Sea Skimmer wrote:I always liked the way the ASU-85 looked; latter Soviet airborne forces replaced the ASU-85s with a detachment of BRDM-3 armored cars with ATGMs, and I think we all know how downright ugly a BRDM is.
THere is the BDM with that 120mm gun now.
At this point, I was thinking of deploying both the BDM and LAV-III, with the former for close in fire support, while the latter is for forward reconnaissance.
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
When I see that Sea Skimmer has over 40 divisions that are in decent shape, that just reinforces how fucked a nation like mine would be in a conflict with an Imperium. (Luckily I'm on a continent with no large powers. Attacking over the sea is quite a different beast from an over land invasion.)
I'm fielding esentially four divisions worth of troops with 12 rather lightly equipped combat brigades. Would this be an apropriate force for a nation like mine that has around $750-800 billion GDP and is likely to constantly be embroiled in one brush war or another? France has around 17 Brigades I think, and they have a hell of a lot bigger economy than I would (They also don't spend very much on defense, however.)
Raj Ahten wrote:When I see that Sea Skimmer has over 40 divisions that are in decent shape, that just reinforces how fucked a nation like mine would be in a conflict with an Imperium. (Luckily I'm on a continent with no large powers. Attacking over the sea is quite a different beast from an over land invasion.)
I'm fielding esentially four divisions worth of troops with 12 rather lightly equipped combat brigades. Would this be an apropriate force for a nation like mine that has around $750-800 billion GDP and is likely to constantly be embroiled in one brush war or another? France has around 17 Brigades I think, and they have a hell of a lot bigger economy than I would (They also don't spend very much on defense, however.)
Bear in mind that Skimmer is using a "downrated" military, without a lot of heavy and advanced equipment-- the "quantity" vs "quality" argument.
Depending on what you're planning on doing, your army is about the right size. If you plan on having them be a sort of mercenary force for hire, I see them as a sort of cross between the Rhodesian Scouts and Sandline International's "contractors". Effective, so long as they stay in the bush wars they were designed for. Trying to stand up against an organized combined-arms assault would lead to a pretty quick and moist end.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Raj Ahten wrote:When I see that Sea Skimmer has over 40 divisions that are in decent shape, that just reinforces how fucked a nation like mine would be in a conflict with an Imperium. (Luckily I'm on a continent with no large powers. Attacking over the sea is quite a different beast from an over land invasion.)
I'm fielding esentially four divisions worth of troops with 12 rather lightly equipped combat brigades. Would this be an apropriate force for a nation like mine that has around $750-800 billion GDP and is likely to constantly be embroiled in one brush war or another? France has around 17 Brigades I think, and they have a hell of a lot bigger economy than I would (They also don't spend very much on defense, however.)
I think if I am not wrong, Skimmer doesn't have much of a navy. So lose those destroyers and so forth, you might get a similarly sized army.
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
I'm mainly trying to make sure my military makes some kind of sense, given my priorities. I'm very loosely basing my nation on South Africa, mainly in that I am likely to be involved in a multitude of wars with my neighbors, who are mostly craptastic. However, with a major foreign policy goal being keeping foreign powers from pissing all over frequesque(?)(which is my job ), I need a military that can be taken seriously by real oponents. Hence my decent airforce. As for the navy, mine is pretty damn small compared to most, and I do have extensive litoral areas to control, so I need something. Plus having the ability to use marienes is always a good option to have.
This time around, I am ditching the whole nation as a PMC that I used last time. That was just a way to get the tiny nation I had then engaged in world affairs. (I wouldn't say no mercenaries would be coming from Indhopal this time around though.....)
My nation is difficult to get to overland, so all I really need is an army to block the mountain passes and then keep a strategic reserve for any amphibious assaults. The Sirnoth Navy should be able to prevent any of those.
RogueIce wrote:So you're Phong's little brother, country-wise?
With an added dose of Dredd and noir, but that'd be basically it .
Although you'll probably annoy some of us less simply because you won't have the economy and/or manufacturing ability he'll have.
So basically, it'll be a little while before Stas deals with you.
I'm going to make damned sure I don't piss off the wrong people though. I might be an irritant from time to time, but President Hank ain't suicidal. Plus, I'm on another continent entirely. One would presume Stas will be busy dealing with his immediate vicinity first .
Raj Ahten wrote:I'm mainly trying to make sure my military makes some kind of sense, given my priorities. I'm very loosely basing my nation on South Africa, mainly in that I am likely to be involved in a multitude of wars with my neighbors, who are mostly craptastic. However, with a major foreign policy goal being keeping foreign powers from pissing all over frequesque(?)(which is my job ), I need a military that can be taken seriously by real oponents. Hence my decent airforce. As for the navy, mine is pretty damn small compared to most, and I do have extensive litoral areas to control, so I need something. Plus having the ability to use marienes is always a good option to have.
We might be able to make a deal here - I've got a decent navy myself, and a rather small (but professional) army. I might be able to slip in another cruiser or another pack of destroyers, and then we could form a Frequesuan Treaty Organization of a sort, with its own naval taskforces to keep the continent clean of those darned meddlin' Great Powers (plus it'd make ampibious landings on the coasts of our NPC nations a hell of a lot easier). Pooling our military resources would make this whole 'keep the Big Sticks away' vastly more doable.
SiegeTank, just make sure you do business with the right people. No, we don't like it when you do business shamelessly unethically.
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
Raj Ahten wrote:When I see that Sea Skimmer has over 40 divisions that are in decent shape, that just reinforces how fucked a nation like mine would be in a conflict with an Imperium. (Luckily I'm on a continent with no large powers. Attacking over the sea is quite a different beast from an over land invasion.)
I'm fielding esentially four divisions worth of troops with 12 rather lightly equipped combat brigades. Would this be an apropriate force for a nation like mine that has around $750-800 billion GDP and is likely to constantly be embroiled in one brush war or another? France has around 17 Brigades I think, and they have a hell of a lot bigger economy than I would (They also don't spend very much on defense, however.)
Well for me, using a more "balanced" military (evenly splitting my points amongst Army, Navy and Air Force, for the most part) I have some 10 divisions of the latest and greatest kit, more or less. For variety's sake I probably won't have it all updated to the bleeding edge, but it'll be capable.
And I still have 576 points left over, so I could probably double that if I wanted to. Hell overall I have 724 points: basically I can add a little under a Kingdom's military to mine still.
Plus he's got some older equipment compared to most (his OOB makes mention of plenty of T-55s still in service) so that lets him have more raw numbers. And if Coyote's right, his Navy ain't all that big either.
I guess the point of all that is to show that the points system can give a reasonable interpretation of your relative strengths. Sure it's not perfect but I am happy to see it can be done "good enough" as well.
"How can I wait unknowing?
This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
SiegeTank wrote:We might be able to make a deal here - I've got a decent navy myself, and a rather small (but professional) army. I might be able to slip in another cruiser or another pack of destroyers, and then we could form a Frequesuan Treaty Organization of a sort, with its own naval taskforces to keep the continent clean of those darned meddlin' Great Powers (plus it'd make ampibious landings on the coasts of our NPC nations a hell of a lot easier). Pooling our military resources would make this whole 'keep the Big Sticks away' vastly more doable.
What say you?
I'm willing to join the FTO, and bring my modest military forces with me.
This is an empty country and I am it's king, and I should not be allowed to touch anything.
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:SiegeTank, just make sure you do business with the right people.
Do I detect an unspoken "or else..."?
Still, since everyone seems to be manufacturing their own guns, I guess my main customers will be the NPCs in my neighborhood.
Just don't be funding the regional warlord who commits genocides on the fly, or someone allied with a belligerent power.
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
Awright, that's it. The history of Pezookia is done.
I shall now proceed to writing the country profile, finishing up the army stats, and maybe I'll whip up a flag and coat-of-arms.
Oh, BTW. Should the FUN standardize its equipment?
It would work best if we all used the same stuff, as it would allow us to support each other logistically. Also, it'd simplify training and command procedures, making the Old Continent more secure.h
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
Raj Ahten wrote:I'm mainly trying to make sure my military makes some kind of sense, given my priorities. I'm very loosely basing my nation on South Africa, mainly in that I am likely to be involved in a multitude of wars with my neighbors, who are mostly craptastic.
South Africa? Are you going to have a apartheid type situation to stir political trouble> Maybe not some group purposefully kept down due to race, but maybe a large working class locked out economically with few chances due to a strict but un-acknowledged caste system of sorts?
Also, look up Rhodesia. That might give you some ideas, too.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
PeZook wrote:Awright, that's it. The history of Pezookia is done.
I shall now proceed to writing the country profile, finishing up the army stats, and maybe I'll whip up a flag and coat-of-arms.
Great history. I am going to have to expand upon my own. Can't let you have all the glory.
Oh, BTW. Should the FUN standardize its equipment?
It would work best if we all used the same stuff, as it would allow us to support each other logistically. Also, it'd simplify training and command procedures, making the Old Continent more secure.h
Well I'm going with mainly Russian stuff and I guess Stas will do the same. And Shroom is going with American products. This seems unlikely.
I expanded the last post as well. That's about all the history posts I will do I think.
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
I have started assembling basic information on my country and I was wondering if we were going to put it into the OOB thread or make a new one for this?
Here is what I have so far:
United Socialist Shadow Republic
Flag and coat of arms:
Motto: Peace through Power
Capital: Sarajevo
Language(s): Shadow(BHS), English
Government: Socialist Republic
President: Shady
Currency: Shadow Mark
Now I plan on adding a lot more to this. As you can see I'm going with a Nod theme.
PeZook
What are we going to call the NPC countries between us? How many of them are we going to have?
Coyote, you forgot to add Byzantium to the list of MESS nations.
STGOD: Byzantine Empire Your spirit, diseased as it is, refuses to allow you to give up, no matter what threats you face... and whatever wreckage you leave behind you.
Kreia
DarthShady wrote:I have started assembling basic information on my country and I was wondering if we were going to put it into the OOB thread or make a new one for this?
Put it in the OOB thread: it is after all labeled "building your country", plus several people have done so already and it's redundant to have multiple threads on each nation when you can just put all the info in one place.
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Coyote, you forgot to add Byzantium to the list of MESS nations.
I jusy copy-pasted the old info; I am in th eprocess of updating info now.
That post is basically just a placeholder. I need a list of all the MESS nations involved this time, since the old list had a number of Mess members who never actually participated.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
Raj Ahten wrote:I'm mainly trying to make sure my military makes some kind of sense, given my priorities. I'm very loosely basing my nation on South Africa, mainly in that I am likely to be involved in a multitude of wars with my neighbors, who are mostly craptastic.
South Africa? Are you going to have a apartheid type situation to stir political trouble> Maybe not some group purposefully kept down due to race, but maybe a large working class locked out economically with few chances due to a strict but un-acknowledged caste system of sorts?
Also, look up Rhodesia. That might give you some ideas, too.
Well, since the new coalition government took power, they would have worked to end the huge divides in wealth seperating the "natives" from the "colonists". The elites certainly aren't going away though, and the old governments's foreign policies left such huge problems abroad that dealing with the instability created will be a major concern. So basically, my nation used to be a total shithole some 20 years ago, but reforms have been working on improving matters more recently.
On another matter, I would be quite interested in some sort of military/political/economic organization in Frequesque(?). I was going to suggest something similiar once the game started so we could have a big conference and such . I'd be for a rather loose framework, rather than an EU type set up.
Raj Ahten wrote:On another matter, I would be quite interested in some sort of military/political/economic organization in Frequesque(?). I was going to suggest something similiar once the game started so we could have a big conference and such . I'd be for a rather loose framework, rather than an EU type set up.
I proposed a Frequesuan Treaty Organization earlier - Karmic Knight already expressed interest. We could start with some cooperation on common defence, and then once the game starts we might want to hold a conference to possibly expand that into something more?
PeZook wrote:Awright, that's it. The history of Pezookia is done.
I shall now proceed to writing the country profile, finishing up the army stats, and maybe I'll whip up a flag and coat-of-arms.
Oh, BTW. Should the FUN standardize its equipment?
It would work best if we all used the same stuff, as it would allow us to support each other logistically. Also, it'd simplify training and command procedures, making the Old Continent more secure.h
I spoke with Shroomy on MSN about this. He liked the idea of European weapons. I'm planning to use Marder IFVs and Leopard 1 tanks, as well as some other weapons of similar origin. We could cooperate on a 5th Generation fighter setup: The Shroomfighter Typhoon!
The Leo 1 is, like, a full generation behind, dude!
And I can support the fighter, as long as it's not named the Shroomfighter
JULY 20TH 1969 - The day the entire world was looking up
It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small. - NEIL ARMSTRONG, MISSION COMMANDER, APOLLO 11
Signature dedicated to the greatest achievement of mankind.
MILDLY DERANGED PHYSICIST does not mind BREAKING the SOUND BARRIER, because it is INSURED. - Simon_Jester considering the problems of hypersonic flight for Team L.A.M.E.
), I need a military that can be taken seriously by real oponents. Hence my decent airforce. As for the navy, mine is pretty damn small compared to most, and I do have extensive litoral areas to control, so I need something. Plus having the ability to use marienes is always a good option to have.
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