Redcoats versus Redshirts

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-06 03:50am

In a sick cosmic joke, Q grabs the British army before the Battle of Waterloo and sends them to assault the Federation colony from "Nor the Battle to the Strong". The Redcoats know full well what they face. The only proviso is the klingon's left behind all the transport jammer and the redcoats know how to use them.

So is it the Redcoats or the Redshirts?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-06 06:04am

As much as I hate to say It, at least one trekkie will have the sense to sit in a camoflagued position and pick off the dumbass marching redcoats one by one as his buddies get killed.

The only advantage redshirts have is the fact they dont have to take very long to fire consecutive shots whereas recoats would be sitting their stuffing their muskets . The Klingons might even be able to beat them, finally an enemy that would fall to bat'leths

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-06 09:52am

By some cruel act of fate the transport inhibitor doesnt fully block transport, and when the redshirts are beamed up, they end up a big pile of liquid flesh.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-06 11:10am

Have you seen "The Patriot"? Yep, Redcoat tactics in action. Redshits, knowing the meaning of "cover" slaughters the enemy.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-06 11:28am

Yogi wrote:Have you seen "The Patriot"? Yep, Redcoat tactics in action. Redshits, knowing the meaning of "cover" slaughters the enemy.

They bang drums too so even the blind can take good shots.

The Sharpe films with Sean Bean show how to do it, they kicked arse while the normal Red Coats marched, Sharpe's lot wore camo and used their BRAIN.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-06 11:35am

The redcoat tactics are totally retarded, to quote the [sarcasm]millitary genius[/sarcasm]; 'Lord' Wellington "My troops are the scum of the earth."

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-06 03:21pm

I like how in the Revolution they even put a nice big yellow cross over their hearts for our troop to shoot at.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-06 03:32pm

Depends if it's a battle on an open field or in a forest, a city etc.

I think it'd be better to field them against a french revolution army, in their light infantry the individual soldier operated more independant than in other armies of that time.

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » 2003-01-06 03:35pm

NecronLord wrote:The redcoat tactics are totally retarded, to quote the [sarcasm]millitary genius[/sarcasm]; 'Lord' Wellington "My troops are the scum of the earth."

Standing in lines was the only way to actually hit anything, smoothbore muskets were just too inaccurate. Skirmishers were used but were smashed aside by columns or annihilated by troops in line if they tried to properly engage them.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-01-06 03:39pm

Soulman wrote:
NecronLord wrote:The redcoat tactics are totally retarded, to quote the [sarcasm]millitary genius[/sarcasm]; 'Lord' Wellington "My troops are the scum of the earth."
Standing in lines was the only way to actually hit anything, smoothbore muskets were just too inaccurate. Skirmishers were used but were smashed aside by columns or annihilated by troops in line if they tried to properly engage them.

Another factor was that standing tight together allowed better defense against the cavalry.

Artanis · Post by **Artanis** » 2003-01-06 03:48pm

Personally, I'd have to give it to the Redcoats on the simple fact that they have artillery (arty that can actually kill stuff, that is).

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-06 04:16pm

Soulman wrote:
NecronLord wrote:The redcoat tactics are totally retarded, to quote the [sarcasm]millitary genius[/sarcasm]; 'Lord' Wellington "My troops are the scum of the earth."
Standing in lines was the only way to actually hit anything, smoothbore muskets were just too inaccurate. Skirmishers were used but were smashed aside by columns or annihilated by troops in line if they tried to properly engage them.

I know this thank you. Even against equivalent armies thy frequently got their tickets punched.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-06 04:36pm

Wellington: THREE ROUNDS A MINUTE!!!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-06 05:25pm

Redshirts are in full retreat within minutes from the artillery and get run down by calvary

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2003-01-06 06:21pm

NecronLord wrote:The redcoat tactics are totally retarded, to quote the [sarcasm]millitary genius[/sarcasm]; 'Lord' Wellington "My troops are the scum of the earth."

What they where... A large percentage where Convicts whose sentence was to serve in the military. Wellington took on a numerically supieror enemy, that had conquored most of Europe... and won. He had it is largely felt a love/hate relationship with his men, he admired their skills but he knew where they had come from and what they where. Yet despite having an army of murders, Rapists and Thiefs discipline was kept, and the nations they liberated looked on them favourably.

Wellington defeated the armies of Napolean, and his greatest Generals, he outmanourved and out thought them. Rarely over reaching himself. Remember that when he started NO One thought it could be done, and he was under supported yet he did it, he took the war onto main land Europe, and won. So their's no need for the sarcasm because he knew what his troops where.

The_Nice_Guy · Post by **The_Nice_Guy** » 2003-01-06 08:08pm

And Wellington had pretty powerful character shields. At Waterloo many of his aides and advisors were killed, yet he did not suffer a single wound despite being continuously near the frontline within shooting range to keep an eye on enemy movements. His luck was quite astounding(but not as much as Ney, who got at least two horses shot out from under him in cavalry charges, and was still very much in the fight).

Those were the days...

I say the redcoats take it. They were born to suffer, after all, and the redshirts are a bunch of pansies anyway.

What're the redshirts using? Phasers, presumably, but which kind? The handheld type or the rifled version in First Contact? Obviously, the rifiled one is soooo much better.

The Nice Guy

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-06 08:12pm

Each redshirt can get off a ton of shots for each shot by a redcoat, even if it's the weakest phaser. Plus, the redcoat's effective range is VERY low.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-06 08:16pm

Yogi wrote:Each redshirt can get off a ton of shots for each shot by a redcoat, even if it's the weakest phaser. Plus, the redcoat's effective range is VERY low.

Consider in this battle there were a significant number of bat'leth wounds I'd say the Feddies couldn't be taking advantage of the range advantage too much.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-01-06 08:18pm

redcoats = professional troops

redshirts = professional pop-up targets

I would go with the redcoats.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-01-06 08:32pm

His Majesty's Finest under his Royal Lordship, the Duke of Wellington rush across the field with loaded weapons and once after the artilerry barrage they ovverun the enemy pausing too fire when a target is given. While the Cavalry sweeps behind his Lordship leading the charge too chop their 'ole bloody heads.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-01-06 08:35pm

After all I can just see the kind of Carnage those Cosgrave rockets will do to the Feds, then you add canister and grape to that.

Half of them will be crying before someone calls for "Fix Bayonettes"

The_Nice_Guy · Post by **The_Nice_Guy** » 2003-01-07 12:07am

I think Sharpe with his sniping rifle can take them all.

The Nice Guy

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-07 12:16am

Most people can throw a football farther than the range of those British Muskets...

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-07 12:29am

IIRC, the redshirts will be vastly outnumbered in this battle. Given the artillery and cavalry of the British Army, the ability to volley fire up to ~150 meters with a chance of inflicting wounds (obviously low at that range, but still possible), and the advantage of numbers, I would give the advantage to the redcoats.

The Colonial Army would be more interesting, since they seem to often have had far superior tactics to any Federation ground commander.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-01-07 02:59am

paladin wrote:redcoats = professional troops

redshirts = professional pop-up targets

I would go with the redcoats.

Don't confuse the French Imperial Army with the redcoats, they were not professional soldiers, they were pressganged slaves.

What they where... A large percentage where Convicts whose sentence was to serve in the military. Wellington took on a numerically supieror enemy, that had conquored most of Europe... and won. He had it is largely felt a love/hate relationship with his men, he admired their skills but he knew where they had come from and what they where. Yet despite having an army of murders, Rapists and Thiefs discipline was kept, and the nations they liberated looked on them favourably.

Wellington defeated the armies of Napolean, and his greatest Generals, he outmanourved and out thought them. Rarely over reaching himself. Remember that when he started NO One thought it could be done, and he was under supported yet he did it, he took the war onto main land Europe, and won. So their's no need for the sarcasm because he knew what his troops where.

"The nations they liberated," Ah so that's what they were up to in america? They were liberating them? My mistake, there was me thinking the brisish were imperialists, apparently they were into liberating people. Silly me

Numerically superior? to the brisish maybe. Not to the number of enemies that they fought. You appear to have everything the wrong way round. The french were the ones outnumbered.

Bzzzt wrong. They were mostly poor sods rounded up. Wellington, good little fuedelist that he was despised them because they were "Lower class." He may have defeated the armies of Napoleon, but never N himself (who was ill(probably poisoned) before warterloo.) He didn't know what his fucking troops were, which was unfortunate.