Evangelion VS. Gundam

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2003-01-07 11:26pm

Is this topic even nessesary?

Bah, anyway

who do you think wins.

Me? Eva: bigger, badder, better.

16m vs. approx 60m....nuff said.

(Yes, this was a CBU battle, but I want to hear the logical people talk, not the rabbid fanboys)

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-07 11:28pm

Is there an option for : "They kill each other off"?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-07 11:34pm

Assuming the battle is taking place in atomsphere the Eva will crush any and all mobile suits. The problem with the battle taking place in space is that Evas are not designed for it and all a gundam would have to do is give it a gentle nudge towards the sun and watch it float away.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-01-07 11:34pm

Gundam from the beginning of the One Year War and various other times have nukes. Nukes > eva.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-07 11:36pm

Apsalus > Eva

Wing Zero > Eva

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2003-01-07 11:52pm

Nukes > eva.

Noooo....

Nukes = Minor annoyance for Eva...rimaraly becasue they crew up their footing.

Now if you'd said Nukes > Gundams, you would have been accurate.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-07 11:55pm

Lets see... Evas are like 600ft tall (I think), while Gundams are considerable smaller. Gundams have airborne capabilities, but Evas run hella fast. The MP Evas can also fly, and regenerate. N2 organ too

If its Gundam Wing, then Eva probably wins. If you bring in God Gundam or someother overpowered Gundam from a later series, Eva loses. Somebody did this fight before at http://www.electricferret.com/fights/issue_143.htm

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-08 12:00am

IIRC Wing Zero's Twin Buster rifle has been calced in the kiloton-megaton range. Seeing as how 180 GW> Eva then I'm fairly confident it would serve to frag an Eva.

And since when have nukes proven to be an annoyance to an Eva considering they've bever been hit with a nuke, just the non-nuclear N2 mines, and the one time we've seen an eva caught in an N2 blast it certainly wasn't moving after it went off.

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-08 12:05am

Of course if we're going to base our arguments on relative size instead of firepower.. well three words. Colony Devil Gundam.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2003-01-08 12:07am

True, the buster rifle could potentially kill an Eva, but the Eva's have dozens of weapons at their diposale that can mangle any Eva... and are fast enough and nimble enough to get out of the way until one of the others can take out the threat... most of the Gundams don't carry enough firepower to scratch an EVA.

And those non-nuclear (as if that makes a real difference) N2 mines are at least as devestaing as a nuke, and while they have some weird properties, they leave craters that are at least as deep and as wide as any nuke would. The nature of the weapon isn't an issue, the power is, and Eva's CAN take N2's.

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2003-01-08 12:10am

N2 blast it certainly wasn't moving after it went off.

Youn mean the one that Rei was carrying? The one that went off inside her AT feild?

Look Eva = Angel, if not greater than. The Weakest angels took N2 mines and survived...

Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » 2003-01-08 12:10am

N2 blast it certainly wasn't moving after it went off.

Youn mean the one that Rei was carrying? The one that went off inside her AT feild?

Look Eva = Angel, if not greater than. The Weakest angels took N2 mines and survived...

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-01-08 12:38am

They said the angel with 180GW tolerance had the strongest AT field they had seen to that point. Since they had already seen the AT fields of their evangelions, the eva AT fields would be weaker. Nuclear weapon power is way stronger than this. eva die

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-08 12:53am

That "strongest" AT field at the point was the Fifth Angel... It was later stated that at least Kaworu's and Rei's were more powerful than his; this is canon. Also, I recall at least one Angel taking a N2 mine blast, and shrugging it off. Lets not forget the blast didn't actually kill the Angel either...

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-08 01:18am

Seggybop wrote:They said the angel with 180GW tolerance had the strongest AT field they had seen to that point. Since they had already seen the AT fields of their evangelions, the eva AT fields would be weaker. Nuclear weapon power is way stronger than this. eva die

The AT fields on the Evangelion clearly vary in power, ranging from barely able to get through Sachiel's field, to slicing through Zeruel's with ease, to ripping apart holes in mirror universes.

The Evas can move faster than the eye can see, do all sort of acrobatics, ten of them don't need external power cords, and they have the ultimate one-hit-kill weapon.

Gundam go *CRUNCH*

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2003-01-08 01:23am

So Gundam attacks from space, where they are unable to reach. They could try to attack with the lance of longinus, which may hit and cause serious damage, but if the gundam fires beam rifle at the same time it could be intercepted. And after that there is nothing the eva could do.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-08 01:28am

Seggybop wrote:So Gundam attacks from space, where they are unable to reach.

Nope, they have weapons that can shoot into orbit. They just can't do it with enough force to break an Angel's AT field. Gundams are much less durable, so they'll be affected.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-08 02:59am

Evas shrug off nuclear weapons like they were nothing. When the Jet-Alone system ran rampant and its nuclear reactor was about to go nuts, Shinji was in Eva-01 right next to the thing and Misato said that "it was the safest place he could be as long as he was in the Eva"

Gundam from the beginning of the One Year War and various other times have nukes. Nukes > eva.

Only one Gundam had nukes and it was the Gundam Physalis from 0083.

Apsalus > Eva

Wing Zero > Eva

The Apsalus was destroyed by a GM Sniper and a wrecked to shit Ez-8. This is a bullshit claim. And Wing Zero wouldn't stand a chance, the factors contributing to its destruction in Endless Waltz pale in comparison to what an Eva would do.

If you bring in God Gundam or someother overpowered Gundam from a later series, Eva loses.

Show some proof, God Gundam does not have hany sort of weaponry that does as much damage as what Evas have gone up against and shrugged off, and none of Domon's martial arts can do the same kind of damage as an N2 mine.

IIRC Wing Zero's Twin Buster rifle has been calced in the kiloton-megaton range. Seeing as how 180 GW> Eva then I'm fairly confident it would serve to frag an Eva.

And since when have nukes proven to be an annoyance to an Eva considering they've bever been hit with a nuke, just the non-nuclear N2 mines, and the one time we've seen an eva caught in an N2 blast it certainly wasn't moving after it went off.

N2s are more than likely nucelar (if not what does the N stand for and why does the use of a mine make the land caught in the resulting explosion useless), even if they aren't they sure do as much damage as some. Upon using an N2 mine in the first episode one of the NErv tech comments "Looks liek they'll have to redraw the map again" in response to the fact that a large portion of land was now gone and the ocean had moved in to take its place.

So Gundam attacks from space, where they are unable to reach.

No Gundam other than perhaps the Physalis' nuke has any sort of bombardment capability. And before you say "Wing Zero's Twin Buster Rifle" then why didn't Heero just bomb the complex in EW from space rather than go into the atmosphere? The Eva would only have one realistic shot in order to fight back and that would be the Lance of Longinus or one of those false ones used in EoE. I doubt the Eva would hit it though.

I wish they'd have realsed MSG before GW, now we have a whole bunch of wankers growing up that believe Heero Yuy is the above all and end all of gundam pilots, what a freaking joke. After EW came out I asked a few of these guys (who had been calling themselves the ultimate gundam fans) if they thought Heero could even come close to guys like AMuro Ray or Char Aznable and they didn't even know who they were.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-01-08 03:39am

I figured that all a gundam would have to do is cut Evas power cable and then just wait for the Eva to run out of power.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-08 03:44am

Aya wrote:I figured that all a gundam would have to do is cut Evas power cable and then just wait for the Eva to run out of power.

That will work on two out of twelve Evas.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-01-08 03:47am

I thought 00, 01 and 02 had to rely on external power? I've never seen the show, so what little know, I read from sites.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-01-08 04:21am

only 00 and 02....

01 and 05 series have S2

that said

COLONY DEVIL GUNDAM DROP!

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-08 04:40am

Mayhem wrote:True, the buster rifle could potentially kill an Eva,

Try 'certainly will'.

but the Eva's have dozens of weapons at their diposale that can mangle any Eva...

and are fast enough and nimble enough to get out of the way until one of the others can take out the threat...
Just like Asuka was able to quickly and nimbly avoid the spear that got shoved through her eye? Or quickly and nimbly avoid Zeruel's ribbons? Or avoid getting pounded into the dirt by Israfel? Just like Shinji was able to avoid Zeruel's particle beam?

most of the Gundams don't carry enough firepower to scratch an EVA.
However there are plenty capable of smearing them all over the place.

And those non-nuclear (as if that makes a real difference) N2 mines are at least as devestaing as a nuke, and while they have some weird properties, they leave craters that are at least as deep and as wide as any nuke would. The nature of the weapon isn't an issue, the power is, and Eva's CAN take N2's.
I suppose that's why Shinji was incinerated and flash-blinded when one went off nearbye.. oh wait that didn't happen.

Youn mean the one that Rei was carrying? The one that went off inside her AT feild?
It wasn't inside her AT field as she'd managed to cancel Zeruel's. You do remember that little thing about AT fields canceling each other out right?

Look Eva = Angel, if not greater than. The Weakest angels took N2 mines and survived...
Wrong again. The weakest angels never had N2s used against them. Israfel and Sachiel survived being hit but both were forced to cease their attack and regenerate. In Israfel's case it was only the sheer incompetence of NERV and the JSDF that made the Evas neccesary.

That "strongest" AT field at the point was the Fifth Angel... It was later stated that at least Kaworu's and Rei's were more powerful than his; this is canon.
Both AT fields that interestingly enough even Unit-01 couldn't cancel out so they're hardly representative of Evangelion AT field strength now are they?

Also, I recall at least one Angel taking a N2 mine blast, and shrugging it off. Lets not forget the blast didn't actually kill the Angel either...
That would be Zeruel who seems to be pretty much the most powerful of the lot, and is hardly representative as he shredded one Eva, disabled another, and would have taken out the third if he hadn't been such a friggin' retard.

The AT fields on the Evangelion clearly vary in power, ranging from barely able to get through Sachiel's field, to slicing through Zeruel's with ease, to ripping apart holes in mirror universes.
And do you have any way to quantify how stable the Sea of Dirac was? Or is this just another attempt to inflate the Evangelion's power?

Eva-01 was able to defeat Zeruel thanks to a nice bout of Voyager leve nonsense and because Zeruel himself was a blithering idiot.

Sachiel.. well the pilot at the time could barely make the thing walk without faceplanting so no wonder there was trouble opening Sachiel up.

The Evas can move faster than the eye can see,
An instance that is amazingly enough lacking in the sonic boom department and never repeated again even in much more dire circumstances.

do all sort of acrobatics,
When operating under a rigidly practiced plan.. that's provided anyone lets them get the training time in.

ten of them don't need external power cords,
If we're doing Movie time Eva then I suppose you'll also have to deal with having your two pilots incapacitated psychologically anyway so..

Besides the Mass Production series won't last long against the likes of the Apsalus, Wing Zero, and the CDG considering how long it took them to quick squawking about and actually get ready to fight.

and they have the ultimate one-hit-kill weapon.
If you're talking about the Lance I should like to point out that:

A.) Their chances of hitting a manuevering target aren't exactly stellar, particularly one the size of most gundams.

B.) It's a big spear who's only significant ability is it's ability to penetrate an AT field.. though it would be interesting to see what happens if they chuck it and the Devil Gundam gets ahold of it.

If you're talking about the Particle Cannon.. moot point really as nobody I can think of in the Gundam series is going to wait the several hours they'll need to set it up.

Instead I guess they'd just let a Zaku with a nuke bazooka handle it, or gas the area, or hell maybe just have the Apsalus fry it.

Nope, they have weapons that can shoot into orbit. They just can't do it with enough force to break an Angel's AT field. Gundams are much less durable, so they'll be affected.
Correction, they have ONE weapon that can fire into orbit. One that is totally dependant on the target not doing something so simple as moving out of the way and that requires a serious concentration of resources. This is of course provided they can even see something the size of most gundams from the ground.

Evas shrug off nuclear weapons like they were nothing. When the Jet-Alone system ran rampant and its nuclear reactor was about to go nuts, Shinji was in Eva-01 right next to the thing and Misato said that "it was the safest place he could be as long as he was in the Eva"
Well considering the only other shelter around was either inside Jet Alone or on the nice flat ground nearbye I'm tempted to agree.

And Evas do NOT shrug off nukes like they were nothing. ONE angel (which kicked the shite out of all three Evas and would have won except he was a dumb-ass) was able to shrug off an N2 and keep coming, the others hit had to stop their attack.

Only one Gundam had nukes and it was the Gundam Physalis from 0083.
You're right only one Gundam had nukes, however plenty of MS's near the start of the OYW could deploy nukes.

The Apsalus was destroyed by a GM Sniper and a wrecked to shit Ez-8. This is a bullshit claim. And Wing Zero wouldn't stand a chance, the factors contributing to its destruction in Endless Waltz pale in comparison to what an Eva would do.
A nice load there.

The GM Sniper: Melted some armor, took out a support strut. The Apsalus was still functional

The Ez8: Got half vaporized by the Apsalus and was able to drop it back into the volcano by killing the pilot it did not single-handedly take out the Apsalus in single combat.

The Apsalus is fast enough and carries a big enough gun to take out any Eva considering the Evangelions won't be able to bring about the circumstances that had the Apsalus sitting around as a target in the first place.

Wing Zero's armor isn't what dooms the Evas, it's the Twin Buster Rifle that does, a weapon which is more than sufficient scrag an Evangelion. Considering how long it takes an Eva simply to deploy they'd be dead before they got off the launch rails.

Evas have gone up against and shrugged off, and none of Domon's martial arts can do the same kind of damage as an N2 mine.
While I don't agree the God Gundam could do it, a nice DG cell infection should settle the Eva just fine.

N2s are more than likely nucelar (if not what does the N stand for and why does the use of a mine make the land caught in the resulting explosion useless), even if they aren't they sure do as much damage as some.
N2 stands for Non-Nuclear

Upon using an N2 mine in the first episode one of the NErv tech comments "Looks liek they'll have to redraw the map again" in response to the fact that a large portion of land was now gone and the ocean had moved in to take its place.
That quote was from a different episode, and I notice you also fail to mention the fact that those very same N2 attacks disabled the angels they were used on for quite a bit.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-08 06:06am

youre right on the episode being wrong but the quote still stands and the Angels regenerated.

While I don't agree the God Gundam could do it, a nice DG cell infection should settle the Eva just fine.

How in the hell are you going to infect the Eva with the DG Cells though? You have to be able to do that first, which I don't think a gundam could do before getting crunched.

Wing Zero's armor isn't what dooms the Evas, it's the Twin Buster Rifle that does, a weapon which is more than sufficient scrag an Evangelion. Considering how long it takes an Eva simply to deploy they'd be dead before they got off the launch rails.

Assuming the Eva doesn't jsut step to the side, this big bad bass Twin Buster Rifle has not been used on any moving Targets. It has been used effectively on colonys, the falling Libra Battleship, and the base in EW. None of those targets were moving. Its most practical use in battle is not in the large charged up shots, which a mobile suit with an intelligent pilot would dodge. Assuming the Eva pilot knows that the Gundam Pilot has the Buster rifle, it will not sit idly while the Gundam charges its shot.

The GM Sniper: Melted some armor, took out a support strut. The Apsalus was still functional

The Ez8: Got half vaporized by the Apsalus and was able to drop it back into the volcano by killing the pilot it did not single-handedly take out the Apsalus in single combat.

The Apsalus is fast enough and carries a big enough gun to take out any Eva considering the Evangelions won't be able to bring about the circumstances that had the Apsalus sitting around as a target in the first place.

It still stands that the GM Sniper and the Ez8 won the battle. That "big enough gun" takes a while to fire, especially repetitive shots. The Eva would have to DODGE (yes Evas can evade attacks) and then move in while the gun was recharging. An Eva is fast enough to get there, and large enough so that it could probably kick the thing aside. or step on it. Berserker Eva 01 would have a field day once it got in close enough. The Apsalus main weapon was only shown effective on stationary targets once again. Notice the mobile suits make much of an attempt to evade and the Federation Big Tray really couldn't move either.

You're right only one Gundam had nukes, however plenty of MS's near the start of the OYW could deploy nukes.

But after the Antarctic treaty none of them did. If we're sitting back and able to use every bit of tech and special ability availiable then the eva series from EoE simply regenerated after Asuka's attack on them they could just bounce back and regenerate every time.

(as a DBZ fan who has been watching a lot of the Majin Buu Saga lately though I am soo fucking sick of that ability.......side point, no relevance

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Well considering the only other shelter around was either inside Jet Alone or on the nice flat ground nearbye I'm tempted to agree.

That's not what Misato meant, She could have called the Eva transport plane and had it come back to pick him up if she thought there was any danger.

And Evas do NOT shrug off nukes like they were nothing. ONE angel (which kicked the shite out of all three Evas and would have won except he was a dumb-ass) was able to shrug off an N2 and keep coming, the others hit had to stop their attack.

That ANgel did not kick the shit out of Unit 1, even though it ripped off a limb Shinji had it beat until the power ran out, then berserker mode kicked in ...and we know the story from there. Not only did the Angel shrug off the N2, but Rei's Eva appeared to have hardly any damage except for the Angel's attack afterwards. It can also be contended that when Misato and Commander Ikari yelled at Rei not to attack it wasn't the N2 mine that scared them, but the fact she was going into battle in a damaged Unit 0, not because she was going to be at the epicenter of an N2 explosion.

regarding the Lance of Longinus:

It's a big spear who's only significant ability is it's ability to penetrate an AT field.. though it would be interesting to see what happens if they chuck it and the Devil Gundam gets ahold of it.

Show me some proof that the Devil Gundam itsel fcould catch it without the thing going right through it, the Lance had to do a bit more than just pierce the AT field. Of course all the DEvil gundam would have to do is move out of the way, the Lance is not an effective weapon in that regard. Its strength would lie in Melee Combat against a mobile suit of large size like the Apsalus or Nieu Ziel (long live Gato).

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do all sort of acrobatics,

When operating under a rigidly practiced plan.. that's provided anyone lets them get the training time in.

That particular routine yes, but they are able to perform them. The only reason for the routine was because this/these enemy(s) had to be hit in its/their weak spot(s) simultaneously. What you say makes it sound like that Evas can only do elaborate maneuvers during some sort of routine, which isn;t the case. Of course I don't know hoe effective a pirouette would be against anything else but o well.

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The Evas can move faster than the eye can see,

An instance that is amazingly enough lacking in the sonic boom department and never repeated again even in much more dire circumstances.

Even though thats what happened, take it up with the writers if they don't have the technicals aspects down right anyway.

Eva-01 was able to defeat Zeruel thanks to a nice bout of Voyager level nonsense and because Zeruel himself was a blithering idiot.

Agreed, not one of Evangelion's finer moments in the script dept. The visuals were cool though.

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That "strongest" AT field at the point was the Fifth Angel... It was later stated that at least Kaworu's and Rei's were more powerful than his; this is canon.

Both AT fields that interestingly enough even Unit-01 couldn't cancel out so they're hardly representative of Evangelion AT field strength now are they?

Rei and Kaworu arent Evangelions so it probably isn't very indicative.

Wrong again. The weakest angels never had N2s used against them. Israfel and Sachiel survived being hit but both were forced to cease their attack and regenerate. In Israfel's case it was only the sheer incompetence of NERV and the JSDF that made the Evas neccesary.

Teh JSDF doesn't have any sort of weapons that can challenge an Eva because of that damn regeneration ability. Nothing Im particularly proud to support but nevertheless it is the case.

regarding buster rifle effectiveness

True, the buster rifle could potentially kill an Eva,

Try 'certainly will'.

Assuming that Eva doesn't try to evade, unlock a lot of MS pilots in the face of large uber beam weapons, You don't know the effect on the armor or the Eva itself. You assume that underneath each AT field is a large machine made out of toilet paper and tin foil. The Eva's in themselves are living beings that have shown time and again they can take large amounts of damage and either keep fighting or regenerate.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-08 06:08am

Bah forgot one thing, so I don't look completely stupid...

If the WIng Zero is shooting at the Eva while its deploying you're assuming that it knows where to target, if you get to assume that each enemy knows where the other gets to deploy from, then Eva steps on Wing Zero before it gets out of its hangar and is made into gundam flapjacks.

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