[Prodigal Son] Doesn't know what reaction time is

[Prodigal Son]

When did we start talking about Gladiator?.

when did we start talking about spiderman?

and the flaming commenced. .

Well, it wouldnt of turned into that if people hadnt began with the name calling, I didnt intend for it to turn out that way, and I would of kept the debate civil, but instead I had people calling me a moron and bashing my points, notice I dont do that to anyone until they all begin to try to talk shit

I'd say it's reasonable to say that low-end Superman might get beaten by a Jedi, but I'd agree that high-end Superman is absurdly powerful and would not.

It depends on low end, the superman who couldnt fly, barely could take bullets, etc? yeah, he'd lose

[Eframepilot]

Because you're too slow! The Flash is moving at (or so close that it doesn't matter) the speed of light. It doesn't matter how early you start to react. You are a statue to the Flash. You cannot physically move fast enough to intercept his moves. It doesn't matter if you can predict his moves if your body can't react quickly enough to actually counter them.

You do realize that by beginning before he even thinks of it, I can complete the actions anytime I wish, right? Or is that too advanced a concept for you?[/quote]
It doesn't matter if you begin before the Flash even thinks of attacking you. He is too fast for your body to ever react to in time.

All right. Suppose you anticipate the Flash's every move and hold your lightsaber out into the path the Force told you he would take. It doesn't work. The Flash sees your lightsaber and avoids it because it's motionless relative to him. He changes his path. Your vision has been falsified because the Flash changed his path based on where he saw your lightsaber.

[Darth Wong]

I'd also argue that even high-end Superman would probably get killed by a superlaser blast. The intensity of such a blast exceeds that found at the core of the Sun by many orders of magnitude.

[Prodigal Son]

By the way, banning a ranting looney != banning someone over a difference of opinion. You get banned for your not obeying the rules.

what rules havent I followed? and Im a ranting looney? why? because I Dont think every other reply should contain insults to other posts? i even got caught up in it myself

The difference between SirNitram and yourself is that he is (often) right and you are a moron, because SirNitram knows how to fucking use his grey matter

damn, you said he was right, I concede to that shit, fuck providing evidence

[SirNitram]

Because you're too slow! The Flash is moving at (or so close that it doesn't matter) the speed of light. It doesn't matter how early you start to react. You are a statue to the Flash. You cannot physically move fast enough to intercept his moves. It doesn't matter if you can predict his moves if your body can't react quickly enough to actually counter them.

You do realize that by beginning before he even thinks of it, I can complete the actions anytime I wish, right? Or is that too advanced a concept for you?

It doesn't matter if you begin before the Flash even thinks of attacking you. He is too fast for your body to ever react to in time.

Of course I can react in time, if I start before he thinks of it. Let me use math on your stunted cranial capacity:

T-Minus 6 seconds: I start an action that will take six seconds to defend against what I know Flash will be doing then.

T-Minus Some Ridiculous Fraction Of A Second: Flash thinks of something and tries it, finding his fist hitting my lightsaber and burning off.

All right. Suppose you anticipate the Flash's every move and hold your lightsaber out into the path the Force told you he would take. It doesn't work. The Flash sees your lightsaber and avoids it because it's motionless relative to him. He changes his path. Your vision has been falsified because the Flash changed his path based on where he saw your lightsaber.

Your proof that Precog doesn't take this into effect? Here's a big hint: You'll never find such proof. It don't exist.

[Darth Wong]

It doesn't matter if you begin before the Flash even thinks of attacking you. He is too fast for your body to ever react to in time.

Flash must be intangible in movement anyway, so it really doesn't make sense that he can hit people and do any harm while moving at high speed. If he wasn't intangible, then he would create a plasma shockwave whenever he moved through atmosphere. His ability to hit people must be caused by something other than physical impact; maybe some kind of telekinesis even if he doesn't realize it.

[Noble Ire]

Well, it wouldnt of turned into that if people hadnt began with the name calling, I didnt intend for it to turn out that way, and I would of kept the debate civil, but instead I had people calling me a moron and bashing my points, notice I dont do that to anyone until they all begin to try to talk shit

Perhaps it would be better if you tried to address the points people have made (yes, more than one person have made clear, concise points, despite your claims otherwise.) Heck, even I attempted to, but after it became clear you weren't actually going to try and address them, at least not reasonably, I let myself indulge a bit.

By the way, Eframe, your quoting method/button seems to be messed up.

[Darth Wong]

what rules havent I followed?

The rule about dismissing points because of rudeness. If you can't read, don't make claims of being intelligent.

[Prodigal Son]

Posts are to be made in the relevant forum.

*looks around* nope, this forum isnt called the "lets make a topic just to talk about how much smarter we are than CBR

Do not use someone's rudeness as an excuse to ignore his points.

Oh, that wasnt why, you had no points, you keep spouting the same shit over and over and over "precog! precog precog! they react BEFORE happens!"

[Prodigal Son]

what rules havent I followed?

The rule about dismissing points because of rudeness. If you can't read, don't make claims of being intelligent.

Really? is there a rule that says "all mods can read your minds" because, I didnt dismiss their posts because of that, so again: what rules am I breaking

[Surlethe]

Oh, that wasnt why, you had no points, you keep spouting the same shit over and over and over "precog! precog precog! they react BEFORE happens!"

Except that was a point, you fucktarded asshole, which you failed to rebut, because you weren't smart enough to address it in the first place without distorting it.

[SirNitram]

Posts are to be made in the relevant forum.

*looks around* nope, this forum isnt called the "lets make a topic just to talk about how much smarter we are than CBR

I have specifically instructed you about the appropriate forum to make Superman-based arguments and where to take it up with those you accused of being ignorant. You failed. When confronted, you lie. Big surprise.

Do not use someone's rudeness as an excuse to ignore his points.

Oh, that wasnt why, you had no points, you keep spouting the same shit over and over and over "precog! precog precog! they react BEFORE happens!"

That would be because the ability to react before your opponent even thinks of an attack? Pretty much a game-winner. Of course, that you claim this isn't an argument proves you simply don't have a clue what debating is like.

[Dangermouse]

With the Flash, it's different. The Flash moves fast enough that you are a living statue to him. It is not possible to physically react to him at all, no matter how early you start. If the Force warned you early enough, you could get the hell off the planet, but that's about the only option.

Actually, this brings up an interesting point regarding precog and consecutive events. If the time between consecutive events is less than the reaction time or time needed for a Jedi to perform an action, then I could see precog failing to help. Once the Jedi is in a situation in which an opponent could perform consecutive actions with a time interval much shorter than the Jedi's reaction time, the Jedi is in trouble. Basically putting the Jedi in situtation in which they are forced to react with the same muscle / same body part to two very high rate actions.

I think the Jedi would have to recognize this well before hand using the precog and put themselves in a situation where it could not possibly happen (like leave the planet as Eframe suggests).

This might be possibly moot if Jedi can indeed move at lightspeed as Ender noted.

[Noble Ire]

*looks around* nope, this forum isnt called the "lets make a topic just to talk about how much smarter we are than CBR

SWvsST. Read the beginning of the thread.

Oh, that wasnt why, you had no points, you keep spouting the same shit over and over and over "precog! precog precog! they react BEFORE happens!"

Aside from that being completely irrelevant to the current issue... precog does mean seeing something before it happens.

[SirNitram]

what rules havent I followed?

The rule about dismissing points because of rudeness. If you can't read, don't make claims of being intelligent.

Really? is there a rule that says "all mods can read your minds" because, I didnt dismiss their posts because of that, so again: what rules am I breaking

Posts are to be made in the relevant forum.

If you intend to start a debate, search the forum and the associated websites first, to see if your arguments have been raised before. If you are too lazy to search the forum and the associated websites before launching what you no doubt believe to be an innovative and original argument, then do not complain if you are flamed to a crisp.

Do not "hijack" threads by trying to change the subject in mid-stream. We are aware that a discussion may meander into different tangents and even different subjects without any conscious effort to make it do so. However, there are times when, in the judgement of our staff, someone has deliberately ignored or tried to change the subject of a thread.

Do not use someone's rudeness as an excuse to ignore his points.

If you dismiss an argument because of its use of profanity, you can be instantly banned.

[Prodigal Son]

Perhaps it would be better if you tried to address the points people have made (yes, more than one person have made clear, concise points, despite your claims otherwise.) Heck, even I attempted to, but after it became clear you weren't actually going to try and address them, at least not reasonably, I let myself indulge a bit.
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Except, when I do address them I am met with the ever so intelligent response of "your wrong you fucking moron!"


and after it became clear? you mean after everyone started calling me a fanwhore for stating my opinion? or a moron? dont get it twisted, im not upset about that, nor is it the reason why I 'dismissed' their points, I simply dont see a point to it, I am a new member on this board, are they not welcome? so, why should I be met with such hostility? why should I continually be called a variety for what you perceive to be as me dodging points? how come other people cant reply to my posts in a civil manner? sure you dont have to, but theres no reason to act like a prick

[Darth Wong]

what rules havent I followed?

The rule about dismissing points because of rudeness. If you can't read, don't make claims of being intelligent.

Really? is there a rule that says "all mods can read your minds" because, I didnt dismiss their posts because of that, so again: what rules am I breaking

You actually said yourself that you wouldn't answer certain people because they were rude.

[Darth Wong]

Posts are to be made in the relevant forum.

*looks around* nope, this forum isnt called the "lets make a topic just to talk about how much smarter we are than CBR

Borg cubes vs Death Star is relevant to this forum. Superman vs the entire SW universe is not, and it's also stupid for you to think that it's a slam-dunk for Superman.

[Prodigal Son]

SWvsST. Read the beginning of the thread.

i did, then it turned into "lets talk shit about CBR" how come you werent bitching about it then?


[quote
Aside from that being completely irrelevant to the current issue... precog does mean seeing something before it happens. [/quote]


Now, make up your mind, you say I dismiss their points, when that WAS their point, nobody bothered to explain how the jedi can increase their reaction time to supermans level, nor do they bother to pay attention to the fact that even with precog you would need to have SOME type of lightspeed reaction time in order to react to superman, when this is brought up, I am called a "fucking moron"

[Darth Wong]

So, "Prodigal Son", you claim to have answered every single real point. Therefore, if we go through the thread and find so much as a single point you didn't bother answering, will you concede that you lied?

[Noble Ire]

Except, when I do address them I am met with the ever so intelligent response of "your wrong you fucking moron!"

If that is the sole bit of content in a response, then you are correct to take offense. However, I have seen very few posts in this thread that lack some sort of content. SDN does not restrict vulgarity, as long as it accompanies a point. That's something you'd get used to if you posted here often, or lurked.

[Prodigal Son]

You actually said yourself that you wouldn't answer certain people because they were rude.

No, people thought I was dismissing them, if they did think that 1- it was not intentional and 2- it was not because of profanity, so again I ask: what rules am I breaking? so if I do a search, i wont find any topics that delve off into something else, and on the chance that i do, ill find a bunch of posters bitching and whining about it, right?

[Wyrm]

By the way, banning a ranting looney != banning someone over a difference of opinion. You get banned for your not obeying the rules.

what rules havent I followed? and Im a ranting looney? why? because I Dont think every other reply should contain insults to other posts? i even got caught up in it myself

In order: See SirNitram's post. Yes. Because you are, and any sane person can see that. You are free to use or not use insults to your personal taste, but that doesn't give you leave to ignore others using insults. You still need to answer the fucking points.

The difference between SirNitram and yourself is that he is (often) right and you are a moron, because SirNitram knows how to fucking use his grey matter

damn, you said he was right, I concede to that shit, fuck providing evidence

The facts are already in evidence.

Fact: Jedi do have precog.

Fact: the matter that Jedi don't have precog doesn't work all the time is perfectly consistent with what we know about the Force.

Fact: Precog means PRECOG, meaning that they can tell where speedsters are GOING TO BE, even if they have to use misdirection to trick Flash into bisecting himself on a Jedi's lightsaber.

Fact: If this is low-power post-Crisis Supe's were talking about, then this is post-Crisis Flash, and post-Crisis Flash CAN'T run at C. Dumbass.

Fact: the challenge was being able to defeat any SW character, and Palpy-chan is not only a Dark Lord of the Sith, but he's also the Galactic Emperor, so he can bring weapons of massive mass destruction onto Supe's head. (This is DW's argument.)

Thank you for playing!

[Noble Ire]

Now, make up your mind, you say I dismiss their points, when that WAS their point, nobody bothered to explain how the jedi can increase their reaction time to supermans level, nor do they bother to pay attention to the fact that even with precog you would need to have SOME type of lightspeed reaction time in order to react to superman, when this is brought up, I am called a "fucking moron"

The speed of Chiss weaponry has already been mentioned, several times.

[Prodigal Son]

So, "Prodigal Son", you claim to have answered every single real point. Therefore, if we go through the thread and find so much as a single point you didn't bother answering, will you concede that you lied?

Oh jesus fucking christ, get over it, i addressed every point I saw, make me a list of the shit I didnt address and ill address it right now