Jedi in ATOC vs Superman

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-01-09 12:23am

Ok, the droids in the Geonosis arena do not exist, all the Jedi converge towards Dooku, ,who has 2 body guards, Jango Fett, and Superman,

Do the Jedi even get close enough to make Dooku take out his light sabre?

If superman can catch a bullet, fired 8 feet away with his opposite hand (movie Superman)

Take the blazing heat an intensity of a nuclear explosion,
Make an entire lake freeze from his breathe,
lift the side of a tectonic plate (sp?) to stop an earth quake

is there anything at all, ,that these Jedi can do, ,to save their asses?

If they tried to slice him with a light sabre, he'd get a sun burn, or avoid it all together

If they tried to focus their attention on him for some sort of TK, ,he's resisting aswell, they want him to go down, he wants to go up, ,etc etc,

much like the jedi have to fight gravity, ,but this is much more so,

My opinion, fight is over, the Jedi are torched in flame by his eyes, their ear drums have exploded from the super sonic boom he makes as he flys by, ,

they are ripped apart, beaten, mutilated and killed off in a short order

agree or disagree

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-01-09 12:24am

wrong forum, can someone move this to the correct forum, and delete this post,
thx

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-09 12:33am

Do you like posing a question and saying all possible solutions wouldnt work in one breath?
You are saying he is immune to thier weapons and powers and they are totally vulnerable to his....why not ask can a small kitten defeat a carrier battle group?

Omega-13 · Post by **Omega-13** » 2003-01-09 12:40am

Keevan_Colton wrote:Do you like posing a question and saying all possible solutions wouldnt work in one breath?
You are saying he is immune to thier weapons and powers and they are totally vulnerable to his....why not ask can a small kitten defeat a carrier battle group?

those are my opinions, do you have one? or just questions

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-09 12:45am

Omega-13 wrote:those are my opinions, do you have one? or just questions

I usually find questions far more enlightening.
Do you have any reason to presuppose that Superman is immune to being manipulated using the Force?
I do think the *spits* man of steel, would probably suceed against the jedi...I do think they have a resonable chance of overwhelming him with the Force if only for a time.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-09 01:15am

Supes is rather weak minded...

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-09 01:23am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Supes is rather weak minded...

An excellent point...
*waves hand*"Kill Dooku!"
*Dooku waves*"Kill Them!"
Repeat as neccesary.....

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-01-09 01:37am

Just wondering... How the fucking hell would LIFTING ONE SIDE of a tectonic plate PREVENT an earthquake?

Just wondering you know, as its contrary to everything I ever learnt in university geology.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-01-09 02:38am

Didn't the Superman vs Vader debate pretty much settle this?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-09 02:50am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Supes is rather weak minded...

No, Superman has shitloads of willpower, as stated by the Specter.

As for the fight, see my posts on "Vader vs. Superman" about speed-blitzing and Heat Vision from Orbit. There's also the "thunderclap" option in which a person creates a massive shockwave in the air by clapping their hands together at super speed and strength.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-09 05:41am

Assuming Superman doesn't have his usual code vs. killing, he could just fly into space... and while the Jedi are wondering what to do.. toss a huge asteroid into the arena. Then fly around and pick off anyone who happens to survive with his heat vision. ; )

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-09 05:43am

He could also keep them back with his super breath to blooow them away.

I'm not sure his heat vision would work from orbit though, since wouldn't it disipate in the atmosphere? Just a thought. He'd still win though.

Now give the Jedi mandalorian armor and jetpacks, and they might stand a chance... maybe, but if he was smart he'd still beat them.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-09 09:40am

This asinine debate...relies upon is the Force mystical...if yes, Supes is screwed harder than a hooker at a trekkie convention. If not he wins.

As for Supes having Willpower...Spectre also showed that Supes is extraordinanrily vulnerable to mystical enchanments given his first TOUCH of the Spear of Destiny and Hitler's mind took him over.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-09 02:54pm

From what I've heard about the NJO books, it seems the Force doesn't effect beings from another galaxy.

Since the Jedi are from "a galaxy far, far away," would this mean their powers wouldn't have any effect on Sups?

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-09 03:07pm

Balrog wrote:From what I've heard about the NJO books, it seems the Force doesn't effect beings from another galaxy.

Since the Jedi are from "a galaxy far, far away," would this mean their powers wouldn't have any effect on Sups?

That just happens to be the Vong, for some strange reason.
Most likely it's simply a way to make the Vong seem invincible against the Jedi. ( Butm you can still crash a boulder into them.

)
Oh, and remeber Star by Star?
One of the Dark Jedi used something like Force lightining against a Vong( surrounded by Force-lightining 'bars' creating a pseudo cage. The Dakr Jedi then shrunk the 'cage', slicing the Vong into itty bitty pieces....)

kheegster · Post by **kheegster** » 2003-01-11 09:28am

Keevan_Colton wrote: I usually find questions far more enlightening.

Yes, since we already know that the answer is forty-two.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-11 10:55am

Balrog wrote:From what I've heard about the NJO books, it seems the Force doesn't effect beings from another galaxy.

Since the Jedi are from "a galaxy far, far away," would this mean their powers wouldn't have any effect on Sups?

Nope, just the Vong as said, anyhow thats maybe due to this weird genetic sequence that exists in every last Yuuzhan Vong lifeform, that was recently identified.

xiophen · Post by **xiophen** » 2003-01-13 09:09am

Well given the fact that the jedi can't use the more destructive force powers that might be able to hurt him then its mostly likly super man beating them rather quickly.

Of the LightSabres superman flew into the heart of a sun and stayed their to hide from Impervious attack probes. I doubt the lightsabres could do the damge needed to hurt supes. However super man can move worlds with his str any hit from him downs a jedi nomatter their resistance....

Jedi power okay force pushes and shovewouldn't be more the a TK attack force storm chokes etc are out. their precog is good but doesnt help considering even with their enhanced reflex they can nowhere approach supes

Weak minded?
supes has always been one of comics strongest willed character and that was before his recent telepathic resistances were gained

What would have the 200 jedis draw their light sabres and asume alot of those silly poses we see in the movie superman projects his voice say "Put your weapons down and come along queitly and noone gets hurt"
Jedi continue to advance towards supes. then in a blink of an eye superman goes into actionspeeding towards the various combatants at close to te spped of light. the jedi try to react with their enhanced reflexes but are too slow as he hit one after the other downing all 200 jedi in a single second.

Pink Eye · Post by **Pink Eye** » 2003-01-13 03:28pm

First of all, I don't like Superman anyway. He is an age old [boring] icon of times gone by. I prefer Anime heroes, and characters (Goku, Tetsuo, Inuasha, Cowboy Bebop, Big-O!).

But I would gather it would have to be up to the effectiveness of the Jedi mind powers over Superman. If these are not effective, then there is no doubt Superman would win this awfully one sided battle.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-13 03:58pm

SPEED BLITZ!!!

Superman can travel at close to the speed of light in combat (.99 level). He throws a rock at a Jedi (killing him) grabs his lightsaber, then begins zipping around the area. Assuming that the Jedi are 100 times faster than normal humans, he can cover almost three Kilometers before they get a chance to fire a single neuron. That's more than enough to zip around tha arena and kill them all.

If the Jedi wants to use Force Push, Mind Trick, or ANYTHING they have around 0.01 miliseconds to do it in before a rock thrown by Superman smashes their brains on the other side of the arena.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-13 05:29pm

http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/powers.php

Superman. Why would this fight even be suggested?

I mean, in theory, Superman shouldn't be much more powerful than Sol, and so the Death Star, or even a Star Destroyer should be able to take him out...

But superheroes don't work on theory. Logic need not apply.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-13 05:36pm

By That Superman...sure...Silver Age Supes...punches holes into Time.

There isn't a fucking thing anything short of God(which I'm sure would loses after hearing Superman going back before God began and alter it with some version of Silver Age nonsense).

Modern Age is weaker...but hell as you go through comics you throw logic out...and yogi...if Superman is so freaking fast how is it that anything actually works against him, hell how does Doomsday hit him if he's not doing .9 of C punches(given that Maxima, Gardner, and a variety of that have fought him are far below .9c...)

Overall if Silver Age Supes is guarding Dooku...it's all over unless You kicked over a piece of Gold Kryptonite and tossed it to Supes(or got within 50 ft of Big Blue)

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-13 07:00pm

This post is dedicated to Jellyrobes, the most annoying Superman/Captain America fanboy ever but useful in situations like these.

Man of Steal 110. Superman can move at FTL speeds.

Adventures of Superman 603. Superman can react at FTL speeds.

JLA 20. Superman beats down aliens before their synapses fire.

Our Worlds At War. Followed light speed signals to their source.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-13 07:22pm

Look jack ass you want to use fanboy...fine...go ahead scream it till your lungs bleed...doesn't make much for an argument.

Then show me why The Prankster, Superboy, Mongul and a good slew of others can even hit him?

Of cousre...let's see the response will be show these cases...all the while never grasping that saying he can always move at near c HE CAN'T...it TAKES SERIOUS EFFORT...or please tell me how the hell Shaggy Man poses a problem for him.

As for Cap America Fanboy...seriously you want to do ad hominem attack...fine like I said it does nothing for you other than make you look like the ass you want to be

But as for your Emperor Joker bit at least do them to a person who use Mxy powers(as persay Emperor Joker) as magical because dumbfuck. To quote Quisp(who is the same as Johnny Thunder lighting bolt and Mxyzptlk).

"We use a technology so beyond yours, it appears to be magical."

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-13 10:56pm

First of all, JELLYROBES is the fanboy, not you. I said "This post is dedicated to Jellyrobes, the most annoying Superman/Captain America fanboy ever but useful in situations like these." You should read some of the stuff he posts. (Besides, this is stardestroyer.net If people who made ad homanim attacks were ridiculed, then Darth Wong would be FIRST on the list).

Why can Superman be hit? I'll answer that as soon as you answer why Force users don't begin and end every fight with non-Force users by snapping their necks. It's the same principle, that would make the fights rather boring.