SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-04 12:20am

The following now sails to Frequesque at 30 kph (16 knots). In two weeks time - ie next real day - it will be there.

Since the PRSF no longer has a Navy, and the junta is barely capable of controlling it's airforce as well, this force has nothing to fear from the PRSF, and it's size is technically more than the PRSF's entire professional force (- 8000 men).

While we're at it, I have informed no one officially about this expedition, so you can only rely on satellite photography (if you have any) or aerial recon.

The force is accompanied by 3 Tu-142M3 (Bear-F) armed with "Yakhont" missiles, which are conducting aerial recon along the way.

This battlegroup was assembled from the Northern Fleet (NFBG-1) - the Eastern Fleet Battlegroup (EFBG-1) is now around 1000 miles off Frequesque and will possibly return to the area.

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-04 01:03am

Hooooooly shit.

Say, when could you give us a Western force-chart thing? I'd love to put together images like these for my own stuff.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-09-04 01:13am

Shep is TEH CRAZY

Czechmate · Post by **Czechmate** » 2008-09-04 01:15am

MKSheppard wrote:Shep is TEH CRAZY

No has ever debated this. Ever.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2008-09-04 01:23am

That is too many BTRs Vohu, just ten would be fine.

Zor

Vohu Manah · Post by **Vohu Manah** » 2008-09-04 01:29am

Zor wrote:That is too many BTRs Vohu, just ten would be fine.

Zor

You specified you have a cohort (about 640 soldiers) on site. The stated number of vehicles being sent would be sufficient to carry them and a small number of researchers. In addition the majority will probably be used to support the camp directly as well as provide extras in case of loss or downtime for repair.

If you still request it I'll edit the post to reduce the number to 1 battalion.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2008-09-04 01:47am

Vohu Manah wrote:
Zor wrote:That is too many BTRs Vohu, just ten would be fine.

Zor
You specified you have a cohort (about 640 soldiers) on site. The stated number of vehicles being sent would be sufficient to carry them and a small number of researchers. In addition the majority will probably be used to support the camp directly as well as provide extras in case of loss or downtime for repair.

If you still request it I'll edit the post to reduce the number to 1 battalion.

Sixty vehicles is just fine.

Zor

Vohu Manah · Post by **Vohu Manah** » 2008-09-04 01:50am

Zor wrote:Sixty vehicles is just fine.

Zor

I'll make the edit.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-04 02:19am

Jesus, Shady...

Is NOD that incompetent? You had an intelligence officer staked out and instead of trailing him and trying to smoke out his source, you murder him? What good does that bring the FUN?

Now they will bring in somebody completely unknown to us to handle the operation, and all we know is that they stole the Buzzkill designs (which, BTW, is just an upgraded P-800

)

It would've been far, far better to let them have the plans, and use the guy to feed disinformation to Indophal. Hell, Shroomanians could've easily arrested him, since consuls don't actually have diplomatic immunity from criminal prosecution.

Not to mention, Baylor is gonna be pissed by NOD running an intel operation on Shroomanian soil, without consulting it with him first

TimothyC · Post by **TimothyC** » 2008-09-04 02:22am

So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2008-09-04 02:36am

Note that the Vinish cannot unlitaterally seize the Kilos and the Slava and Soveremenny--under international law they're just indefinitely interred. The aircraft, on the other hand, aren't covered in international law, so seize and integrate them to your heart's content, those people who got some.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-09-04 02:41am

Okay the following is the Japanistani tentative Procurement and R&D Budgeting for first game year, it does not include low rate production of various pieces of existing ammo and support equipment which falls under operations and maintenance, nor does it include the cost of foreign wars which is handled with special funding supplemental. In general the numbers do jive with the spending percentages outlaid in my OOB but its not exact; whatever, chalk that up to Japanistani disinformation. I will be revising this once I remember what I’ve forgotten.

Army
-Major Equipment Modernization: 7 billion per year for upgrading existing armored vehicles, helicopters and artillery systems
-300 x Type-99 MBT new production: 1.5 billion
-300 x ZBD97 IFV new production:1.2 billion
-300 x ZSL92 wheeled IFV new production: 900 million
-250 x utility armored 4x4: 250 million
- shit-ton of new and upgraded wheeled logistics vehicles: 4 billion
-12 x 2,000 ton sea truck-light new production: 600 million
- 4 x 15,000 ton sea truck-heavy new production: 800 million
-25 x JH-101 Air Duck helicopter new production: 750 million
-18 x JC-727 Goose Lifter STOL transport new production: 350 million
-250 x Iskander missiles: 375 million
-60 x Tor-M2 SAM systems: 1.7 billion
- 2 x additional raiding battalions, one with Very Special status, 450 million
-Ultra Heavy Weapons Mobility Fund: 250 million

-R&D for Massive Land Dominance Overmatch System (prepare for Abrams to shit itself): 1 billion
-R&D for Massive Saturation Bombardment System: 1 billion
-R&D for Massive Cluster Weapon: 250 million
-R&D for Massive Land Denial System: 100 million
-R&D for Advanced Tactical Radio Network: 750 million
-R&D Army Sea Truck: 100 million
-R&D for high capability radar surveillance UAV: 250 million
-R&D for Vertical Launch Anti Armor Weapon: 250 million
-R&D for Theater Strike System: 1 billion
-R&D for Advanced Emitter Locating System: 250 million

Air Force
-72 x JF-90 Violet Lighting fighter new production (Gen 4.5 fighter): 8 billion
-20 x JI-75 Demon Queller interceptor new production: 2 billion
-5 x JAEW-89 Fox Seer AEW new production: 1 billion
-10 x JB-89 White Chrysanthemum bomber new production: 2 billion
-50 x JF-70 to JF-71 standard upgrades: 750 million
-30 x JF-80 to JF-81 standard upgrades: 750 million
-300 x KS-172 ultra range BVRAAM new production: 350 million
-2000 x various short and medium range AAM new production: 800 million
-1000 x various modern air to ground stand off missiles new production: 1 billion
-5000 x various modern short range or unpowered air to ground guided weapons new production: 1 billion
-6 x S-300VM SAM batteries new production: 1.5 billion
-1000 x ground/air launched decoy drones: 350 million
- fleet wide jammer, including ground based, and RWR upgrades: 3 billion

-R&D for 701 interceptor: 2 billion (joint program also funded by Shepistan, IRT)
-R&D for ALBM adoption of Iskander: 500 million
-R&D for advanced ramjet ARM: 1 billion
-R&D for Brilliant Buzzard SAM Complex: 3 billion (joint program also funded by Shepistan)
-R&D for UAV-AEW bistatic capability: 500 million
-R&D for Aerostat Cruise Missile Defence Radar: 250 million
-R&D for Miniature Air/Ground Launched Missile Interceptor: 250 million
-R&D for ASAT capability: 1 billion

Navy
- 1 x NSSGN new production: 500 million for long lead items
- 2 x Akula III SSN new production: 4 billion
- 2 x Kilo SSK new production: 800 million
- 1 x Mod Anchar new production: 1.5 billion
- 1 x Jiangkai FFG new production: 500 million
- 250 x P-800 SSM/ASM new production: 500 million
- 4 x LASH barge carriers bought used: 200 million

-R&D for NSSGN: 2 billion
-R&D for multirole SSM: 1 billion
-R&D for Anchar AESA: 1 billion
-R&D for improved shipboard self defence systems: 1 billion
-R&D for new submarine stand off weapons and sensors: 1 billion
-R&D for evolved deep sea mine: 50 million

Joint Spending

- C4ISR upgrades and new construction: 3 billion
- Coastal Surveillance System: 1 billion

-R&D for nuclear capability: 6 billion
-R&D for space access capabilities: 6 billion
-R&D for Joint Low Cost Attack Missile: 500 million
-R&D for Advanced Binary Nerve Agents: 300 million
-R&D for Advanced Psychochemical Agents: 200 million
-R&D for new family of low-medium capability UAVs: 500 million

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-09-04 02:47am

MariusRoi wrote:So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

Japanistan might kick some funding towards it, so that it can learn all the secrets of the command and control system and thus order the satellites to simply turn themselves off in wartime… provided I can find room in the budget.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-04 03:47am

MariusRoi wrote:So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

Sure.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-04 03:59am

Stas Bush wrote:The following now sails to Frequesque at 30 kph (16 knots). In two weeks time - ie next real day - it will be there.

Great. Well, considering the way Beowulf manhandled the retreating PRSF military and then waved his dick Versailles-style, I'm thinking the CSR might be the lesser of two evils after all. Which is saying quite a bit.

I move the FTO switches to a containment policy concerning Westchester/Tian Jiao and the PRSF. Let Beowulf and Stas dick each other over to their heart's content; I'm not really willing to waste any more resources on this clusterfuck of a situation.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-09-04 04:25am

SiegeTank wrote:I move the FTO switches to a containment policy concerning Westchester/Tian Jiao and the PRSF. Let Beowulf and Stas dick each other over to their heart's content; I'm not really willing to waste any more resources on this clusterfuck of a situation.

Join be as a wholly-owned an independently run subsidiary!

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-04 04:30am

phongn wrote:
SiegeTank wrote:I move the FTO switches to a containment policy concerning Westchester/Tian Jiao and the PRSF. Let Beowulf and Stas dick each other over to their heart's content; I'm not really willing to waste any more resources on this clusterfuck of a situation.
Join be as a wholly-owned an independently run subsidiary!

That will surely screw FTO altogether, and reduce their usefulness to less than even a paper tiger.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-04 04:31am

phongn wrote:Join be as a wholly-owned an independently run subsidiary!

Hehe, well that goes a mite too far... I'm not going to bail out of the FTO, but a strategic alliance or a joint venture concerning key areas of mutual interest would certainly be an option as far as we're concerned.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-09-04 04:40am

Bombers
So far I've only listed armament for my Tu-160M.

Lists plane-fitted missile types, including the rather heavy ones, as well as other munitions of various destination.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-04 05:54am

Holy shit, people.

I am running calculation for what we'll need to get to the Moon and back. The place is tiny, so the entire lunar lander, capable of supporting two men for 3 days, will only weight 5317 kilograms (that's almost three times less than the historical LM!), assuming we install engines equally as powerful as the original.

The original CSM weighed 30 tonnes: 18 tonnes of that was the fuel. But it had to brake with the original 15-tonne LM attached, and then get away from our large moon's gravity. The total delta-v of the original CSM was 2880 m/s ; Ours will have to do more work to enter lunar orbit, but far less to get out of it. I assumed 3x the escape velocity of our moon (310 meter/s) just to be safe.

That gives us a total mass of the CSM at 9179 kilograms (assuming it's identical to the Apollo). Three times less than the original.

So the CSM-LM stack we need to propel to TLI weighs 14 496 kilograms.

That in turn gives us the last stage (the one which injects the CSM into a lunar trajectory) mass of 72 985 kilograms (our Earth isn't as nice as our widdle moon, unfortunately, which means TLI velocities are nearly the same - still, that's nearly 50 tonnes of payload less we have to bring to LEO!).

We'll need what, around 1300 tonnes of rocket to haul that much to orbit? The Space Shuttle does nearly 100 tonnes to LEO weighing 2000 tonnes itself.

Or we can build the giant fuck-off Saturn V and go wild with adding goodies to the spacecraft

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-09-04 05:58am

MariusRoi wrote:So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

The MESS "Lowell" GPS Constellation is edging towards being set up. I ntoe that with 2 communications satellites we're also the only serious global Command, Control, Communications(and compooters) organization.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-09-04 05:58am

PeZook, What did you use to calculate all that?

As for the plan, it might be good to note that Japanistan is imposing a lot of restrictions on what we can launch. We might not be able to launch a Saturn V, even from Camona given Shroom's proximity to Japanistan.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-04 05:59am

Nice to see our trip to the moon is going to be a cakewalk

.

PS: Can I assume that San Dorado's collaboration in the FASTA project will mean that schematics etc. will be available to us? Because those would really help our own space program (which right now is stuck with Redstone/Shahab knockoffs).

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-09-04 06:03am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:PeZook, What did you use to calculate all that?

Well...

I used the original Apollo hardware for the dry mass, transformed the rocket equation to spit out the initial rocket mass, estimated the required delta-v for all vehicles, made an Excel file, and then calculated backwards from the lunar lander for every hardware part.

This is all an estimate, of course. I'll assume the Very Smart People (TM) working for FASTA can figure out the real thing

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:As for the plan, it might be good to note that Japanistan is imposing a lot of restrictions on what we can launch. We might not be able to launch a Saturn V, even from Camona given Shroom's proximity to Japanistan.

Why? We just let Japanistanis inspect the spacecraft, as per the agreement. We won't be able to camouflage a warhead or spy sat as a space capsule, after all, and no ICBM is going to weigh 1500 tonnes

SiegeTank wrote:Nice to see our trip to the moon is going to be a cakewalk Smile.

PS: Can I assume that San Dorado's collaboration in the FASTA project will mean that schematics etc. will be available to us? Because those would really help our own space program (which right now is stuck with Redstone/Shahab knockoffs).

Well, the FASTA is not a design bureau, they just contract companies to build rockets for them, but there are some people it employs who could help you design your own rockets, and certainly experience at command, control, etc. is open to everybody.

Norseman · Post by **Norseman** » 2008-09-04 06:09am

Uhm why exactly do you want to use the Japanistani launch areas in the first place? Just curious mind you, but they don't seem to be right on the equator.