SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Norade]

I've skimmed the thread and looked at the map and it looks like Norway, Sweden and Denmark would make a nice swath of land to lay claim to; that is assuming that it is still free and unclaimed.

Points Distribution
Population: 2
-50 Million, the cold climate helps to keep numbers fairly limited for the land area
Territory: 4
-816km^3 of open space to roam in, if on can find a way to roam to it first
Colonies: 0
-None, though Iceland was tempting
Industry: 4
-The country has been working to modernize realizing that with little agricultural land they need industry to compete on the world stage
Economy: 5
-The Swiss best watch out
Infrastructure: 3
-The terrain makes it hard to get around easily, but there are highways forming and people are starting to switch from cars to horses and trains
Standing Military Limit: 4
-An automatic draft at age 16 and service to 20 mean the nation has a large standing military for its population base
Naval Focus: 5
-Being nearly entirely surrounded by the sea the nations leaders are pouring funds into the Navy at breakneck speed
Army Focus: 2
-Most people would rather fight from a boat than on land
Air Focus: 1
-Those airplane things are much to small, Zeppelins are the battleships of the air!

[Thanas]

^claimed on the last page by someone else. In Europe, Spain and Portugal are still free.

[Steve]

^claimed on the last page by someone else. In Europe, Spain and Portugal are still free.

Portugal is. new player claimed Spain as well.

[Thanas]

Ooh. Interesting. Well, I hope he posts soon, I have some suggestions for him.

[Steve]

The three Guineas seem fairly unclaimed and OTL they were all colonies, I'd rather like having some colonial territories next to my Socialist Republic It'd give the Peoples Committee for the Control of Information something to do.

Dutch player claimed Suriname. I think Bean may have claimed British Guyana. That leaves French Guyana. Baerne?

Anyway, you can negotiate with them directly.

[Steve]

Ooh. Interesting. Well, I hope he posts soon, I have some suggestions for him.

Minister of Pigeonry claimed Spain. Last page, lower posts.

[Thanas]

King Gustav I of The Tre Kronor hereby claims his birthright before God and His sight! May He bless the protector of the unified realms of Denmark and Sweden and their historic possessions!

Welcome. Let us hope that despite past differences, the German Empire and the kingdom of Denmark/Sweden can peacefully coexist. As a sign of goodwill, I am offering passage through the Kaiser-Wilhelm Kanal.

[Norseman]

As for my history if anyone is interested I'm planning to claim that the Miguelites won out in Portugal forcing an exodus of liberal Portuguese to Brazil. This shifts the balance of power heavily in favour of the liberals in Brazil, which leads to a Brazilian civil war 1840-1842, after which the liberals (part in order to appeal to Britain) begin a program of compensated emancipation. After 1848 and the crushing of the Year of Revolutions there's another flow of liberal refugees to Brazil, however the forces of reaction (backed heavily by Holy Alliance funds) rise up again triggering another Civil War lasting from 1851-1855. During this civil war Brazil is forced to call for British aid, which is only given on terms of abolishing slavery and, more importantly, allowing concessions to Britain.

The combination of the abolition of slavery and the opening up to international trade routes forces Brazil to import immigrants in order to satisfy her labour needs. These immigrants are mainly European, but in many cases quite a few Chinese are brought in as well. Under British tutelage the railway system is expanded and the interior of the nation is opened up, however the lack of a tariff makes early industrialization harder. Despite that Brazil does industrialise in those fields where her interests are most at stake, meaning shipping, the processing of sugar, lumber yards, even papermills.

In 1886 the monarchy is finally overthrown and replaced by a Libertarian Republic, sort of, they are at any rate very business friendly and upset about how the Emperor was planning to grant certain rights to the labourers. This regime's plan is to utterly liberalize the economy and remove all vestiges of government control, thereby ushering in a new era of liberty for all! Any mutterings about Revolution are ignored, after all what are they going to rebell against? Freedom?

The Communist uprising happened as late as 1898, leading to the Third Brazilian Civil War AKA The Revolutionary War, which ended in 1904 with a Socialist victory. During the war most of the Brazilian navy supported the Revolutionaries, which resulted in it being sunk by various forces that tried to aid the Republicans (AKA Libertarians). The war was a fairly messy thing, where the Revolutionaries won by luring the enemy further and further into Brazil, forcing them to spread out to cover more and more soil, before cutting off supplies and launching counter-offensives (think the end of the Chinese Civil War).

Since 1904 the Federal Socialist Republic of Brazil has been something of a hermit state, few people are quite sure what goes on in there.

[Norade]

Hmm, then South America it is then, I'll have to join in at the start next time and get somewhere good.

Do we have a Brazil?

[Steve]

Hmm, then South America it is then, I'll have to join in at the start next time and get somewhere good.

Do we have a Brazil?

Yes, yes we do.

There's Siam. And with all the Far Eastern countries industrializing ahistorically you could easily justify Siam doing so as well. Alternatively talk to Bean about Australia or New Zealand.

[Steve]

If nobody claims Portugal I'm thinking of encouraging the Spanish player to have an ATL where the two Iberian kingdoms merged, maybe as a result of the fall of the Portuguese kingdom in the 1910s.

[Norade]

Hmm, somebody really needs to keep that map up to date so I can see what I want to be. XD

Though I'll put in a claim on Portugal.

[Steve]

Hmm, somebody really needs to keep that map up to date so I can see what I want to be. XD

Though I'll put in a provisional claim on Portugal assuming that it is free for me to claim.

I uploaded a new copy tonight. Will update again in a bit.

[Norade]

Thanas, you're lucky I didn't get my original wish. I could have made so much money taxing trade coming from Germany and Russia if I held Sweden and Denmark and had my navy control the gap.

[Thanas]

Thanas, you're lucky I didn't get my original wish. I could have made so much money taxing trade coming from Germany and Russia if I held Sweden and Denmark and had my navy control the gap.

Doubtful. There is this thing called the Kaiser Wilhelm or Kiel Kanal.

[Norade]

Thanas, you're lucky I didn't get my original wish. I could have made so much money taxing trade coming from Germany and Russia if I held Sweden and Denmark and had my navy control the gap.

Doubtful. There is this thing called the Kaiser Wilhelm or Kiel Kanal.

I shall have to develop interdictors then shan't I?

[Dark Hellion]

Hello. I am interested in joining in this if it isn't too late.

I would like to play as Angola w/ Namibia as a colonial conquest. I will have to hash some of this out with Norade first, so I may be back.

[K. A. Pital]

I am interested in joining in this if it isn't too late.

Too late? it's not even started...

[Steve]

Hello. I am interested in joining in this if it isn't too late.

I would like to play as Angola w/ Namibia as a colonial conquest. I will have to hash some of this out with Norade first, so I may be back.

A) South Africa claimed Namibia.

B) Why does everyone want freakin' Namibia anyway? Only Mongolia is more sparsely populated....

[Norseman]

Hello. I am interested in joining in this if it isn't too late.

I would like to play as Angola w/ Namibia as a colonial conquest. I will have to hash some of this out with Norade first, so I may be back.

A) South Africa claimed Namibia.

B) Why does everyone want freakin' Namibia anyway? Only Mongolia is more sparsely populated....

I did think of taking Mongolia under the Ungern-Sternberg dynasty! A state with 25 million people of which a full million is in the miltiary, massive Army Focus of course. I'd probably end up with points to spare though.

[Dark Hellion]

She has huge... tracts of land. And diamonds. It is a huge amount of unexploited natural resources in a place with no one really guarding it.

And I missed South Africa claiming it (its a big thread, I tried to read it all, but I am fuzzy on some of the holdings [could we perhaps add a key to tell me who which color belongs to?]) so I guess I will look for new holdings to play pretend European power. If Norade is ok with my proposal for the state history I think I am going to try to play Poseur European African nation. Being sort of an "enlightened Banana Republic" were it is clear that the mindset is artificially European because of numerous European investors teaching the Angolans how to run the now nationalized natural resources and teaching the basics of modern European political thought. The profits go to Europeanizing aspects of the nation instead of more realistic modernization and the risk is socialized through the tax base (which is tiny). Long on resources to trade for European contrivance and short on actual plans to avoid unrest unless a strong European Ally (wink wink any takers) gives advice, mentorship and receives generous trade negotiations.

[Norseman]

Brazil is only too eager to aid and advice fledling Socialist Republics wherever they might appear, in order to spread the Revolution and thus promote international fraternity. Maybe somethign like an early Comecon might be in order?

BTW how many people are running states that are outright socialist (not necessarily Communist mind) or sufficiently left-wing Social-Democratic ones (I think I will have to talk to Stas about how left wing you need to be though).

[TimothyC]

She has huge... tracts of land. And diamonds. It is a huge amount of unexploited natural resources in a place with no one really guarding it.

Yep, that's why she's mine. I also exert a strong (near colonial - because I used the points) over the southern half of Angola and the southern 2/3rds of Northern Rhodesia.

[Ryan Thunder]

Oh, Thanas, would it be at all unreasonable for Gran Columbia to have an unusually large population of native Americans?

I just want them to be a significant functional demographic as opposed to a dysfunctional footnote...

[Ryan Thunder]

Brazil is only too eager to aid and advice fledling Socialist Republics wherever they might appear, in order to spread the Revolution and thus promote international fraternity. Maybe somethign like an early Comecon might be in order?

BTW how many people are running states that are outright socialist (not necessarily Communist mind) or sufficiently left-wing Social-Democratic ones (I think I will have to talk to Stas about how left wing you need to be though).

Gran-Columbia is definitely socialist.