Torture: Who responded best and who had the best response...

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-01-08 04:44am

From the listed series/Charaters....

Who responded best under torture?
Who had the best response to their torturer?
Who suffered the worst torture?
Who suffered the lightest torture?
How would the different characters do in a torture substitution senario?

(If not listed PLEASE give us an account of the incident and the response to their torturer. Note that you can use different responses )

Here are what I consider the best quotes* from the listed canidates.....

Picard in Chain of Command part II.

Cardassian A: "How many lights are there?"
(Four lights turn on.)
Picard: "Four."
Cardassian A: "No there are 5 lights"
(Tortures Picard........ and repeats the process until the end of the episode)
Cardassian A: "The Enterprise is burning in space and Starfleet thinks your dead. If you tell me there are 5 lights you'll live an easy life from here on out, if you say 4 you'll be tortured until the end of your miserable life, now how many lights are there."
(Cardassian B walks in)
Cardassian B: "The Enterprise is requesting the immediate transfer of Picard to their vessel....."
Picard: "THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!"

John Sherdan in Intersections in Real Time.

Torturer: "The undeniable truth of our reality is that you cannot fight the system."
Sheridan: "Yes, you can."
Torturer: "Ah, but can you win?"
Sheridan: "Every Time I Say NO."

G'Kar in The Long Night.

(G'Kar staggers in, weak from torture and chained to a block of wood resting on his shoulders"
Emperor Cartigia: I had his old chains replaced, they looked weak.
(G'Kar pulls on his chains)
Emperor Cartigia: What do you think your doing, you can't break those chians they're solid durilium alloy.
G'Kar: GRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
(G'Kar rips his chains from the wooden post and starts a brutal fight within the antechamber)

My personal favorite response is Sherian's response to his torturer. "Every time I say NO." I get goose bumps everytime I hear that one, I can't even imagine a better delivery for thE line then the one Bruce Boxeletter gave.

I'll give out my answers to the rest of the questions once other people have the opportunity to give their opinions.

*Quotes are probably not word for word, but they are as close as I can make them when writing from memory.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-08 05:20am

That TNG bit was an unabashed ripoff of 1984. I voted for Crichton, anyone who can be that witty and look that good while being mind raped.....

namdoolb · Post by **namdoolb** » 2003-01-08 07:50am

Yeah, don't forget that Crichton's torture was also over an extended period.

Sure he had that stint in the aroura chair then escaped, but as a direct consequence of that he had the chip in his brain, fucking with his mind for the better part of a year.

Everyone else's torture happened, then stopped. None of the others had the after effects that Crichton had to endure.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-08 08:00am

I went for Leia because she still looked great even after being subjected to an Imperial interrogation droid. Like shit she didn't even have her hair messed up

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-01-08 09:39am

Who responded best under torture?

Picard. He simply refused to be broken.

Who had the best response to their torturer?

Sheridan. It was defiant it was ballsy and it almost got him executed.

Who suffered the worst torture?

I'd have to say Sheridan. Sleep deprivation and near starvation over a extended period really weaken a person and it's a classic torture method.

Who suffered the lightest torture?

Delenn. Nasty enough but in no way prolonged and she could have walked out so it was damn near self inflicted in my opinion.

Stormin · Post by **Stormin** » 2003-01-08 03:05pm

Can anyone actually list instances where main characters were tortured and actually gave up important information? In reality if someone is getting tortured they will start 'singing like a bird' in a very short time.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-08 03:12pm

IN Space:ABove and beyond Wong is captured and tortured by the AIS and he makes one of thos evideos we remember from the Gulf War and the Vietnam war where the soldier says that what his country is doing is wrong, etc. VERY well done I though, none of this macho bullshit. I have a freind in the Navy who had to undergo special training and one of those exercises involved mild torture. He was told later on that no one expectes you not to break, it's simply impossible.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-01-08 06:21pm

Well, in the computer generated cartoon ReBoot. Megabyte rebuilds his sister Hexadecimal, and puts a leash on her, whenever Megabyte got bored or she refused to help him, he gave her incredible pain that looked like he was burning her neck and face a little.

Also, the torture of Han Solo in ESB, for no reason then to give him pain so Luke would sense it. Now that musta hurt.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-08 06:52pm

picard was used to it after spending 6 hrs in a shuttle w/ wesley

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-01-08 07:42pm

FaxModem1 wrote:Also, the torture of Han Solo in ESB, for no reason then to give him pain so Luke would sense it. Now that musta hurt.

I would imagine that Vader enjoyed that immensely due to the fact that it was Solo's intervention that lost the Empire the Death Star.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-01-09 01:25am

Not listed: Elminster (in the first layer of the Nine Hells)

He was tortured by the archdevil Nergal for a very long time, something very unpleasant since Nergal's magic kept Elminster alive no matter what he did to him. In addition to your typical bone breaking, flesh flaying, and apendage amputations, he also established a direct mental link, and tortured his mind as well. He could not help from divulging information, as Nergal had implanted a mind worm thing that ate his memories, but he could pervert Nergal's commands and manipulate lesser devils (he was given some amount of freedom, as Nergal arrogantly assumed that Elminster couldn't escape). He managed to hold out until nearly all his memories were gone, when a very, very pissed off Mystra sent her Chosen to retrieve him.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-01-11 01:19am

Sheridan, followed by G'kar.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-01-11 01:31am

JediNeophyte wrote:Not listed: Elminster (in the first layer of the Nine Hells)

He was tortured by the archdevil Nergal for a very long time, something very unpleasant since Nergal's magic kept Elminster alive no matter what he did to him. In addition to your typical bone breaking, flesh flaying, and apendage amputations, he also established a direct mental link, and tortured his mind as well. He could not help from divulging information, as Nergal had implanted a mind worm thing that ate his memories, but he could pervert Nergal's commands and manipulate lesser devils (he was given some amount of freedom, as Nergal arrogantly assumed that Elminster couldn't escape). He managed to hold out until nearly all his memories were gone, when a very, very pissed off Mystra sent her Chosen to retrieve him.

Forgotten Realms aren't Sci Fi. You also Neglected to mention any "notable" response he might have had, which was, really the point of the thread.

Shadow WarChief · Post by **Shadow WarChief** » 2003-01-11 05:44pm

Who responded best under torture?

G'kar by far. He went through 2 days of torture without screaming once.

Who had the best response to their torturer?

G'kar

Only screamed once. And that was only because he was coerced

Who suffered the worst torture?

G'kar.

Unlike the other people listed, Cartagia didn't torture G'kar for information, he tortured him for the sake of torturing him. He wanted to hear his screams rend the air.

39 slashes with an energy whip, the power increasing with each lash. Takes 40 to kill.

2 hours with a professional "pain technician" and passing out not from pain but from loss of blood

Getting his eye gouged out with a sharp metal rod plus god knows what other things.

Who suffered the lightest torture?

Leia.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-11 09:21pm

I would say Sheridan had the best response. All the other questions I'm not sure about since I haven't seen all the incidents in question.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-01-11 09:36pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
FaxModem1 wrote:Also, the torture of Han Solo in ESB, for no reason then to give him pain so Luke would sense it. Now that musta hurt.
I would imagine that Vader enjoyed that immensely due to the fact that it was Solo's intervention that lost the Empire the Death Star.

They didn't want anything from him, really. It was just their way of having a bit of fun, the swines.

The thing of it is, they make such bloody good cameras...

God Emperor · Post by **God Emperor** » 2003-01-11 09:45pm

I voted Leia, simply because that interrogator droid injected her with truth drugs, that lower pain thresholds, stimulate cooperation and trigger hallucination, torture with laser scalpel, grasping claw, power shears. Any women that can handle all that and come out look like she did before going in is strong.
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Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-01-11 11:25pm

Delenn's experince in CtI doesn't really fit into this category. It was more of a test of her loyalty and willingness to die for the Vorlon cause than anything else. She certainly could have given up and walked out if she felt like it but she was too busy toying with her death wish to give up that easily.

A better example of bonehead getting tortured would be Atonement, but that was mental rather than physical. Still not in the same league as the other events mentioned in this thread, however.

Picard's responses in CoC2 were a bit too highbrow to be believeable.

Leia's handling I'll chalk down to market requirements. Doing a realistic portrayal would have pushed the movie very much into the R category.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-11 11:27pm

Leia, anyone who can live with Jabba for more than 30 seconds deserves my respect...

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-01-12 01:17am

Leia should have be violated like the whore she is. That would have scarred her for sure. THAT is torture, there. Unless she liked it. But then, who wouldnt like being fucked by numerous Jangos? >D

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-12 02:11pm

I voted for Han Solo for several reasons even if he did scream like a girl.

Picard was about to falter he even admited so to Crusher
Leia was apparently tapping into the force to help her resist to the torture
Geordi deserved to be tortured cos he always annoyed me
and i never watched the others.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-12 02:27pm

Solo had that done to him "Just because" Vadar wanted it

remeber
"Heck I don't even remeber them asking me any questions"

Lightest would be Leia, If we inculded Fantasy my choice for not listed would be Richard Rahl from the Sword of Truth Series

Ok first off tortured basicly the longest of any of these(Several months) with pain so intense it nearly drove him mad, nm the rape and mind fucking he also experanced

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-12 02:52pm

I voted for G'Kar. He wouldn't do one thing his torturers wanted him to. Didn't even let out a single peep; Londo had to convince him to. That is willpower.

Sheridan's response is a classic, but then again, I've always liked his character.

Leia's ordeal in ANH wasn't exactly a cake-walk. Listen to the radio drama. Basically, Vader injected her with hallucinogens and told her that her skin was on fire and her entire world was pain, and she still wouldn't talk.

Not quite sure what exactly Vader did to Solo.

Picard is a pussy.

Sauron kept stopping LaForge's heart ... that must have been fun.

Oh, and who can forget Gollum?

"SHIRE! BAGGINS!!!!!"

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-12 04:54pm

Han Solo. He didn't tell them anything!

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-01-12 05:28pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Han Solo. He didn't tell them anything!

They didn't ask him anything! Unless they're like my mum (see thread in off topic) they just tortured him to get to Luke.

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