[spoilers] The Scimitar dropped in the B5 universe

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[spoilers] The Scimitar dropped in the B5 universe

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The Scimitar is dropped into the B5 universe, 20 lightyears from B5. It's orders are to to cause as much damage to the younger races as possible. It has an escort of 2 new Valinor (is that the name?) class Warbirds. What can it do? This takes place 2 years before ACTA.
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The Remans and Romulans run wild until they run out of fuel, ammunition, replicator feedstock, or spare parts. After that they're dead.
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The Scimitar wreaks havoc until it runs out of fuel and supplies they are boarded. The boarders bring flashlights. The Remasn run away. The end.
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It can wipe out most anything it encounters with ease. It and its escorts will carve a light years long path of destruction. Blowing jump gates will make interstellar travel near impossible for the B5 powers, ensuring they can't mass an overwhelming fleet, even if they do have the ships.
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Most capital ships in B5 have jumppoint equipment, IIRC. This does not, however, change the final situation. The Romulan force destroys whatever the hell YR stuff it pleases until it runs out of supplies. What would happen if they went after the FOs is harder to tell.
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Scimitar is a 5000 lb gorilla in the B5 universe. It does whatever it damn well pleases.
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Ender wrote:Scimitar is a 5000 lb gorilla in the B5 universe. It does whatever it damn well pleases.
Until he runs outta bananas, anyways. :?
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Howedar wrote:Most capital ships in B5 have jumppoint equipment, IIRC.
Nitpick: I think he was talking about the loss of navigation by 'blowing up the jumpgates'. Remember the YR still have to stay closer to the beacon in order to navigate Hyperspace. The beacon's are tied to the JP, without that the YR are screwed. :wink:
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Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Ender wrote:Scimitar is a 5000 lb gorilla in the B5 universe. It does whatever it damn well pleases.
Until he runs outta bananas, anyways. :?
Supplies weren't an unsolvable problem for the Voyager.
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The Scimitar lasts for about 5 minutes...

Until someone flies a shuttle through the plate glass window in the middle of it, then flies down to the engine room and releases some torpedoes.
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Ender wrote:Supplies weren't an unsolvable problem for the Voyager.
Because Voyager was in it's own galaxy, where everybody uses the same tech. I don't think any ST tech can be observed in the B5 universe. Not that the Scimitar would have a whole lot of time to sit around and gather supplies if it's made itself an enemey of the various cultures of B5 anyways.
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I think about three Omega destroyers would do the trick...
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SolidSnake wrote:I think about three Omega destroyers would do the trick...
What, are they going to ram it to death? And hope that it just sits there, uncloaked, and doesn't fire any of its weapons?
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*Three Omega destroyers approach, Scimitar fires torpedoes three-spread. Omegas die.*
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Or the Scimitar could use its uber-weapon thingy. Since no Younger Race ships I've seen have shields (except maybe the White Stars ... can't remember), it'd cut right through them. To top it off, it'd be invisible the whole time.
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Huge destruction orgy...only to be ended because they have no way to resupply.

Sorta funny that it will be the big dog only to run out of fuel and be something that probably the Younger races would try and dissect for research.
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Ghost Rider wrote: Sorta funny that it will be the big dog only to run out of fuel and be something that probably the Younger races would try and dissect for research.
They would probably self-destruct if they were totaly out of resources, rather than become test subjects to the YRs.
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King Tiger wrote:The Scimitar is dropped into the B5 universe, 20 lightyears from B5. It's orders are to to cause as much damage to the younger races as possible. It has an escort of 2 new Valinor (is that the name?) class Warbirds. What can it do? This takes place 2 years before ACTA.
It's Valdore. Valinor is the land were the valar live in middle earth. Its where the elves run away to on LotR.
Enlightenment wrote:The Remans and Romulans run wild until they run out of fuel, ammunition, replicator feedstock, or spare parts. After that they're dead.
They'd have to conserve torpedoes, the replicator feedstock is not a problem really, as IIRC all they need is Deuterium, which is sort of easy to find. Fuel is antimatter and dueterium from Voy. I would assume the hardest thing to acquire would be antimatter. What do B5 YR ships use for power? Also they don't need weapons. If the YR ships do not have sheilds then the romulans can simply beam the crews into space.
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They'd have to conserve torpedoes, the replicator feedstock is not a problem really, as IIRC all they need is Deuterium, which is sort of easy to find. Fuel is antimatter and dueterium from Voy. I would assume the hardest thing to acquire would be antimatter. What do B5 YR ships use for power? Also they don't need weapons. If the YR ships do not have sheilds then the romulans can simply beam the crews into space.
Minbari ships use antimatter for power. As for the Omega's, fusion tipped missiles fired in the general direction of where the cloaked Schimitar is. It would be more fun if they were Omega X's
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SolidSnake wrote: Minbari ships use antimatter for power.
Prove it, only source we have says fusion. Anything else is pure fan wank.
As for the Omega's, fusion tipped missiles fired in the general direction of where the cloaked Schimitar is. It would be more fun if they were Omega X's
Yes, because a blind fired missile has a snowballs chance in hell of hitting a manuvering, cloaked ship that is killing the Omegas from well beyond their range.
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Ender wrote:
SolidSnake wrote: Minbari ships use antimatter for power.
Prove it, only source we have says fusion. Anything else is pure fan wank.

Whats your source that says nuclear fusion? And matter/antimatter collisions can be considered fusion
As for the Omega's, fusion tipped missiles fired in the general direction of where the cloaked Schimitar is. It would be more fun if they were Omega X's
Yes, because a blind fired missile has a snowballs chance in hell of hitting a manuvering, cloaked ship that is killing the Omegas from well beyond their range.
Oh, like the blind phasers hitting the ship in STN?
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SolidSnake wrote: Whats your source that says nuclear fusion? And matter/antimatter collisions can be considered fusion
Nice try at passing the burden of proof, but no dice. You need to prove it, not me.
Oh, like the blind phasers hitting the ship in STN?
Do you not grasp the difference between a beam weapon at the same range and a missile weapon at far beyond range?
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Oh, like the blind phasers hitting the ship in STN?
Do you not grasp the difference between a beam weapon at the same range and a missile weapon at far beyond range?
Hmmm... The Omega Destroyer is bristling with weapons. It could fire its interceptors to see where they hit, or even use the "pulse cannons" or its main guns. When it hits something, get a general idea of where the target is, then fire missiles for remote detonation
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SolidSnake wrote: Hmmm... The Omega Destroyer is bristling with weapons. It could fire its interceptors to see where they hit, or even use the "pulse cannons" or its main guns. When it hits something, get a general idea of where the target is, then fire missiles for remote detonation
This whole idea of "range" just went totally over you head, didn't it?
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No-one has specified that that shinpad idiot is in charge of the Schem. As such any competent commander would engage at maximum weapons range, making the chances of hitting it astronomically low.
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