ID4 Mothership vs. SSD

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:14pm

okay, we dont really know about how strong the Independance Day alien ships are really, or at least not their shields, because they are only taken down by a virus. lets just assume that the Imps dont discover this, or it takes quite a long time to. so, who do ya think would win? the mothership or the SSD? the ID4 mothership is huge... see link.....

the Mothership is many many times larger than even the huge ssd.......

opinions? i wanna say ssd just cuz i like the Imps but im not sure....
http://members.fortunecity.com/zardalu/indexid4.html

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:15pm

damn lack of edit button.... lets try that link again...

http://members.fortunecity.com/zardalu/indexid4.html

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:17pm

fukin eh...

and theres 83 city destroyers, not 24.

oops......

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-30 07:19pm

The ID4 aliens needed 15-mile wide ships to do the damage of a 5-10 megaton bomb. The SSD would easily have orders of magnitude more firepower then the mother ship, if it has any guns at all. The Mothership also lacks shielding, we saw a satellite smash directly into the hull.

A few SSD salvo's would rip into it and reach the power core, assuming the initial damage is not fatal.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-30 07:19pm

We saw the city-killer weapon, and it's megaton-range at the most. A hundred of those things could fire their weapons at an SSD and not even annoy it. Since it seems reasonable to conclude that weapon firepower must be at least remotely commensurate to shield strength, I doubt that the ID4 mothership could withstand the SSD's attack.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:24pm

makes sense.

although, remember, their *supposed* goal was to just kill people, not destroy the planet or anything. so perhaps they werent using their city-killers at optimal destruction power?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-30 07:25pm

When has the nother ship ever demonstrated having weaponry on it? As for the city killers, look at the power up time, then remember that the SSD pulls a few thousand G. It would be out of there long before the gun is charged. And that's assuming that they can fire the main gun in space. The fighters may be a threat, as sheer weight of numbers means they can kill the ties and then ram the SSD to death, but other then that, I can't recall the mothership ever demonstration any combat capabilities of it's own.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:25pm

afterall, they wanted to use the planet and all.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-30 07:29pm

meNNis wrote:makes sense.

although, remember, their *supposed* goal was to just kill people, not destroy the planet or anything. so perhaps they werent using their city-killers at optimal destruction power?

If all of those ships fired gigaton range blasts, they would have annihilated virtually all resistance. They only wanted its mineral resources (they intended to "strip mine" the planet), and those would be unaffected. Their failure to do so can be chalked up to either rank stupidity and "holding back" (beware acting like a Rabid Fiver) or actual limitations on their weaponry.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:34pm

Ender wrote:When has the nother ship ever demonstrated having weaponry on it? As for the city killers, look at the power up time, then remember that the SSD pulls a few thousand G. It would be out of there long before the gun is charged. And that's assuming that they can fire the main gun in space. The fighters may be a threat, as sheer weight of numbers means they can kill the ties and then ram the SSD to death, but other then that, I can't recall the mothership ever demonstration any combat capabilities of it's own.

thats true, i had totally forgotten about the sheilded fighters. they could create quite a problem possibly.

and also, remember, just because we havnt seen the mothership fire any weapons, doesnt mean it has none. afterall, it had no reason to be shooting anything, considering how it had no opposition in space.

also, a side note, im sure it wouldnt require much power, but do remember it managed to suck in and destroy EVERY sattelite in space within a day or two (?) i think.

probably not much power, but perhaps something to think about?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-30 07:36pm

Actually, each city-killer carries only a miniscule number of fighters relative to its size. In the ending battle, we saw that the Americans were not outnumbered even though they were using the fighters from just one airbase and the aliens had the vast city-ship to draw from.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2002-12-30 07:42pm

well, ok, lets figure that each one carries... oh.... ill stick to a low end figure and say 50 fighters. im pretty sure i saw more come out but lets say 50. 50x83 for each city-killer, plus i saw plenty inside the mothership, so lets assume that has at the very LEAST 50. this is VERY low end. so 50x84 = 4200 fighters. and theyre all sheilded. how strong their sheilds are are unknown, probably very weak when compared to SW. but still, even if they WERENT shielded, thats one hellofa lot of fighters to shoot at, be shot at by, or be rammed into by

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-30 07:45pm

meNNis wrote:well, ok, lets figure that each one carries... oh.... ill stick to a low end figure and say 50 fighters. im pretty sure i saw more come out but lets say 50. 50x83 for each city-killer, plus i saw plenty inside the mothership, so lets assume that has at the very LEAST 50. this is VERY low end. so 50x84 = 4200 fighters. and theyre all sheilded. how strong their sheilds are are unknown, probably very weak when compared to SW. but still, even if they WERENT shielded, thats one hellofa lot of fighters to shoot at, be shot at by, or be rammed into by

Since there's no Mon Calamari ships to knock down the SSD's shields with heavy turbolaser fire and their capships are woefully inadequate, the fighters can all die on the SSD's shields and it will have no measurable effect. 4200 fighters sounds like a lot, but the density of guns on the Executor is much higher than the official literature pegs it at; it's got more guns than the ID4 aliens have fighters.

Ultimately, it still comes down to firepower; the aliens simply don't have enough, and the Imps have way too much.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-30 07:50pm

One of the alien fighters was disabled by a collision with the ground that did not even stop the thing, WHEN the fighter was fully shielded. If that translated even partially into the shielding of the mothership, we find that the mothership is destroyed easily. Besides which, when one considers that each of the medium guns on an SSD does orders of magnitude more damage than the city-killer weapons in ID4, we see that the alien mothership has almost no chance of stopping an SSD. The fact that one of those ships could withstand a "tactical nuclear strike" does not demonstrate a spectacular resistance to weapons fire that the Imperials cannot best, and the fact that the hull of their city-killers was incapable of resisting conventional warheads fired form fighters (and the hull of their fighters was incapable of resisting 30mm cannon fire) does not speak highly of their abilities--particularly since TIE fighters can withstand micrometeor impacts.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-30 07:55pm

meNNis wrote:and also, remember, just because we havnt seen the mothership fire any weapons, doesnt mean it has none. afterall, it had no reason to be shooting anything, considering how it had no opposition in space.

It also doesn't mean it has any, as it would not expect any opposition in space and would not require defenses beyond a shield as a result. And even if they are there, there is zero indication of the power of said weapons.

also, a side note, im sure it wouldnt require much power, but do remember it managed to suck in and destroy EVERY sattelite in space within a day or two (?) i think.

No, it used a few satallites. HTe ones that were destroyed were probably done so by hitting the hull like we saw in the film.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-30 09:49pm

Fighters would be a non-existent threat. Their weapons had the effect of a Blast frag warhead of perhapes 50-75 pounds. Starwars fighters have taken multiple 2-kiloton hits and kept flying.

The fighter hulls themselves where being ripped open and the craft where exploding from 25 and 90 pound Blast Frag warheads and even 20mm cannon shells.

AWACS · Post by **AWACS** » 2003-01-01 07:40am

Well duh. The ID4 ships firepower is so pathetic that even a ST ship could trash them.

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-01-02 04:27am

Id4 ships taking out SSD's , PLEASE..... those ships are so weak, a rapper from fresh prince took one out with the help of the guy from "Earth Girls are Easy". The Alien Tech was so weak, that a Powermac with a Win95 took one out using a boot sector virus.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2003-01-02 06:41am

meNNis wrote: and also, remember, just because we havnt seen the mothership fire any weapons, doesnt mean it has none. afterall, it had no reason to be shooting anything, considering how it had no opposition in space.

They would be STUPID not to fire any weapons. They came to ***exterminate*** all humans in earth, remember????? Considering the city destroyer only fired a pathetic few megatons shit, oops I mean shot, it would be stupid for the mothership to stand still and doesn't fire anything.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2003-01-02 08:08am

Actualy the fighters might kill a few ties if they can hit them. But since the
ties have can accelerate at thousands of gs they would be extremely difficult to to hit hit. Furthurmore the SSD would probobly have shielded
assault gunboats and tie defenders. These thing can withstand kiloton level
blasts and would be totaly unstoppable. Also since the ID4 fighters don't
have any means of of jamming the SSD's sensors they will be butchered
by the SSD point defense guns.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-02 08:09am

Not to mention that the hull of these stupid discs can be damaged by modern day air-to-air misisles.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-01-02 08:26pm

Mike: If you really wanted to go as far as to calculate how much damage the city destroyer ship's hull could take, I'd be more than happy to take any screenshot you want.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-02 08:42pm

Well, to be honest, I'm not too interested in ID4. I thought it was an atrocious movie in most respects. Another Will Smith self-glorification vehicle, like Wild Wild West.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-01-03 02:22am

And SSD can outrun every weapon fired at it and ram the mothership to death if it wanted.

Too bad no ESSD superlazer....

Dennis Toy · Post by **Dennis Toy** » 2003-01-03 03:30am

Id4 was shit, to me it was a summer movie fix of 1996 and nothing more.

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