes. For one thing, they have flying cars, which as far as I know, aren't in any other series.

Speaking of Newtypes, I recently got a subscription to Newtype USA magazine.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-31 02:10pm

As you're so fond of pointing out, this is FC, not UC. The rules may be different. Besides, George is a born and bred fighter. Wouldn't it be natural for his skills to develop in the area of physical combat rather than precognition?

I'll need a lot more than hovercars to convince me Rose can control all those bits in such a fashion.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-31 02:52pm

How about the fact that you have to be a powerful Newtype to control bits. If George was a newtype then he would have been a strong one with powers of precognition. Geroge probably had something akin to Rain's cute little V-fin controller that allowed here to move the Shining Gundam with her mind.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-31 03:05pm

You also have to have a MS with a Psycommu System.

Gundam Rose also might have the FC equivalent of the UC's Quasi-PsyCommu System, which allows a normal pilot to operate Newtype weapons and equipment.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-31 03:18pm

I'm with Spanky. Though I think that must all have some basic quasi-psycommu gien they level of control they have over things like boosters, Spiegal's arm blades, etc.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-31 03:23pm

I agree.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-31 03:40pm

Asuka is really creeping me out.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-31 03:50pm

That's the idea.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-31 04:01pm

Her demon jailbait constipated look cannot conquer me! The Power of SD Daitarn 3 compels you! SUN ATTACK!