STGOD 2020 OOC Thread
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Totally copying VX's idea, doing a quick list of my own named characters for keeping track of things
CREW OF THE THUNDERBIRD
Theodore Moz---------Quatonian--------Male Captain
Thaddeus Fonz--------Quatonian--------Male Sensors
Kletania Tethlala-----Tejlin-------------Female First Officer
Ja’Jaro Durandola----Octona-----------Male Comms Officer
Nasenjs Unsceut------Octona-----------Male Chief Industrial Director,
Delena Liyateloma---Trathalan--------Female Chief of Security
CREW OF THE FREDERICO
Fred J Coweber-------Quatonian-------Male Captain / Financier
Charooper Charoon---Conearian-------Male Accountant / Assessor
Patreecia Patroki-----Octona-----------Female Doctor / Mechanic
Clukor Telemondi-----Octona-----------Female Mechanic
Budecian Kalinormi---Octona-----------Male Helm / Navigation
Maddisian Telemondi-Octona-----------Male Mechanic
LEGACY OF SKOTHIA
The Cenobiarch-------Skothian *
High Bishop Macon----Skothian *
High Bishop Akron-----Skothian *
Brother Sparcon-------Skothian *
COLONY OF ZOZO
Alyeena Kelonoa-------Tejlin-------------Female Primary Operations Manager
Tlasoni Renolwan------Octona-----------Male First Officer of the Saffron, reassigned to zozo
MISC INDIVIDUALS
RUDI------------------------Rampant AI----Male Jovial Business Mogul
Jonathan Coweber-------Quatonian------Male Retired Alliance General
Jakenenth Kejtala-------Qwintoni--------Male Retired Imperial Soldier wanted for Treason
Kevenjak Klenthoro------Qwintoni-------Male Current Imperial Ruler of Tajlan Empire
Darnethlil Lontimanloa--Trathalan------Male Current Ruler of Lonti Clan
Adric LontiRichardson---Human----------Male Wayward Human and Co-Clan Leader
Thyla Liyapamella-------Trathalan-------Female Current Ruler of Liya Clan
CREW OF THE THUNDERBIRD
Theodore Moz---------Quatonian--------Male Captain
Thaddeus Fonz--------Quatonian--------Male Sensors
Kletania Tethlala-----Tejlin-------------Female First Officer
Ja’Jaro Durandola----Octona-----------Male Comms Officer
Nasenjs Unsceut------Octona-----------Male Chief Industrial Director,
Delena Liyateloma---Trathalan--------Female Chief of Security
CREW OF THE FREDERICO
Fred J Coweber-------Quatonian-------Male Captain / Financier
Charooper Charoon---Conearian-------Male Accountant / Assessor
Patreecia Patroki-----Octona-----------Female Doctor / Mechanic
Clukor Telemondi-----Octona-----------Female Mechanic
Budecian Kalinormi---Octona-----------Male Helm / Navigation
Maddisian Telemondi-Octona-----------Male Mechanic
LEGACY OF SKOTHIA
The Cenobiarch-------Skothian *
High Bishop Macon----Skothian *
High Bishop Akron-----Skothian *
Brother Sparcon-------Skothian *
COLONY OF ZOZO
Alyeena Kelonoa-------Tejlin-------------Female Primary Operations Manager
Tlasoni Renolwan------Octona-----------Male First Officer of the Saffron, reassigned to zozo
MISC INDIVIDUALS
RUDI------------------------Rampant AI----Male Jovial Business Mogul
Jonathan Coweber-------Quatonian------Male Retired Alliance General
Jakenenth Kejtala-------Qwintoni--------Male Retired Imperial Soldier wanted for Treason
Kevenjak Klenthoro------Qwintoni-------Male Current Imperial Ruler of Tajlan Empire
Darnethlil Lontimanloa--Trathalan------Male Current Ruler of Lonti Clan
Adric LontiRichardson---Human----------Male Wayward Human and Co-Clan Leader
Thyla Liyapamella-------Trathalan-------Female Current Ruler of Liya Clan
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HEAR YEE HEAR YEE
As role play is wrapping up, I feel it probably a good thing to, as on previous pages, post a summary of events to tie up everything nice and official.
For those following I thought it may be a good place to post a summary of treaties worked out and diplomatic offerings that have been offered. I noticed a number of teh recent posts have the "OOC such and such treaty offered."
thought now would be a good time to list them all together here before moving on,.
As role play is wrapping up, I feel it probably a good thing to, as on previous pages, post a summary of events to tie up everything nice and official.
For those following I thought it may be a good place to post a summary of treaties worked out and diplomatic offerings that have been offered. I noticed a number of teh recent posts have the "OOC such and such treaty offered."
thought now would be a good time to list them all together here before moving on,.
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I have agreed to nothing with anybody at the present juncture, however that may change. Nashtar will always pursue trade agreements, however trade does nothing for you mechanically in the rules.
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Endeavour so far only has an official agreement with the Theophanic Empire. The terms were mutual non-aggression, freedom of movement for people and goods, a basic recognition of territory, something about preventing further planetary destruction incidents and an agreement to split Symmachia. Similar agreements are on the table for everyone else, though the various Endeavour peoples present at the conference have yet to make that offer IC.
As an aside, once the conference is finished, the general consensus amongst players seems to be a small time-skip into turn 2, with some intermission posts to set up various plot threads. That would be a good time to jump into the game, if any lurkers/inactive players are interested
As an aside, once the conference is finished, the general consensus amongst players seems to be a small time-skip into turn 2, with some intermission posts to set up various plot threads. That would be a good time to jump into the game, if any lurkers/inactive players are interested
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Likewise, the Theophanics only have an official agreement with Endeavour.
The Cradle of the Stars situation with the pirate attack has led to a temporary mutual understanding of peace/ceasefire at least until the resolution of the diplomatic meeting aboard Dystropos.
The Theophanic diplomatic attitude towards other nations, at the moment, is mostly "huh, really, you guys exist? ...well okay. Khajit Emperoress has wares, if you have coin?" and "we'll play nice if you'll play nice."
The Cradle of the Stars situation with the pirate attack has led to a temporary mutual understanding of peace/ceasefire at least until the resolution of the diplomatic meeting aboard Dystropos.
The Theophanic diplomatic attitude towards other nations, at the moment, is mostly "huh, really, you guys exist? ...well okay. Khajit Emperoress has wares, if you have coin?" and "we'll play nice if you'll play nice."
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I think right now we are moving into the "We have made contact , now we can explore the larger galaxy" side of things, and "treaties" at this point are more:
"We can move freely between one another [Within reason] without stepping on toes [obviously more civilian and diplomatic exchanges]
Yes, 'trade' agreements do not do anything mechanically in the game, but offer good openings for possible additional story possibilities between groups in terms of cultural exchange.
More Official for a moment, the bulk of my "diplomatic offers" basically boil down to an offer of open borders that will be ratified officially by the UISC council at a later date (since the captain attending obviously does not have legal authority to make treaties, but just to pass along offers given to him by higher up.
"We can move freely between one another [Within reason] without stepping on toes [obviously more civilian and diplomatic exchanges]
Yes, 'trade' agreements do not do anything mechanically in the game, but offer good openings for possible additional story possibilities between groups in terms of cultural exchange.
More Official for a moment, the bulk of my "diplomatic offers" basically boil down to an offer of open borders that will be ratified officially by the UISC council at a later date (since the captain attending obviously does not have legal authority to make treaties, but just to pass along offers given to him by higher up.
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I know we did a short summary, but I felt the need to type up things for me in a bit more detail, just touching on the key points of action. Also putting down things I haven't DIRECTLY RP'ed out, but assuming "have taken place" as we are moving on to chapter 2, chiefly the Thunderbird leaving the area and limping back to its original destination of Zozo at Zenar Minor.
UISC END OF TURN SUMMARY:
The crew of the Thunderbird, en route to the colony of Zozo experienced a malfunction in their FTL Drive and was pushed off course. By the time emergency shut down was initiated, the ship had exited near the Nebular where Theophoric forces had arrived.
Shortly there after a Dreadnought exited from netherspace and was heavily damaged. The ship was quickly put under attack by Pirate forces.
Responding to signals in the area, both Nashtar and Endeavor forces investigated followed by Holy Empire forces.
After observing the battle enough to ascertain that majority of forces were working in conjunction against the pirates, the Thunderbird engaged in battle as well helping to mop up remaining pirate activities.
Upon ceasing of battle, communications was established with forces in the area, explaining their arrival due to drive malfunction. After coordinating with Endeavor forces, repairs were started on the ships FTL Drive.
Shortly around the same time, a diplomatic gathering was offered to allow new forces to open lines of communication more official.
The crew of the Thunderbird attended the party, had a delightful time, and extended authorization for future communication and discussions of diplomatic treaties at a future date.
The ship was escorted out of the Nebula by Endeavor forces and made it's way back to Zozo where it unloaded a number of remaining items it was trans porting to the colony.
UISC END OF TURN SUMMARY:
The crew of the Thunderbird, en route to the colony of Zozo experienced a malfunction in their FTL Drive and was pushed off course. By the time emergency shut down was initiated, the ship had exited near the Nebular where Theophoric forces had arrived.
Shortly there after a Dreadnought exited from netherspace and was heavily damaged. The ship was quickly put under attack by Pirate forces.
Responding to signals in the area, both Nashtar and Endeavor forces investigated followed by Holy Empire forces.
After observing the battle enough to ascertain that majority of forces were working in conjunction against the pirates, the Thunderbird engaged in battle as well helping to mop up remaining pirate activities.
Upon ceasing of battle, communications was established with forces in the area, explaining their arrival due to drive malfunction. After coordinating with Endeavor forces, repairs were started on the ships FTL Drive.
Shortly around the same time, a diplomatic gathering was offered to allow new forces to open lines of communication more official.
The crew of the Thunderbird attended the party, had a delightful time, and extended authorization for future communication and discussions of diplomatic treaties at a future date.
The ship was escorted out of the Nebula by Endeavor forces and made it's way back to Zozo where it unloaded a number of remaining items it was trans porting to the colony.
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A helpful timeline for anybody desiring a general idea of the history of the STGOD 'verse. Requests for specifics should be directed towards the parties involved.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zAP ... sp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zAP ... sp=sharing
- EVENT YEARS AGO
[SEC]-Skothian Stoogium is Formed 13000 Aprox
[SEC]-Trathalan Nuclear Holocaust 5000
[ALL] “The Present” on Earth 4500? (Approx)
[THE] Initial Colony Fleet sets forth from Terra 4000 (Approx)
[SEC]-Skothian War with Naz-Satikul 3500
[SEC]-“The Gate” appears on Jahlin 3400
[THE] Events culminating in the birth of the Emperoress 3400-
and the founding of the Theophanic Empire on ten Raab 3000 (Approx)
[SEC]-Skothian Exodus and collapse 3000
[THE] Theophanic Empire expands 2500-present
[END]-Colony fleet sets off, then gets stuck >2000 (Unknown)
[SEC]-Skothians arrive in galaxy 2000
[SEC]-Fall of Lazarians 2000
[SEC]-“War in Heaven” takes place 2000
[THE] Protector Corps decimated; Thorikto fleet distributed
among genia 1800 (Approx)
[SEC]-Skothians seed artifacts around Sector 1500
[THE] Yosser apo Paradosi becomes first Lord soi Chelonis
of Erepia, begins construction of Megakolymvitis 420
[END]-the first colonists begin to wake back up 350
[THE] Megakolymvitis completed 346
[SEC]-A container from 1980's Earth shows on Quatonia 325
[SEC]-Quatonia and Octonia make radio contact 300
[THE] Yosser soi Chelonis passes, Daudo inherits 280
[END]-Elon turns up, Amazo-X war starts 250
[SEC]-1st contact between Quatonia and Octona 240
[THE] Daudo soi Chelonis passes, Hercaulo inherits 240
[END]-Amazo-X war ends (LS-122, AW-1) 240-245
[END]-1st jump drive ships built (Astras, Nostalgias) 225
[SEC]-Tajlan colonises Jahlin 220
[END]-Archer destroyers and AW-2 enters service 220
[END]-Neos, Gotobe, Tigo are explored and inhabited. 220-100
[END]-Anime characters start showing up 220-100
[SEC]-Radio contact with Conearaza 200
[THE] Hercaulo soi Chelonis passes, Mokhanda inherits 160
[END]-Mars Attacks Aliens Incident! 100
[END]-First modern ships - Kitsune, Endeavour and NP,K 90
[THE] Mokhanda marries Daxa soi Fylachto 82
[END]-First modern capitals - Glorys - enter service 50
[THE] Daxo soi Chelonis born 48
[END]-cs,b battleships enter service 45-40
[SEC]-Tajlan Launches Asteroid Vessel 40
[THE] Kharon soi Chelonis born 38
[SEC]-Alliance Begins Rushed Ship Construction 35
[SEC]-Skothians Leave Sector 26
[SEC]-The Tajlan war starts 20
[SEC]-Adric arrives from Earth on Trathala (circa 2002) 18
[SEC]-The Tajlan war ends 17
[SEC]-Skothians return 16.5
[SEC]-Neutral Station Built on edge of Expanse 16
[SEC]-New computer needed as station grows 14.5
[SEC]-Kelnonthin kids born in Lymann Clan 14
[SEC]-Ruco Corinthala vanishes on Jahlin 14
[SEC]-RUDI comes online 13
[THE] Daxo soi Chelonis renounces titles and joins the
Imperial Protector Corps; Kharon inherits titles 13
[SEC]-RUDI reveals himself and begins business 13
[SEC]-Next Gen Warships planned and begins work 12
[SEC]-The Dregmaw Incident takes place 11
[END]-Work starts on the last few capitals 10
[SEC]-Kelnonthin moves to Lonti Clan 07
[THE] Kharon soi Chelonis begins campaign against
Amazo-X incursions and Cult of Lon Bezo 05
[SOS]-Made in Heaven upheaval 02
Start of STGOD 00
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[SOS] = Holy Empire of Haruhi Suzumiya, Shinn Langley Soryu
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And a helpful dramatis personae of named Theophanic characters. Some of these haven't appeared just yet so if you catch a few you haven't seen before, that's why.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IfH ... sp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IfH ... sp=sharing
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Just a hair bit of context for Ambassador Rraskrarr's reference at the conference.
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Related to my last story post:
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I have tagged you all because I see that you've either been active in the game previously or have logged onto the board in the last couple of days, and would like to see if you're still interested. The game isn't dead yet; we just had a lull.Esquire wrote: ↑2020-12-02 02:16am Encyclopedia Galactica, edition #ERROR 754 NaN [data field corrupted; please consult your local information archeologist or G-ISBN repository]:
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Also, in case it matters to anybody, the relief force that arrived at Barrier consisted of:
CL-13 NRS Unbent
CL-14 NRS Unbowed
DD-025 NRS Atria
DD-026 NRS Girtab
DD-028 NRS Naos
FF-021 NRS Virgil Earp
FFS-012 NRS Obsidian
This leaves DD-027 NRS Aludra holding orbit at the base at Joyous Gard.
CL-13 NRS Unbent
CL-14 NRS Unbowed
DD-025 NRS Atria
DD-026 NRS Girtab
DD-028 NRS Naos
FF-021 NRS Virgil Earp
FFS-012 NRS Obsidian
This leaves DD-027 NRS Aludra holding orbit at the base at Joyous Gard.
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I'm still kicking, I just haven't written anything yet since my faction is pretty insular (and moderately xenophobic) and the events to date have been far from our territory.
That being said, if anyone wants to have an explorer ship stumble across Orion space, let me know. I've mentally cut my fleet list down somewhat given how expensive my dreadnoughts and battlecruisers were, so I'm down to six and twelve respectively, rather than twelve and twenty-four.
Also I'm mentally revising a few societal things, so now my guys are grown as (deliberately imperfect, to allow growth/development) clones of original templates so it's "Name-number," but the truly exceptional ones get to be a new template and chose a name to become "Xanos-1" for example.
That being said, if anyone wants to have an explorer ship stumble across Orion space, let me know. I've mentally cut my fleet list down somewhat given how expensive my dreadnoughts and battlecruisers were, so I'm down to six and twelve respectively, rather than twelve and twenty-four.
Also I'm mentally revising a few societal things, so now my guys are grown as (deliberately imperfect, to allow growth/development) clones of original templates so it's "Name-number," but the truly exceptional ones get to be a new template and chose a name to become "Xanos-1" for example.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
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Sounds good, I might have someone poke that way in the next couple posts. I've been holding off since I thought you were out, but in-game events make it logical to have explorers kicking around again.
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Of course I may need to re-read various people's summarys since it's been a while since I checked them.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Re: STGOD 2020 OOC Thread
That's fair enough. The tl;dr version is Endeavour are nerdy anarchists with an Evangelion obsession, Nashtar is a relatively normal representative democracy with a focus on trade, and the Theophanic Empire is an aristocratic feudal nation with worryingly large ships.
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Pfft, democracies, like Orion gives a damn about that
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
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They don't have to give a damn about that as long as they do give a damn about not attacking Nashtar's shipping or territory.
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Like I said in the original planning thread, Orion won't start a fight, but we will finish it.
The sole exception, of course, is if you have any connection to the Lazari
The sole exception, of course, is if you have any connection to the Lazari
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
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I don't believe I do, however in the region there is the matter of the planet-that-should-not-be in the wilds of the nebula codenamed Tortuga. Nashtar knows of its existence from captured pirates, but has yet to determine its coordinates, partly because they don't quite believe it could actually be in with a bunch of blue giants. Could such a phenomenon be connected to the ancient Lazari or their enemies? Who can say?
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- Eternal_Freedom
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Re: STGOD 2020 OOC Thread
Good point. Once I learn of this I shall have to dispatch a battle squadron to investigate. We do have considerable experience with unexpected habitable worlds around blue giants (good old Skaro) after all.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Re: STGOD 2020 OOC Thread
Feel free to jump in from my last, E_F; the idea is that some of the scouts will stumble into your territory. I can also do the actual... stumbling part, if need be, but figured I'd leave the initative with you.
- Eternal_Freedom
- Castellan
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Re: STGOD 2020 OOC Thread
Well I did say I had deep-space sensor networks, so perhaps I will dispatch a rapid-reaction force to investigate.
Baltar: "I don't want to miss a moment of the last Battlestar's destruction!"
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Centurion: "Sir, I really think you should look at the other Battlestar."
Baltar: "What are you babbling about other...it's impossible!"
Centurion: "No. It is a Battlestar."
Corrax Entry 7:17: So you walk eternally through the shadow realms, standing against evil where all others falter. May your thirst for retribution never quench, may the blood on your sword never dry, and may we never need you again.
Re: STGOD 2020 OOC Thread
Quick question, E_F, do you have a full ship list/ORBAT hanging about somewhere? Also, the STGOD channel on the SDnet discord is still active if you want to pop in there from time to time - though it's not essential.