100 GW laser

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-10-31 03:47am

OK peepswe here at Rabid monkey labs have created a starship portable100 gw laser cannon .How would the Enterprise D do against it?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 03:57am

Typhonis 1 wrote:OK peepswe here at Rabid monkey labs have created a starship portable100 gw laser cannon .How would the Enterprise D do against it?

How does that translate to tons? (MT, GT, etc)

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-10-31 04:08am

Shinova wrote:
Typhonis 1 wrote:OK peepswe here at Rabid monkey labs have created a starship portable100 gw laser cannon .How would the Enterprise D do against it?
How does that translate to tons? (MT, GT, etc)

Wrong type of unit. Watts = power, tonnes TNT = energy.

1e9w = 0.24 tons/sec.

Assuming a continous wave laser. The numbers will be different for a pulsed laser.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 04:13am

Wasn't there an episode in TNG where it was stated that lasers do no damage to ST shields?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 04:38am

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 04:50am

NecronLord wrote:

Just in case you're directing that at me,

Turbolasers != lasers

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-31 04:59am

Shinova wrote:How does that translate to tons? (MT, GT, etc)

If we assume 100GW means 100GJ/s and not 50GJ/0.5s then it is 0,02 kilotons a second.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 04:59am

Its still a stupid comment by stupid picard written by some stupid hack.

It makes no sense at all and is a black and white fallacy

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-31 05:01am

Shinova wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Just in case you're directing that at me,

Turbolasers != lasers

Doesn't matter really, the whole concept of laser invulneraribility is nutso.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 05:06am

nutso, but canon.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 05:06am

In the same way, one could say that the Force is nutso. But it's canon.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-31 05:23am

Shinova wrote:nutso, but canon.

And still wrong, as in incorrect, wrong interpreptation of said events.

They said something like "that won't even penetrate our navigational deflectors"

Thats clearly in regards to power, not to their nature, if so there is no reason they should be in danger from being too near a star or intense EM radiation or why they should be afraid of laser fire in another episode.

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2002-10-31 05:40am

The difference between power and total energy transferred is quite important. There are petawatt lasers knocking about even now.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 05:42am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Shinova wrote:nutso, but canon.
And still wrong, as in incorrect, wrong interpreptation of said events.

They said something like "that won't even penetrate our navigational deflectors"

Thats clearly in regards to power, not to their nature, if so there is no reason they should be in danger from being too near a star or intense EM radiation or why they should be afraid of laser fire in another episode.

Good point.

Anyway, I think there was one TNG episode where the E-D was being fired at by a 400 or something gigawatt weapon and it damaged them semi-severely.

100 GW = 0.02 KT, eh?

I think everyone can say: "ST has just made a big boo-boo."

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 07:54am

Shinova wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
Shinova wrote:nutso, but canon.
And still wrong, as in incorrect, wrong interpreptation of said events.

They said something like "that won't even penetrate our navigational deflectors"

Thats clearly in regards to power, not to their nature, if so there is no reason they should be in danger from being too near a star or intense EM radiation or why they should be afraid of laser fire in another episode.
Good point.

Anyway, I think there was one TNG episode where the E-D was being fired at by a 400 or something gigawatt weapon and it damaged them semi-severely.

100 GW = 0.02 KT, eh?

I think everyone can say: "ST has just made a big boo-boo."

They were hit by a 400gigawatt pulse

and it collapsed the sheilds. 2 seconds of this...

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-31 08:23am

Howver Shinova its not canon as later on in the seires when two planets go to war using LASER weapons Picard withdraws the ship "Because he won't put his ship in danager"

Now if his ship is immune to lasers why would he think his ship is in danger?

Furthermore they have taken damage before from many diffrent laser weapons too as well, The Epsiode you refer to is called the Outragius Otakua If I remeber and its completly descirted

Oh and Turbolasers (=/) Lasers (Or is that what you ment by the ! mark, I've never seeen it written that way)

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 08:26am

!= is a psudocode symbol we here in the EU use. It may be =/ wherever you are

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-31 08:31am

!= is what the C style syntax languages use for not equals.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-31 08:32am

Note, Picard himself is immune to lasers, his bald head reflects them with 100% efficency.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-10-31 10:13am

Crazy_Vasey wrote:!= is what the C style syntax languages use for not equals.

And =/ is a style of cute grin.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-10-31 12:59pm

ClaysGhost wrote:The difference between power and total energy transferred is quite important. There are petawatt lasers knocking about even now.

Erm you mean that a laser can now produce megaton-ranged energy within a small amount of time ? Sorry, last time I checked, the Nova-laser array, the most powerful laser used in thermonuclear fusion experiments, was rated at 300 TW... and functions during 2 nanoseconds. Translate this into appropriate units yourself. Gigawatt-ranged lasers are still considered insanely powerful with our current technology. But I could be outdated. However I don't think so.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-10-31 01:19pm

Shinova wrote:nutso, but canon.

Not at all. Immunity to visible light lasers requires you to twist all visible light around you, like a SW style cloak. Shields do -not- do this, so it's not canon. The nav deflectors probably contribute some tiny amount of heat-dissipation protection, which is what they mean.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-10-31 01:59pm

This isnt a Prlse laser this is a one second continuous beam laser

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2002-10-31 02:39pm

The Nomad wrote: Erm you mean that a laser can now produce megaton-ranged energy within a small amount of time ?

I said that lasers exist that have power outputs at the petawatt level, nothing about the total energy transferred. The actual beam duration is of course on the order of nanoseconds, probably less. I don't know about the US, but Vulcan in the UK is being upgraded

http://www.clf.rl.ac.uk/news/clf_news/vulcan_page.htm

I would be really surprised if the US didn't have something similar either now or soon.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2002-11-02 06:33am

Of course when you mentionned petawatt-ranged lasers, I thought you were meaning that the pulse could actually be maintained for at least 1 sec...

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