The problem with the Tollan (SG1)

[Shinova]

For all their technological wizardy and high-fangled wisdom, why didn't they have a fleet of spaceships at any point?

[Dalton]

Perhaps they felt they didn't want them around for fear of theft. And since they can build their own Stargates, I guess they didn't need ships...

[FedRebel]

They're pacifists

[Nephilim]

IIRC, they did have spaceships. Just not alot of them.

[Jason von Evil]

They're xenophobes. They tried to avoid contact with other races, after a former Goa'uld human colony used some tech they lent them to build a bomb and blow themselves to hell. That and they had cannons powerful enough to blow Goa'uld ships out of the sky.

[SpacedTeddyBear]

They're pacifists

They are things that babies suck on? ??
* Cookie for whoever knows where that line came from*

They had ships. But apparently, they weren't really well armed. The evac ships they used were shot down as they were trying to leave the planet.

[Chris OFarrell]

They're pacifists

They are things that babies suck on? ??

Oh you mean a Pedofile?!

God RVB is funny

* Cookie for whoever knows where that line came from*

They had ships. But apparently, they weren't really well armed. The evac ships they used were shot down as they were trying to leave the planet.

So it would apepar. Their hyperdrives were also only on par with Goa'uld technology, years to cross the Galaxy.

[SCVN 2812]

They had transports but if they were armed it was for self defense. The Tollans are your typical high level, 'good' sci-fi race. All the tech one could want but they've lost the drive to expand and explore. They were just content to sit back and hide behind their wall of ion cannons.

They also really had no need of ships other than the transports they built to evacuate their old homeworld since as far as they were concerned, no existing threat could penetrate their defenses. The Asgard just wouldn't, until Anubis, 2 ion cannon shots would eviscerate a mothership and the cannons themselves can be powered down enough that their rate of fire combined with a good gunner make them okay against Death Gliders, not great but not defenseless.

To call them pacifists I think is misleading, they are quite willing and able to defend themselves, they have no qualms about destroying ships with 1,000-2,000 of what are effectively brainwashed, genetically modified humans aboard. That's not pacifism, that's, to borrow a gaming term, turtling.

[Jason von Evil]

Oh you mean a Pedofile?!

God RVB is funny

No, its "No, dude, thats a pedofile."

[Sir Sirius]

I'm am not certain of this, but I always got the impression that the Tollan were fairly few in number. If true the Tollan, despite their tech-level, might not have had the resources to maintain a fleet of warships.

[Crazedwraith]

They had ships. We contacted them in Tangent to see if any could swing by and pick up the x301 crew. They were all lot ofrange though, Impling they had somewhat sub-par hyperdrives.

[Crazedwraith]

They had ships. We contacted them in Tangent to see if any could swing by and pick up the x301 crew. They were all lot of range though, Impling they had somewhat sub-par hyperdrives.

Alos they had to had ship ref. Engima seeing as they went to a world with no stargate.

[Vympel]

Too bad they got wiped out ... their phase technology was cool.

[Rye]

That's something that's always bothered me in scifi, the whole "phasing" thing, it happened to daniel with the crystal skull thing, I think. It doesn't really matter since i'm sure you know what I'm talking about. He can walk through walls, tables and objects, but for an unknown reason he never falls through the floor or shoots off into the sky and away from the planet.

Now, with "smart" computers that could figure out where the floor was, they could either approximate electrostatic force there, or nullify the phasing field or something. But other times, like with the crystal skull thing, there's no smart computers doing that and it just looks like they wanted to try out a gimmick for an episode or two.

P.S Where did that crystal skull thing come from and what was its significance? I've long since forgotten.

[Siege]

It belonged to the big ghost dude in the pyramid who called himself Quetzalcoatl who basically claimed he was an enemy of the Goa'uld. Don't think they ever really explained how it ended up in a Mayan temple on Earth. Daniels grandfather stayed with him and that, as they say, was that.

[Crown]

For all their technological wizardy and high-fangled wisdom, why didn't they have a fleet of spaceships at any point?

I'm with you on this, to quote myself from another thread;


Another un-related question for you all; why are the Tollan such whinny pacifists with a prime directive? I mean Caesar said 'Veni, Vidi, Vici' not 'I came, I saw, I sold weapons to a primitive society that blew its self up and now I'm going to sit in the corner and cry about it'

[Crazedwraith]

For all their technological wizardy and high-fangled wisdom, why didn't they have a fleet of spaceships at any point?

I'm with you on this, to quote myself from another thread;


Another un-related question for you all; why are the Tollan such whinny pacifists with a prime directive? I mean Caesar said 'Veni, Vidi, Vici' not 'I came, I saw, I sold weapons to a primitive society that blew its self up and now I'm going to sit in the corner and cry about it'

Well maybe becuase they actually have morals and shot: oyu not wanting to practicly commit genocide?

Besides it was gnerator tech to give them safe clean energy not wepaons per se. The race made the leap to using them as wepaons and then blew themselves up.

[Crown]

Another un-related question for you all; why are the Tollan such whinny pacifists with a prime directive? I mean Caesar said 'Veni, Vidi, Vici' not 'I came, I saw, I sold weapons to a primitive society that blew its self up and now I'm going to sit in the corner and cry about it'

Well maybe becuase they actually have morals and shot: oyu not wanting to practicly commit genocide?

Besides it was gnerator tech to give them safe clean energy not wepaons per se. The race made the leap to using them as wepaons and then blew themselves up.

Fuck, that only makes them worse for crying out loud. They sold peacefull tech that another civilisation used to blow themselves up being retards, and then they have a cultural guilt trip

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

I thought the planet of primatives that blew themselves up was in the same system as the Tolan homeword, and blowing themselves to bits poluted the whole solar system.
The Tolan were forced to abandon their homeworld due to ecodamage from debre.
Having the help you offer be used for suicide is one thing, but losing your home to the colateral dammage made them rethink the whole "share the wealth" premis.

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

That or the sudden lack of a planetary body through off the celestial mechanics and destabilised their orbit.

[Shinova]

I think they said it was the changed orbit that trashed their homeworld.

[Straha]

It's sorta of a:
"We sold technology to the primatives, which they in turn used to destroy our home, property, and a portion of our people.."

They, inadvertantly, screwed themselves over big time, and now their never ever going to walk down that path again because they personally remember just what the hell it did to them just a few years ago.