SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Steve]

*** whistles innocently*** Tasmania for Tuscany ?

Sure! I'm claiming Victoria and a section of Southern Australia (not all, can't afford it point-wise). I may even relinquish more of New Guinea if asked.

[Siege]

I do wonder if some people aren't getting themselves into worlds of potential hurt with all these far-flung colonies. Having them sure is nice, but holding on to them for any amount of time when the neighbors come knocking will be the real trick.

[Raesene]

*** whistles innocently*** Tasmania for Tuscany ?

Sure! I'm claiming Victoria and a section of Southern Australia (not all, can't afford it point-wise). I may even relinquish more of New Guinea if asked.

I'll take whatever pieces of Nerw Guinea you give up.

[Steve]

I do wonder if some people aren't getting themselves into worlds of potential hurt with all these far-flung colonies. Having them sure is nice, but holding on to them for any amount of time when the neighbors come knocking will be the real trick.

Why do you think I'm looking to invest in a major Navy? Though I may have to reconsider some things due to my Economy/Industry score. *grumbles*

[Minister of Pigeonry]

Spain would be quite interested in the oil and coal rich regions of Queensland, not sure I can hold the whole of Queensland but a good portion at least if no one has an objection.

EDIT: Claims in Queensland

Also, what's New Caledonia looking like? I assume it's still French.

[Thanas]

New updated history now that Tuscany exists:

- Instead of Wilhelm II, Friedrich III. survives his cancer due to Bismarck recommending Morell Mackenzie, who does not misdiagnose his cancer (deviation of OTL here).
- This leaves Bismarck and Friedrich III. longer in charge and prevent much of the diplomatic quagmires.
- When Wilhelm II. takes the throne after Friedrich dies in 1895, Bismarck is in a much stronger position and WIlhelm II. does not dare challenge him. Bismarck also masterfully placates the Kaiser with a token colonial policy and a more serious naval armament race, but diplomacy does much to smoothe the feelings. After all, Bismarck and the two Victorias trust each other deeply (in the OTL, only the english queen victoria did, in this TL both do due to him saving the Emperor).
- careful diplomacy prevents any sort of isolation of Germany, Bismarck dies in 1889, leaves Protege in charge
- 1914: Franz Ferdinand is assassinated in Sarajevo
- Austria goes to war. Germany hangs back, sees what happens.
- Balkan insurrection engulfes the Austrian Empire in civil war, Byzantine Empire and Italy (Kingdom of Italy) supply arms to insurrectionists. In 1915 Austria is close to fragmentation.
- End of 1915: Germany finally acts after signing a non-interference pact with Russia. German troops march into the Austrian Empire in small detachements, beating back insurrectionists. Germany is not fully committed to the fight yet.
- New Year 1915: Vienna Massacre. The Austrian Emperor along with the majority of the Austrian leadership/nobility are killed when a massive bomb destroys the concert hall of the Neujahrskonzert. The Kaiser's eldest son is killed, Wilhelm II. severely injured. The Bomb is later found to have been a collaboration of Italian design and serbian anarchists. Austria collapses.
- 1916: Germany declares war on Italy and marches into Austria.
- May 1916: German troops take Venice. July: Battle of Turin - Italian army is decisively beaten, encircled. French troops who try to intervene turn back when faced with German numerical superiority.
- August 1916: Faced with threatening Byzantine, French and Russian intervention, who try to prevent the creation of a german superstate, Germany agrees to a ceasefire.
- January 1917: Treaty of Rome with the following results:
a) Balkans gain independence (Shady, that would be your nation)
b) The Kingdom of Italy is destroyed. Germany gains northern Italy (as outlined above), though it does only claim it to prevent France and the Byzantine Empire from capitalizing on the collapse of Italy.
c) The rest of the Austrian Empire is absorbed into Germany as the children of Karl I. of Austria are not old enough. They are placed in the household of Wilhelm II.
d) The Tuscan Kingdom regains it independence from the former Kingdom of Italy. It had been annexed under the former Kingdom of Italy.


In the following years up to 1925 this happens:

- As the German Kaiser is a Protestant, he cannot lay claim to the thrones of Austria and Hungary. This leads to the bizarre solution of him being named Reichsverweser. The full title of the Kaiser will therefore be: Wilhelm II., Deutscher Kaiser, König von Preußen, Reichsverweser von Österreich und Ungarn. The situation is further confounded by the children of Karl I, who are the rightful heirs to the austrian part of the new empire and will be old enough in the 1930s to maybe claim the throne. Although the titles of the empire are not integrated, the rest of the empire is already closely integrated and it should be viewed as a single nation, though the hungarian/italian parts are not so smitten by the situation. The Chancellor is the deciding figure as the Kaiser never really recovered from the bombing and as the Reichstag is elected by the whole of the empire and not dependant on titles.

- The Tuscan kingdom becomes the unified Italian nation except for the German and Byzantine territories due to political skill.

[Karmic Knight]

Updated Union of the Low Countries Distribution.

Population: 2 (+2 from Colonies, total of 4)
Home Territory: 2 (41,526 km2 (Dutch) + 30,528 km2 (Belgian))
Colonial Territory: 5 (the Subsidiary Union of the Horn of Africa (Somalia, Abyssinia, and Kenya), and the Subsidiary Union of the West African Coast (Cote D'Ivoire, Liberia, Senegal, Sierra Leone), and the Special Union of Curacao and Suriname.
Industry: 4
Economy: 4 (+1 from Colonies, Total of 5)
Infrastructure: 4
Standing Military Limit: 3
Naval Focus: 2 (+2 From Industry, total of 4)
Army Focus: 3
Air Focus: 1

I just redid the math for my colonies and found I was had around 3 million km^2, so I made the changes accordingly.

I would like from Groote Eylandt to Darwin in Australia, to act as the location the DEIC evacuated to after being expunged from Klavohunter's Indonesia.

edit: I'm claiming everthing above this line.

[Thanas]

Updated Union of the Low Countries Distribution.

Population: 2 (+2 from Colonies, total of 5)
Home Territory: 2 (41,526 km2 (Dutch) + 30,528 km2 (Belgian))
Colonial Territory: 5 (the Subsidiary Union of the Horn of Africa (Somalia, Abyssinia, and Kenya), and the Subsidiary Union of the West African Coast (Cote D'Ivoire, Liberia, Senegal, Sierra Leone), and the Special Union of Curacao and Suriname.
Industry: 4
Economy: 4 (+1 from Colonies, Total of 5)
Infrastructure: 4
Standing Military Limit: 3
Naval Focus: 2 (+2 From Industry, total of 5)
Army Focus: 3
Air Focus: 1

That should both be 4s instead of 5.

[Steve]

Spain would be quite interested in the oil and coal rich regions of Queensland, not sure I can hold the whole of Queensland but a good portion at least if no one has an objection.

EDIT: Claims in Queensland

Also, what's New Caledonia looking like? I assume it's still French.

Someone claimed it, think it was the Tuscan player.

[Karmic Knight]

That should both be 4s instead of 5.

Ah yes, I was fiddling with the numbers after I found I had a colonial rating of 5, thank you for catching that.

[Steve]

Claims for Cascadian Australia.

[Minister of Pigeonry]

Spain would be quite interested in the oil and coal rich regions of Queensland, not sure I can hold the whole of Queensland but a good portion at least if no one has an objection.

EDIT: Claims in Queensland

Also, what's New Caledonia looking like? I assume it's still French.

Someone claimed it, think it was the Tuscan player.

New Caledonia? Alrighty.

[Beowulf]

If the North Island of New Zealand remains unclaimed, I'd like to claim it. This assumes that Bean is no longer overlord of NZ, similarly to how he is not the lord of Australia.

[Dark Hellion]

Since it is unclaimed I would like to steal the rest of Zambia and Tanzania (unless Setzer really wants it).

[Mr Bean]

Nope, need to clarify that. Still have New Zeland. Newfoundland. The very tip of India. New Zeland and one of the Caribbean islands Steve mentioned for me. Otherwise it's Hong-Kong style single city controls. If you want to take some of that old territory we can work out whatever city got seded to Britian for X years.

[Thanas]

Raesene has already claimed the rest of Tanzania.

[Dark Hellion]

Ok. No problem. Its hard to keep track of who has what colony (hell, some of the colonists probably aren't going to know who actually runs their country). I am still going to take the rest of Zambia just for the sake of keeping a weird grey spot off the map.

[Steve]

Ok. No problem. Its hard to keep track of who has what colony (hell, some of the colonists probably aren't going to know who actually runs their country). I am still going to take the rest of Zambia just for the sake of keeping a weird grey spot off the map.

The northwest bit, sure, but you're separated from the north-east bit by Setz and Marius.

Okay, from my copy of the map the following is unclaimed:

Mongolia *snickers*
Siam/Thailand (Wow, we might actually have an NPC!)
Costa Rica
Paraguay
Suriname
French Guyana (I think Spain claimed it, or Portugal, not sure.)
Bahamas (Maybe, either British or US, not sure)
Rwanda/Burundi
Southeastern Libya.... which is a big f-ing desert anyway, so I'm not surprised.
Afghanistan, mostly because Shep doesn't want it.
The Nejd. The Saudi interior, almost all desert thanks to the part Siege claimed.
Switzerland.

If I've missed claims please simply calmly inform me, I don't want to hear "YOU MISSED MY CLAIM" or grief regarding that.

[Beowulf]

In that case, I'd like to snip off a bit of New South Wales, bounded on the south by the Murray river, and including Sydney. About 100,000 km in total.

Edit: taking the entire thing instead now.

[Mr Bean]

OK full list if I got this right, I'll lop areas off if the points don't allow it.


Territories claimed
New Zealand
Newfoundland
Saint Helena


Minor Islands claimed
Aruba
Fiji
Howland Island
Christmas_Island
Trinidad
British_Virgin_Islands

Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britian
Hong Kong
Pondicherry
Melbourne (Requested)
Singapore (Requested)
Bahrain (Requested)

Will that fly with a 2 point Colony score? All told the minor islands have less landmass than Ireland

*Edited Per Lonestar

[Lonestar]

Nope, need to clarify that. Still have New Zeland. Newfoundland. The very tip of India. New Zeland and one of the Caribbean islands Steve mentioned for me. Otherwise it's Hong-Kong style single city controls. If you want to take some of that old territory we can work out whatever city got seded to Britian for X years.

Eh? I think not. I won't have a problem with Pondicherry(as I offered earlier in the thread) but I'll be damned if I'm chopped up and Shep isn't.

Seriously, you didn't even give me the courtesy of a response.

[Setzer]

Ok. No problem. Its hard to keep track of who has what colony (hell, some of the colonists probably aren't going to know who actually runs their country). I am still going to take the rest of Zambia just for the sake of keeping a weird grey spot off the map.

Why don't we both have rival claims on it? It'll give us a plot point to squabble over.

[Mr Bean]

Nope, need to clarify that. Still have New Zeland. Newfoundland. The very tip of India. New Zeland and one of the Caribbean islands Steve mentioned for me. Otherwise it's Hong-Kong style single city controls. If you want to take some of that old territory we can work out whatever city got seded to Britian for X years.

Eh? I think not. I won't have a problem with Pondicherry(as I offered earlier in the thread) but I'll be damned if I'm chopped up and Shep isn't.

Seriously, you didn't even give me the courtesy of a response.

Response? You posted something? I was going off what Steve sent me. If it's only a single port on India's cost I'm fine by that. Not like you could not march south and take it from the division of Clerks and Port authorities I'd have free to deploy to India.

[Dark Hellion]

There is actually a long history of mildly separated parts of Angola by the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The exclave of Cabinda has been separate since the drawing of boundaries in 1885 but is actually a part of Angola home territory. I don't think its a real problem given that the section consists of literally nothing but jungle. That's why Marius didn't claim it. If Setzer wants it he can have it. It is simply land with no real value at all.

[Steve]

OK full list if I got this right, I'll lop areas off if the points don't allow it.


Territories claimed
New Zealand
Newfoundland
Saint Helena
British India

Minor Islands claimed
Aruba
Fiji
Howland Island
Christmas_Island
Trinidad
British_Virgin_Islands

Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britian
Hong Kong
Melbourne (Requested)
Singapore (Requested)
Bahrain (Requested)

Will that fly with a 2 point Colony score? All told the minor islands have less landmass than Ireland

If it's less than 200,000 square kms it'd fly with 1 CT.

Melbourne is in my Australian claim and would be one of two key ports, but I would be willing to permit Britain special trading and port privileges.

Actually, how about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Great ... y_2008.png

Where would you like a British treaty port on Port Phillip? Geelong, for instance, is the 6th largest port in Australia today. Said territory would be British in sovereignty and ownership, like Hong Kong. If you want the city of Melbourne itself, well, I'd like to discuss further terms with you, as it may be my largest port in Australia (can't find data on Adelaide's suitability) and is the logical eastern hub for my Australian holdings' transportation system.


Also, I saw Karmic's Aussie claim, as well as that of Pigeonry and Beo, but who had Western Australia again and how much?