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SiegeTank wrote:
Oh, okay. That kind of makes sense, assuming that they found a Sheppo weapons lab that Mess forces somehow missed or something.

They found a small survivor settlement, infected the inhabitants to get a lot of infected blood quick, and took off.
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So...I figured it's about time we took a step towards transhumanism :D
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Hey PeZook, did you ever pick a bomber?
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PeZook wrote:So...I figured it's about time we took a step towards transhumanism :D
You do that, in the meantime I'm going to continue to work towards bascially Constellation Project 2.0 now with more people to the Moon and faster. Considering a Delta II - Heavy should put 5 tonnes into TLI I'm going to start swinging some extra probes that way to prep for the first manned missions to circle the moon. Those will all be Delta IV missions to give everyone the chance to practice a couple times then a few Ares missions to practice docking and TLI burn then the 3rd Constellation Mission should be lunar landing.
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CmdrWilkens wrote: You do that, in the meantime I'm going to continue to work towards bascially Constellation Project 2.0 now with more people to the Moon and faster. Considering a Delta II - Heavy should put 5 tonnes into TLI I'm going to start swinging some extra probes that way to prep for the first manned missions to circle the moon. Those will all be Delta IV missions to give everyone the chance to practice a couple times then a few Ares missions to practice docking and TLI burn then the 3rd Constellation Mission should be lunar landing.
What? Nobody said anything about aborting the moon program...

In fact, we'll reschedule Soyuz a bit.

And...no lunar lander tests? No EVA practice? Wha...? :)

EVA and stack maneuvering was actually one of the hardest things to get right on Apollo, there's no way FASTA is skipping it, since that's asking for a horrible accident somewhere during a lunar mission.

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PeZook wrote:
CmdrWilkens wrote: You do that, in the meantime I'm going to continue to work towards bascially Constellation Project 2.0 now with more people to the Moon and faster. Considering a Delta II - Heavy should put 5 tonnes into TLI I'm going to start swinging some extra probes that way to prep for the first manned missions to circle the moon. Those will all be Delta IV missions to give everyone the chance to practice a couple times then a few Ares missions to practice docking and TLI burn then the 3rd Constellation Mission should be lunar landing.
What? Nobody said anything about aborting the moon program...

In fact, we'll reschedule Soyuz a bit.

And...no lunar lander tests? No EVA practice? Wha...? :)

EVA and stack maneuvering was actually one of the hardest things to get right on Apollo, there's no way FASTA is skipping it, since that's asking for a horrible accident somewhere during a lunar mission.
The practice missions (EVA, dock, undock, redock, etc) will all be Delta IV missions then two missions with the Ares using the same hardware but in Lunar Orbit before the landing. In other words the Delta IV Super Heavy (7 CBC) configuration that I will have around the tail end of 2015 or early 2016 can put a payload the size of the command module/LEM into LEO. At that point I can spend about 4 years testing all of the hardware in LEO before throwing Ares missions into TLI to get everyone practice with that and then landing shortly there after. In other words the issue isn't getting the hardware up there to practice with but rather getting something strong enough to put everything into TLI which would be in the 2020-2022 range. The thing is I'm going with a Constellation-program style of 4-6 crew members. If I dropped the required weight down to allow for only 3 then a Delta IV Super Heavy with the planned RS-800 could get me to the moon by 2019.

The program now allows for a mid-weight launcher, a heavy commercial launcher, and a super heavy lunar/mars launcher to be int he inventory. It also means, as a development track, that I can get all of the service components up to test them well before the rocket designed to carry them is ready. Figure that the X-plane program is already getting a cadre of piltos used to space by time the MSA has a full out program in palce we can start literally cycling astronauts through at a huge rate because the X-planes will keep being upgarded as they have huge potential for LEO transfer flights and sub-orbital commercial traffic. Thus we start them on the X-series, launch them up in a Delta IV to play in LEO (which will keep happening even after Apollo kicks off) and only give them the greenlight to move on to the Ares if they can handle the previous two.

FASTA has a lot of support in terms of agencies committed but with only one manned program running at a time you have a backlog of folks who need to get experience whereas the MSA has almost a glut of manned launches coming up in another few years which will enable us to have a huge number of trained and experienced fliers able to both refine the process AND teach the young'uns.
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We'll actually be running two manned programs (Soyuz and Selene) and a space station program for the exact same reason.
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PeZook wrote:We'll actually be running two manned programs (Soyuz and Selene) and a space station program for the exact same reason.
I think, and I may be forgetting some of the OD or Canissia projects that the current MSA schedule includes:

1) LEO Manned Delta IV series (name TBD)
2) Ares Lunar Missions (name TBD)
3) X-plane Shuttle-type Missions
4) MESS Space Station (name TBD)
5) Moon-MSS Relay Missions

So while we currently only have the X-plane missions up and running by around 2020 all 5 of these should be in service. Based on a combined GDP in excess of 25 trillion it should be pretty affordable to be permanently ensconed on the moon by 2030.
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Um, Zor? A) It's pretty damned low to not just dismiss the UC lawsuit but impose a huge fine on them, and it's just going to make your courts look blatantly unfair and biased. B) As established in prior posts, Rangatara doesn't need Zorian weapons. They buy Tonkinese. The only thing they've even cooperated with Zoria on is dealing with weapons smuggling.
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And Zor, I completely ignored your remarks on arming Rangatara because, honestly, it didn't happen. Rangatara doesn't need Zorian arms, it's already been established as a Tonkinese sphere of influence and likely gets most of its arms from them, and the margins from Shinra or Cascadia or, granted, perhaps you, though you never stated your interest in Veleria before you decided you were founding Port Adria.
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Steve wrote:Um, Zor? A) It's pretty damned low to not just dismiss the UC lawsuit but impose a huge fine on them, and it's just going to make your courts look blatantly unfair and biased. B) As established in prior posts, Rangatara doesn't need Zorian weapons. They buy Tonkinese. The only thing they've even cooperated with Zoria on is dealing with weapons smuggling.
Not to mention, it might be ground to impose economic sanctions on Zorian goods...

Which reminds me, I ought to indulge in religious play which I haven't played with for a while...
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Steve wrote:It's pretty damned low to not just dismiss the UC lawsuit but impose a huge fine on them, and it's just going to make your courts look blatantly unfair and biased.
Wait, did he actually do that? Did I miss something? Because that'll spark a major shit-storm once it breaks. Not only will Universal Construction appeal such a ridiculous ruling, I could easily see it flat out refusing to pay any such fine.
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SiegeTank wrote:
Steve wrote:It's pretty damned low to not just dismiss the UC lawsuit but impose a huge fine on them, and it's just going to make your courts look blatantly unfair and biased.
Wait, did he actually do that? Did I miss something? Because that'll spark a major shit-storm once it breaks. Not only will Universal Construction appeal such a ridiculous ruling, I could easily see it flat out refusing to pay any such fine.
Yes. Go read Zor's latest post. $75000 Zorian currency no less.
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I have read his latest post. Unless I'm going selectively blind it's not in there. There is a note about an edit at the end though.
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SiegeTank wrote:I have read his latest post. Unless I'm going selectively blind it's not in there. There is a note about an edit at the end though.
Yeah, looks like he edited it.
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Actually, it was $750,000, not $75,000, that his courts fined Universal Construction.

But apparently he removed it upon seeing that he was going to get a bitchslapping over it.
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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Steve wrote:Um, Zor? A) It's pretty damned low to not just dismiss the UC lawsuit but impose a huge fine on them, and it's just going to make your courts look blatantly unfair and biased. B) As established in prior posts, Rangatara doesn't need Zorian weapons. They buy Tonkinese. The only thing they've even cooperated with Zoria on is dealing with weapons smuggling.
Not to mention, it might be ground to impose economic sanctions on Zorian goods...

Which reminds me, I ought to indulge in religious play which I haven't played with for a while...
Myself, I was a little miffed that I never got a response to my ambassador expressing concerns over the Rangataran/East Velarian situation. But them maybe my setup was a little too subtle and easily missed.

So I made it a bit more obvious this time...
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Suffice it to say, Lonestar, that I haven't the foggiest where you're going with this plot. We don't know anything about it, we'll disavow any knowledge of it, and whoever that guy is you arrested, he may very well not be who you say he is.
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SiegeTank wrote:Diplomatic Communique, Priority Two

Sirs,

What you describe is a very serious matter and we will do everything in our power to assist you. Unfortunately, concerning your inquiry into the actions of what you deemed a ‘contractor’ for the ‘San Dorado Intelligence Service’, I have to inform you that no such agency of that name exists.

A Don Kruze has in the past been affiliated as a low-level operative with the External Intelligence Agency, but he has not been with the EIA since July 2009. Moreover, we have taken him into custody early this morning in his condominium in Port Regal. Whoever it is you have arrested on your soil, you must be mistaken in his identity.

We also have no further information concerning the EAS virus apart from what is already available to you through BIOCOM. San Dorado is not involved in the creation, cultivation or dissemination of the virus. We have no knowledge of any illicit activity in the Old Dominion involving San Doradan citizens. We also have no knowledge of a Mr. Al-Madei. He may be one of many Shepistanis who have emigrated to San Dorado in the past, but we have no information concerning his whereabouts.

Regarding the recent infection in the Sprawl, our current working hypothesis is, was and remains that looters of Astarian assets have inavertedly brought the virus to San Dorado. BIOCON would appear to agree that this is the most likely cause of the infection in San Dorado.

It is unfortunate that we cannot be of more assistance to your inquiries. If you have any further information or questions regarding this matter, let us know.

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*sighs* Well, you're getting better I suppose. You still need to fire some proof-readers, though.

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RogueIce wrote: *sighs* Well, you're getting better I suppose. You still need to fire some proof-readers, though.

:P
Well to be fair:
Lonestar wrote:"BIOCOMM claims that they've found no evidence of an active BW program." Lonestar pointed out. Blitzschlag snorted, but didn't speak out. Work on the SNYDER project continued, and BIOCOMM had yet to find and shut it down. Of course, part of the reason was because the OD had waved some of it's HERV findings to the public, but there were facilities that remained buried in the deep places of the earth...

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Figured I would add in here that BIOCOM is not making any findings yet and I'm not going to unearth secret BW labs or programs without first communicating with folks via PM. That goes for this and any future incidents.
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Hi. Steve wants me to rejoin, though given that it's been 4-5 game years since I last was in, I have to think for awhile what to insert in if ya'll will have me back.

However, I had a major thermonuclear weapons program going until I sort of abandoned the game, with a projected timeline of 32 months until my first test shot (mirroring the Chinese program). I also had some pretty big plans for my Dyna-Soar.
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phongn wrote:Hi. Steve wants me to rejoin, though given that it's been 4-5 game years since I last was in, I have to think for awhile what to insert in if ya'll will have me back.

However, I had a major thermonuclear weapons program going until I sort of abandoned the game, with a projected timeline of 32 months until my first test shot (mirroring the Chinese program). I also had some pretty big plans for my Dyna-Soar.
I think the biggest thing is that it would be hard to ret-con anything related to the existing space programs. So even though the IRT was, IIRC, rather opposed to overflight provisions I don't think ret-conning in a shoot down or attempted shoot down would work. Outside of that I don't think there woudl be too much that I would automatically say would be off limits (and in fact I've rather tried to act as if the IRT is still there as for example the Caymans incident is partially about maintaining commercial ties to the IRT since direct comemrce would still be sketchy).
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Some "Sultan"? That's the Caliph of the Islamic world, the sworn defender of the faith. He calls for Jihad, all Muslims must follow. :P
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Damn, Fingolfin is good at this!

BTW, Siege, Soyuz 5 will be piloted by Gus Grissom of San Dorado, whose flight engineer will be a dirty commie from the USSR. Where did you get that Byzantine guy from? :)
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PeZook wrote:Damn, Fingolfin is good at this!
Me thinks I ought to finally get around to write up the Syrian OOB. :P
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