Palpatine vs. the God Emperor of Mankind (WH40K)

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-02-06 12:45pm

Palpatine is at his most powerful Dark Empire levels. Can he win?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-02-06 12:49pm

...A great disturbance in the Force, as if a million voices cried "Lame" and were suddenly silenced...

Anyways, so we're talking Wankatine, great. What about the God-Emperor? He's got His good days and bad days too.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-02-06 12:52pm

He's at Pre - Heresy levels, full power.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-02-06 12:56pm

I know the Emperor could fuck up stellar distances at some point, but was that before or after he became a glow-in-the-dark cripple?

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-02-06 12:59pm

Before.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 01:10pm

OmegaGuy wrote:Before.

Wrong. After.

In any case, even wankatine is a bug on this guy's windshield. He waves his hand and turns Palapatine's blood to poison.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2006-02-06 01:46pm

Let's see:
Palpatine can make Force storms that can bring someone from across the galaxy or destroy a small rebel fleet (Without force users interfering).
The Emperor while all but dead and frozen on an atomic level (The golden throne is a stasis field, right?( can create storms that cover over a sector of space (Multiple star systems) and that last for centuries.

Palpatine is so fast that a jedi (Leia) can barely see him fighting Luke.
Space marines are almost (But not really) a blur to humans, Custodes make SM look like normal humans by comparison, Primarch's make them look like babies, and the Emperor makes them look pathetic by comparison.

Palpatine can make his stronghold drain the powers and willpower of a jedi (Arguable-but it probably is a major dark-side site [see the rpg, and Jedi academy that supports this in addition to Luke's statements]).
Horus before recieving an additional amping by the Chaos gods had turned his ship into a warp twisted nightmare that drove elite space marines horribly insane as soon as they teleported onto it.

Palpatine can kill Jedi council members quickly and easily.
A weakened, half dead weak primarch (Sanguinius) can break a large Bloodthirster over his knee, and Horus killed a terminator space marine in mid battle with the Emperor by looking at him.

In any case, even wankatine is a bug on this guy's windshield. He waves his hand and turns Palapatine's blood to poison.

Why so much effort? His mental bolt was as intense as a laser and powerful as a supernove, who knows what he could do by wriggling his fingers

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Wankatine is a bug on a Primarch's windshield in case anyone hasn't guessed,

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 01:49pm

DEATH wrote:Palpatine is so fast that a jedi (Leia) can barely see him fighting Luke.

Leia's summation that it was because Palpatine and Luke were moving fast is wrong. Jedi, even padawans, can become invisible, she is just not educated enough to know that.

Primarch's make them look like babies, and the Emperor makes them look pathetic by comparison.

Wrong. The Emperor is physically inferior to the primarchs. He's able to keep neck and neck with them, usually, by psionic might.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2006-02-06 02:01pm

Ask again in 6 months, lets see if the Heresy Novels and background books can avoid fucking the current stuff up the arse.

InDan Abnett we trust.....

This is probably the closest image to Kabandha the Bloodthirster we have, the Primarch was I would guess 9-10ft tall at the most.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/bloodt.htm

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2006-02-06 02:13pm

Wrong. The Emperor is physically inferior to the primarchs. He's able to keep neck and neck with them, usually, by psionic might.

Out of curiosity, what's the source for that?
The Emperor was possibly born "normally" (Physically at least), but normal chaos cultists can gain a physical boost from birth unless I'm mistaken, and the Emperor might have been born exceptionally powerful in form as wella s mind- he did match each of the Primarch's physically without any tricks.
Still If I'm wrong, I conceed that point- the source of his phisical abilities doesn't matter (He did fight Horus hth anyway- although he was trashed until he went "all out" and thrashed Horus).

Leia's summation that it was because Palpatine and Luke were moving fast is wrong. Jedi, even padawans, can become invisible, she is just not educated enough to know that.

Why would they want to become invisible to Leia? that would seem to be a waste of energy, when the logical explanation is that they are simply fighting very fast.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 02:37pm

DEATH wrote:
Wrong. The Emperor is physically inferior to the primarchs. He's able to keep neck and neck with them, usually, by psionic might.
Out of curiosity, what's the source for that?

Just about every index astartes article with him in. Hell, some of the primarchs beat him in contests.

The Emperor was possibly born "normally" (Physically at least), but normal chaos cultists can gain a physical boost from birth unless I'm mistaken, and the Emperor might have been born exceptionally powerful in form as wella s mind- he did match each of the Primarch's physically without any tricks.
Still If I'm wrong, I conceed that point- the source of his phisical abilities doesn't matter (He did fight Horus hth anyway- although he was trashed until he went "all out" and thrashed Horus).

Why would they want to become invisible to Leia? that would seem to be a waste of energy, when the logical explanation is that they are simply fighting very fast.

No. In the absolute canon, jedi are capable of invisibility. This is, incidentally, something they do while preparing to force-run. It doesn't mean they're zipping about so fast that they can't be perceived, they're just becoming invisible.

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2006-02-06 02:42pm

NecronLord wrote:
DEATH wrote:
Wrong. The Emperor is physically inferior to the primarchs. He's able to keep neck and neck with them, usually, by psionic might.
Out of curiosity, what's the source for that?
Just about every index astartes article with him in. Hell, some of the primarchs beat him in contests.

Leman Russ could out-eat and out-drink the Emperor, and the Emperor had to use his power fist just to stagger Russ.

That NOS Guy · Post by **That NOS Guy** » 2006-02-06 04:08pm

[quote="NecronLord"] Just about every index astartes article with him in. Hell, some of the primarchs beat him in contests.[quote]

Curiously enough, he was absolute pound for pound an equal to Vulkan physically. He has at least the strength and physical prowless of a Primarch.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 04:18pm

That NOS Guy wrote:Curiously enough, he was absolute pound for pound an equal to Vulkan physically. He has at least the strength and physical prowless of a Primarch.

Or he amps himself using his psionic power, which we know is easily possible, and doesn't require advanced genegeneering on earth in the year 4000 BC.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2006-02-06 04:27pm

Going from memory, been about a year since I read through my IAs on the primarchs.

I thought Russ was the only one that was able to beat him in anything, I remember most of the primarchs reconizing who and what the Emperor was and swearing loyalty on the spot - Angron and Mortarion being the other 2 notable hold outs.

That NOS Guy · Post by **That NOS Guy** » 2006-02-06 04:37pm

NecronLord wrote: Or he amps himself using his psionic power, which we know is easily possible, and doesn't require advanced genegeneering on earth in the year 4000 BC.

Possible, but in the same vein how do we know he's doing it? Yes, that sounds sophmoric, but doesn't the exact same possibility exist that he wasn't using his shift+1 powers in an effort to beat the Primarchs on their own turf and thus win their trust and admiration more easily?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 04:58pm

He definately uses his magic to amp his physical durabiity - no matter how genetically modified you are, having your throat torn out will still kill you in short order, but he managed. I don't see why he wouldn't be using it on the other occasions he fights.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2006-02-06 05:03pm

NecronLord wrote:He definately uses his magic to amp his physical durabiity - no matter how genetically modified you are, having your throat torn out will still kill you in short order, but he managed.

He wouldnt need to be modified i dont think. He may not even have been completely human, he was conceived by the combined energies of millions of Earth's sorcerers committing suicide in unison God only knows what kind of physical development that implies.

For all we know he could have some uber-regenerative power like Wolverine built in. It'd be kind of ironic actually that he be a mutant himself, considering his policy visa ve mutants (indeed i think they all but outright said this once, that he wasnt 'human' himself at all).

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 05:08pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote:He wouldnt need to be modified i dont think. He may not even have been completely human, he was conceived by the combined energies of millions of Earth's sorcerers committing suicide in unison God only knows what kind of physical development that implies.

He is fertile with ordinary humans. That's a hard upper a limit to how weird his body can be.

For all we know he could have some uber-regenerative power like Wolverine built in. It'd be kind of ironic actually that he be a mutant himself, considering his policy visa ve mutants (indeed i think they all but outright said this once, that he wasnt 'human' himself at all).

He was a psyker, not a 'mutant.' Though of course, psykers are mutations.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 05:09pm

Azazal wrote:I thought Russ was the only one that was able to beat him in anything,

Correct. But he does not physically make them look pathetic. They make good fights of it.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2006-02-06 05:45pm

Were his offspring fertile though?

I cant recall much being said of the Sensei only that they were the offspring of the Emperor, i dont know if it was implied they were fertile offspring or not.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2006-02-06 05:46pm

Ghetto edit:

I mean like a lion and a tiger can have a kid, but it wont be a fertile offspring. Thats important to weather or not two species are compatable is it not?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-02-06 06:06pm

Doesn't matter. If you're such a mutant that you can somehow regenerate having your windpipe ripped out, as in, literally torn away from your body, you're not 'realistically' even going to be the same genus any more. That's much more major than the differences between lions and tigers... This is plant-vs-animal level.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-02-06 11:27pm

Unless Palpatine has access to a metric fuckload of neat Force-wank-enhancing crap or he's got a whoile hell of a lot more force potential to tap than I think he does (which I doubt he will), he's fucked.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2006-02-06 11:35pm

18-Till-I-Die wrote:Were his offspring fertile though?

I cant recall much being said of the Sensei only that they were the offspring of the Emperor, i dont know if it was implied they were fertile offspring or not.

The Sensei are sterile. And augmenting physical prowess with psychic energy are a fairly common set of abilities. Of course, that doesn't mean you can match a warp crafted, gene engineered superman in a packing away the calories contest.

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