Choose you weapon

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-11-01 11:52pm

You are to be dropped in an environment like Endor with only a weapon, knife, compass, and some emergency rations. You then have to make your way to a LZ 50 miles away from the location that you are dropped into. The forest is however inhabited by Klingons, Borg, Magog, and Bounty Hunters who are after you along with various other wild animals. To top it off a T-800 is looking for you too. You can assume the ones whom are armed are carrying everything they can including mortars. You will have 2 years to devote all your time to training.

Weapons (Can pick one from this list)
- M4A1
- Lightsaber
- E-11
- FC Phaser Rifle
- Force Lance

What weapon would you pick and why?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-11-01 11:58pm

Lightsaber. Other than the it and the FC, the others are just ordinary guns.

And, while the FC is useful, it's not as good as a lightsaber. Sure, it can intercept mortars, but since you're just one man who should be sufficently discreet as to not call down artillerly strikes on your posistion in the first place.

The lightsaber would easily kill the T-800. Phaser blasts could be deflected with the saber and the Borg, Magog, and Klingons all engage in melee, giving you a distinct advantage.

Plus, the saber never runs out of ammo.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-01 11:59pm

The Borg make things the problem the E-11 is the Supiror weapon for all these targets EXCEPT the the Borg who might adat leaving you clubing them to death quite abit

The Force lance while nice simply is going to run into problems with all the trees around targets that Smart Bullets are not going to be that useful while the E-11 will let you just blow your way through anything

I'd go with the E-11 without the Borg being present in a heart-beat but with them I have to go for hestiantly pick it over the Force Lance

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-11-02 12:00am

I would pick the M4A1 because thats the only weapon that I would really recognize and understand. Also, I would take a point of view, that if I cant kill it with the M4 then Im gonna do everything I can to evade it. If I cant evade it, I figure Im doomed anyway.

Mabye thats a little fatalistic but you asked.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2002-11-02 12:12am

Lightsaber, I can start a fire with it, use it to hunt(klingons)....

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-02 12:12am

Ummm....saber?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-02 12:19am

Type-3b Phaser Rifle (black nosed rifle) with the Nemesis targeting modification. The thing already has auto targeting capabilities and the aiming recticle shown in Nemesis would make it all the better. Owning that thing in real life would ROCK. No Assault Rifle ban covers this thing, so it would be legal just about anywhere.

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-11-02 12:26am

Mr Bean wrote: The Force lance while nice simply is going to run into problems with all the trees around targets that Smart Bullets are not going to be that useful while the E-11 will let you just blow your way through anything.

Punching through trees is going to exhaust your limited supply of ammunition very quickly. As for effectors I don't think trees will impair them that much. Hunt with a single f-lance fought off an entire force of slavers in a forest in "Devil Takes Hindmost" with some help from bow/spear armed villagers. His effectors weren't plowing into tress totally useless. Considering the maneuverability effectors and more primitive smart bullets have shown I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they could maneuver a path through the trees to a target. Then there is always the plasma burst for those situations when you want more firepower.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Lightsaber, I can start a fire with it, use it to hunt(klingons)....

A fire? When has anyone done that?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-02 12:34am

I'd take the E-11. Unless you also get Jedi powers the Light Saber is a bad bet. If worst comes to worst against the Borg, I'll get a rock, knock off the glued on part and lock and load with 9mm

However I doubt the Borg could traverse Endors terrain at any speed, there slow enough as it is.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-02 12:36am

Can somebody explan the diofference betyween all these to me, please?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-11-02 12:38am

I'd go for either the E11 or the M4 carbine. Either one would work well in the forest area with a combination of small size with a ranged attack. I personaly wouldn't be concered about enemy mortar attacks because indirect fire doesn't work well when deployed in a forested area so when the dumb ass's set up it would be a good time to ambush em and gain more weapons and supplies.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-11-02 02:22am

Alyrium Denryle wrote:Lightsaber, I can start a fire with it, use it to hunt(klingons)....

And cook them afterwards in the fire you started, I presume.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-02 02:50am

I would take the M4, Force Lance, or the E-11 depending on the armor of the guys chasing me. Realistically in the time frame, I would probably be best with those weapons before the others, especially the light saber. The choice between the three also concerns the ammo I am given. Ultimately, it would probably be the Force Lance or the E-11, dependent on how much ammo i am given.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2002-11-02 08:14am

with the t-800 there the e-11 is definately the weapon of choice here.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-02 08:47am

E-11.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 08:52am

The thing already has auto targeting capabilities and the aiming recticle shown in Nemesis

Are you kidding me

I trust you've never handled guns and I pointed out to you in that thread the "Aiming Recticle" is so damn completly useless its not even funny

Lemme paint you a picture

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Not the best drawing but stick with me

Ok then
See where the Scope is on top?

The Aiming Rectcle
HERE
|-----|
|-- ------|
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|| \ \

Is improley positioned and as mentioned before thanks to the shape of the top of the gun short of cutting it flat its impossible to get a Level Surface with the Aimer and instead its titled up

What does this mean?

Simple you Loose any Accurasy
Demostrating....

YOU------------------------->Target!

10 Meters

-------------------------------|
-------------------------------|HIT
YOU------------------------->Target!

30 Meters
-------------------------------|HIT
-------------------------------|
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YOU------------------------->Target!

In essance anything over 4-5 Meters(Where you won't need it) will be completly useless for Aiming(Follwing the Recticle at least)

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-11-02 09:55am

erm... a T21. I would want the heaviest one-person weapon I can get. Plus I won't think I'll need to be using it rapid-fire much. Borg: They're too slow. Klingons: TOO FUCKING NOISY!!! T800: Thats when I set the T21 to "antivehicle" setting. Lata and Happy Hunting!

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-02 11:02am

Mr Bean wrote:
The thing already has auto targeting capabilities and the aiming recticle shown in Nemesis
Are you kidding me

I trust you've never handled guns and I pointed out to you in that thread the "Aiming Recticle" is so damn completly useless its not even funny

Lemme paint you a picture
[snip]
In essance anything over 4-5 Meters(Where you won't need it) will be completly useless for Aiming(Follwing the Recticle at least)

Unless of course the recticle is designed for long range combat. I take it you already acknowledge the fact that Starfleet people have attained a rather high accuracy rating with this rifle even when firing from the hip. The only known miss with this weapon IIRC is from Insurrection when both Picard and Crusher fired at the same drone and Crusher fired first and missed by less then half a foot.

As to the recticle. Today we already have reflex sights that are holographic in nature and give you the same aiming range as iron sights. For all we know that sight is now standard issue on rifles for ranged fire but they continue to use the auto targeting for close range.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-11-02 11:16am

Well the basic question is what ammo do we have for the rifles, and secondly do we have force powers to accompany the Saber? if u get Force Powers then the saber is the way to go if not i'd prefer a weapon i'm familure with such as the automatic pistol from Broken Arrow or an AK47. I have experience with both.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 11:34am

Unless of course the recticle is designed for long range combat. I take it you already acknowledge the fact that Starfleet people have attained a rather high accuracy rating with this rifle even when firing from the hip. The only known miss with this weapon IIRC is from Insurrection when both Picard and Crusher fired at the same drone and Crusher fired first and missed by less then half a foot.

Oh so you want to claima good accurasy here..
And all of those shots? Less than ten meters correct?
What did I say about Accurasy under 10 Meters?

As to the recticle. Today we already have reflex sights that are holographic in nature and give you the same aiming range as iron sights. For all we know that sight is now standard issue on rifles for ranged fire but they continue to use the auto targeting for close range.

The point unless its a magicly spiff site that violates physics or is nothing more than another screen in which case it agian makes no sense

When you hold a rifle you tend to look down the barrel with THAT weapon however if you want to use the Scope you have to either hold it half-way extended from your body and look through it with a slight tilt OR look at it normaly but crane your next upwards to use the screen scope which frankly about the only way worse the gun could get is if you randomly shot backwards instead of forwards

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-02 11:50am

Mr Bean wrote:Oh so you want to claima good accurasy here..
And all of those shots? Less than ten meters correct?
What did I say about Accurasy under 10 Meters?

And did they even use sights in Insurrection of First Contact? Oh wait, they were firing from the hip and didn't have any sights. Also in DS9 Starship Down they were firing at ranges of 100+ meters and scoring at least 80% accuracy without sights and the beams were even firing off axis from the weapon.

When you hold a rifle you tend to look down the barrel with THAT weapon however if you want to use the Scope you have to either hold it half-way extended from your body and look through it with a slight tilt OR look at it normaly but crane your next upwards to use the screen scope which frankly about the only way worse the gun could get is if you randomly shot backwards instead of forwards

I see nothing about this rifle that would make it hard to view through that scope. The scope is a fair distance away from the stock itself. Nothing extremely different compared to an MP5 of M4 with scopes.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 11:59am

And did they even use sights in Insurrection of First Contact? Oh wait, they were firing from the hip and didn't have any sights. Also in DS9 Starship Down they were firing at ranges of 100+ meters and scoring at least 80% accuracy without sights and the beams were even firing off axis from the weapon.

Thanks for helping me prove my point there I have not watched either points I have a very simple contention

THE SIGHTS ARE BULLSHIT USELESS

I see nothing about this rifle that would make it hard to view through that scope. The scope is a fair distance away from the stock itself. Nothing extremely different compared to an MP5 of M4 with scopes.

The simple fact its Tilted UP is the problem, A Scope on an M4 or its bigger cousin the M16 is always very slightly titled up and the Handle relfects this as such and slopes down

Same with MP5 and various other guns

The Phase Rifle on the other hand does NOT

And tell me, now Alyeska

If every weapon on this planet has a slightly sloping or flat Handle/Mounting Area do you think there might be an exellent reason not to have a slooping up Area?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-11-02 01:52pm

Assuming I had Force sensitivity and training, the lightsaber, for slashing through undergrowth easily, better Borg kill-power, and overall the superior weapon.

If no Force training, then I would go with the E-11. Borg would pose a problem, but it would perfrom better in the forest than the M4.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-11-02 02:24pm

The M41A1 should have been put on the list (Pulse Rifle from Aliens)

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2002-11-02 03:15pm

verilon wrote:Can somebody explan the diofference betyween all these to me, please?

What ones are you not familar with?