SDNW5 Map Discussion Thread

[Crossroads Inc.]

Given the Belkans? That would not be a very safe place for you to be.

Ok for some reason I thought the Belkans were Skywalkers Space Sweds -_-
No keep me the hell away from the Belkans. Bah I was really hoping to be near the badlands. But I also wanted to be near Dark, and now they are on opposite sides. Not sure how I feel being next to a Behemoth like the League of Thought either.

[OmegaChief]

Given the Belkans? That would not be a very safe place for you to be.

Ok for some reason I thought the Belkans were Skywalkers Space Sweds -_-
No keep me the hell away from the Belkans. Bah I was really hoping to be near the badlands. But I also wanted to be near Dark, and now they are on opposite sides. Not sure how I feel being next to a Behemoth like the League of Thought either.

The League is huge but sparsly populated remember, so they're not quite as scary to be next to as you think!

[Darkevilme]

Given the Belkans? That would not be a very safe place for you to be.

Ok for some reason I thought the Belkans were Skywalkers Space Sweds -_-
No keep me the hell away from the Belkans. Bah I was really hoping to be near the badlands. But I also wanted to be near Dark, and now they are on opposite sides. Not sure how I feel being next to a Behemoth like the League of Thought either.

Think of the possibilities Crossroads.. you can buy Hellenic rocketspears and such to defend yourselves against the belkans.. there's a trade storyline here.

[Rabid]

@ Simon & White_Haven :

Do you have an objection to me putting Terminus and it shoal blob between you two empire ? Remember they are a real pirate nest (with raiding parties often adventuring to the neighboring sectors), and dislodging them from there would be really hard, as the place is almost impossible to navigate if you don't have the appropriate maps (which the Doxa may or may not have...).

Terminus : [X-15]
And the 8 neighboring sectors as hyperspace shoals

Ascension : [V-14/15/16] (preferably [V-15])

The Hub : [R/S/T - 14/15/16] or [Q-15]

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Think of the possibilities Crossroads.. you can buy Hellenic rocketspears and such to defend yourselves against the belkans.. there's a trade storyline here.

Hellenic rocketspears may not be of much help against rogue magical girls and Space Sukhois should the Belkans get antsy, but if he still thinks he needs them, I won't stop him from buying Hellenic arms. That's neither here nor there, though.

@ Simon & White_Haven :

Do you have an objection to me putting Terminus and it shoal blob between you two empire ? Remember they are a real pirate nest (with raiding parties often adventuring to the neighboring sectors), and dislodging them from there would be really hard, as the place is almost impossible to navigate if you don't have the appropriate maps (which the Doxa may or may not have...).

Terminus : [X-15]
And the 8 neighboring sectors as hyperspace shoals

Ascension : [V-14/15/16] (preferably [V-15])

The Hub : [R/S/T - 14/15/16] or [Q-15]

I may end up moving the Holy Empire into where you want to place the Hub, so you may want to think of an alternate location for it.

[Akhlut]

Eh, throw me kind of halfway between the Kryptonians and the Holy Empire, at least for now.

Also, the Grand Dominion is entirely the wrong color.

[Rabid]

I may end up moving the Holy Empire into where you want to place the Hub, so you may want to think of an alternate location for it.

Could you show me where exactly ? So I can re-adjust the whole thing.

[Simon_Jester]

If anyone would (like Esquire) care to create a picture of what they want so I can see it, that would be nice. Might be easier to figure out how to square everyone's ideas.

I'll buck the trend and ask to be put a bit to the left of the "Badlands" so I am still a bit out of the way.
I am hoping the Chams and Omni may be near by. But we shall see.

"Out of the way" and "near other people" are often mutually exclusive. As a micronation, placement is more important because you can't defend yourself against exploitation. So I would counsel you to wait a bit and see where the people you want to be near go.

1 2
3 4 5

5 = Neith
4 = Bastet
3 = Horus
2 = Sobek
1 = Isis

Sector names and relative positions. Neith should be around I-16.

Noted. Will factor this into the next map draft.

Okay then, my map should look like this (at least at the moment):

Arcadia: H7
Reach: H6
Kursk: I7
Miyazaki: I6
London: I5
Berlin: H8
Nome: G6

Does that work? (of course, this is assuming I don't end up next to the Holy Empire...but if this works better then by all means use it).

Noted. Will factor this into the next map draft.

Remember that you MAY be next to the Holy Empire IF you wish, it is your choice, it just depends on whether you want to wait for Shinn to make up his mind about where he goes.

The neighbours i want:
Hellenic confederacy
League of thought
UISC
Capella

I'm thinking maybe T-25 or T-27 as the general area of my empire

Noted. Will factor this into the next map draft. What is the proper shape of your empire? Can you create an image of the shape?

Up is coreward, right is spinward. For the sake of choosing a spot, the rectangle with the corners AA25 and BB27, and I'd like to draw some shoals into CC25 through DD27

Noted. Will factor this into the next map draft.

I'd like to be put at Y3 for the moment. May move it if it doesn't fit.

When I know the size, shape, and identity of your nation, I will consider this.

@ Simon & White_Haven :

Do you have an objection to me putting Terminus and it shoal blob between you two empire ? Remember they are a real pirate nest (with raiding parties often adventuring to the neighboring sectors), and dislodging them from there would be really hard, as the place is almost impossible to navigate if you don't have the appropriate maps (which the Doxa may or may not have...).

Terminus : [X-15]
And the 8 neighboring sectors as hyperspace shoals

Ascension : [V-14/15/16] (preferably [V-15])

The Hub : [R/S/T - 14/15/16] or [Q-15]

I'll hear this out pending discussion with White Haven.

I am well content to have ravening pirates in shoals on my rimward frontier, it gives the atomic rocket cruisers of the Stellar Patrol turret ships of the Space Security Force something to do for a living. It will help distract from the ork problem that may or may not exist on my coreward frontier.

Be advised, Umeria has little respect for the Nation's religious strictures within its own borders, the League is a violent and expansionist neighbor, and you are dangerously close to being caught in the predictable crossfire between the nukophiliacs of Shepistan (who hate all psychics) and the League (who are all psychics).

Timothy is OK with getting caught between them. Are you?

Also, from your description the Hub is out of warp gate 'free jump' range of your other sectors. Is that intentional, or did I misunderstand?

I may end up moving the Holy Empire into where you want to place the Hub, so you may want to think of an alternate location for it.

I think Shinn has precedence on where to put his nation, because he has specific desires for neighbors and so on, whereas Rabid's ideas work more or less wherever he goes.

Eh, throw me kind of halfway between the Kryptonians and the Holy Empire, at least for now.

Since we don't know where the Holy Empire is, can we wait on that? Also, it might make just as much sense for your guys to occupy the corners of a triangle, along with the Bastians and Kryptonians, not so?

Also, the Grand Dominion is entirely the wrong color.

I painted them Confederate-colored.

[White Haven]

Sure thing, I can dig some shoals in that vicinity. Also, being hemmed in by a pirate-infested hellhole dovetails quite nicely with the League's history as a nation.

[Rabid]

Here's an attempt to help Simon with drawing the map :

[derp]

Yellow is Ascension and Terminus (Terminus on the right and Ascension on the left)
Green is the shoals (note that Terminus itself is also a shoal)
Blue is the sectors where it would make some sense if you put The Hub there (I would prefer if it was one of the three sectors with a red-dot, but I'm not gonna cry if it isn't the case)

I'll hear this out pending discussion with White Haven.

I am well content to have ravening pirates in shoals on my rimward frontier, it gives the atomic rocket cruisers of the Stellar Patrol turret ships of the Space Security Force something to do for a living. It will help distract from the ork problem that may or may not exist on my coreward frontier.

Be advised, Umeria has little respect for the Nation's religious strictures within its own borders, the League is a violent and expansionist neighbor, and you are dangerously close to being caught in the predictable crossfire between the nukophiliacs of Shepistan (who hate all psychics) and the League (who are all psychics).

Timothy is OK with getting caught between them. Are you?

It would be ironic for Shep to see his own worlds nuked, exterminated to hell and back, and finally reduced to molten slag by month-longs kinetic bombardments in an Holy War, wouldn't it ?

Also, from your description the Hub is out of warp gate 'free jump' range of your other sectors. Is that intentional, or did I misunderstand?

Well, I would like it if the Hub were to be roughly at the center of the map, or at least close from the Center-of-Gravity of the game, so to speak. If it isn't compatible with the idea of having it at free warp-gate range from Ascension, then so be it.

[Rabid]

Thinking of it, I think I'll wait for the map to be a bit more populated before putting up a fixed position for The Hub.

It would also make sense if my Nomads Sectors where to be dispatched only at the end.

[Scottish Ninja]

Here's a possibly layout and location of the Volscian Confederacy, then:




I might alter distribution of points to trade off for a few more colony sectors though (needs more sprawl!) and I'm open to moving around a bit. Sort of want to have Belka on my doorstep and get a good traditional Belkan War going, but it's not essential.

[Karmic Knight]

Going off of Rabid's proposed locations for the Hub, I would like to request the plus sign that is The Commonwealth to be placed near the Hub, between 1 & 3 sectors to the left on the map.

[Force Lord]

Not sure where to place myself, though I'm currently thinking of filling out the upper-left corner of the map....

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

I've taken a crack at trying to draw the map, now that I have an idea of where to put the Holy Empire.

Redrawn map HERE

The biggest change to the Holy Empire is that it's been moved up and flipped horizontally. My preliminary territorial layout was a bit of a relic from SDNW4 in terms of its arrangement.

Note that I'm using Esquire's proposal for the location of the Hellenes and the Chamarrans, in the absence of a better alternative. In any case, there should still be more than enough room for the Grays in the space I've provided between the Holy Empire and the Kryptonians (and they can still form a triangle with the Bastians and Kryptonians at the other corners, too), the Commonwealth should still be able to get placed near the Hub, Arcadia can move closer to the Holy Empire if it wants, and the Volscians can get a good traditional Belkan War going on their doorstep now that they're right next to the Belkans.

[Vanas]

I've thrown Bees into the mix, let me know if this hurts anyone. If so, remember that BEES.

[Simon_Jester]

Vanas, that's about what I had in mind, yeah. I was thinking to put you a little further out- also, I wasn't making allowances for the presence of that big blob of shoals getting in the way of everything, although I can work with it. It sounds like Rabid's still thinking about where he really wants to go, though.

The Mark II draft I make of the map will not contain the Nation's territories, because he is still making up his mind- he seems to have been reconsidering, rather than just putting himself right next to someone who happened to be on the map at first glance.

But what's that thing you drew on the map in light blue? It doesn't look to be a country, or pair of countries...

[Panzersharkcat]

I don't know but it looks like a huge hand giving a thumbs up.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Vanas, that's about what I had in mind, yeah. I was thinking to put you a little further out- also, I wasn't making allowances for the presence of that big blob of shoals getting in the way of everything, although I can work with it. It sounds like Rabid's still thinking about where he really wants to go, though.

The Mark II draft I make of the map will not contain the Nation's territories, because he is still making up his mind- he seems to have been reconsidering, rather than just putting himself right next to someone who happened to be on the map at first glance.

But what's that thing you drew on the map in light blue? It doesn't look to be a country, or pair of countries...

Vanas was using Rabid's proposal for the Nation's location as a template. As explained by Rabid:

Blue is the sectors where it would make some sense if you put The Hub there (I would prefer if it was one of the three sectors with a red-dot, but I'm not gonna cry if it isn't the case)

On that note, have you taken a look at my own map proposal, by any chance?

[Rabid]

Well, thinking of the story potential, I like the current position of Terminus & Ascension. I also have no objection to having the bees just right next to me as shown on Vanas' map.

I'll wait for more external inputs before fixing the position of the Hub, but for now you can consider it is either in [S-14], [S-15] or [S-16], to be decided at the other's convenience.


@ Shinn : Yes, I've looked at your map, and I like it. It's what I wanted to say, in a clearer form.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Think of the possibilities Crossroads.. you can buy Hellenic rocketspears and such to defend yourselves against the belkans.. there's a trade storyline here.

Hellenic rocketspears may not be of much help against rogue magical girls and Space Sukhois should the Belkans get antsy, but if he still thinks he needs them, I won't stop him from buying Hellenic arms. That's neither here nor there, though..

Going to be a bit before I could buy outside ships if I wanted to... better to build my own, though I am up for selling low priced electronic goods the like of which the Galaxy has never seen before! Crimson Realities Inc. (A wholly owned RUDI subsidiary) will be happy to see computers, from video games to high end military mainframes to you!

*coughs* On map related notes. If things stand as they are, I am looking at being in the middle of the currently blank spot in right in the middle of the League, The Chams, the BEES and Shinn.

I will be right in the middle of everyone, but not actually "Next" to anyone, sort of in the middle of nowhere, which is kind of what I wanted orginally. That is if that empty zone doesn't get crowded later on.

[Vanas]

Vanas, that's about what I had in mind, yeah. I was thinking to put you a little further out- also, I wasn't making allowances for the presence of that big blob of shoals getting in the way of everything, although I can work with it. It sounds like Rabid's still thinking about where he really wants to go, though.

Feel free to shuffle it around a bit, it's not as if Bees have a huge area to cover.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

*coughs* On map related notes. If things stand as they are, I am looking at being in the middle of the currently blank spot in right in the middle of the League, The Chams, the BEES and Shinn.

I will be right in the middle of everyone, but not actually "Next" to anyone, sort of in the middle of nowhere, which is kind of what I wanted orginally. That is if that empty zone doesn't get crowded later on.

Considering that Akhlut also wants to move into that area (assuming he still wants to be positioned between the Holy Empire and the Kryptonians), that empty space may be getting a bit crowded. Both your nation and the Grays are still relatively compact (Grays only have four sectors according to the nation description thread, while you have...two?), however, so there should still be some room for you. We could always move the Chamarrans and Hellenes down if more empty space is required there.

[Crossroads Inc.]

Nothing is set in stone at this point, so it coulld be feasible to keep everyone in the same "Spot" but move everyone farther apart from each other to allow that central empty space to be more... Spacious.

That could work right?

[Simon_Jester]

Crossroads, I don't understand what you're suggesting.


If Crossroads' micronation were that close to the Grays, it's hard to explain why they haven't been assimilated by the Grays, who would have been merrily probing Crossroads' dudes for the past several thousand years just like they did to humans. You'd have to work that out with Akhlut.

I know you want to be near the heart of things, but let's prioritize placing old macronations (like the Grays) before young micronations (like Crossroadia), okay?

Also, hm. The Grays, Kryptonians, and Bastians were the three partners in the prehuman cold war, right? It might make more sense to locate the Grays up around P-8, imagining them as three corners of a triangle.

(Side note to Akhlut: I made the Dominion Confederate gray on the map. This can be changed at Lonestar's request, or if I think of a more appropriate color. It's not like there weren't multiple nations of nearly the same color on the SDNW4 map)