SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Steve]

If New Guinea is still free, I'll take it, and upgrade my colonial value accordingly.

It's just a chunk. I hold eastern New Guinea (the part of modern day Papua New Guinea) and the Bird's Head Peninsula in the west.

Though, hrm, I suppose I could agree to cede it to you and let you have what is today the Indonesian half of New Guinea, in exchange for rights to use Tuscan naval facilities at Biak or Sorong. Might use the freed up area to see if Bean minds a Cascadian colonial enclave in Australia or New Zealand....

Actually I would like to claim Sudan, Cameroon and what would be the Central African Republic.

Hrm. I suppose you can. We've run out of European states sans Switzerland anyway, though it'd be cool if someone would play a modernized Siam....

New map:



Though justifying industrialization is going to be interesting for your nation.

[Thanas]

Germany's italian border should be just a tick further south, it is the Pisa-Florence-Rimini line after all, not the Bologna line.

[Siege]

To be honest, I've already forgotten who most of those colors belong to . Maybe it's time to put up a dedicated country or history thread where people can outline who they're playing as, as well as what their territories are? After all we've already got a thread on ships, frankly what nations occuppy the soil of this world seems more important...

Also, have we decided on whether a WW1 happened on this planet yes or no?

[Norseman]

Though justifying industrialization is going to be interesting for your nation.

Draka!

But seriously maybe he should take a modernised Siam instead so as to prevent us from having more mental whiplashes from super advanced AFrican nations.

[Steve]

To be honest, I've already forgotten who most of those colors belong to . Maybe it's time to put up a dedicated country or history thread where people can outline who they're playing as, as well as what their territories are? After all we've already got a thread on ships, frankly what nations occuppy the soil of this world seems more important...

Also, have we decided on whether a WW1 happened on this planet yes or no?

I should probably mark them. Dammit, haven't I done enough work?!

*grumbles*

Next person to overload me with work gets their country labeled Pink. Well, except Shroom, because that'd fit too well. Then I can do the Reservoir Dogs quote!

[Steve]

Germany's italian border should be just a tick further south, it is the Pisa-Florence-Rimini line after all, not the Bologna line.

I moved it two pixels south. That should be enough to represent Pisa-Florence-Rimini.

[Mr Bean]

Ok a little help with country building here.
How do I reflect my vision of SDNet 3 Britain

Population:

Land Area:

Colonial territory:

Industry:

Economy:

Infrastructure:

Standing Military:

Naval Focus:

Army Focus:

Air Focus:

What I want to portray is the world's finest Navy. Bar none, the number two Navy being a good distance behind. This is a Britain that experience's in decline in power far sooner that World War II. It does not hold India. Nor Australia, nor many other historical colonies of the time. It's army is second class, one of the reasons it lost so many colonies much quicker and has not been expanding for years. It has toeholds in various places where it once had colonies. Only a port and a coaling station or the equivalent.

But on the balance however, Britian(And Ireland) for SDN3 possess the largest and finest Navy in the world. The best trained, the best equipped and the most experienced. Britian's economy shall be on the waves. And while it's lost most of it's colonies(Now in countries being played by other people) it has in exchange excellent trade relations with most of the world. The Hong-Kong model lets it still trade in North and South America, the Middle East, Africa and the Pacific by providing ports of entry for British goods and British merchant shipping being used by many less off countries to move their goods to and from market. Know they have little to fear for their Merchant Marine is protected by again the worlds Finest Fleet.

So in game terms how do I portray all this? What numbers go where to produce, maintain and equip said fleet?

[Siege]

I'm not sure, but that concept sounds interesting enough that I *personally* wouldn't mind giving you a special dispensation for a 6 in Naval Focus at the expense of, well, the trade-offs you mentioned. Of course I don't know how the rest of our players would react to something like that, or if perhaps the system breaks down in a particularly cataclysmic fashion if we count to six...

[Mr Bean]

I'm not sure, but that concept sounds interesting enough that I *personally* wouldn't mind giving you a special dispensation for a 6 in Naval Focus at the expense of, well, the trade-offs you mentioned. Of course I don't know how the rest of our players would react to something like that, or if perhaps the system breaks down in a particularly cataclysmic fashion if we count to six...

I'm willing to be all end all for the best Navy bar none. To the point at which I got into a fight with some land locked country I'd have ot ask them kindly to come to within ten miles of the water's edge so we could fight. My entire bent is going to be Naval. To the point at which I could not seriously threaten any inland country period.

[Karmic Knight]

I'm not sure, but that concept sounds interesting enough that I *personally* wouldn't mind giving you a special dispensation for a 6 in Naval Focus at the expense of, well, the trade-offs you mentioned. Of course I don't know how the rest of our players would react to something like that, or if perhaps the system breaks down in a particularly cataclysmic fashion if we count to six...

I'm working on his Britain in the system, and he can get a 7 in Naval Focus if he uses a 5 industry (+2) to a Naval Focus of 5. Now Steve/Thanas/Whomever would have to figure out what that would be on the scale, but it could be done.

[Thanas]

I object if this will result in you being able to completely cut me off at ease. In short, I do not want to be able to have you immediately bottle you up. Have a five at the start of the game, ok, but a 6 would be two steps higher than anybody else currently has (I am a four myself).

I am quite ameniable to us having the same power relations with each other at and during WWI (in fact, when I modeled the Navies, a 5 was Britain and a 4 was Germany), but you being the greatest naval nation and having an advantage to which nobody can ever catch up...No, that won't work.

[Karmic Knight]

Here is my breakdown for a possible Britain.

Population: 3 (2 to Home 1 to Colonies/Trade Cities)
Home Territory: 2
Colonial Territory: 2
Industry: 5
Economy: 5
Infrastructure: 5
Standing Military: 3
Naval Focus: 5 (+2 Bonus)
30 Points:
+X (I cannot remember the amount Bean got) to go to
Army Focus:
Air Focus:

I object if this will result in you being able to completely cut me off at ease. In short, I do not want to be able to have you immediately bottle you up. Have a five at the start of the game, ok, but a 6 would be two steps higher than anybody else currently has (I am a four myself).

I have a 5 when adding in bonuses.

[Thanas]

Actually, Karmic, you made several mistakes. I'll take a crack at Britain myself.

[Raesene]

Steve, your quote boxes are messed up...

If you are satisfied with use of the naval base (under my coast defense batteries ) we can have a deal.

A colour code would be helpful - Tuscany is the flashy green territory of the Italian Peninsula , owning Elba (just mentioning it), Eastern (or all of) New Guinea, the Solomons. If nobody claimed Tanzania except Dar-es-Salaam, I'll take it too.

I'm also interested in a share of either Panama-canal or the Nicaragua-canal, how can I acquire those (gametechnically) ?

Piedmont and Liguria will stay Austrian, but Tuscany gets some of its consumer goods from there as well as use of the harbours of Genua and La Speiza. Livorno, however, is Tuscan.

[Norade]

Most of what is left either used to be English or in Angola's case is an independent nation. I could always snap up Nigeria, Cameroon, and Chad and say we stole them from Britain way back though to get more room... I just want to have enough industry to enjoy my navy, and now I'm stuck figuring out population densities...

That's a good idea.

And I don't recommend Canada. It's basically Manitoba, Upper Ontario, and Arctic wasteland at this point. I suppose I could not claim Saskatchewan ( ) but even that gets you a bit of oil and gas and a lot of agricultural land, which you really already have in northern Ontario and Manitoba.

Just stick with Portugal and claim Nigeria and Cameroon around the German base there. For Nigeria just have it where Bean's Britain, losing its inland empire, supported a Portuguese claim (Portugal's always been a historic ally of Britain) after it failed to subdue the Sokoto Caliphate. Portugal then lost Angola and Mozambique from the social pressures of fighting a long colonial war with the Sokoto, eventually conquering Nigeia.

Maybe cut a deal with Thanas for Portuguese access to the German base in Cameroon in exchange for raw materials from your colonies and some such.

Well the parts of Canada I'd be getting if I was also allowed Quebec would give me most of the nations industry, a major port, and most of the population, however Portugal with a moderate smattering of holds seems like fun as well and I've put more thought into working with her than I have with Canada. So my new claim will be as follows:

Points Distribution
Population: 2
-50 million citizens, unlike in reality Portugal grew her homelands rapidly during the rebuild and refocusing of her power after the earthquake the leveled Lisbon, though they have started to slow immigration in recent years to avoid over crowding of port cities in the mainland and are encouraging increased settlement in their African and South American holdings.
Territory: 1
-92,000 sq/km - Consisting of the mainland and outlaying islands.
Colonies: 5
-1.5 million sq/km - French Guyana, Nigeria, Cameroon
Industry: 3
-Again, unlike in reality Portugal rebuilt after Lisbon and focused heavily on shipyards which have now expanded into vehicle exports, and machinery as major export items. (150pts/3mo, size limit 60kt)
Economy: 3
-Once manufacturing took off in Portugal the small country ran a surplus and managed to build a cash reserve impressive for their population. (75% Deficit spending in war/emergency)
Infrastructure: 4
-The terrain means that it was easy to connect the nation with rail and highways and transport from port to port by ferry is easily found, however aside from a few spur lines and paved if unimpressive highways the interior is not as easy to move through. The colonies maintain good highways and a few main railways. (Moves soldiers and goods by train)
Standing Military Limit: 3
-Portugal has an average professional military to defend her shores
Naval Focus: 3 (4 with enhanced focus)
-With everything at her coastline a strong navy is important to Portugal, they have one of the best navies in the world (Total capship tonnage: 1,2m, total BB tonnage may not exceed 0,8 million tons. Combined Industry/Economy level of
Army Focus: 3
-Portugal has a professional army with decent leadership, with her industry Portugal is attempting to be at the forefront of arm and artillery (600,000 soldiers, +8% of population as reserve soldiers)
Air Focus: 3
-Her air force is growing though at this time a it is seen as secondary to her navy and army, her planes are solidly built yet uninspired compared to a leading nation (You have 360 aircraft)

[Thanas]

deleted due to mistake. Thanks to Karmic_ Knight for pointing it out.

[Karmic Knight]

Thanas, Bean doesn't have Australia:

Ok a little help with country building here.
How do I reflect my vision of SDNet 3 Britain
What I want to portray is the world's finest Navy. Bar none, the number two Navy being a good distance behind. This is a Britain that experience's in decline in power far sooner that World War II. It does not hold India. Nor Australia, nor many other historical colonies of the time. It's army is second class, one of the reasons it lost so many colonies much quicker and has not been expanding for years. It has toeholds in various places where it once had colonies. Only a port and a coaling station or the equivalent.

[Agent Sorchus]

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Population 2 [29 million]
Home Territory 4  [< 2.5 million sq kms]
Colonial Territory 4  [1 million sq kms]
Industry 3
Economy 3
Infrastructure 4
Standing Military 3
Naval Focus 2
Army Focus 4 +1
Air Focus 1

I think that industry and Naval focus are a little high and as such I will not be playing to the actual limits but will low ball my total tonnage and the largest ship I can build would be self limited to 45kt.

btw Steve I think that you gave me a little too much of those non Sudan areas. Thus I would prefer to cut the northern section away into wilderness.

[Thanas]

Thanas, Bean doesn't have Australia:

Ok a little help with country building here.
How do I reflect my vision of SDNet 3 Britain
What I want to portray is the world's finest Navy. Bar none, the number two Navy being a good distance behind. This is a Britain that experience's in decline in power far sooner that World War II. It does not hold India. Nor Australia, nor many other historical colonies of the time. It's army is second class, one of the reasons it lost so many colonies much quicker and has not been expanding for years. It has toeholds in various places where it once had colonies. Only a port and a coaling station or the equivalent.

Readjusting.

Britain:

Population: 3 (75 million, Britain and Ireland = 45, + the rest in remaining colonies or in Britain due to high exodus from former colonies)
Home Territory: 2
Colonial Territory: 2
Economy: 5
Infrastructure: 5
Industry: 5
Naval Focus: 2 (+3 Bonus due to industry) = 5
Standing military: 3
Army Focus: 1
Air Focus: 2
= 30 points.

Weak army, relatively strong airforce, strong economy, industry and the greatest Navy. If you continue to invest in it, nobody should be able to catch up with you.

[Steve]

Oh crap, MAD SCRAMBLE FOR AUSTRALIA!

I claim Victoria! (J/K.... maybe. Need to check figures).

Oh, and Thanas, I've contemplated reducing my Standing Military to let myself have a 5 in Navy, letting me dominate the Pacific while reflecting my RP desire for the Cascadian Army to emphasize the role of the "citizen-soldier", reservists and draftees called up at mobilization. Unfortunately, doing "Rule Britannia" with Cascadia in the lyrics doesn't work so well.

I'd be okay with an RN the largest in the world if it's made clear that Bean can't take on the world's greatest fleets altogether. And with enough worldwide commitment that they can't easily bottle up the North Sea if Germany's fleet is concentrated or if Germany has allies.

Also, an RN blockade would only really be effective if it had enough allies to cow neutral countries that still traded with Germany. IOW, if enough countries get pissed at British blockade tactics they'll have to back off or risk war. (Historically in WWI the Allies managed just that, and the British were very good at carefully applying the blockade in ways to avoid inflaming US mercantile interests - as it was a Congressman once stood in the US Congress to propose declaring war on Britain over the blockade, though it was most likely a stunt).

[Beowulf]

Idea for Bean: he can have the over 5 Navy, but he can't have more ships that he considers to be capital ships than the next greatest power. Thus, he'll have alot of cruisers, as befitting a power with world wide interests.

[Siege]

I would imagine that in our exceedingly multipolar world, if Bean concentrated too much of his navy against a single opponent (be he Germany or Cascadia or someone else), the rest of the world would profit from it by nicking his colonies when they're not defended by the might of His Majesty's superdreadnoughts (considering his weak army).

EDIT: I like Beo's suggestion as well.

[Thanas]

Oh crap, MAD SCRAMBLE FOR AUSTRALIA!

I claim Victoria! (J/K.... maybe. Need to check figures).

I still got 100.000 km² of my colonial status left. So if we divide Australia, I'd like a share of Western Austrlia. Preferably the one with mines in it.

[Norseman]

Oh crap, MAD SCRAMBLE FOR AUSTRALIA!

I claim Victoria! (J/K.... maybe. Need to check figures).

I still got 100.000 km² of my colonial status left. So if we divide Australia, I'd like a share of Western Austrlia. Preferably the one with mines in it.

Maybe Portugal or someone with a tiny country should get Australia to justify them having industry or a navy?

[Raesene]

Oh crap, MAD SCRAMBLE FOR AUSTRALIA!

I claim Victoria! (J/K.... maybe. Need to check figures).

I still got 100.000 km² of my colonial status left. So if we divide Australia, I'd like a share of Western Austrlia. Preferably the one with mines in it.

Maybe Portugal or someone with a tiny country should get Australia to justify them having industry or a navy?

*** whistles innocently*** Tasmania for Tuscany ?