EVA 01 vs. an ISD II

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2003-01-04 02:10pm

Who wins?

ISD is in the atmosphere so the EVA can fire at it.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-01-04 02:26pm

That's a lot of cooked flesh.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-01-04 02:28pm

Eva 01 gets it's ass kicked after ISD opens fire with all guns it can bring to bear, overwhelming 01s AT field and vaporizing it, Tokyo-03, and the area surrounding them for good measure.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-01-04 02:36pm

VF5SS wrote:That's a lot of cooked flesh.

Yep, the entire Terran population.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-04 02:47pm

Eva loses, unless it can somehow initiate the Third Impact in time, or has the Lance of Longinigus. Then the lance has to get through the shields, penetrate the hull, and damage it enough to make it inoperable.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-04 02:49pm

Eva 01 looses. It's only hope is the Beserk EVA Plot Device.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-04 05:18pm

The ISD falls down, creating shockwaves from it's impromptu landing that knock EVA 01 down. Then the TIEs finish it off.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-05 06:54pm

OK, I just finished marathoning NGE the other day...

Several points:

1) we have no upper-limit for what an AT field can withstand, but it is repeated quite often that conventional weapons have no effect. However, we see that once an AT field is neutralised/penetrated by an EVA (the only thing that we've seen that CAN penetrate them) they are vulnerable to conventional weapons.

2) AT fields are mental barriers, not physical shields... Does this have any effect?

3) EVAs might be big (random size changing depending on scene and episode)and strong, but I doubt they have the raw strength to destroy an ISD. None of their weapons (even the positron rifle) have enough firepower to pull it off. Though TIEs and smaller vessels and ground forces would be vulnerable.

4) The ISDs best bet would be to BDZ the local area, leaving the EVA swimming in a pool of magma. As it has been shown that though AT fields protect them from attack, they do no protect them from environment.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-05 07:00pm

This is a joke. The Eva is roasted, courtesy of ten thousand gigatons of destructive force.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-05 07:02pm

weemadando wrote:OK, I just finished marathoning NGE the other day...

Several points:

1) we have no upper-limit for what an AT field can withstand, but it is repeated quite often that conventional weapons have no effect. However, we see that once an AT field is neutralised/penetrated by an EVA (the only thing that we've seen that CAN penetrate them) they are vulnerable to conventional weapons.

2) AT fields are mental barriers, not physical shields... Does this have any effect?

3) EVAs might be big (random size changing depending on scene and episode)and strong, but I doubt they have the raw strength to destroy an ISD. None of their weapons (even the positron rifle) have enough firepower to pull it off. Though TIEs and smaller vessels and ground forces would be vulnerable.

4) The ISDs best bet would be to BDZ the local area, leaving the EVA swimming in a pool of magma. As it has been shown that though AT fields protect them from attack, they do no protect them from environment.

Erm, and those Evas that went into the lava were just a fluke?

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-01-05 07:11pm

Exonerate wrote: Erm, and those Evas that went into the lava were just a fluke?

No, they had special anti-lava equipment. Without it Evas can't last in a magma for more than a few minutes.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-05 07:36pm

Exonerate wrote:
weemadando wrote: 4) The ISDs best bet would be to BDZ the local area, leaving the EVA swimming in a pool of magma. As it has been shown that though AT fields protect them from attack, they do no protect them from environment.
Erm, and those Evas that went into the lava were just a fluke?

EVA02 went down in a specialised dive-suit (originally designed for deep-water operations) but Asuka also had specialised temperature regulating equipment.

EVA01 was under for only a few seconds (certainly less than a minute) in order to rescue Asuka and during that time sustained a degree of heat damage.

We also see EVA's unable to operate in water...

As such I'd be willing to wager that EVA's are vulnerable to environment.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-05 07:37pm

No, Evas were unable to operate in water because of their power cords... 01 after it absorbed its N2 Organ/Engine and the MP Evas could probably function underwater.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-05 08:25pm

Exonerate wrote:No, Evas were unable to operate in water because of their power cords... 01 after it absorbed its N2 Organ/Engine and the MP Evas could probably function underwater.

S2 organ.

And its unclear whether or not the inability of an EVA to operate in water was a result of the powercord or of an equipment inability.

The fact that the EVA remains powered and eventually moved would tend to indicate that it is an equipment problem with the EVA itself, not with the powercord.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-05 08:39pm

Episode 8, where 02 battles the underwater Angel:
Misato: --underwater battle is impossible with B-equipment.
That would imply that the equipment is the limiting factor.

Kensuke:What a waste...
Misato: Cable length?
First Officer: 1,200 remaining.
Captain: What will you do?
Misato: We can deal with it.
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Misato: Out of cable. Brace for shock.
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Asuka: What?! It's not working!
Shinji: With B-equipment...

It would seem that the cable is what is restraining 02 from effective underwater combat.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-05 08:56pm

Exonerate wrote:Episode 8, where 02 battles the underwater Angel:
Misato: --underwater battle is impossible with B-equipment.
That would imply that the equipment is the limiting factor.

Kensuke:What a waste...
Misato: Cable length?
First Officer: 1,200 remaining.
Captain: What will you do?
Misato: We can deal with it.
-------------------------

Misato: Out of cable. Brace for shock.
-------------------------

Asuka: What?! It's not working!
Shinji: With B-equipment...

It would seem that the cable is what is restraining 02 from effective underwater combat.

Bollocks.

They run out of cable length. Thats not the problem. The problem is that the EVA cannot function with its current outfitting.

One can reference the fact that they use D-type equipment (designed for underwater ops) in the magma episode.

As such we can infer that its the EVA itself that cannot function underwater.

Are you forgetting that humans are the only species that cannot instinctively swim?

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-05 08:56pm

Exonerate wrote:Episode 8, where 02 battles the underwater Angel:
Misato: --underwater battle is impossible with B-equipment.
That would imply that the equipment is the limiting factor.

Kensuke:What a waste...
Misato: Cable length?
First Officer: 1,200 remaining.
Captain: What will you do?
Misato: We can deal with it.
-------------------------

Misato: Out of cable. Brace for shock.
-------------------------

Asuka: What?! It's not working!
Shinji: With B-equipment...

It would seem that the cable is what is restraining 02 from effective underwater combat.

Bollocks.

They run out of cable length. Thats not the problem. The problem is that the EVA cannot function with its current outfitting.

One can reference the fact that they use D-type equipment (designed for underwater ops) in the magma episode.

As such we can infer that its the EVA itself that cannot function underwater.

Are you forgetting that humans are the only species that cannot instinctively swim?

And EVAs are created from what and in the image of what?

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-01-06 12:24am

The Eva AT-fields can be overwhelmed by a 180 GW positron beam or it's equivalent as seen in the battle with Ramiel(?); if the AT-field had been able to deflect or absorb the energy, they would not have needed the big rocket shield.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-06 12:35am

Uraniun235 wrote:The Eva AT-fields can be overwhelmed by a 180 GW positron beam or it's equivalent as seen in the battle with Ramiel(?); if the AT-field had been able to deflect or absorb the energy, they would not have needed the big rocket shield.

Point, but I thought the shield was there to protect the equipment more than anything else. Kind of like EVA-00 being there to act as a human shield.

I can also see EVA fanatics arguing that that kind of attack from an Angel bypasses the AT field of an EVA because of the whole Angel/EVA thing.

Joe Richter · Post by **Joe Richter** » 2003-01-06 04:19am

[quote="weemadando"]
Point, but I thought the shield was there to protect the equipment more than anything else. Kind of like EVA-00 being there to act as a human shield.
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Ah, but EVA-00 was mullered by the beam. all its frontal armour was slagged. So its AT field was insuficient to protect itself from the Angels beam.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-06 04:33am

Eva 01- Full Berserker with 400% sync ration would be one helluva force to be reckoned with and could win except for the fact that an Eva probably loses a lot of its combat effectiveness in Zero G since its designed for atmosphere. Assuming the ISD enters atmosphere the Eva's only weapon is probably the Lance of Longinus or one of those duplications used in EoE.

I think if Eva was given the same weapons that SEELE's EVA series used in EoE they would be able to hit the ISD in orbit and could do damage, I can't tell based on how hard Eva 00 tossed the Lance of Longinus into orbit.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-06 05:06am

The Lance of Longinus will do precisely dick to an ISD unless you're giving it some truly ridiculous mass numbers.

And what exactly makes you believe that Eva-01 at 400% synch (nevermind the ridiculousness of that idea) will pose even the slightest threat to an ISD in space or atmosphere?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-06 05:58am

Because I'm not sure that we could fully fathom the capabilities of a fully berserk Eva 01. This thing is supposed to be modeled after God, it has regenerated itself from scraps of an enemy after having a limb severed. And in EoE it nearly brought about the End of the World. While the events in EoE are not what would happen at all in a battle with an ISD there is definitely some untapped power we never exactly saw.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-06 06:00am

I just watched Eva DVD 7 again and Im in agreement on the Lance of Longinus not doing shit to a shielded ISD.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-06 06:02am

Goddamn lack of editing, oy....

I did say that if Eva was in Zero G it would be helpless:

and could win except for the fact that an Eva probably loses a lot of its combat effectiveness in Zero G since its designed for atmosphere