SiegeTank wrote:Well it's not like Japanistan has fleets of patrol subs and constellations of radar satellites to detect my every move... Although I'm sure they'll draw their conclusions, in fact I'm kind of hoping they will because the game could use some excitement at this stage. They we get into the interesting position where we know they were arming pirates but they won't admit it, whereas they know we bombed them but we won't admit it.
Can you conclusivly prove that, given you fired off a Tomahawk and left the area?
They, on the other hand, could make a pretty convincing case it's either you or Baerne.
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I've been thinking about a response, and getting a lot of good feedback via PM. Siege admits that part of what he's looking for is a bit of action to stir the pot, so I'm going to assume that means he doesn't mind some investiagion going on and having Japanistan narrow the field of suspects fairly quickly.
I'm just trying to come up with some more good potential permutations of moustache-twirling evil to twist this with....
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I personally like the fact that we are messing with Japanistan. To be honest I think we need it, the game has slowed down quite a bit. There's nothing happening.
Except for Lonestars GLA Sirnoth story and the pirates thing.
I would hate to see the game die, due to lack of activity. We need to spice things up, start a war or two, or something...
Isn't it just as likely that Japanistan might become paranoid that they have a security leak and their piracy ops were compromised, causing them to begin an intensive internal security sweep and strengthening the hands of those who think that supporting piracy, or even the entire concept of poking at the rest of the world, is a high-risk/low-reward mistake that Japanistan cannot afford.
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Steve wrote:Isn't it just as likely that Japanistan might become paranoid that they have a security leak and their piracy ops were compromised, causing them to begin an intensive internal security sweep and strengthening the hands of those who think that supporting piracy, or even the entire concept of poking at the rest of the world, is a high-risk/low-reward mistake that Japanistan cannot afford.
They could, but they do have a golden PM opportunity here. Somebody blew up a meterological station. Since Siege had his sub scoot away, he can't prove they were supporting piracy. Japanistan, on the other hand, can easily prove it was blown up by a cruise missile. And even if Siege tried to produce any evidence (photos from the periscope), it would:
A) not be conclusive (so what if there's a freighter with speedboats? How else are you going to supply that island with no dock facilities?) and
B) pretty much be an admission he was the one that did it.
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Stas Bush wrote:Wilkens wins this year's dickery award.
*shrug* If Japanistan so much as sneezes, I will level it with nukes.
In fact, I should make an eventual post about special artillery regiments having battlefield nukes because I planned to keep nuking any fucking army that so much as swims or walks into Arabia.
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Oh, I'm certain Japanistan won't declare war over such an incident (who wants to be nuked?), but it will certainly dick around more and more in Frequesue since that pissed them off.
Well, it's not like they didn't already plan to dick around there, so...
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Stas Bush wrote:Wilkens wins this year's dickery award.
Yeah but who is going to know about it My guys were running quiet and didn't make any transient sounds, the ESG would have arrived well after SSK scooted, and the Japanistani's don't know where the IRT got the info from. A person who doesn't know the degree to which Wilkonia and the IRT co-operated in the Caymans would be convinced by the general antipathy that is public means the IRT stole the data from Wilkonia and got the guy out on their own.
As an aside about the sub being there in the first place I established a couple weeks ago that I run constant ESG and CVBG patrols through that region so I figured I wouldn't have to mention that my SUBRONs go there as well to help clear the area. Since I'm operating exclusively with a nuke fleet that has seen mroe combat action than the rest of the world's combined its much more likely they would be tracking oddly vectored SSKs than said SSK being in place to observe a covert military installation after getting reports from long range recon craft.
Stas Bush wrote:Oh, I'm certain Japanistan won't declare war over such an incident (who wants to be nuked?), but it will certainly dick around more and more in Frequesue since that pissed them off.
Well, it's not like they didn't already plan to dick around there, so...
Which is the other side of the coin. Japanistan dicking around is such a natural assumption that it would be REALLY hard (read: an IC post about discovering Wilkonian sources would be implausible at best) to get folks to dig deeper. What it will do is help stir some shit and give Wilkonian Intel guys the chance to better evaluate their CATO intel sourcing since the agents and sources we had in place gave us no warning about the NFT deal and so its time to rock the boat and shuffle our deck chairs.
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Stas Bush wrote:Wilkens wins this year's dickery award.
*shrug* If Japanistan so much as sneezes, I will level it with nukes.
Thereby sanctioning the NFT's unprovoked and aggressive attack on a meterological station? Good to know.
Not saying Japanistan is going to up and declare war, but if they did and CATO nukes the shit out of them, that's how it'll play out. Because you can't prove dick about any support of pirates.
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This is the price of war,
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The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
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RogueIce wrote:Thereby sanctioning the NFT's unprovoked and aggressive attack on a meterological station? Good to know.
Not saying Japanistan is going to up and declare war, but if they did and CATO nukes the shit out of them, that's how it'll play out. Because you can't prove dick about any support of pirates.
Of course not.
But if Japanistan insists on actually attacking CATO, I will be ready to load up all the bombers with nukes.
As for the pirates, *shrug*. I am not going to do anything but sit back and watch. Of course, now that CATO act only if it is indeed an overt act of war, or to mass build ups on the border in Egypt.
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RogueIce wrote:Thereby sanctioning the NFT's unprovoked and aggressive attack on a meterological station? Good to know.
Not saying Japanistan is going to up and declare war, but if they did and CATO nukes the shit out of them, that's how it'll play out. Because you can't prove dick about any support of pirates.
Of course not.
But if Japanistan insists on actually attacking CATO, I will be ready to load up all the bombers with nukes.
If they're going to attack anybody, it would be by going public with this cassus belli Siege set up and Wilkens handed them, and then saying their beef is with the NFT only for this act of blatent agression (fill in propoganda here) whilethey'll also stress their beef is not with CATO as a whole. And unless CATO makes it a policy to back up members in aggressive wars (which is pretty much what the NFT would have started, and Japanistan would make sure to stress that over and over) it would be Japanistan vs NFT, not Japanistan vs CATO.
Japanistan may be paranoid, but they're not suicidal.
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And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
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The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
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RogueIce wrote:Can you conclusivly prove that, given you fired off a Tomahawk and left the area?
The NFCG is going to round up the mothership as soon as it heads back to Frequesue, so even if it's not conclusive proof it's at least pretty damning--after all, what meteorological station gets its supplies from a pirate ships full of smuggled weapons?
Coyote wrote:Siege admits that part of what he's looking for is a bit of action to stir the pot, so I'm going to assume that means he doesn't mind some investiagion going on and having Japanistan narrow the field of suspects fairly quickly.
Obviously I was always going to be the main suspect, but the fact of the matter is that at this point I really don't care much what Japanistan thinks of us. They've been dicking about in my back yard far too long, if they want to take offense they're more than welcome to. We know what they were doing and that's good enough for us. If they want to start a ruckus over this incident, I say let them. The recent rumble with Tian Xia has brough about quite the change in NFT policy. The time of pussy-footing around is over: we're now in the business of doing whatever it takes to defend our interests.
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RogueIce wrote:Can you conclusivly prove that, given you fired off a Tomahawk and left the area?
The NFCG is going to round up the mothership as soon as it heads back to Frequesue, so even if it's not conclusive proof it's at least pretty damning--after all, what meteorological station gets its supplies from a pirate ships full of smuggled weapons?
You mean the alleged pirates of which Japanistan has no prior knowledge of any supposed piracy/weapons smuggling/whatever activities (not proven in a court of law) and who were simply there to trade supplies and material with the peaceful Japanistani meterological outpost?
They can spin that all sorts of ways. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility that, even if they do engage in piracy "from time to time" they could still be 'honest' traders at other times. And of course Japanistan had no knowledge of any alleged piracy committed by this particular freighter and even if such allegations were true, Japanistan was not supporting them with any weapons or similar war material. And so on...
On the other hand, there is little doubt that the station was hit by a cruise missile, and with the evidence Wilkens provided it seems quite reasonable it was you who did it.
It's a PR battle, though at the moment they sort of have the upper hand.
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This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
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And then I'll toss out the footage of boxes being loaded onto the speedboats, speedboats transferring them to the freighter, and those boxes upon confiscation turning out to have been filled with contraband weapons. At the end of the day they can spin their version of the story whichever way they want, they're Japanistan, a widely distrusted pariah nation, so who's honestly going to believe them over us?
SiegeTank wrote:And then I'll toss out the footage of boxes being loaded onto the speedboats, speedboats transferring them to the freighter, and those boxes upon confiscation turning out to have been filled with contraband weapons. At the end of the day they can spin their version of the story whichever way they want, they're Japanistan, a widely distrusted pariah nation, so who's honestly going to believe them over us?
Those weapons were already there. The boxes you see being loaded are filled with food/medicines/whatever (of which the ship will have anyway) and is it Japanistan's fault these alleged pirates replaced the contents of food/medicine crates with weapons in order to smuggle them? Alternatively, you planted them. Or something along those lines.
As for who will believe them? You might be surprised. They sold Zoria that Dragonsnake Basin territory, they were receptive to the diplomatic overtures Byzantium made (even agreeing to exchange military officers and students) as well as working via diplomacy with Indhopal. So they can certainly make the case that they have been trying to change their ways since the destruction of Shepistan.
And then there will be those like the IRT, as well as any anti-CATO bloggers/journalists/politicians who would probably back 'em anyway for their own political ends, even if it's just to make CATO look bad.
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This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
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You'll have to forgive me for not being overly concerned for the opinions of bloggers . Anyway, the point is that at this stage the NFT really doesn't care for the ramifications. We're not going to stand by and let people fuck around in our back yard any longer. There's been quite enough of that so if we're going to have to blow shit up and take a PR hit for it to stop any further infringement upon our interests, then so be it. The message being that if we know you're messing with us you can fully expect some sort of retaliation, no matter how good your cover story.
SiegeTank wrote:You'll have to forgive me for not being overly concerned for the opinions of bloggers . Anyway, the point is that at this stage the NFT really doesn't care for the ramifications. We're not going to stand by and let people fuck around in our back yard any longer. There's been quite enough of that so if we're going to have to blow shit up and take a PR hit for it to stop any further infringement upon our interests, then so be it. The message being that if we know you're messing with us you can fully expect some sort of retaliation, no matter how good your cover story.
That's up to you.
Though if that's going to be your stated foreign policy, I so want to find a person who can draw some little cartoon NFT hiding behind Big Mommy CATO's skirts. Because you can bet that'll be some spin you'd see.
"The NFT's suddenly more belligerent foreign policy coming out after they join a mega alliance? Coincidence? We think not!"
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This is the price of war,
We rise with noble intentions,
And we risk all that is pure..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, Forever (Rome: Total War)
"On and on, through the years,
The war continues on..." - Angela & Jeff van Dyck, We Are All One (Medieval 2: Total War)
"Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear." - Ambrose Redmoon
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
I don't think exchanging elementary students is a good idea, from a language perspective as well as other ones. You can't expect a Miratian-speaking ten-year-old to understand whatever San Dorado speaks well enough to learn.
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453.6 Graham Crackers = 1 Pound Cake
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Master_Baerne wrote:I don't think exchanging elementary students is a good idea, from a language perspective as well as other ones. You can't expect a Miratian-speaking ten-year-old to understand whatever San Dorado speaks well enough to learn.
RogueIce wrote:Though if that's going to be your stated foreign policy, I so want to find a person who can draw some little cartoon NFT hiding behind Big Mommy CATO's skirts. Because you can bet that'll be some spin you'd see.
Like I said, we're past the point where we still care about spin. Our confidence in the non-Frequesue, non-CATO world has recently suffered a pretty big goddamn dent, so we honestly couldn't care less about cartoons in foreign newspapers.
Miratia wrote:Hey, Siege, want to set up a student exchange program between our countries? Elementary to high-school level, perhaps?
Um, hello? A "meteorological station" far from any region where Japanistan has territorial holdings on unmarked sandspit islands close to Frequesue which is suffering a sudden spike in piracy activity? This isn't exactly friggin' Somalia, I expect much of the world would believe that the Japanistanis were Up To Something.
I don't think people will readily forget Japanistan's brutal invasion of al-Akharabat, their defiant support of Astaria after the Star of Sweethaven incident brought Astaria's slave trade into the global spotlight, the fact that one of their own officers got dozens of Zorian nationals butchered by irate tribesmen when Japanistan was handing over their East Velerian post to Zoria, backing Shepistan on a lot of different things, and general misbehavors. It's not going to be a stretch for people to figure the Japanistanis were up to something.
Frankly why would Japanistan even back piracy in far off Frequesue? If they do it in South Veleria it's in a region they can conceivably get involved in and expand their sphere of influence. In Frequesue it offers no such benefits while having the attendant risks of discovery, especially with everyone starting to put satellites up and the potential for spy sats. This entire thing reeks of making Japanistan engage in global dickery for the sake of being dicks. Of being the "bad guys".
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