[Psyborg] Size of the Star Wars Galixy?

[Batman]

If "Modest" does not have a significant meaning then why use the word at all? Since the descriptive word "Modest" was used, then it follows that it must be significant and important. Therefore, it is not subject to debate Vs "Lesser canon" is it?

This is one of the stupidest lines of reasoning I've ever heard.
Not that you have any way to determine what the SW galaxy is modest in relation to. The novelization describes the galaxy in comparison to-what?
All galaxies in the universe? The ones in the local supercluster? Local cluster? It's neighboring galaxies? Which is it?
Until you have higher canon evidence for what it's modestly sized in comparison to the 120,000ly stands (assuming for the moment that we accept your completely arbitrary definition of 80% in the first place).

[Einhander Sn0m4n]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

[Perseid]

All of the arguments are from the lessor canon and as such they are less realivant are they not?

The cruxt of the argument boils down to the average size of galixies and how much smaller than this figure the word Modest means. I would think that to be realivant the word "modest" must mean something say less than 80% of the average size. In fact if we were to assume that a meaningfull differance would require at least one standard deviation the the word "Modest" must be slightly smaller than 78% of the average size of the total population of galixies.

If "Modest" does not have a significant meaning then why use the word at all? Since the discriptive word "Modest" was used, then it follows that it must be significant and important. Therefore, it is not subject to debate Vs "Lessor canon" is it?

Again you claim that the figures are of a lesser canon, which Ire has dealt with.

And again you claim that modest means smaller than average, when you have been shown a definition from dictionary.com, and here is the definition of modest from The Oxford English Dictionary:

modest adj. 1 having or expressing a humble or moderate estimate of one's own merits or achievements. 2 diffident, bashful, retiring. 3 decorous. 4 moderate or restrained in amount, extent, severity, etc. (a modest sum). 5 (of a thing) unpretentious in appearance etc. (from Latin modestus 'keeping due measure'

Where does it say in that definition that modest is below average?

The ICS has been shown to have other errors of fact as shown by "G" canon and is sertainly not more significant than the other "G" canon refferances. Since the figure of 120,000LY from the ICS can not possably be correct, then it must be discounted! Using any refferance from the lessor canon would automaticaly impune your argument. Therefore, the Galixy must be smaller than average size, because that is the "G" canon requirment.

Again provide evidence of this fact, if you'd even bothered to read anything on this forum (a skill you have shown little of) then you would know that when you make a statement like this you have to back it up, it's called BURDEN OF PROOF dumbshit.

Now evidence of mistakes in the ICS, evidence that the SW galaxy CANNOT be 120,000LY, and evidence that the SW galaxy is smaller than average, and of course evidence that the SW galaxy is smaller than the Milky Way.

[Lord Zentei]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

Such a thought! I wonder whether it is so. Too bad for him that at the end of ESB the SW galaxy is seen to be a spiral galaxy, which means that it is not a dwarf galaxy, since they are all irregulars...

[Batman]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

No really that's a mean thing to say. Surely Psydolt would never do something like that.
BAD Einhander! No dessert for you! Keep this up and we won't let you railgun this stupid fuckh... poor misunderstood fellow poster.

[Psyborg]

All of the arguments are from the lessor canon and as such they are less realivant are they not?

The cruxt of the argument boils down to the average size of galixies and how much smaller than this figure the word Modest means. I would think that to be realivant the word "modest" must mean something say less than 80% of the average size. In fact if we were to assume that a meaningfull differance would require at least one standard deviation the the word "Modest" must be slightly smaller than 78% of the average size of the total population of galixies.

If "Modest" does not have a significant meaning then why use the word at all? Since the discriptive word "Modest" was used, then it follows that it must be significant and important. Therefore, it is not subject to debate Vs "Lessor canon" is it?

Again you claim that the figures are of a lesser canon, which Ire has dealt with.

And again you claim that modest means smaller than average, when you have been shown a definition from dictionary.com, and here is the definition of modest from The Oxford English Dictionary:

modest adj. 1 having or expressing a humble or moderate estimate of one's own merits or achievements. 2 diffident, bashful, retiring. 3 decorous. 4 moderate or restrained in amount, extent, severity, etc. (a modest sum). 5 (of a thing) unpretentious in appearance etc. (from Latin modestus 'keeping due measure'

Where does it say in that definition that modest is below average?

The ICS has been shown to have other errors of fact as shown by "G" canon and is sertainly not more significant than the other "G" canon refferances. Since the figure of 120,000LY from the ICS can not possably be correct, then it must be discounted! Using any refferance from the lessor canon would automaticaly impune your argument. Therefore, the Galixy must be smaller than average size, because that is the "G" canon requirment.

Again provide evidence of this fact, if you'd even bothered to read anything on this forum (a skill you have shown little of) then you would know that when you make a statement like this you have to back it up, it's called BURDEN OF PROOF dumbshit.

Now evidence of mistakes in the ICS, evidence that the SW galaxy CANNOT be 120,000LY, and evidence that the SW galaxy is smaller than average, and of course evidence that the SW galaxy is smaller than the Milky Way.

From you quote of the oxford dictionary; "having or expressing a humble or moderate estimate of one's own merits or achievements. 2 diffident, bashful, retiring. 3 decorous. 4 moderate or restrained in amount, extent, severity, etc. (a modest sum). 5 (of a thing) unpretentious in appearance etc. "

Many of these statements could be construed to mean smaller than average. What are the rest of the quotes from the Websters American and all of the other Dictonarys? Who cares? Modest means lessor than the average at least as far as coloquealism is concerned. If the average size of galaxies is less than 10,000 LY agross and if such a galixy has more than one million systems in it, that tells me that that would be a good place to start. and Modest no mater how you define it does not mean 12-25 times as large as average. Such a size would not by any of the deffinitions posted so far be "Modest" would it?

[Noble Ire]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

Such a thought! I wonder whether it is so. Too bad for him that at the end of ESB the SW galaxy is seen to be a spiral galaxy, which means that it is not a dwarf galaxy, since they are all irregulars...

Just for the record, that stellar body isn't the Galaxy.
Saxton's article on it.

Nevertheless, numerous other sources make it fairly clear that the SW galaxy is a regular spiral, as you say.

[SirNitram]

Many of these statements could be construed to mean smaller than average. What are the rest of the quotes from the Websters American and all of the other Dictonarys? Who cares? Modest means lessor than the average at least as far as coloquealism is concerned. If the average size of galaxies is less than 10,000 LY agross and if such a galixy has more than one million systems in it, that tells me that that would be a good place to start. and Modest no mater how you define it does not mean 12-25 times as large as average. Such a size would not by any of the deffinitions posted so far be "Modest" would it?

Prove the average galaxy is less than 120,000 LY in diameter, fucktard.

[Lord Zentei]

Psyborg, you incredible asshole, I have already pointed out that the SW galaxy is seen as being a spiral galaxy. IT CANNOT BE A DWARF GALAXY!

"Modest" must mean in relation to spiral galaxies in general.

[Lord Zentei]

Prove the average galaxy is less than 120,000 LY in diameter, fucktard.

This should not be our challenge: the average galaxy is not relevant, since the SW galaxy is a spiral galaxy.

[Psyborg]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

No really that's a mean thing to say. Surely Psydolt would never do something like that.
BAD Einhander! No dessert for you! Keep this up and we won't let you railgun this stupid fuckh... poor misunderstood fellow poster.

I did not say minimalist ever. My possition is that modest could not be used by normal people to discribe a galixy that is in the top one percent of galixies by size. 120,000LY is certainly deep into the 99 %tile and as such no rational person could call it "Modest" could they?

[Lord Zentei]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

Such a thought! I wonder whether it is so. Too bad for him that at the end of ESB the SW galaxy is seen to be a spiral galaxy, which means that it is not a dwarf galaxy, since they are all irregulars...

Just for the record, that stellar body isn't the Galaxy.
Saxton's article on it.

Nevertheless, numerous other sources make it fairly clear that the SW galaxy is a regular spiral, as you say.

Thanks for the headsup: I only mentioned that particular scene since it was the one I remembered off the top of my head.

[SirNitram]

Prove the average galaxy is less than 120,000 LY in diameter, fucktard.

This should not be our challenge: the average galaxy is not relevant, since the SW galaxy is a spiral galaxy.

You've a point. The average of a spiral would be more relevent. Of course, he's not going to prove anything, so this small gaff is going to be irrelevent.

[Surlethe]

I did not say minimalist ever. My possition is that modest could not be used by normal people to discribe a galixy that is in the top one percent of galixies by size. 120,000LY is certainly deep into the 99 %tile and as such no rational person could call it "Modest" could they?

I must've missed where you provided the evidence for this assertion. Could you please do so again?

[Lord Zentei]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

No really that's a mean thing to say. Surely Psydolt would never do something like that.
BAD Einhander! No dessert for you! Keep this up and we won't let you railgun this stupid fuckh... poor misunderstood fellow poster.

I did not say minimalist ever. My possition is that modest could not be used by normal people to discribe a galixy that is in the top one percent of galixies by size. 120,000LY is certainly deep into the 99 %tile and as such no rational person could call it "Modest" could they?

Unless it is a given that it is a spiral galaxy.

[Batman]

I did not say minimalist ever. My possition is that modest could not be used by normal people to discribe a galixy that is in the top one percent of galixies by size. 120,000LY is certainly deep into the 99 %tile and as such no rational person could call it "Modest" could they?

PROVE IT SHITSTAIN!
Prove that 120K ly is top knots. Prove that it is in the given frame of reference.

[Adrian Laguna]

Modest means lessor than the average at least as far as coloquealism is concerned.

Oh really? I hate to break it to you, but the word "modest" is very often used to mean "about average". Now quit your stupid semantics whoring.

[Psyborg]

Many of these statements could be construed to mean smaller than average. What are the rest of the quotes from the Websters American and all of the other Dictonarys? Who cares? Modest means lessor than the average at least as far as coloquealism is concerned. If the average size of galaxies is less than 10,000 LY agross and if such a galixy has more than one million systems in it, that tells me that that would be a good place to start. and Modest no mater how you define it does not mean 12-25 times as large as average. Such a size would not by any of the deffinitions posted so far be "Modest" would it?

Prove the average galaxy is less than 120,000 LY in diameter, fucktard.

See NASA web site. There are Spiral Galixies as small as 1000LY accross. The average is something less than 10,000LY so modest must be less than this.

[SirNitram]

See NASA web site. There are Spiral Galixies as small as 1000LY accross. The average is something less than 10,000LY so modest must be less than this.

Give the link and quote the text. Frankly, you're the illiterate retard who thinks hyperbole is hyperboil(Which would be the kind of sore you are on the ass of the human race), galaxy is gilixy(Possibly some kind of space glitter), and who thinks that the fact humans can see the illuminated core of the galaxy doesn't effect your idea that the core would be dark.

[RedImperator]

I think he's trying to redefine 'modest' as 'minimal' in order to make SW hyperdrive speeds, command-and-control, and logistics capabilities much more in line with something quite a bit less powerful, such as, perhaps, the Federation, maybe?

No really that's a mean thing to say. Surely Psydolt would never do something like that.
BAD Einhander! No dessert for you! Keep this up and we won't let you railgun this stupid fuckh... poor misunderstood fellow poster.

I did not say minimalist ever. My possition is that modest could not be used by normal people to discribe a galixy that is in the top one percent of galixies by size. 120,000LY is certainly deep into the 99 %tile and as such no rational person could call it "Modest" could they?

Considering Andromeda has been measured at nearly twice that, and Andromeda is by no means abnormal, it makes perfect sense to say that the Star Wars galaxy is modest sized, for a spiral galaxy. As for "modest sized" in comparison to all galaxies, it is quite modest in size compared to the supergiant eliptical galaxies. I'm still waiting for your evidence of tiny spiral galaxies--Triangulum is 30,000 light years across, considerably smaller than the Milky Way or Andromeda, but to cross even that in a matter of days would be phenomonal, and it contains hundreds of billions of stars. The Small Magellanic Cloud, a truly "modest" galaxy only 7000 light years across contains a billion stars, and it's completely irregular, without a hint of a spiral structure. So is the Large Magellanic Cloud, and so are all the other small galaxies in the Local Group which aren't eliptical. So where are your million star spiral galaxies, besides up your ass with the rest of your evidence?

[Lord Zentei]

See NASA web site. There are Spiral Galixies as small as 1000LY accross. The average is something less than 10,000LY so modest must be less than this.

Give the link and quote the text. Frankly, you're the illiterate retard who thinks hyperbole is hyperboil(Which would be the kind of sore you are on the ass of the human race), galaxy is gilixy(Possibly some kind of space glitter), and who thinks that the fact humans can see the illuminated core of the galaxy doesn't effect your idea that the core would be dark.

I am still not accepting that "modest" means "below average". It could just as easily mean more than an order of magnitude less than the largest galaxy in the local galactic cluster the SW galaxy is in.

Asking for this shitstain's evidence is playing the game he wants: this whole issue of "modest" and "average" is one big hyperbole in any case.

[Lord Revan]

I'd like to also see a link to your sources to confirm that you ain't talking out of your ass here it's not after up to us to find evidence to your argument (if they can called that).

[Psyborg]

Why don't you prove that the average galixy is larger than 10,000LY across.
For ever astronimy web site it lists at least some info on the size distribution of galixies. For every one of 100,000LY there are 100 less than 10,000LY across. For every one of 10,000 there are 100 of ~1,000LY. You do any kind of analysis you like but the numbers will show that the average is less than 10,000LY across.

[SirNitram]

Why don't you prove that the average galixy is larger than 10,000LY across.

Because you made the claim.

D. R. 6

If you are asked for evidence to support a claim you've made, you should either produce this evidence or concede the point until such time as you can produce this evidence. People who consistently ignore requests for evidence to support their claims (particularly contentious claims) are not looked upon kindly here.

For ever astronimy web site it lists at least some info on the size distribution of galixies. For every one of 100,000LY there are 100 less than 10,000LY across. For every one of 10,000 there are 100 of ~1,000LY. You do any kind of analysis you like but the numbers will show that the average is less than 10,000LY across.

I see you're not going to support your claim, so you were, in fact, lying again.

[Lord Zentei]

Why don't you prove that the average galixy is larger than 10,000LY across.
For ever astronimy web site it lists at least some info on the size distribution of galixies. For every one of 100,000LY there are 100 less than 10,000LY across. For every one of 10,000 there are 100 of ~1,000LY. You do any kind of analysis you like but the numbers will show that the average is less than 10,000LY across.

SPIRAL GALAXIES, ASSHOLE. NOT DWARF GALAXIES.