Design your own infantry unit, starship, etc

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 01:52pm

Military Buggy-

Dimensions:
4 meters long, 2.5 meters wide, .7 meters high, not including turret
3 wheels

Weight- ~2 tons- too lazy to calculate weight for everything

Crew of 2- gunner and driver

Weaponry:
1 mk19 fully automatic grenade launcher, externally mounted on sealed roof turret with
1 autoloading RPG with 10 rounds
1 minigun, US M2HB Machinegun, or MK19 fully automatic grenade launcher.

Armour- 3 inches steel and ceramic sandwich, with some tungsten layers in critical parts.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-10-31 02:00pm

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&l ... s.starwars

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 03:25pm

The Shroud

While technically not a unit as much a a specforce. They are from my own universe. Their specialities are assasination, abduction, rescue and sabotage. They are equipped with a specially redisigned stealh version of the normal human armour using a modified version of the stelth armour used on spy ships. Various small arms and miscellaneous equipment. including weapons which erase a specified portion of a victims memory. verious biological, nurological and chemical weapons.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-31 03:33pm

Here's a starship, in a universe of my own devising:

Bravo-class Battleship

Length: 1,536m
Crew: 756 (skeleton) 1,108 (full)
Troops: 1,500 Imperial Marines, 375 Naval Troopers

Starfighter Complement: 3 Squadrons SF-128E Fighters, 1 Squadron SB-80A Attack Bombers
Weapons:
- 50 Heavy Neutron Cannon Turrets
- 110 Neutron Cannons
- 40 Point-defense plasma cannons
- 20 Missile tubes w/ Anti-Fighter and Heavy missles

Armor:
1.63m titanium/adamantium alloy
2m inner titanium (not designed to withstand combat)
Standard MkVII Anti-radiation/particle screen
MS-328G MkII Capital-class shield
MS-328GB MkI Backup shield

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 03:41pm

Whats it's max speed and power output?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-31 03:56pm

Again, in my own universe:

Imperial Marine Private:
Training:
- 2 Earth-months boot camp, mandatory
- 6 months firearms, tactics, leadership, theory, accuracy, etc. (waived during draft)

Weapons:
- SI EM-27A1 Energy Assault Rifle
- SI Mono-molecular edged Marine Combat Knife/Bayonet
- 3 MkIV Plas-frag Grenades

Armor:
- SI MkI Marine Combat Armor (looks sort of like the armor in Starship Troopers, but more tech-ish and matte black)

Equipment:
- Relevant Battle Dress Fatigues (e.g., Urban, Woodland, Desert, etc.)
- Combat Boots
- 4 SI EM-27A1 magazines
- Canteen, morphine, field rations, etc.
On/In Armor:
- Flashlight, on helmet
- Short-range comm (for local squad communication, otherwise worthless)
- Emergency transponder
- Vital signs monitor/M-5 Corpsman Assistant Unit "Medics' Best Friend"
- Visor HUD, MFD, and night vision (rarely used, limits visibility)

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-31 04:02pm

Whats it's max speed and power output?

Speed:
Docking:~60 relative mph
Cruising:~3 mps
Escort:~17 mps
Attack/Max: classified
Standard FTL: 57x speed of light
Max FTL: classified

As for power output, I generally prefer to avoid getting too technical and scientific

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-10-31 04:08pm

Morphine? your probably better with something nonaddictinve, administered by the suit of course

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-31 04:10pm

hehe lol

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 04:25pm

How high can the tech level go? Is there a limit to how powerful our ships can be?

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2002-10-31 04:27pm

How about we break it up into different techs.

Like one for Star Wars, then one of Trek, B5, Gundam, etc...

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 05:27pm

yeah break it up into
modern
ST
SW
B5
Homeworld
other

The designs cannot be unrealistic for that race or group or too uber powerful, for example TIEs cannot have superlasers. For modern please use real weaponry or describe weapon in detail. For modern under the category of ships, replace with wet navy unit or aircraft

Imperator class Cruiser-

200 meters, 70 meters wide, too lazy and don't know how to calculate displacement.

Stealth
Internal sub style bridge
Enclosed radar- no exposed dishes.
Catamaran style hull
Nuclear Powered

8 CIWS
SM2s
Harpoons
Tomahawks

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 05:29pm

nevermind about the harpoons, since the SM-2s can hit surface ships too. Oh lets add a few torpedo tubes.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-10-31 05:33pm

Modern to near future

Dragon-class Gunship

Length : 110 meters

Power source : Dual fusion reactors (Probable in near future)

Drives : One main drive. Maneuvering thrusters located on all axis points of the ship, so that it can rotate in all directions with equal efficiency.

Fuel Duration : 2 years at cruising speed.

Armor Average Thickness : 1.5 meters.

Weapons

-Two forward high-power lasers
-Two missile pods, each missile with thermonuclear warheads
-Armor-piercing projectile firing turrets located throughout hull as point-defense weapons

Special Weapons

-Ship also carries limited number of special missiles. Sometimes napalm missiles that pierce a target's hull and flood its decks with searing napalm.
-Sometimes also has special thermonuclear torpedoes. Designed to pierce, lodge itself into target's armor, then drill into the ship using diamond drill. Once inside, it detonates its thermonuclear warhead.

Special Features

-Armor is titanium and aluminoxide mixed together, stacked in layers. One layer is solid, the one below that fibrous and meshed, followed by another solid, etc.
-Outermost armor is made with more aluminoxide (transparent aluminum) than titanium with black layering on bottom, creating mirror-like qualities that serve as anti-laser defense.
-Electromagnetic Defense, protection against EMP from nuclear explosions.
-ECM and anti-missile countermeasures
-Parts of outer hull is radar-absorbant (Assuming we still use radar in space at that time), resulting in some stealth capability.

Purpose

This ship is not a mass-production ship. Rather, it is built to be as maneuverable as possible, even to extent of fighter-maneuverability capability, and at the same time be able to dish out large amounts of damage. Missiles are all smartly guided, and if permissible, ship is controlled by AI. If not, ship is controlled by small number of crew, perhaps 20-30.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 06:05pm

anything up to 50 years in the future is fine.

-Armor is titanium and aluminoxide mixed together, stacked in layers. One layer is solid, the one below that fibrous and meshed, followed by another solid, etc.

Titanium is brittle, as wong said in the mech practicality thread. I think you still need some high tensile strength steel to counteract this. Also the aluminum oxide would be hard to make in sheet form. Sure you could get the powdered form, and bind it together, but it wouldn't be very strong. I would prefer ceramic or thin layers of tungsten. Are you talking about Aluminum oxide mixed in with the Ti, or seperate. I really dunno you got to ask wong. Your ship sounds very cool

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 06:49pm

Elite Infantry

-Light Ceramic/Aluminum/Titanium armour
-Full NBC when required
-Built in sensors in helmet
1 gatling type gun firing lots of 2mm caseless rounds- who gives a damn about the damage when you are going to pump them full of lead anyways. Need to find high power propellant for this though.
1 beretta
Essentially a stormtrooper for the near future

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 06:56pm

Actually the gatling probably is better suited to killing lots of people at short range < 100 meters unless used with a small bipod. It's more like the equivelent of the M249. The weapon should be light enough to be shot while standing up though without good accuracy

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-31 07:09pm

Here's a Modern one:

M13 "Wyvern" APC:
Tracked, fully enclosed except for the turret, with a drop-down hatch on either side and a one-man open-topped turret on top

I don't know engine stuff, so on to other things:

Length:3.8m
Height: 2.1m
Top Speed: 67mph
Ford Depth: 1.2m
NBC defense package

Crew: 3 (Driver, Gunner, Loader/Aux. Gunner)
Passengers: 10

Weapons:
Turret: Dual M2 .50 caliber MGs
- Co-axial 5.56mm minigun

Aux. Gunner, next to driver: Pintle-mounted M60 used when turned out

Driver: 12.7mm MG mounted on front

The crew section in front is sealed off from the rear passenger area, as the rear is often subject to grenades when the hatches are down.

Armor: 2.6in aluminum alloy

This is an assault anti-infantry APC, with Marines and beach landings in mind. All the MGs can put down a lot of support and covering fire as the troops exit on both sides. Also ideal for urban combat (as far as an armored vehicle can be, at least

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Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-31 07:29pm

G.M.N.E. Angel Warrior
Human Type: GE Alpha 10+

Mecha Augmentations:
*Super Tensile Bone Replacement- Bones are replaced with a organic/ceramic hybrid of bones allowing improving bone structure strength 5X
*Multi-Visiospatial Eye's- These eyes are able to pick up from 400-800nm spectrum with visual modes of Electromagnetic, Black and White, Night Vision, and Infared. Eyes can also emit dull infared light to improve night vision. Lastly, eyes are fully intergrated with the PTT Computer
*Personal Trageting and Tracking Computer (PTT Comp)- The PTT is an implanted computer within the torso that helps the brain coordinate targeting with the body. Also brings up stat HUD within the persons field of vision and helps the brain interpret all senses for tracking and dodging.
*Personal Movement Motivator- This small computer is linked with the PTT. Its purpose is to help the body do certian tasks with the most efficiency based on movement programs (eg. throwing something with the speed and accuracy of the best baseball pitchers).
*Subdermal Silk Impact Armor: A very thin layer of subdermal armor is slowly grown under the skin adding extra resiliance to ballistic and energy attacks.

BioAugmentations:
*Enhanced Bio Lung: These lungs are installed if genetically enhanced humans lungs don't meet capacity.
*Nutrient Dispersal Organ- A special organ that controls the distribution of nutrients and special 'super adreniles' into the system
*Bioquantum Brain and Cord: A specially modified brain and spinal cord are installed. The response of the neurons clocks at over 2-4 times the speed of normal humans nervous system. The brain also works with the Nano Factory and the internal Quantum Computers as well as has a direct, fully interfaced neural graft jack.
*Sonic ear: More sensitive ear structures are implanted to improve the decible level lower and upper of user (has sound soak feature to prevent damage of eardrum)

Nano Augmentations:
*Nano Factory: A special organ in the body that produces and recycles nanites within the body. Also controls all nanite behavior.

*Nanites in general improve the immune system and general health of the human. Ontop of that, the quantum computers use nanites at times to act as interneurons to speed of processes. The Nanites also act as a natural longetivity vacine, making the human live healthier, longer than most. Improves all abilities of the human body.

Genetic Enhancement: The GE Alpha 10+ is, by geneticist standpoint, a perfect human. The genes produce naturally superb athletes with super cognitive minds and no genetic diseases. By definition these human types are refered to as 'second man'.

Equipment: These augmented and enhanced humans are armed with the best salvaged pre-WWIII tech available.
*Responsive Impact Armor (Prewar3): This armor has 3 super tensile ceramic plates with silk steel webbing inbetween. Over the plates are about 20 layers worth of Kevlar 23 with fire resiliant webing. The responsive part of the armor comes in the form of silk steel live layer that reacts to high speed impacts by scrunching up the silk steel in that area, effectivly acting like a steel plate while immobilizing the area. Energy for sensors and motivators are provided by two high density fusion batteries.
*Spider Muscle Augmentation Subsuit: A sub suit of the Impact Armor that is composed of smooth spider muscle (silk steel muscles) attached to super actuators. Together the suit adds 5-15x strength to the user.
*External Quantum Battle Computer: This external computer works with the internal PTT to improve the warriors ability to dodge and attack.
*Tech Goggles: Improves upon visual aspects of the users eyes, also allows the user to see shapes some distance through certian materials.
*Tech Helmet: Same responsive armoring as the Impact armor with a sonic ear enhancment.

And the prime examples of such tech: Jool (my avatar), and Larz (my user name) characters in my universe... and if this didn't make sense, I really don't care because I'm tierd... gripe and I may improve

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 07:32pm

2.6 inches is pretty thin for protecting such valuable cargo, right? I think a 50 cal would puch through that easily. Make the armor out of steel or something, this is a powered vehicle so who cares about weight (to a point) .

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-10-31 07:34pm

Pu-239 wrote:2.6 inches is pretty thin for protecting such valuable cargo, right? I think a 50 cal would puch through that easily. Make the armor out of steel or something, this is a powered vehicle so who cares about weight (to a point) .

Most modern tanks use aluminum armor, including the mighty M1A2. Besides, weight (and space) IS a concern here, it must carry plenty of ammunition for its .50 cals, M60, minigun, and 12.7mm

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-31 07:53pm

JediNeophyte wrote:
Pu-239 wrote:2.6 inches is pretty thin for protecting such valuable cargo, right? I think a 50 cal would puch through that easily. Make the armor out of steel or something, this is a powered vehicle so who cares about weight (to a point) .
Most modern tanks use aluminum armor, including the mighty M1A2. Besides, weight (and space) IS a concern here, it must carry plenty of ammunition for its .50 cals, M60, minigun, and 12.7mm

The M1A2 does not use aluminum armor, nor does the Baseline or A1 model. Very few current AFV's do, most use steel or if weight really is an issue, Titanium. This is in addition to any composite armor of course.

.50 cal and 12.7 is the same thing. The M60 is crap compared to the M240 and the world has a couple 7.62mm machine guns that are even better then that.

A mini gun for anti infantry use on a tank or APC is one of the worst possibul choces, espically if its 5.56.

A M2 paired with a Mk.19 in unmanned weapon station would be a far far better mix.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 08:05pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:
Pu-239 wrote:2.6 inches is pretty thin for protecting such valuable cargo, right? I think a 50 cal would puch through that easily. Make the armor out of steel or something, this is a powered vehicle so who cares about weight (to a point) .
Most modern tanks use aluminum armor, including the mighty M1A2. Besides, weight (and space) IS a concern here, it must carry plenty of ammunition for its .50 cals, M60, minigun, and 12.7mm
The M1A2 does not use aluminum armor, nor does the Baseline or A1 model. Very few current AFV's do, most use steel or if weight really is an issue, Titanium. This is in addition to any composite armor of course.

.50 cal and 12.7 is the same thing. The M60 is crap compared to the M240 and the world has a couple 7.62mm machine guns that are even better then that.

A mini gun for anti infantry use on a tank or APC is one of the worst possibul choces, espically if its 5.56.

A M2 paired with a Mk.19 in unmanned weapon station would be a far far better mix.

Yay Mk.19.

Um why is a minigun bad?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-10-31 08:08pm

Pu-239 wrote:2.6 inches is pretty thin for protecting such valuable cargo, right? I think a 50 cal would puch through that easily. Make the armor out of steel or something, this is a powered vehicle so who cares about weight (to a point) .

Actually its far too much armor, and only one of several problems.

That’s about 65mm, more then any Infantry Fighting vehicles has by far, and as much as many older tanks. The production Leo 1's only had a max of 70mm and the AMX-30 about 55. Both date to the 60's but are still competitive today unless faced with first class armor.

65mm will stop 12.7 and 14.5mm AP fire with ease, assuming its steel, aluminum throws everything off. It will also be highly resistant to auto cannons, grenade strikes and high caliber fragments, really anything under a 100mm T-12 is going to be pretty ineffective. Missile however will kill it easily, and the thing would weight a damn lot for an APC.

Keep in mind the M113 has a max of just 38mm of aluminum plating, the British FV432at most 14mm of steel. The BMP-1 had about the same.

You can't build an APC with 65mm of armor and carry 10 infantrymen and expect to keep up with even 20mph M60's. Even if all but a single machine gun and a grenade launcher where deleted, the thing would still be far too heavy, and much too small.

Even if you just had a steel box with no engine or weapons or armor, you could not fit 12 combat ready men in something three meters long, you need a minimal of 6 for this thing.

Speed is hopelessly unrealistic, if you want to keep the armor, even on the required bigger hull, 67MPH is impossible. Try 20, at best and poor off road performance.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2002-10-31 08:08pm

Also is a gatling style gun firing large amounts of very small caliber bullets practical for a bipod mounted weapon?