SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread III

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Purchasing outstanding:

34 Phz2000's at 4.5 million from Pezooka

8 battalions of MRLS and 12 CH-53's at 1 billion from Master Bourne

Tranche IV EuroFighter Typhoon Upgrade (X12) from Pezook?

Dassault Rafale M (X18) from Siege Tank

MiG-31B (X14) from Pezook?

The Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche IV (new builds) are from me. If you want MiG-31BMs (my model), I do produce them in the USSR. There is the MiG-31T but ... I'm not sure if Stas wants to export that model.

[Bluewolf]

Ok then I will buy the 14 Tranche' IV's and 6 MiG-31BM's then. I will be quite happy with that.

[Shroom Man 777]

But... he killed so many people so efficiently .. how could I let him die.. and not get enhanced...

He got shot in a log cabin and died.






And I say we all agree with the RogueIce Proposition!

[RogueIce]

No! I don't want massive biological death everywhere

And yeah. Alan Shroompard! And kittens!

Rogue is gonna blow his top, though

There is at least a 40% chance that if you visit the Shinra Republic again, I won't murder you in your sleep.

EDIT: Or was that at most? Oh well. Hey King Paul, want to visit Disney World in my version of Orlando?

[Shroom Man 777]

I already got dibs on Shroomsney Land. With Walt Shroomsney and... what was that, some sort of conspiracy or something? Yeah.

Shroom McDuck! Shroomland Duck! DuckShrooms, woohoo!

[RogueIce]

I already got dibs on Shroomsney Land. With Walt Shroomsney and... what was that, some sort of conspiracy or something? Yeah.

Shroom McDuck! Shroomland Duck! DuckShrooms, woohoo!

I'm investing in mind control technology. The scourge of your Shroom-names must be purged from the land, and the only way to do that is to mind control everybody into legally changing their names.

Yeah, that's the ticket...

Oh well. If I can't have Disney World I'll have something similar and call it...Wonder World? Sure, why not.

[Shroom Man 777]

Actually, fuck it, you can have Disney World.


Too bad, though. I wanted to have a Walt Shroomsney who'd allege that the Film Actors Guild (FAG) were a bunch of damned dirty Crimson-commanded commie sympathizers or some shit.

[MKSheppard]

And I keepses my promise to Marina

[PeZook]

Rogue, if it gives you any comfort, we can have a Shinra guy do the first spacewalk

And Bluewolf, you can go to fingolfin for your pzh2000s and the eurofighters. I was just pimping them (and saving your monies!) for him

Besides, my factories probably make spare parts for them anyway

BTW, I need to figure out what weapons I produce, because it seems like everybody took the good kit

[Steve]

Shep, you do know what Q intervention means, right? It means Q is basically ennabling the "cure" to wipe out your bioagents completely, mutations included. No cheap fucking out for you.

Maybe I should've just gone to the extreme solution and had Q nullify the entire bio-attack. Both of them.

[PeZook]

Wait, so we're having Q nullify the attack? As in, no casualties whatsoever?

I posted what I posted assuming the viruses had some effect before Q intervened...

[Coyote]

Sounds good.

[MKSheppard]

Maybe I should've just gone to the extreme solution and had Q nullify the entire bio-attack. Both of them.

Maybe I should just pull thermonukes out of my ass and hit you with them. Would be as logical as Q interfering in a minor war.

If lots of people dying is criteria to introduce Q; why didn't he show up in SDN World One, or during our various World Wars in the Trekverse...Hmm?

[Master_Baerne]

Umm, I really don't know. I suppose the howitzers would go for about 160 million per battalion (16), while each helicopter would cost 30 million each. MLRS systems are 5 million per unit, since it's basically a rocket pod on a truck and some radar.

In short:
1 battalion M109 SP guns: 160 million ROBs
1 battalion MLRS systems: 80 million ROBs
1 CH-53 heavy lift copter: 30 million ROBs

8 battalions of the MLRS and 12 CH 53'S.

So thats 1.4 billion, deal.

Jolly good, then. Expect delivery within a year.

[Steve]

Actually, I think the players should have had Q stop your nuke attack last time, since you launched it over stuff mentioned in the god damned AIM chat room. But they chose to just let the game get restarted.

Bringing up the World Wars in the Trekverse is irrelevant, since they weren't games by Q.

I didn't have him turn up because "a lot of people died". I had him turn up because you went completely off your rocker and attempted to genocide another country because you didn't like the player controlling it even though he was waving the damned white flag and had already signed his sovereignty over to a larger group of states that would have guaranteed abolition! You had absolutely no IC justification for the bioattack.

You threatened the lives of not just the bulk of the Astarian population but also all of the foreign nationals there, including the officials from PeZookia and any other international figures sent to help Astaria sort through foreign nationals and repatriate them. And in doing so you guaranteed that your country would be targeted by the rest of the sane world and, of course, you've prepared for that inevitable beatdown with your "hide the subs for a year if signals are lost and then launch mass bioattacks" post.

So fuck that.

I swear, Shep, you would be a fun participant if you didn't go off the rails like this. I mean, that failed gun-type device test got me chuckling. It was the kind of thing you do well. But launching a bioattack because you don't like Norseman's "spitroast" bit? Because you refuse to accept all measures taken by him to guarantee abolition? That's too far.

Oh, and by the way? I consider your posts about the cures not working to be null and void. Seriously, Shep, he's fucking Q, you don't think he didn't know the shit would mutate?

This is another one of your problems. You're like a damned lawyer, seizing every loophole. You seriously fucking thought that Q would not take mutation into account? The cures were his. They kill this shit completely, mutated or not. If a few microbes still survive, Q would just wipe them out himself with the snap of a finger.

[MKSheppard]

Bringing up the World Wars in the Trekverse is irrelevant, since they weren't games by Q.

But if Q cares so much about humanity, why didn't he intervene? Huh?

As for bioattacking him, well fuck you Steve. I took your advice and WAITED against all my instincts; and what did I get? A fucking alliance between the Slavers and the FUN. Yeah; thanks a lot steve. You almost caused the entire world to get dragged into a biowar thanks to that interval allowing a completely crazy alliance to form.

You threatened the lives of not just the bulk of the Astarian population but also all of the foreign nationals there, including the officials from PeZookia and any other international figures sent to help Astaria sort through foreign nationals and repatriate them.

I believe it's called playing international hardball, something the Old Dominion and Shepistan do quite well.

And in doing so you guaranteed that your country would be targeted by the rest of the sane world and, of course, you've prepared for that inevitable beatdown with your "hide the subs for a year if signals are lost and then launch mass bioattacks" post.

Yeah, because I thought ahead way back in July when we were plotting out this game -- "How do I prevent a repeat of SDN World 1 if things go pear shaped?" And the huge SSANs grew out of that. It was only after skimmer and me thought of adding 30+" tubes to them, that we began to think about possible other roles rather than post-attack dominance.

[PeZook]

Oh, so I guess Setzer is a closet slavocrat who would've reformed the abolition acts just to spite Shep?

Yeah, sure. A very probable outcome of Astaria signing away its sovereignty

[Steve]

As for bioattacking him, well fuck you Steve. I took your advice and WAITED against all my instincts; and what did I get? A fucking alliance between the Slavers and the FUN. Yeah; thanks a lot steve. You almost caused the entire world to get dragged into a biowar thanks to that interval allowing a completely crazy alliance to form.

You mean the alliance that would have guaranteed that the Astarian abolition was carried out? By all rights that should have stopped you because your achievements were accomplished!

That is why Q intervention was necessary to alleviate some of the damage. That's why we really should have Q just retcon the entire bioattack out of existance!

[Bluewolf]

But if Q cares so much about humanity, why didn't he intervene? Huh?

Q is not generally constistant and is happy to let some die then save some later. He is not a bloody knight of justice. Good god Shep no offence but the lawyer posts fits. Your remind me of one of those children in a playground who goes "nuh-uh my toy can defeat your toy using secret eye beams". Its that mentallity where you go over the top or strike beyond the normal rules and cry sour when someone else uses a similer tactic and try to argue over it.

I personally don't want this game to end up into some kind of Shep sponsored nuknig fest or any other kind of end of the world sconario where people go mad with the stuff. Now I am going to say that you are probably not the only one who has done it but you still seem to push for something like that to me. You launched a bio attack when the country was getting rid of its slavery. When you got bio attacked you tries to mute what is going to be at least moderate death and infection. Imagine if Norseman had tried the same thing.

I am going to get flamed badly but fucking hell. This game needs some kind of proper moderator or its all going to go to hell in petty squables and wanked cheap shots.

[MKSheppard]

That's why we really should have Q just retcon the entire bioattack out of existance!

So essentially, you want Q to retcon anything that threatens to upset your idea of this game out of existence? Does that extend to nukes, or even shrapnel from fragmentation bombs?

[Bluewolf]

No he is talking about their usage. Not the concepts themselves. No one said the bioattack as a concept was bad but where you damn well used it and how you used it when the last wave should of also been shot down.

[Steve]

Shep, seriously, is that a slippery slope argument I hear? "If he retcons this then he'll retcon everything that involves people dying or war!" Because, obviously, you seem to have missed the point of the situation being extreme and warranting such consideration.

[MKSheppard]

You launched a bio attack when the country was getting rid of its slavery.

By renaming it to "indentured servitude". Yeah, that's so getting rid of it.

When you got bio attacked you tries to mute what is going to be at least moderate death and infection.

It's not my fault a lot of people in this game are absolute idiots when it comes to military plans and operations.

If you told me to launch an attack on another country with WMDs on the cheap, I wouldn't have utilized some kind of evil genius hidden balloon launching ships launching giant balloons to float in the stratosphere.

I would have simply run obsolete ships ashore onto beaches with autopilots, and under tarps on their decks would be BM-30 Smerch MRLS launch tubes.

12 rounds per BM-30 launcher; stack about 12~ of them onto a ship, you've got 120 rounds that will go 90 km inland with the 9M528 rocket carrying 243 kg of WMD; that's 29,160 kg of WMD you can deliver all at once with no special cute tricks required. And if you can do the maths required for the trajectories and run the ships ashore accurately enough; you can saturate your targets with enough precision (something you can't do with a balloon).

As a bonus, you launch all 120 of those rockets within about what, 12 seconds, instead of taking most of a day to launch the balloons; increasing the chance of your attack getting through and achieving it's objective.

I'd probably mix in a couple of BM-21s, even though they're shorter ranged, (40 km I think is the best they can do, and only carry 20 kg of warhead); they do have the advantage of 40 rounds per launcher; which is good for saturation of defenses...

But no, the evil balloon plan must be picked; even though it has zero chance of working.

I absolutely giggled when I read Norseman's writing of how the SAMs were ineffective against the sturdy balloons.

It's not for nothing that the SA-2's blast radius increases to 250 meters at high altitude, versus about 100~m at lower altitudes, because the thinner air means there's less aerodynamic drag on the fragments from the warhead...

And a mylar balloon is going to be so much sturdier than 0.080" aircraft skin; which is what blast-fragmentation warheads are designed to cut through...

This game needs some kind of proper moderator or its all going to go to hell in petty squables and wanked cheap shots.

We had a moderator. She quit after we tried having a war.

[Siege]

So essentially, you want Q to retcon anything that threatens to upset your idea of this game out of existence? Does that extend to nukes, or even shrapnel from fragmentation bombs?

No, what we want is an end to your absurd way of reacting to shit that happens in the world. Hell, if you had some half-decent reason to unleash all hell, I'd be (sort of) okay with that. I could even get into your decision to let nukes fly in the last game, although I wasn't a participant at the time, because there seemed to be a shadow of reason involved, even if it was mainly an OOC shadow of reason. But faulty intel, sure, I could get into that.

But this? Engaging in biowarfare because you don't like Norseman, or think he wouldn't abolish slavery (even if it wasn't his decision to make anymore), or because he didn't go along with your preposterous ultimatum? That's fucking bullshit. No sane world leader would ever do something so utterly insane. Fuck, not even Stas, who is playing a borderline psychopath, would do that. Seriously, what's the goddamn reasoning here, "he won't free the slaves lickety-split so I'll kill all the people I want freed with horrid diseases"? That's it? Well fuck that noise; If ever there was a good reason for a retcon, this is it.

It's not just me, or Steve, or Bluewolf either. Insofar as I've seen there isn't anyone here who thinks your actions make any kind of sense whatsoever. Astaria had all but surrendered its sovereignty; slavery was abolished; Setzer was free to just declare the indentured servants free men... And then you kill them with ebola. Bloody fucking hell, the more I think about it the more I'm convinced all this tripe about how you 'waited' is bullshit: This is all just you, edging to demonstrate how much you know about WMD. Again. As demonstrated by all these gleeful "tee hee see how I had genetically engineered these horrid diseases! Ain't Shepistan teh smarts!" posts. Look at you, look at your last post: It's just another ramble about how much you know about weapons. Well that's just great for you, but at a guess, most people aren't here to hear you lecture us about weapons systems: we're here to play a fun game, and right now you're taking a bloody lot of fun out of it.

It's bloody fucking irritating and tiresome, it breaks my patience, SOD and will to play the game, and if we can retcon this whole bullshit away, then I say we go for it.

[erik_t]

It breaks SOD, and your solution is to retcon-in a science-defying act of Q?

Because the Italians before WW2 totally didn't gas cultures that they saw as subhuman and unworthy of continued existence? That's less believable than a magic reset button?

You know the solution that wouldn't break SOD? If half the participants stamped their feet and went home because things weren't developing as they like. I could totally believe that, because it fits right in with what I've been seeing for months.