SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

[Zor]

Quick question: Who in the world is in FASTA?

PeZookia, Shroomania, You, the CSR, San Dorado and uh...Vineyards?

Yeah, we need a tally

Yes we do, and you Forgot Zoria.

Zor

[Coyote]

No, IIRC Marina decreed that New Year's is on the 15th. Even if we were in the temperate zone, we'd be somewhere around the end of summer right now.

And Orena is almost halfway between the equator and the north pole, which means a warmer climate than real-life Poland. Either way, the overcoat is unnecessary

Oh... uhhh..... it was light cotton. Yeah. For style purposes. And there was a cold front that day, real brief. That's it. Yeah...

[DarthShady]

Can I consider them delivered already?

Of course, I basically flew those machines to your nation in a week or so after the deal and transferred them to your pilots.

Great. Thanks. I'll add them to my OOB.

Yes I am. But I'll be committing a Comitentases legion, i.e. more infantry orientated. Legio II will be the one. Legio I will withdraw.

Excellent. I am going to rotate my forces as well, to add more infantry and less armour. PeZook, Stas will you guys be contributing anything to the operation?

[Zor]

Since (in my mind at least) this is long overdue, i created the Alliances and Organizations thread.

Zor

[K. A. Pital]

PeZook, Stas will you guys be contributing anything to the operation?

Look back a page. I edited the post.

P.S. Also, let it be known that I'm eagerly awaiting Marina's ideas on the ICBM/rocketry situation. Are ICBMs banned? If nations are known to have standoffs (me vs. Shroomania and other Empires (Japanistan, Tian Xia), Shepistan vs. Old Dominion), can they have at least up to 1980s ICBM tech? 1960s?

And could one please clarify on SSBN ban - there are precise BNs for subs after all, arent there? Wasn't one of SSBN main purpose to be more precise than ICBM? If ICBMs are unlikely but not banned, SSBN are likewise possible as an attempt to make standoff weapons at least somewhat useful in tactical sense.

P.P.S. Shady your pics totally rule. Where'd you get them?

[Coyote]

Who in this world makes the BTR-3U? They are impressive vehicles.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Who in this world makes the BTR-3U? They are impressive vehicles.

Stas can possibly patch together to make the turret if you want.

I myself operate LAV-III with the BMP-4 turret.

[K. A. Pital]

Who in this world makes the BTR-3U?

I guess if I'm the RSFSR and Shady and Pezook operate kinds of my equipment, probably either me or Shady are making them.

I know Vohu Manah operates them, it is possible that the turret is his (or Khitanese) devise (I'm searching for the analogues of UAE in this world).

But basically the BTR-90 can be fitted with any cannon up to 125 mm:

* BTR-90M with 100 mm gun turret - a version of the vehicle with the same armament as fitted to the BMP-3. First seen publicly in 2001. Not currently in service.
* BTR-90 with a low pressured 125mm anti-tank gun acquired from the 2S25 Sprut light tank

I currently operate stock BTR-90s, but will be gradually out-phasing them in favour of 100mm and 125-mm cannons.

[Coyote]

Also, just to keep everyone updated, this is th elist of forces I have on the ground so far in Veleria. I have mentioned all of these in posts at least once so far:



Operation Helping Hand: Forces on the ground so far/ARMY:
AO Dog: Task Force Viers
5th Airborne Division:
1 Airborne Infantry Legacy Brigade "I-Pathfinders"
1 Airborne Infantry Legacy Brigade "II-Pathfinders"
3 Airborne Armored Brigades
2 Heliborne Assault Brigades
2 Tactical Transport Group
1 Combat Engineer/Construction Battalion

4th Tactical Air Strike Strike Group (1 wing of YB-10A all-weather/night CAS)

al-Akharabat/Katangwa Free State Proper: Task Force Sharran
1st Infantry (Mechanized/Assault) Division:
1 Infantry Mechanized Legacy Brigade "Black Wolves Spearhead Brigade"
2 Infantry Mechanized Brigades
1 Heavy Armored Brigade "Iron Horse Spearhead Brigade"
1 Attack Helicopter Brigade
1 Combat Engineer/Construction Battalion

10th Armored Division:
3 Heavy Armored Brigades
1 Infantry Mechanized Brigade
1 Medium/Cavalry Brigade
1 Attack Helicopter Brigade

Camp Talisman
1 KM East of Khalid
Capt. Rafi Oren, Paratrooper, training officer

Royal AIR FORCE: 1st Air Superiority Command/ 4th Fighter Wing: Typhoon H-1A


Regular Flights:
204th Heavy Airlift Wing: WALRUS Ultra Heavy Lift Utility Aeroscraft (UHLUA)
4 Long-Range Strategic Preposition Airborn RO/RO Squadrons


NAVAL:
5 SSNs on Patrol off coast of al-Akharabat
3 Minewarfare Special Task Groups (STGs) of 2 Seahorse Mine warfare vessels each clearing mines from Khalid



EN ROUTE: 1st Expeditionary Force
Standard Expeditionary Force composition:
1 Triton-class CVN
1 Neptune-class LPDN w/MEU
1 Ryujin-class LSDNs w/MEU
1 Nabiya-class LPDs w/MEU
1 Cruiser Division (2 Cruisers)
2 Destroyer Divisions (4 Destroyers)
1 Frigate Division (3 Frigates)

[Coyote]

Who in this world makes the BTR-3U?

I guess if I'm the RSFSR and Shady and Pezook operate kinds of my equipment, probably either me or Shady are making them.

...But basically the BTR-90 can be fitted with any cannon up to 125 mm:

* BTR-90M with 100 mm gun turret - a version of the vehicle with the same armament as fitted to the BMP-3. First seen publicly in 2001. Not currently in service.
* BTR-90 with a low pressured 125mm anti-tank gun acquired from the 2S25 Sprut light tank

I currently operate stock BTR-90s, but will be gradually out-phasing them in favour of 100mm and 125-mm cannons.

So... the BTR-3U is the BTR-90? The Wiki article stated that it was a whole new vehicle, rather than a redesign of an existing chassis.

I may have to score me some of those.

[Beowulf]

Hey, Fingolfin, you're low: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n ... &dist=hppr

(cut and paste, I can't get it to dress properly)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Hey, Fingolfin, you're low: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n ... &dist=hppr

(cut and paste, I can't get it to dress properly)

Oh yeah, I heard about that one. But I never got around to find the paper detailing the power levels. (or rather, the fuckers possibly didn't publish and all I have read so far are a bunch of papers by Yarriv and a few others.)

Not to mention, I wonder if "beam quality 2.1 times the theoretical limit" meant they achieved a Gaussian beam with M^2 = 2.1, which is a fantastic and excellent result, by and far.

I'll go make the edits...

[K. A. Pital]

Newest armory additions:
- Sovremenny-class (mod.), Kara Mod class
Destroyers and CGs
- Moskva-class helicarrier added to the list
Carrier weaponry

Remember this is my stuff, so I only list and explain the best and newest stuff. Older stuff is not listed often.

[DarthShady]

PeZook, Stas will you guys be contributing anything to the operation?

Look back a page. I edited the post.

OK, I'll check it now.

P.P.S. Shady your pics totally rule. Where'd you get them?

What pics? The ones in my game posts?

[Siege]

Question for those who are more knowledgeable about military gear: would it be possible to convert the RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 that I employ on my destroyers etc. into an anti-shipping missile, preferably one carried by aircraft? Or is that a preposterous idea that I should be ridiculed for even proposing?

[DarthShady]

SNC Members I need to know if you are contributing forces to the peacekeeping operation, and if you are I need to know what those forces are?

I can commit one modern-tech light-mechanized division for peacekeeping in Zagor. The 58th Army 2nd Division, let's say.

OK, great. That just leaves PeZook, but I believe there are sufficient forces now present in the area to ensure the regions stability.

Stas, how about you launch some military satellites for me?

4500-5000 kg to very low orbits and ~3000 kg to medium-LEO is the limit of what can be done with "Cyclone" or any other R-36 derivative currently fielded.

Under the SART that I intend to announce with Shroomania (Shroom told me about it before going on leave) I will reduce 5 missiles each year, so I could launch 5 more sats for you next year. This year, launches are off.

Another deal is access to MKRC Legenda (RORSAT) - the access to these RORSATs granted to the USSR under the Joint Air Defense programme we had (under which I supply SAM systems to your nation, as I understood).

If the USSR Navy has any heavy anti-ship missiles to be guided by a RORSAT system, you may find it useful.

This RORSAT deal is great and works for me. Since I didn't know what the deal would include I had to ask.

More communication between us is necessary.

[Vohu Manah]

Who in this world makes the BTR-3U? They are impressive vehicles.

I operate them, and I chose them because they seem to be a flexible design and they use diesel. I guess my nation could make them.

So... the BTR-3U is the BTR-90? The Wiki article stated that it was a whole new vehicle, rather than a redesign of an existing chassis.

They're an all new vehicle in the sense that although the vehicle is a derivative design they're not taking say a BTR-80 and upgrading it. They're all new vehicles built to these original specifications. Although arguably minor there are differences between the BTR-80 (a very close cousin) and the BTR-3U.

[RogueIce]

So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

As your continental semi-neighbors, we'll help you out. Lemme know.

[Beowulf]

So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

As your continental semi-neighbors, we'll help you out. Lemme know.

MESS is already working on the Lowell system (again). *points to Lonestar*

[RogueIce]

So, Who wants to do GPS with me?

As your continental semi-neighbors, we'll help you out. Lemme know.

MESS is already working on the Lowell system (again). *points to Lonestar*

So? I'm being a good neighbor. Unless Marius wants to get on board with Lowell, I see no harm in helping him out.

[Steve]

Cascadia is also looking to a potential space program, including the lifting of satellites, and GPS as a part of it (I suspect most of us in-game have subtly prodded our engineers on establishing GPS).

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Before we go any further, in the Veleria situation, I'd like Marina to issue a proclamation that no more tribes will be pulled out of asses to provide 'legitimacy' for land grabs. I was very tempted to counter the sudden existence of the Zunpuntra with more tribes that professed allegiance to Canissia, but all I see is a domino-effect one one-upmanship in who can produce the most tribes.

Veleria was approved as it was, and the OOB I thought up, with the two predominant tribes in it (Caravo and Katangwan), was approved as well. The interior of Veleria is, I was under the impression, supposed to be a wild, unclaimed, and uninhabitable land ruled by vicious beasts, poisonous plants, and swarming, disease-ridden insects.

Producing another tribe to 'call in' Japanistan, and conveniently line up with them without any backstory, opens up more potential for one-upmanship... and is about as fair in-game as me posting that a long-suppressed Ainu ethnic group in Japanistan rises up in rebellion, overthrows the governemnt, and welcomes Canissian forces with flowers.

The Zunpuntra must be a very minor minority ethnic group with quite small claims, and, yeah, let's not go around in a game of Expanding Tribes.

[Steve]

I take it Coyote means "al-Akharabat" when he says "Veleria"? For the al-Itani, for interest, I had the locals where um-Kasrah Airfield was built described as, well, a local tribal group with a heterodox brand of Islam and which wasn't always friendly to the central government of al-Itani.

[Sea Skimmer]

Before we go any further, in the Veleria situation, I'd like Marina to issue a proclamation that no more tribes will be pulled out of asses to provide 'legitimacy' for land grabs. I was very tempted to counter the sudden existence of the Zunpuntra with more tribes that professed allegiance to Canissia, but all I see is a domino-effect one one-upmanship in who can produce the most tribes.

Yeah well you already invented the entire backstory for the place to your favor complete with third world warlords actually inviting you in (when the fuck would that EVER happen in real life? Somalia inviting in US Marines, yeah fucking right…), even though Japanistan is far closer and was established to have had a previous colonial presence in the region. So inventing a tribe in my favor is no stretch at all, and in all reality no place that big would ever have just two tribes. If you have a tribal system, you end up with shitloads of them. Some will be big, others will be small and oppressed and rather more willing to accept foreign intervention then a big tribe which has conquered half the country.

Veleria was approved as it was, and the OOB I thought up, with the two predominant tribes in it (Caravo and Katangwan), was approved as well. The interior of Veleria is, I was under the impression, supposed to be a wild, unclaimed, and uninhabitable land ruled by vicious beasts, poisonous plants, and swarming, disease-ridden insects.

The presence of so many countries on the damn place, some of them with actual decent governments and large numbers of vehicles has pretty much invalidated that premise if you ask me. The place should have never had any countries at all if it was going to be truly wild and uninhabitable, clearly it very much is habitable with people living hundreds of miles from the coast, not to mention an active colony of an actual player state.

Producing another tribe to 'call in' Japanistan, and conveniently line up with them without any backstory, opens up more potential for one-upmanship... and is about as fair in-game as me posting that a long-suppressed Ainu ethnic group in Japanistan rises up in rebellion, overthrows the governemnt, and welcomes Canissian forces with flowers.

Yeah well I was going to add backstory but real life gets in the way during the during week; mainly that they mainly live in what used to be the Japanistani colony, served as the backbone of Japanistani local defence forces back in the 1880s-1940s period, aren’t numerous but are scattered over a huge area of very hostile terrain, and that they are clearly just an excuse for Japanistani expansion.

[Sea Skimmer]

P.S. Also, let it be known that I'm eagerly awaiting Marina's ideas on the ICBM/rocketry situation. Are ICBMs banned? If nations are known to have standoffs (me vs. Shroomania and other Empires (Japanistan, Tian Xia), Shepistan vs. Old Dominion), can they have at least up to 1980s ICBM tech? 1960s?

I thought we were banning long range ballistic missiles and the technology for them as starting assets. They make no sense at all without nuclear warheads, no one is going to fire off a 30 million dollar missile to deliver maybe 2-3 tons of HE. Also if anyone has starting ICBM technology, by default they already have a large space booster that can loft significant sized satellites, which would mean space should already be heavily developed. MRBMs are more reasonable, small enough to have conventional-chemical weapons applications and while they can place very small payloads in orbit, they can’t support a proper space program, just basic research.

And could one please clarify on SSBN ban - there are precise BNs for subs after all, arent there? Wasn't one of SSBN main purpose to be more precise than ICBM? If ICBMs are unlikely but not banned, SSBN are likewise possible as an attempt to make standoff weapons at least somewhat useful in tactical sense.

No the point of SSBNs is to be highly survivable in the event of an enemy first strike with nuclear weapons. For any given level of missile technology SLBMs will be less accurate then ICBMs. In real life SLBMs are now so accurate that the difference doesn’t matter (say 150 meter vs. 100 meter CEP), but that’s only because of super advanced features like a radar mapping system on Trident II warheads.

Japanistan has a couple diesel SSBs, but each one only carries 2-3 SCUD type missiles which are cost effective for conventional and chemical weapons strikes. SSBNs with 3000km+ range missiles are far too expensive to make any real sense for conventional/chemical strikes, an SSGN with cruise missiles or even just an SSN which happens to have cruise missile launch capability via torpedo tube would be much more useful.

Question for those who are more knowledgeable about military gear: would it be possible to convert the RIM-161 Standard Missile 3 that I employ on my destroyers etc. into an anti-shipping missile, preferably one carried by aircraft? Or is that a preposterous idea that I should be ridiculed for even proposing?

SM-3 is hit to kill with a tiny detaching infrared guided interceptor, it is worthless against anything but a ballistic missile at high altitude. By the time you’re done changing it you’d have a whole new missile.

SM-2 is a way more logical basis for development (Standard SM-1 was converted to function as ARM in Vietnam), but it still wouldn’t be that great because the warhead is small and the flight profile would have to be suboptimal (neither very high nor very low). In real life SM-2 can in used as an anti ship weapon, but only out to the horizon because its semi active guided. An anti ship weapon would need active radar guidance.