SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK IV

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-06-04 03:09pm

Stas Bush wrote:Two, satellites lifted up there with explosives - most likely a war of sats and Ksats will occur, but for each KSAT you lift up, Bean can do so too, and aim his KSAT at your KSAT; destroying it somewhere out-range before initiating bombardment of Earth. Also, KSATs still need small range to be effective (around 1km here-there). Spaceborne space-to-space missiles are more effective,and yet better if they are guided. Spacefighters are a good carrier of such missiles.

Er, yeah, but they'd have to be on roughly the same orbital plane or at least intersecting its path. I'd rather pay for a swarm of cheap hunter-killer microsats.

As for rise time, I'm not so sure if it's an issue if you're injecting weapons into its orbit.

A single Shuttle-type vehicle could carry so many space-to-space missiles that it could vape Bean's system at will.

How? It can only engage one at a time, and certainly not in other orbital plans. It doesn't have the delta-V to maneuver to engage everything. It has to land sometime, and then Bean can drop the hammer on it.

(I won't be really amazed if Bean made some of the KV satellites coated with Faraday cages and additional reserve extractionable antennae in case main circuit is fried; as well as vacuum tubes instead of transistors).

The resulting charged particle radiation will destroy every satellite up there anyways.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-06-04 04:05pm

Ahhh, my map:

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-06-04 04:35pm

Okay - a small coup attempt is underway perpetrated by a bunch of overambitious wealthy fatcats.

But since PeZookia is not a banana republic, I think we all know it's not going to end with a civil war.

So, uh...who wants to show off their l337 special units?

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-06-04 04:56pm

Came back for a couple of things.

If anyone wants to deal with Adrianpolis, do remember that I started a chemical weapons program. An important aspect of it is that it included botulinum toxin, in part because I love pedantic legalese. You see, the toxin is produced by Clostridum boutlinum, a bacterium. However, since I wasn't weaponizing the bacterium itself, it technically doesn't qualify as a biological weapon. I suggest anyone seizing or destroying the chemical facilities to be very careful with stuff, both because it comes very close to being an illegal bioweapon, and because with a median lethal dose of 1 ng/kg, it's almost comically lethal. A beaker full of the stuff could theoretically kill every human on Earth. Fortunately, it's hellishly difficult to weaponize, and after being dispersed it degrades after 24 hours or so. Also, anti-toxins are available, but the treatment very rarely prevents respiratory failure, so a ventilator is also needed.

The other thing is that I've been wondering why do people treat Shep as if he wanted to destroy the world. No he didn't, he had his nukes pointed that the MESS. Neither the FUN nor unaligned nations would have gotten anything more than a little fallout if they declined to participate in the conflict.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-06-04 04:58pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:You do not want Saddamistan going into your land and ruining your defense program because you have a long-ranged rocket. Remember when Saddamistan ruined Zoria's space ambitions because of its close proximity?

That was only because Zoria fired OVER Saddamistan. As long as your orbits don’t cross Saddamistan, Saddamistan will not take proactive measures to stop launches. Now that the threat of space weapons has been raised however, anything crossing over Saddamistan is probably going to be hit by a nuclear ASAT instead of a conventional one. A nuclear bomb (especially the neutron bombs I’m arming these things with) going off in space will fry every satellite within line of sight; people can feel free to waste postage sending the bill to New Bagdad.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-06-04 05:01pm

The other thing is that I've been wondering why do people treat Shep as if he wanted to destroy the world. No he didn't, he had his nukes pointed that the MESS. Neither the FUN nor unaligned nations would have gotten anything more than a little fallout if they declined to participate in the conflict.

When he declared non-belligerents, he was very cautious not to name any FUN countries.

And "some fallout". Yeah, fallout's nothing to worry about, seriously.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-06-04 05:24pm

PeZook wrote:And "some fallout". Yeah, fallout's nothing to worry about, seriously.

The amount that would be spread over FUN territories? Probably not that much to worry about, actually.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-06-04 05:34pm

So, uh...who wants to show off their l337 special units? Smile

I am in the process of creating the Black Hand special forces, but they will not be useful to you jet.

But since PeZookia is not a banana republic, I think we all know it's not going to end with a civil war.

I am glad to hear that.

Stas

What happened to my ship?

I was wondering could your Spetnaz boys train my Black Hand dudes?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-06-04 06:03pm

PeZook
The Shinra Army's Special Forces could use something to do.

Ok, now that I'm caught up...

First off: Bean's actions. While many would probably agree taking out Shep was probably one of those "tragic but had to be done" scenarios, the fact it happened at Atlantis puts a bad taste on things. It's supposed to be neutral after all. So I think Atlantis as a neutral meeting point is probably never going to happen again.

Bean's HISCO weapons, now that they're fully revealed, are going to get just about everyone looking for ways to counter it.

And bluntly, the UKB's reputation in world affairs has taken a serious nosedive. There will no doubt be formal reactions in the coming weeks.

On a side note: President Rufus Shinra wasn't actually there. Bean's delegation entrance thing was mistaken.

I'm going to try and make a game post now. I'm probably going to miss important things; if I do, please shoot me a PM. I've had a lot to catch up on.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-06-04 06:10pm

Thanks to Wilkens I realized I did something stupid with my shipyard numbers earlier. So this is how it'll pan out over the next ten years:

2011: 1500 (1000 ISCA, 500 military) [current]
2012: 1600 (1000 ISCA, 600 military)
2013: 1700 (1000 ISCA, 700 military)
2014: 1800 (1000 ISCA, 800 military)
2015: 1900 (1000 ISCA, 900 military)
2016: 2000 (1000 ISCA, 1000 military)
2017: 2100 (1050 ISCA, 1050 military)
2018: 2200 (1100 ISCA, 1100 military)
2019: 2300 (1150 ISCA, 1150 military)
2020: 2400 (1200 ISCA, 1200 military)
2021: 2500 (1250 ISCA, 1250 military)

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-06-04 06:46pm

I'm sure we could have a team of glider troops drop in via a zepplin that was told it couldn't land in Pzookia...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-06-04 07:45pm

Mr Bean wrote:I've edited it, so everyone who matters is there

Beowulf again attends nothing! To busy being the God-Head I assume

I've got maybe 1 hour of internet time a day. At the fucking library. As I pointed out earlier, I've got no reliable internet.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-06-04 07:47pm

don't worry Grendel slayer, your a more welcome contributer then he is right now.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2008-06-04 08:01pm

Plausibility question: How plausible would it be for Coilerburg to build its own small patrol boats? They wouldn't have any armament heavier than light autocannon at most or any real sophisticated systems, and may even be smaller than the 110 foot Island class.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-06-04 08:29pm

Coiler wrote:Plausibility question: How plausible would it be for Coilerburg to build its own small patrol boats? They wouldn't have any armament heavier than light autocannon at most or any real sophisticated systems, and may even be smaller than the 110 foot Island class.

Your best bet may be to build civilian speedboats under license and then make a militarized version of them-- in a way, that's what some of the first US Navy PBRs were in Vietnam, and they served well.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-06-04 08:30pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:That was only because Zoria fired OVER Saddamistan. As long as your orbits don’t cross Saddamistan, Saddamistan will not take proactive measures to stop launches. Now that the threat of space weapons has been raised however, anything crossing over Saddamistan is probably going to be hit by a nuclear ASAT instead of a conventional one. A nuclear bomb (especially the neutron bombs I’m arming these things with) going off in space will fry every satellite within line of sight; people can feel free to waste postage sending the bill to New Bagdad.

Wow. Nice shot, Zor

Sea Skimmer, I can't believe we were so mean to you. We totally got off on the wrong foot, mang. Can we say sowwy and, like, be fwens?

^___^

Vohu Manah · Post by **Vohu Manah** » 2008-06-04 08:34pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Shroom Man 777 wrote:You do not want Saddamistan going into your land and ruining your defense program because you have a long-ranged rocket. Remember when Saddamistan ruined Zoria's space ambitions because of its close proximity?
That was only because Zoria fired OVER Saddamistan. As long as your orbits don’t cross Saddamistan, Saddamistan will not take proactive measures to stop launches. Now that the threat of space weapons has been raised however, anything crossing over Saddamistan is probably going to be hit by a nuclear ASAT instead of a conventional one. A nuclear bomb (especially the neutron bombs I’m arming these things with) going off in space will fry every satellite within line of sight; people can feel free to waste postage sending the bill to New Bagdad.

I'm still interested in discussing the matter with you.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2008-06-04 08:40pm

Coyote wrote: Your best bet may be to build civilian speedboats under license and then make a militarized version of them-- in a way, that's what some of the first US Navy PBRs were in Vietnam, and they served well.

I wasn't thinking of PBRs when I thought up my hypothetical coastal boats-I was thinking of small Coast Guard patrol boats. I suppose that if I did have the means to build them, I could build some as military patrol craft and some as civilian vessels.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2008-06-04 09:21pm

Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:LOL alright, I'll buy them from you instead.

Sorry Shroom [Parallel Universe]My Minister of Foreign Affairs managed to scrape a sample of Shep's blood from Atlantis. Interested?[/Parallel Universe]

Ok, I'll hand you my used ones for ... 25 million?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-06-04 09:31pm

Still not done catching up, but let me say now that getting to far ahead before I made the SECOND big reveal was a big mistake on some of your parts.

Let make it blunt, Sheppard first PM'd me to ask if I could join in the Nuclear holocaust he was planning for this week and I fucking turned him down. I convinced him that if he tried it everyone would just give up and go home and have themselves a good cry rather than participating, so I instead offered him a solution, let me kill you(in-game) because if the Super Saddam Special Bio-weapons everyone they won't mind, because you know Saddam threating to destroy the world is A-OK with everyone while if Sheppard does it, it's a bo-ho oh why me.

Which is what I will post later this evening or first thing tomorrow, trust me pissing a hissy fit because I took care of the ruthless genocidal warmonger and then, you bastards had the gall to pitch a fit because I took care off someone who had decided to nuke the whole fucking world and had the nerve to get pissy with me. Instead of banding togther and saying, "Horray!, Good job old Bean, you killed the Ruthless Genocidal Warmonger before he could put his evil plan into motion and what's more your intelligence people engineered a coup to cease control of the largest stash of Nuclear weapons on the planet and were ready to start disarming them, leaving the world only to worry about Saddamstain which lets face if, if a second global push was made, would be fucked... fucked up the ass with a hedgehog.

But instead you got all pissy and the fact some of you decided that killing Sheppard was a "bad thing"(TM) potentionally resulted in a massive civil war in a country with nuclear weapons. Good frigging job, pat yourselves on the back your moral out-rage lead your countries right out of a possible peace and instead into a second coming nuclear war. And I'm sure as hell not going to save your ass a second time.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2008-06-04 09:49pm

It's more the way you handled it, Bean. Call in an international conference under the aegis of neutrality and then shoot Shep yourself? Show that you were willing to interfere with the internal affairs of other government? You went about this in the very worst possible way!

"Oh, but I did it for the greater good!" - well, now everyone's worried that you'll interfere with them, next (in-character, at least, we know you wouldn't kill Shep unless he let you). Plus, you mentioned that you have a huge amount of strategic weapons overhead, virtually un-interceptable and secure from attack. Of course everyone's throwing a fit.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-06-04 09:57pm

The reasons I flushed the weapons were to deal with Sheppard and Sea Skimmer, my weapons are much LESS destructive than nukes, as pointed out if I flush my entire KKV force your talking about roughly 282 megatons of destruction over 778 KKV's.

Sheppard can put almost that much in just four B-1's and he has close to a hundred of the things. As pointed out, unlike Nuclear weapons, KKV's are clean, the instant the rubble cools down it's safe to go in. Hell the ground's not even poisoned since the speed and energy transfer involved means all the Tungsten is vaporised by the impact. Yes they make big impressive holes, cause big ship destroying waves but two hours later it's over. Meanwhile if even one nuclear weapon goes off your talking about weeks if not months of a deadly zone. More to the point if the proper collars are fitted onto the weapons(Was it Boranium?) the land can be poisoned for ten generations.

And a man was ready to end it all in nuclear fire, a man who tried to order a nuclear attack on the world from a "peace" summit, why do you jump on me for putting a madman down? You mean to tell me you "sat" in that room as Sheppard called for a nuclear attack and said, oh no.. Poor sheppard, that bad man Bean shot him! Muuurderr he killed Darth Stalin-Hitler-Mao-Dark Heart.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-06-04 10:01pm

For those were are wondering? Dark Heart was the damn villain of the Care bears, that being was brutal, he hated happiness and caring he was like Stark but got up off his ass and set out to destroy those things.

You know, to take over the world...
Somehow...

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-06-04 10:02pm

A nuclear bomb (especially the neutron bombs I’m arming these things with) going off in space will fry every satellite within line of sight; people can feel free to waste postage sending the bill to New Bagdad.

Will someone finally provide calculations on the range of EMP attack at various orbits (200 to 1500 km), or just go with "we will fry everything, mwahahaha"?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-06-04 10:16pm

Also how effective an EMP blast against a KKV already in a power dive? It's not like I can't fire the things off axis. A KKV can engage(With a loss in strength and accurasy) from as much as 50* off Axis, the ideal firing zone is from 75*-88*.

Oh and one last notes, as noted the KKV's have already been flushed they are for all intents and purposes 867 UKB Satellites in orbit, 778 KKV's, 45 HISCO Internet Satellites, 32 GPS Satellites, 11 UKB Royal Radar Mapping Satellites, plus 22 Vulp-Sats of various kinds. Plus 12 Shroom-Sats and 3 GOES Weather Satellites.

Which adds up to around 903 total UKB Orbitals. Yeah... there's alot of them.