Stprmtrooper armor durability

Acclamator · Post by **Acclamator** » 2002-12-08 12:54pm

A captured Imperial Stormtrooper is tied to an armored gurney, and a .50 cal antiaircraft machine gun is brought to bear above him. It then proceeds to rake him from head to toe continuously for five minutes.

What, in your opinion, would be his status when the five minutes were up?

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-08 12:56pm

Dead.
Transmitted shock would kill him.
.50 cal is meant to kill light vehicles.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2002-12-08 01:46pm

A normal blaster rifle seems to punch through the armor easily enough. The trooper is toast.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-08 01:51pm

Very much dead. With over 3000 rounds impacting several are going to find the body glove

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-08 02:14pm

So fucking dead it ain't funny.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-12-08 02:27pm

Dark trooper might survive, as that armour is (when it is on) prettymuch one-piece. Though of course, taking him alive would be a problem.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-12-08 02:38pm

I'm going to have to say that would be one dead fuck. A constant barrage for five minutes is way to much for the tupperware to hold up to.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-08 04:22pm

Although his body piece could certainly withstand a few hits, it would most definitely not stand up to that much fire.

A Big Flying Fish · Post by **A Big Flying Fish** » 2002-12-08 05:41pm

He's dead no matter what happens, impact shock takes care of that. I doubt the armour would survive, but if it does who ever finds him is going to pouring him out after that many shots.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-08 06:56pm

What about a single round dead on. Is Stormtrooper armor capable of stopping that kind of impact. All I recall from the descriptions was that it could deflect a blaster bolt that came in at an angle.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-08 07:55pm

TrailerParkJawa wrote:What about a single round dead on. Is Stormtrooper armor capable of stopping that kind of impact. All I recall from the descriptions was that it could deflect a blaster bolt that came in at an angle.

Sigh... According to the EU it can deflect a spear which imparts enough momentum to carry a man off his feet and propel him into a wall a meter or so away. And this without any damage more noticable than a nick.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... sc-SW.html
In the body armor section.

Suffice it to say that this is a greater amount of energy than any hand-held infantry weapon can impart.

Post by **AdmiralKanos** » 2002-12-08 08:04pm

A Big Flying Fish wrote:He's dead no matter what happens, impact shock takes care of that.

Impact shock is irrelevant. He is on a stabilized, armoured gurney, which means that the shock will be transmitted to the gurney rather than his body (please try to think about the physics of the situation). If the shell does not deform into him, he'll be fine. Unfortunately, as Sea Skimmer points out, that much volume of fire will inevitably find the joints.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-08 08:13pm

He's gonna get pasted.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-08 08:28pm

Dead, of course. Such ammunition, in such an enormous volume, will inevitably find the seems in the armor and kill the man. Stormtrooper armor does not provide 100% protection. It provides very good protection, but it is not perfect, and such an attack would obviously overwhelm it.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2002-12-09 01:16am

Acclamator, question what type of ammo is being used in this debate? Is it
Ball, AP, HE, HEAP, Incendiary, SABOT, or all of the above?

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-09 01:37am

Sigh... According to the EU it can deflect a spear which imparts enough momentum to carry a man off his feet and propel him into a wall a meter or so away. And this without any damage more noticable than a nick.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tec ... sc-SW.html
In the body armor section.

Suffice it to say that this is a greater amount of energy than any hand-held infantry weapon can impart.

Er...thanks. Ive never noticed this section of the website. Kinda embarassing considering how long Ive been around.

Im glad it explains the Stormtroopers were killed by arrows to the black body glove. I always thought they were killed by an arrow through the armor on Endor, which was contrary to what the Star Wars Resource Book said about Stormtrooper armor.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-09 02:38am

About this stormtroopers killed by arrows to the body glove-

where do we see this happen in the film? I've see an arrow stick out of the non-armored part of a scout trooper backpack, and one bounce straight off one of the shoulder pauldrons, but where do we see a stormtrooper die from one?

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 2002-12-09 05:24am

I dont know... weve got Ewoks with arrows and spears and rocks (none weilded with brutal force) putting down the blokes in the white armour.

Id not want to be around for even one .50 cal round...

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-09 05:36am

Marcus wrote:I dont know... weve got Ewoks with arrows and spears and rocks (none weilded with brutal force) putting down the blokes in the white armour.

Id not want to be around for even one .50 cal round...

Did you even bother to read the thread?

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 2002-12-09 05:39am

Yes, I did read the thread, Vypmel... and the page.

And for that matter, ive seen the movie, too.

~shrugs~ based on the apparent performace of the armour, from that RoTJ film, I wouldnt want to trust my Stormtrooper armour against a single .50Cal round.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-12-09 06:45am

Marcus wrote:~shrugs~ based on the apparent performace of the armour, from that RoTJ film, I wouldnt want to trust my Stormtrooper armour against a single .50Cal round.

So some guys fall on the ground because they've had head sized rocks thrown down at their heads, and one fall on his back because he tripped when he took a step back to get a better shot at an Ewok that just dropped a rock down at him from a glider, so therefore their armour has crappy apparent performance? Would you like to volunteer as a test subject for rocks of that size to be dropped on your head when you are wearing a modern infantry helmet?

Of course, you could try to use primative stick arrows were penetrating Stormie and Scoutie armour as backing evidence... But besides the already mentioned two times against Scoutie armour, every arrow that we get to see clearly IIRC showed them to simple bounce clean off the armour.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-09 07:02am

Marcus wrote:Yes, I did read the thread, Vypmel... and the page.

And for that matter, ive seen the movie, too.

~shrugs~ based on the apparent performace of the armour, from that RoTJ film, I wouldnt want to trust my Stormtrooper armour against a single .50Cal round.

Then to add what Lord of the Farce aptly pointed out

- You clearly cannot read

- You fail to understand the physics behind getting a massive rock being dropped on your head, no matter how strong your helmet is. Or do you think that armor is magic and the kinetic energy from the impact does not travel anywhere

- You reject the official evidence that a stormtrooper chest plate can withstand a spear being hurled by a droid arm with sufficient strength to pick up a man and throw him against a wall, without any loss of structural integrity.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2002-12-09 01:38pm

It has been a long time since I saw ROTJ. I remember the arrow sticking out the back of a Stormtrooper. I interpeted that a him being hurt or killed but Id have to watch closely to be sure. I know plenty of others on this site have already done that, so I will take their word for it that it was his backpack.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 2002-12-09 02:10pm

I esitmate the KE Transfer of a .50 Cal round to be higher than that of a rock dropped/thrown from 20 ft or so in the air by an attack teddybear.

Now, the 'strapped to a Gurney' bit will no doubt help.

That said, wasnt it supposed to be Wookies as the 'native fuzzies' kicking around the stormies in RoTJ? That would make rather alot more sense...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-12-09 04:51pm

TrailerParkJawa wrote:It has been a long time since I saw ROTJ. I remember the arrow sticking out the back of a Stormtrooper. I interpeted that a him being hurt or killed but Id have to watch closely to be sure. I know plenty of others on this site have already done that, so I will take their word for it that it was his backpack.

There was a rather large and heated thread on Spacebattles some time ago, with full screencap support. After a basic education on how screencapping and picture compression works, it was decided that the scouttrooper in question suffered a direct hit to the neck piece of his body glove. I'll try and find the link for you.

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Stprmtrooper armor durability

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Stprmtrooper armor durability