SDNW5 Preliminary Discussion Thread

[Skywalker_T-65]

That's what I meant...I didn't think you would actually tear them completely apart. And I agree, they are rather large and unwieldy at the moment. Again though, the only nations that Space Sweden has an interest in are Sol, Bastian, and possibly the Chamarrans if Dark wants to send a TR my way.

[OmegaChief]

Plus, if we don't do it, the Belkans will.

And no one wants to see the Belkans with more resoruces and power.

Though maybe if we let them make thier land grab, then move in to oust the Belkans as a policing action...

[Simon_Jester]

I know one of my trade routes is reciprocal with the Haruhiists. What about the other one? I forget...

[Skywalker_T-65]

The Belkans with more power? Yeah, we don't need that, or the Covvies with more power for that matter. And it does give an excuse to treat them like they deserve...again though, not like I'll be involved unless they get uppity towards my trade partner(s) or Sol.

EDIT: Ninja'ed...speaking of which...anyone who really wants to send one my way can, I just can't send anything back, unless I sacrifice a GDP boost...which I am willing to do if someone really wants those high-quality Furling Arcadian ship-parts/infantry weapons.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Considering the arrangement of the Holy Empire, the Volscian Confederacy, and the Capellan Authority, we could actually get a good old-fashioned triangular trade going. All we need to determine is what get traded to who.

Oh hey, that'd be pretty sweet, and could complciate things if either/both of us join in with an attempted carving up of the Confederacy once it starts to fray at the edges.

I think Scottish Ninja said the confederacy priamril exported raw materials though?

Edit: Wait, how does this sound.

Confederacy trades raw materials to the Authority.
The Authority trades gravity based tech to the Empire.
The Empire trades weapons to the Confederacy.

I think that might work?

Giving things a little more thought towards proper bilateral trade:

Volscian Confederacy: Trades raw materials to the Holy Empire and the Authority (in the case of the Holy Empire, it'd be stuff that's in short supply domestically)
Authority: Trades gravity-based tech to the Holy Empire and (?) to the Confederacy
Holy Empire: Trades weapons to the Confederacy and mass media products to the Authority

Of course, I'd have to sacrifice one of my warp gates to get that third trade route in (one is already taken up going to Umeria), but it can be done.

As for Belka, if I go after them overtly, that leaves me open to the Covenant and their Gray backers.

[OmegaChief]

I know one of my trade routes is reciprocal with the Haruhiists. What about the other one? I forget...

I think you were keeping it open until we got the map up like most of us were, or at least that's what I remember without digging through 40+ pages anyway.

Edit: Darn it Shinn posting before me.

I'd have to loose a sector to gain another trade route between the Authority and Confederacy, but I'd be happy to accepted one of Scottish Ninja's, perhaps repesenting that the trade is more focused on Volcians sending stuff our way then the other.

Otherwise your triangle looks good.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Well Shinn, look at it this way, to get to you the Grays have to at least go 'close' (Relatively speaking) to Earth. So if the Grays stepped in to help the Covvies, they might not be able to resist nabbing something from Earth...which would tick off the Furlings and Arcadians. So you would probably get an ally.

(Also, anyone who really wants a TR with me, I can sacrifice a GDP boost for it...refer to the edit of my last post)

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Edit: Darn it Shinn posting before me.

I'd have to loose a sector to gain another trade route between the Authority and Confederacy, but I'd be happy to accepted one of Scottish Ninja's, perhaps repesenting that the trade is more focused on Volcians sending stuff our way then the other.

Otherwise your triangle looks good.

While we wait on Scottish Ninja to look things over, I would like to assume that things are good on our end. At the very least, consider bilateral trade between the Holy Empire and the Authority to be a thing now.

[Scottish Ninja]

Yep, all sounds good. Especially the part about intervening in a Belkan war, as is traditional - of course an international coalition has to come together to fight them! Later - "Uh, guys? The Belkans are gone... uh, are you planning on leaving any time soon?"

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Yep, all sounds good. Especially the part about intervening in a Belkan war, as is traditional - of course an international coalition has to come together to fight them! Later - "Uh, guys? The Belkans are gone... uh, are you planning on leaving any time soon?"

The story ideas just seem to write themselves, it seems. Splendid, very splendid. I'm glad we managed to work this out rather quickly.

[Skywalker_T-65]

I know what you mean on story ideas writing themselves... *looks at his multiple prologue posts...*

Also, I'll need to know about a potential trade route soon, since I would have to fix my GDP again to take that into account, and I have to get off the internet in about 30 or so minutes...

[Simon_Jester]

Multiple posts are good. We want lots of story posts. Lots and lots...

Massive international coalitions to beat up single unpopular opponents are bad. We want fair fights, or reasonably fair ones.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Ah, but that's where the Gray's and Covvies come in. If they start beating up the Belkans then those two will get involved. Which may drag in Space Sweden if the Gray's get uppity towards Sol. The old Furling 'Guardian of Lower Races' thing has transferred into an Arcadian need to protect Earth. So we may go from a border skirmish to a pan-galactic war...fun times isn't it?

[Panzersharkcat]

Yes, and we'll get rich selling weapons and medicine to everybody involved.

[Skywalker_T-65]

In any case, I will probably get rich helping people build up their navies. Assuming that Dark or anyone else takes me up on the TR offer. Panzer for sure is going to be getting a lot of ship parts.

[Simon_Jester]

OK, although remember that Giant Power Blocs are bad too, because they lead to boring and lame cold wars.

What I'd like is people willing to square off one-on-one or two-on-two, not five-on-six or ten-on-one.

Also remember that there can be confrontation without war, and that such confrontations are often more interesting, unless you happen to be really freaking good at writing battle scenes. Or have a very close friend who will do it for you.

[Skywalker_T-65]

Like CATO? Yeah, I know what you mean, that's why I stay out of any power blocks (notice my only ally is the Nation who are friends with EVERYONE?). Most of my confrontations are going to be more diplomatic than war related. Since I royally suck at battle's and none of my fanfic inclined friends are any better (nor would they help me if they were). The only 'war' I'm likely to get involved in is stomping Arcadia First (which reminds me...must work up a description of the Space Viking sector...).

[OmegaChief]

Edit: Darn it Shinn posting before me.

I'd have to loose a sector to gain another trade route between the Authority and Confederacy, but I'd be happy to accepted one of Scottish Ninja's, perhaps repesenting that the trade is more focused on Volcians sending stuff our way then the other.

Otherwise your triangle looks good.

While we wait on Scottish Ninja to look things over, I would like to assume that things are good on our end. At the very least, consider bilateral trade between the Holy Empire and the Authority to be a thing now.

Yep, all good, it is now a thing that is real.

And don't worry Simon, the Holy Empire can't commit many forces as Shinn says, or the covenant and Grays will tear into them, and like wise the Authority can't commit many forces as we're bound to be involved in the Cham/Helene scuffle.

Which leads to a three way with limtied fleets of teh Authority and Holy Empire vs the Belkan Agressors, vs the factions fo the Confeeracy who want us all out (And anyone who sides with them) which should keep it nice and interesting.

[Force Lord]

Is the Centrality the only nation that lacks long-time rivals which keeps its ambitions in check, as well as allies? Something needs to keep us honest, even if we tend to rattle our swords often.

[OmegaChief]

You could put yourselves down near the Chamarrans, they're always happy to have more human rivals, that'd put you near the Legue too, which given the Centralities position on ESPers should proove for some... interesting developments.

[Akhlut]

I know one of my trade routes is reciprocal with the Haruhiists. What about the other one? I forget...

Want one with the NenAltKik Mk II?

[Skywalker_T-65]

I went ahead and changed two of my GDP boosts into trade routes. So if anyone wants those high-quality Furling Arcadian ship-parts and weapons, just ask. Hopefully someone actually picks them up soon, before everyone runs out of routes to send my way.

EDIT: And a route with the Gray's would be awkward considering the Furling's history...so that may not work...

[Akhlut]

There are alternative, nominally independent (not really, though) governments within the Hegemony, though.

[Simon_Jester]

NOW WE KNOW! Now we know where the Scumdogs get all their sweet weaponry from! It's from Space Sweden!

I know one of my trade routes is reciprocal with the Haruhiists. What about the other one? I forget...

Want one with the NenAltKik Mk II?

That would potentially be awkward politically, for obvious reasons. I'm sure some trade with them exists, but not a massive flow that represents a notable percent of GDP...

Unless that would be funny.

Would that be funny?

[Skywalker_T-65]

*deer caught in headlights*

WAIT...WHAT?! I haven't sold anything to the Scumdogs

(In all seriousness I haven't sent anything their way, though the Vikings may have)

EDIT: Thus those two routes are still open. Just let me know in here or by PM I really don't care either way.