SDNWorld Redux - Casting Call & Planning

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-29 08:08am

Speaking of which...

Hey, Shep! Can we have a Uranium for Food program? Like, I give your deprived nation food in exchange for arms and stuff?

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-07-29 08:19am

PeZook wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Siegey, it wouldn't do if Big Shroomania finds Little San Dorado getting bioweapons from its Best Friend Forever, Shepistan Razz
Yeah, it wouldn't do at all. How do you like your food imports, Siege?

Communists! I'm just trying to make an honest living here!

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-29 08:24am

SiegeTank wrote: Communists! I'm just trying to make an honest living here!

I'm...pretty sure capitalists would try to use your excessive urbanization as leverage, too

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-07-29 08:30am

PeZook wrote:I'm...pretty sure capitalists would try to use your excessive urbanization as leverage, too

But I just want to buy mustard gas from Shep and sell it to my third world neighbours! What possible objections could you have?

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-29 08:35am

I think mustard gas is alright, Siege-kun ^_____^

At least it's not fucking Smallbola

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-29 08:51am

SiegeTank wrote: But I just want to buy mustard gas from Shep and sell it to my third world neighbours! What possible objections could you have?

Hey! I can sell you bioweapons!

Yeah! I can sell you them so that you can in turn sell them to people who hate you along with delivery systems! Hell - we'll give them away for free! Think of the profit margins, man!

...

Are you fucking insane?

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-07-29 09:10am

PeZook wrote:Are you fucking insane?

My nation's based in large part on Mega-City One of Judge Dredd fame. What do you think?

Seriously though, I won't start out as 'totally mad barking nuts capitalist' right off the bat, but my nation will have a definite tendency to slide in that direction, giving me a convenient excuse to slowly find out just how far I can go before my, uh, much valued business partners get too annoyed.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-29 09:17am

Raj Ahten wrote:With Shep's declarations, I could see the whole world preemptively declaring war on him as soon as the game starts . In this world, the neocons who say we need regime change in Shepnukistan are most likely right .

While that might be a bit much, I can certainly say most people are going to have a much lower tolerance for bullshit this time around. So if someone drops WMD's all over the place without entering negotiations at all, we can expect that person to be hit by most other nations.

I say we have something like what the Dune Universe has; the Great Convention. In this case, any nation that stockpiles crap like Shep gets nuked or pulverised.

In which case, I do advocated pounding Shepistan to pieces early game.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2008-07-29 09:49am

The Great Convention states that using nukes against humans is forbidden. But Shep's been developing anti-livestock weapons as well.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-29 10:00am

Setzer wrote:The Great Convention states that using nukes against humans is forbidden. But Shep's been developing anti-livestock weapons as well.

Expand it! Include bioweapons/Chemical Weapons. In which case, what kills livestock kills humans as well.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-07-29 11:00am

Or just say that... Ahem The use of any atomic or biological weapon against a human shall be cause for planetary obliteration.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-07-29 11:09am

The mustard gas is for, ummm... hot dogs. Yeah. That's it.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-29 11:30am

Setzer wrote:The Great Convention states that using nukes against humans is forbidden. But Shep's been developing anti-livestock weapons as well.

Don't forget Anti-Crop weapons. I plan to have a whole cocktail of weapons specifically targeted against wheat crops, rice crops, Cattle and chicken (think Bird flu x1000).

I mean, if salted nukes are an acceptable weapon (Per last game), what's a little BW between friends?

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-29 11:33am

Aren't you supposed to be Libya and/or North Korea and not... the Super Stalin Special? Or the Heirnonymous Hyper Hitler?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-29 11:41am

Libya and North Korea are too poor to afford large nuclear arsenals (only a hundred or so weapons, probably). BW on the other hand is very, very very cheap to develop and stockpile.

BTW; updated my list with what I actually have stockpiled or under development. Basically, I have just about every chemical weapon in some form or another (any nation with a chemical industry has that capability).

In BW, I just stuck to the basics (for now). Anthrax, Salmonella (I figure someone has looked into it for shits and giggles purposes), and developing a chlorine resistant version has got to be easy....

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-07-29 11:42am

MKSheppard wrote:Don't forget Anti-Crop weapons. I plan to have a whole cocktail of weapons specifically targeted against wheat crops, rice crops, Cattle and chicken (think Bird flu x1000).

I mean, if salted nukes are an acceptable weapon (Per last game), what's a little BW between friends?

Why not just re-open research into the "Gay Bomb" and the enemy will simply stop breeding and within a generation, you walk in.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-29 11:44am

Coyote wrote:Why not just re-open research into the "Gay Bomb" and the enemy will simply stop breeding and within a generation, you walk in.

Hmm...*adds to list*

C503 - "Gay Bomb"

Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2008-07-29 12:22pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Coyote wrote:Why not just re-open research into the "Gay Bomb" and the enemy will simply stop breeding and within a generation, you walk in.
Hmm...*adds to list*

C503 - "Gay Bomb"

The yaoi fangirls are REALLY going to love that one.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-07-29 12:25pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Coyote wrote:Why not just re-open research into the "Gay Bomb" and the enemy will simply stop breeding and within a generation, you walk in.
Hmm...*adds to list*

C503 - "Gay Bomb"

Well, if you really want to be insidious, you could create some airbourne version of syphilis...

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-07-29 01:01pm

Aw, shit...not again.

Fuck that, I'm out. I can already see another apocalypse three months down the line.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-07-29 01:22pm

I can sympathize... and I'd also like to point out that I have yet to actually bother writing my nation profile. So...

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-29 01:42pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Well, if you really want to be insidious, you could create some airbourne version of syphilis...

Airborne Syphillis would be essentially worthless as a weapon. I mean, what the hell is the point of it? And just too hard to engineer anyway.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-07-29 01:45pm

The problem here is we have people with vastly different expectations for this game. Shep wants a wargame with WMD's, and he will engineer incidents regardless of their sanity to get it. Other players want to roleplay what sane nations would actually do. If we want a wargame, we got to put this back in the 1930's so it doesn't turn into WMD spam. I'd be willing to play a wargame scenario, but only if we push it back in time. I have no inclination to play out a modern doomsday scenario. If we are going to have that happen, I'm pulling out as well.

We could go ahead and have our modern scenario if we all start at war with Shepnukistan MkII. Opening deal: a coalition has formed to deal with Shepnukistan when intel reports say he is building a chemical and biological weapons program. We then bomb him into the stone age with massive overwhelming air power. Shep gets his war, but he just gets curbstomped before he gets all the WMD's he wants.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-07-29 01:54pm

Alternatively, we could just have Shep assassinated seven days after the game begins. It would take him eight to order all the weapons armed, so we should be okay.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-07-29 01:54pm

Raj Ahten wrote:Shep wants a wargame with WMD's, and he will engineer incidents regardless of their sanity to get it.

Actually, no I don't. I want a game with realistic options open to players.

If we want a wargame, we got to put this back in the 1930's so it doesn't turn into WMD spam.

"Today, the Royal Shepistani Airforce attacked the capital city of Pezookia in a thousand plane raid. 125 tons of high explosives, 150 tons of inciendaries, and 225 tons of various chemical weapons were dropped. Casualties estimated in the tens of thousands..."

It's one of the reasons Hitler got so far, the "Bomber Will Always Get Through" advocates plus the apocalyptic predictions of what the effect of the first day of an air war with chemical weapons deterred people from attacking him.

Opening deal: a coalition has formed to deal with Shepnukistan when intel reports say he is building a chemical and biological weapons program.

Oh Goody, Iraq!

We then bomb him into the stone age with massive overwhelming air power.

Or I could have built my facilities like Iran--buried so far and deep that you need more than 4,000+ lb bunker busters to destroy them....concrete and dirt are cheap after all...