Sun Tzu ressurected vs. Thrawn

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-02 12:16am

Both commaders know exactly what forces they control, and how to use them. They know what forces the other side has, and how they are used. The Forces at their disposal are comparable.

Who wins?

septesix · Post by **septesix** » 2002-11-02 01:53am

Being a Chinese myself, .....Sun Tzi of course

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-11-02 02:07am

If anyone wants to know more about Sun Tzu there's an annotated translation of The Art of War available for free at Project Gutenberg.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 04:47am

Thrawn

Sun Tzu never actually fought a war. His leadership meathods are... crude and primative he inspires no loyaty. He may be good at writing axioms, but Thrawn would chop him into X^X peices

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 08:07am

Sun Tzu never actually fought a war. His leadership meathods are... crude and primative he inspires no loyaty.

Considering the acutal life History of Sun Tzu is a completly mysetry(Outside of Myths and Legends) Beacuse of that I have to question your statment NecronLord

Furthermore as I said eariler to Stravo acutal when he was writing Thrawn I came up with an excellent anaolgy

Thrawn is in essance the appitomy of the Sage Commander Described by Sun Tzu

Sort of like this... Geroge Lucus is in pretty fine shape for his age, however if he had to fight a real life version of the Emperor I think he would go down hard

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 09:10am

Mr Bean wrote:
Sun Tzu never actually fought a war. His leadership meathods are... crude and primative he inspires no loyaty.
Considering the acutal life History of Sun Tzu is a completly mysetry(Outside of Myths and Legends) Beacuse of that I have to question your statment NecronLord

innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence to say that he did, therefore we presume he did not.

Furthermore as I said eariler to Stravo acutal when he was writing Thrawn I came up with an excellent anaolgy

Thrawn is in essance the appitomy of the Sage Commander Described by Sun Tzu

Sort of like this... Geroge Lucus is in pretty fine shape for his age, however if he had to fight a real life version of the Emperor I think he would go down hard

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 09:13am

innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence to say that he did, therefore we presume he did not.

innocent until proven guilty Necron there is no evidance to support that he was a terrible commander(The Negative) So we have to assume either he never commanded(Neutral) or he was a brillant Commander(The Positive)

Gulity is the Negative you should know that Necron

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 09:48am

Mr Bean wrote:
innocent until proven guilty. There is no evidence to say that he did, therefore we presume he did not.
innocent until proven guilty Necron there is no evidance to support that he was a terrible commander(The Negative) So we have to assume either he never commanded(Neutral) or he was a brillant Commander(The Positive)

I did say nutral, whereas we know thrawn is a brilliant commander

Gulity is the Negative you should know that Necron

"Don't get technical with me!"

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-02 10:31am

Thrawn, he's a brilliant field commander, probably the best in sci-fi. At best Sun-Tzu was an unotable officer, at worst not a commander at all. Against a full blown military genius like Thrawn he'd get his ass handed to him.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 11:05am

Like I said X^x pieces

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 11:37am

"Don't get technical with me!"

And don't bullshit me

The problem lies in we have Sun Tzu's Work but nothing about the man is an unknow

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 12:41pm

Mr Bean wrote:
"Don't get technical with me!"
And don't bullshit me

You accuse me of 'bullshiting' you?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 12:42pm

You accuse me of 'bullshiting' you?

You make a Claim with 0 Proof, What do you call that?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 01:17pm

Mr Bean wrote:
You accuse me of 'bullshiting' you?
You make a Claim with 0 Proof, What do you call that?

my claim is that there is no evidence that he ever commanded an army. If that is bullshitting then I am a CD-ROM

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-11-02 02:01pm

<Tries to put NecronLord in drive.>

"What the fuck? Damn thing is scratched."

<Throws useless CD out window.>

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-02 02:02pm

Damm, knew i should have brought the the destroyer body upgrade today.

Hits ground.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2002-11-02 02:08pm

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-11-02 02:54pm

The T'ai-Kung versus Thrawn would be a good match in my mind. The T'ai-Kung was a general who wrote the Six Secret Strategies of the Way of War, which is considered to be at least the equal of the Art of War in what it teaches.

For this battle, I would have to say Thrawn if he could look at ancient Chinese artwork. If not, it would be a tossup.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-02 03:29pm

Thrawn wins easily. Sun-Tzu may be the greatest strategist of all time, but he is not a tactician and, as a human, he is still subject to our faults. Thrawn has none of these problems.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-11-02 03:41pm

my claim is that there is no evidence that he ever commanded an army. If that is bullshitting then I am a CD-ROM

Ahem

Sun Tzu never actually fought a war. His leadership meathods are... crude and primative he inspires no loyaty.

Are those not your words?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-02 05:43pm

I wonder if he's going to next claim that Miamoto Musashi never touched a sword?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-03 06:56am

Mr Bean wrote: Sun Tzu never actually fought a war. His leadership meathods are... crude and primative he inspires no loyaty.

Are those not your words?[/quote]

I would like you to find some evidence that says he did fight a war, if not, conceed

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-11-03 07:06am

THe Yosemite Bear wrote:I wonder if he's going to next claim that Miamoto Musashi never touched a sword?

Musashi wandered over Japan, becoming a legend in his own time. We find mention of his name and stories of his prowess in registers, diaries, on monuments, and in folk memory from Tokyo to Kyushu. He had more than sixty contests before he was twenty-nine, and won them all. The earliest account of his contests appears in Niten Ki, or "Two Heavens Chronicle", a record compiled by his pupils a generation after his death.

wait, theres records of him actually fighting...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-03 08:00am

There are also no listings of Niccolo Machevelli's formal debates.

however we know he was a politician, and a big fan of the Borgias.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-11-03 08:12am

Oh, wait it get's better.

Thanks to Islamic and Christian Zealots none of Sappho's poetry remains.

So by your standard she never wrote a line?