An Ancient wrote:Yes, I think it's safe to consider that there are two different shielding technologies at work when the shield itself has a radically different visual appearance.
Radically different? Fuck off, it's the same thing set to 'orange.'
And the fact that the 'ice' shields do have a definite 'raise' effect, whereas Goa'uld ship shields have never been seen to have either.
They did in Serpent's Lair, numbnuts.
Not weapons grade naquada, but even the Prometheus hull was constructed of a trinium-naquada alloy, I'm thinking the Goa'uld use naquada as a dual power source/armour plate in the same way the US uses Uranium for power generation/bombs and depleted uranium for tank rounds and tank armour.
Flat dead wrong chuckles. There's a fucking transcript of Prometheus, you find me a quote about the trinium alloy containing naquadah, go on.
Especially given that it was a major plot point in the next episode that the hull and contents of
Prometheus were considerably less appetising to replicators than Asgard ships. You're suggesting they're practically made out of the same thing.
Put up evidence, or shut up.
Not really, see Prometheus, Earth has very limited access to naquada and they managed to build, at the last count, as least seven fairly large warships using naquada as part of the hull material. The Asguard also use naquada as part of the hull of thier newer ships.
Earth rolled in modern mechanical methods, supposedly. The jaffa hitting things with shovels and hoes are a considerably more primative way of going about things. But no, you'll just ignore that to keep on assuming the whole fucking ship is made of naquadah. Do you not even realise what a dishonest idiocy that is?
I mentioned him in my first post you'll notice, and given this is Anubis, is him poking around with a chunk of Ancient computer tech really that surprising?
The computer core is
full of irregular 'quartz' crystals, while some terminals elsewhere on the ship use flat ones. The same occured on Cronos' ship. Frankly, you're full of shit, both Ancients and Goa'uld used both styles of control crystals. The
master control crystal and various others of
every DHD (that is, incidentally, a much better shot showing the inside of a DHD) are crystal shaped, just like the crystals in goa'uld ships. While the Ancients seem to have mostly phased out the colourful, crystal shaped designs, they clearly used them at various points in their history.
So yes, I think it's a fair bet, given how similar they look, to say that the crystal-based computers used by the goa'uld are derived from ancient-technology; if not, they're certainly a suspisiously convergent design.
Cronos' ship appears to be an outlier, we've seen the corridor cyrstal trays of a lot of Goa'uld ships,
Not really. We've seen the control cystals of
the damn same ships in different shapes. The same Anubis ship you're trumpeting about like a retard had standard crystal trays in the corridors and in its computer room. You're full of shit Ani.
Offhand, the goa'uld capital ships that have had significant scenes in them where their control crystals were shown were; Cronos' ship (Double Jeopardy, Exodus, Enemies) and Anubis' (Revalations/Descent).
and the command unit trays of the same, they're all 'quartz' style, given that the ship was Cronos's flagship, and the scavenging nature of the Goa'uld, it's not out of the question he installed some upgrades he'd scavenged on that particular ship.
Bollocks. There's no evidence that Anubis upgraded his control crystals. Stop grasping and flailing desperately and try to use your brain for a minute.
Did you know that the goa'uld and ancients use the same type of
light fitting too? Props get recycled on the show all the time.
By your standards, the Eye of Ra and the Eye of Tiamat are different technologies because one was orangey-yellow ovoid shape and the other was a red hockey puck.
As Daniel Jackson said to Repli-Carter the knowledge of the Ancients is also understanding, not just pure knowledge,
The knowledge of the
ascended ancients. It's a fair bet the replicators already have the Ancient database; the Asgard downloaded it long ago, and the replicators had overrun entire asgard worlds. That scene has nothing to do with the ancient database, you duplicitous little crapsack.
which would've gone a long way to help. Not to mention his entire brain was basically running on 'overclock' settings. Copying Ancient math into English isn't evidence of his originally having advanced math skills to that level. Give me a translation sheet and I could copy out a lot of advanced maths from Russian into English, doesn't mean I'd actually know what it meant.
Again, the point sails over your head and hits the ceiling. Russian Algebra is much the same as English. Hell, no translation is actually neccessary Do you think Russians are from another fucking planet? What the hell makes you think:
X
Y
Would mean X divided by Y to an ancient? In the same way, O'Neill comes up with all sorts of mathematical symbols there, and somewhere in his brain, unless the ancients mysteriously used the same mathematical notation as we do, the meanings of those symbols must be known. Why the hell would the ancient database contain symbols like
cos and various other modern mathematical notations? While the ancients would logically have their own versions, O'Neill's memory would have to contain at least basic algebra in order to render it into algebra. Quite clearly at least part of what he was doing was drawing on his own concious or subconcious memories; there's no reason to think that programming (in machine code!) the SGC computer would necesserily be directly from ancient knowledge, rather than something he's picked up from his stay there.
The same is not true of goa'uld technology; there's no logical reason why O'Neill should be able to easily modify a Tel'tak's engines unless the technologies used in those engines are very similar to those used by the ancients.
Well, he certainly did some sort of programming, given that the lock-out was obviously written to coincide with a heretofore unknown 8-chevron dialling sequence (which he would've had to program in) specifically when the base's power input was increased, and then shut itself down after the resultant wormhole collapsed.
Yes, thank you, I know what would require programming. However:
Machine code does not work that way.
Human machine code is
different for every processor. Machine code for my computer would be different to the machine code on yours. The scene simply doesn't work with the kind of literalism you're trying for here.
The only way the Ancient Database could provide knowledge of how to program in machine code was if it allowed users to develop some kind of "machine empathy" power that gave them a telepathic understanding of machines. Or if the Ancients programming it went forward in time, invisibly stalked their way into the SGC, and analysed the SGC's computers.
We also have to remember that his could also access relevant parts of the Ancient repository relevant to the situation, like the DHD schematics and how to fix one.
So, given the Ancients worked with naquadah, and so probably knew it's energy properties, when building the power generator he probably thought: "I'll need something powerful to get this working, hey, Teal'c's staff is quite powerful, I wonder if that would do it?" at which point the relevant part of the Ancient database would've told him something on the lines of "If it's this big, then yes, otherwise no." All subconciously, since he proffesed complete ignorance on a concious level of what he was doing.
Oh yes. Your marvelous defence of your idea that goa'uld technology is as fundamentally different from that of the Ancients as something from another universe astounds me.
