Death Star vs Culture Ship

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-04 10:46pm

Can the DSII stand up to anything that the Culture has? I know that the Culture is uber powerful, but my question is not strictly speaking Empire vs Culture, I just want to know what the DSII equivalent would be in the Cultreverse.

So please specify what type of Culture ship the DSII would be, and just for the sake of this, I am talking about weapons. Also please assume that the DSII is fully armed, completed and operational, and has its shields up at all times.

Thanks.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-04 10:50pm

Surely you jest. Any Culture ship worthy of the name would rip the DS2 a new one.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-04 10:54pm

The DS requires more than a second to charge up and fire. Therefore, it is royally screwed.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-04 11:06pm

Are there any other weaker races in the Culture verse? I just wanna get a real clear picture of how powerful the Culture actually are. Right now they are mind-boggling

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-04 11:09pm

Crown wrote:Are there any other weaker races in the Culture verse? I just wanna get a real clear picture of how powerful the Culture actually are. Right now they are mind-boggling

Lets just say that Culture ships routinely sit within stars when hiding from more powerful ships.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-04 11:18pm

Alyeska wrote:Lets just say that Culture ships routinely sit within stars when hiding from more powerful ships.

God damn!

I think then that this has now, officially become a redundant thread!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-04 11:19pm

Even one of the lesser Culture vessels would be able to destroy the entire Imperial military with all known super weapon, it would just take a while.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-04 11:27pm

Alyeska wrote:
Crown wrote:Are there any other weaker races in the Culture verse? I just wanna get a real clear picture of how powerful the Culture actually are. Right now they are mind-boggling
Lets just say that Culture ships routinely sit within stars when hiding from more powerful ships.

That's not as impressive as you think. The Naboo cruiser from Ep II could sit on a star's surface without a blip on her shields.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-04 11:34pm

SirNitram wrote:That's not as impressive as you think. The Naboo cruiser from Ep II could sit on a star's surface without a blip on her shields.

Whhhaaaat? Errr, I never heard of that before, is true? How do you figure that?

Very confused at the moment.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-01-04 11:39pm

Crown wrote:Can the DSII stand up to anything that the Culture has? I know that the Culture is uber powerful, but my question is not strictly speaking Empire vs Culture, I just want to know what the DSII equivalent would be in the Cultreverse.

So please specify what type of Culture ship the DSII would be, and just for the sake of this, I am talking about weapons. Also please assume that the DSII is fully armed, completed and operational, and has its shields up at all times.

Thanks.

Let's see. Imperial ranges . . . hundreds of thousands of kilometers.

Culture ranges . . . trillions of kilometers.

Any Imperial weapons platform would be dead before the photons bouncing off it's surface would've had time to travel ten feet.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-04 11:42pm

Crown wrote:
SirNitram wrote:That's not as impressive as you think. The Naboo cruiser from Ep II could sit on a star's surface without a blip on her shields.
Whhhaaaat? Errr, I never heard of that before, is true? How do you figure that?

Very confused at the moment.

The original calc's. They can be matched against any derived or officially stated numbers.

For pure shield output, I'll run some simple calc's on the surface of a star, and how much a TF Core Ship would have absorbed had it been there instead of a GSV.

Power Intensity at surface of star(Ruthlessly stolen from Mike's Science section): ~ 6E7 W/m²

Profile of a TF Core Ship(Excluding comm towers): 655,785.86 m²(Rounded to 655km to make my life a little saner)

Energy absorbed by TF shields, assuming 100% transfer of energy: ~3.9E14W

Or.....

One billionth of the TF Core Ship's 6e23W peak shield generation.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-04 11:59pm

SirNitram wrote:One billionth of the TF Core Ship's 6e23W peak shield generation.

Holly tolito! I never thought of that! Does this though mean that SW shields have a chance against Culture weapons?

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Let's see. Imperial ranges . . . hundreds of thousands of kilometers.

Culture ranges . . . trillions of kilometers.

Any Imperial weapons platform would be dead before the photons bouncing off it's surface would've had time to travel ten feet.

Are you assuming that Culture weapons are more powerful than the DSII shields? (or do you know that they are, sorry I am a little ignorant)

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-01-05 12:03am

Crown wrote:Holly tolito! I never thought of that! Does this though mean that SW shields have a chance against Culture weapons?

Only if the Mind controlling those weapons decided to use them in such a way that the shields have a chance to block them.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-05 12:07am

XaLEv wrote:Only if the Mind controlling those weapons decided to use them in such a way that the shields have a chance to block them.

So Culture weapons can bi-pass shields? Sorry very ignorant about the Culture, and I hope that I didn't mis-understand your meaning. After all I did specify assume that the DSII has shields up at all times.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-01-05 12:11am

Crown wrote: So Culture weapons can bi-pass shields? Sorry very ignorant about the Culture, and I hope that I didn't mis-understand your meaning. After all I did specify assume that the DSII has shields up at all times.

They use hyperdimensional weaponry, allowing them to fire around shields.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-05 12:12am

Crown wrote:
SirNitram wrote:One billionth of the TF Core Ship's 6e23W peak shield generation.
Holly tolito! I never thought of that! Does this though mean that SW shields have a chance against Culture weapons?

Questionable. It depends on the weapon, really. Against fusion bombs and plasma charges, it'll not even be breaking a sweat. Whether Displacers can drop things through a shield is hardly an open and shut case(Because Wars shields extend into Hyperspace and other dimensions). In pure power, Wars won't last long. But the Culture is not as invincible as some would make you believe.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-05 12:24am

Not invincible but sufficiently powerful, and just as importantly, they're good at applying that power.

The Culture has ever concievable advantage over the Wars Universe. Even the weakest of ships would kill the DS2. Hell an Affront light cruiser could probably do it.

And Torturer-class ROU would make the Empire it's bitch quickly enough. And a GSV, well slaughter would be to light a term.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-05 12:25am

Even if we're exceedingly generous to SW and declare SW shields are sufficiently hyperdimensional to block displacers and effectors, the estimated yield for Culture gridfire is on the order of 1e55j.

Charbroiled doesn't even begin to describe it.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-05 12:28am

Assuming SW shields can block displacers AND effectors, what's the firepower range for culture bombs? (one of their main weapons i believe)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-05 12:30am

Shinova wrote:Assuming SW shields can block displacers AND effectors, what's the firepower range for culture bombs? (one of their main weapons i believe)

They make the Death Star look like a sparkler. Estimates of the power of grid fire (as Enlightenment first posted) run to 1E55J.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-05 12:32am

I would like to see where the yield of Gridfire is derived from. One of the main claims I hear is that the orbital vapped was made of stuff stronger than QC Armor.. I really want to know how people got to that conclusion.

Of course, I never claimed they could withstand touching Gridfire. But if the shields reach across dimensions, could you even open the hole into their ships?

As for 'every conceivable advantage', I find that a blanket statement made without thinking. Hyperdrive outraces Culture ships with only one exception I can recall(From Excession and the Killing Time.). Their shields are extradimensional, something Trapdoor systems don't appear to have.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-05 12:33am

Stormbringer wrote:
Shinova wrote:Assuming SW shields can block displacers AND effectors, what's the firepower range for culture bombs? (one of their main weapons i believe)
They make the Death Star look like a sparkler. Estimates of the power of grid fire (as Enlightenment first posted) run to 1E55J.

Bombs aren't Gridfire. The bomb's I've heard of are fusion and plasma charges. And some small antimatter ones.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-01-05 12:41am

The Player of Games wrote:The primary effector, surrounded by it's associated shield-disruptors, scanners, trackers, illuminators, displacers, and secondary weaponry systems, bulked large in the dim light, and looked like some gigantic cone-lensed eyeball encrusted with gnarled metallic growths.

This is a description of the weaponry of the Murderer class GOU Limiting Factor. If you wanna use this Parity of Function stuff you like so much to claim that SW shields can block Culture hyperdimensional weaponry, I can just as easily use it to say that Culture vessels can nullify that advantage with their shield-disruptors.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-05 12:45am

SirNitram wrote:As for 'every conceivable advantage', I find that a blanket statement made without thinking. Hyperdrive outraces Culture ships with only one exception I can recall(From Excession and the Killing Time.).

I'll concede that the hyperdrive has better sheer speed. Culture FTL is far more useful tactically. They fight using FTL tactics as a standard fighting technique. And the max speed of Culture FTL is only a little less than Star Wars Hyperdrive.

SirNitram wrote:Their shields are extradimensional, something Trapdoor systems don't appear to have.

Whos?

SirNitram wrote:Bombs aren't Gridfire. The bomb's I've heard of are fusion and plasma charges. And some small antimatter ones.

True. I don't know that there are effective calculations done on the damage of their torps and missles.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-05 12:53am

XaLEv wrote:
The Player of Games wrote:The primary effector, surrounded by it's associated shield-disruptors, scanners, trackers, illuminators, displacers, and secondary weaponry systems, bulked large in the dim light, and looked like some gigantic cone-lensed eyeball encrusted with gnarled metallic growths.
This is a description of the weaponry of the Murderer class GOU Limiting Factor. If you wanna use this Parity of Function stuff you like so much to claim that SW shields can block Culture hyperdimensional weaponry, I can just as easily use it to say that Culture vessels can nullify that advantage with their shield-disruptors.

Okay. Do we have ranges on them?

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