Strategic Fantasy Crossover RPG

[PeZook]

You can forgive us for seeing you through negatively tinted glasses. Our people lived under the Tyranny of a cruel nobility for centuries before the Tsardom's rise, as many Russians tragically still do. While we have prospered under the Tsardom, our crops are more bountiful, more goods have become available, our people are not overburdened by forced labour and the smartest and most capable of them can ascend to the highest ranks of office. What they see is Pogoria is the past comming back with Monsters and Nobles to shackle them back to serfdom and opression that they fought so hard to end for themselves and spread to others.

There's more to it than that, especially your policy of "You live like us or die. Alternatively, get worked to death in the gulags.". Most people don't take kindly to being called savages and forcibly enlightened. As for buying guns, well...we need them to defend ourselves, so nyah.

Also, Pogorian nobility finds your raving against nobles amusing,since you're ruled by a Tsar

Oh, and that's awesome:

...our people are not overburdened by forced labour...

Yeah, except for some who work in the gulags

Our interests with the Baltic are mainly commercial. The Industries of the Red Tsardom has many goods to offer the world through trade, as would allowing the Tsardom to improve trade. Our precious few airships can only carry so much and carts on the ground are vunerable to raiders and brigands.

Why of course...the fact that a naval base in the Baltic will also give you the capability to control sea trade of all local countries probably didn't even occur to anybody in the Tsardom...

Forgive us for the fact that you never tried to simply tried (gasp!) a diplomatic solution for peace makes our Tsar a bit wary, even before we made our move to gain a patch of unclaimed swampland at the mouth of the Neva River hundreds of kilometers from your most distant boarders you decided to make an alliance specifically against our innocent Tsardom.

You made a move to conquer Novgorod and claim a patch of swampland. There's two components there

Furthermore, the alliance isn't designed to go and conquer Moscow, it's designed to make it difficult for Moscow to conquer us and murder all the nobility and magic users and send everyone who objects to gulags. Seriously, if there was a powerful country somewhere on Earth which went "CAPITALISM IS MURDER" and "AMERICANS ARE A BUNCH OF CRUEL SAVAGES" constantly, I'd guess America would have a good reason not to extend the benefit of the doubt to them.

Oh wait, I seem to recall there was one country exactly like that

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, I would point out that the Greeks and Romans tended to use the term "Barbarian" to dehumanise their opponents... and the reverse would be true, especially with respect to the Persians..

[PeZook]

Well, I would point out that the Greeks and Romans tended to use the term "Barbarian" to dehumanise their opponents... and the reverse would be true, especially with respect to the Persians..

Yeah, exactly. Barbarian = not Roman. They were savages because they talked funny, even though there were several truly gigantic "barbarian" empires in the world

Heh...though Pogoria is somewhat backwards technologically speaking, of course.

[Zor]

You can forgive us for seeing you through negatively tinted glasses. Our people lived under the Tyranny of a cruel nobility for centuries before the Tsardom's rise, as many Russians tragically still do. While we have prospered under the Tsardom, our crops are more bountiful, more goods have become available, our people are not overburdened by forced labour and the smartest and most capable of them can ascend to the highest ranks of office. What they see is Pogoria is the past comming back with Monsters and Nobles to shackle them back to serfdom and opression that they fought so hard to end for themselves and spread to others.

There's more to it than that, especially your policy of "You live like us or die. Alternatively, get worked to death in the gulags.". Most people don't take kindly to being called savages and forcibly enlightened. As for buying guns, well...we need them to defend ourselves, so nyah.

Also, Pogorian nobility finds your raving against nobles amusing,since you're ruled by a Tsar

A Tsar that does not actually own people or have them bounded to the land as Serfs. A Tsar who provides education to all and who lets the son/daughter of a humble farmer emerge as a top engineer, captain of industry or high ranking official in the Tsar's civil service.

...our people are not overburdened by forced labour...

Yeah, except for some who work in the gulags

What? You have no Criminals to deal with? Would you let bunches of sepratist rioters run free?

Meh, given your fuedal nature, You probably torture them to death or give them to the Druids to sacrifice to whathisname father of the moon or whatever. And of course, the tsardom does not punish people who have commited no crime or randomly abuduct our citizens to turn them into inhuman monsters. Those who live in glass houses my friend.

Our interests with the Baltic are mainly commercial. The Industries of the Red Tsardom has many goods to offer the world through trade, as would allowing the Tsardom to improve trade. Our precious few airships can only carry so much and carts on the ground are vunerable to raiders and brigands.

Why of course...the fact that a naval base in the Baltic will also give you the capability to control sea trade of all local countries probably didn't even occur to anybody in the Tsardom...

The same can be argued for every nation which has a navy, besides, how could a Navy threaten land locked Pogoria? Do you think we have the blueprints for Allied Assault Destroyers or something?

Forgive us for the fact that you never tried to simply tried (gasp!) a diplomatic solution for peace makes our Tsar a bit wary, even before we made our move to gain a patch of unclaimed swampland at the mouth of the Neva River hundreds of kilometers from your most distant boarders you decided to make an alliance specifically against our innocent Tsardom.

You made a move to conquer Novgorod and claim a patch of swampland. There's two components there

We need a way to get goods and material from said swampland to Moscow. Conquest of Novgorod will give the Tsardom just that.

And again, Novgorod is a minor Russian Principality hundreds of kilometers from your borders, and you said you would conquer weaker tribes for your anti-me alliance. Pot, Kettle, Black.

Furthermore, the alliance isn't designed to go and conquer Moscow, it's designed to make it difficult for Moscow to conquer us and murder all the nobility and magic users and send everyone who objects to gulags. Seriously, if there was a powerful country somewhere on Earth which went "CAPITALISM IS MURDER" and "AMERICANS ARE A BUNCH OF CRUEL SAVAGES" constantly, I'd guess America would have a good reason not to extend the benefit of the doubt to them.

Oh wait, I seem to recall there was one country exactly like that

Yeah but the US was willing to try to resolve things with them using words before bombs.

And besides, did i ever actually say i would genocide magic users? No. I even use some myself for healing and making runes to defend ourselves against crap that your lot may send our way.

And as for me calling some people in your domain Barbarians, Your choice of Words "Uniting Barbarian Tribes against the Tsardom" Remember?

Zor

[PeZook]

A Tsar that does not actually own people or have them bounded to the land as Serfs. A Tsar who provides education to all and who lets the son/daughter of a humble farmer emerge as a top engineer, captain of industry or high ranking official in the Tsar's civil service.

He's still a Tsar and raves about how evil nobles are for...being nobles, while himself proving they don't have to be

What? You have no Criminals to deal with? Would you let bunches of sepratist rioters run free?

Hey, we're not the ones pretending to be paragons of moral virtue

Meh, given your fuedal nature, You probably torture them to death or give them to the Druids to sacrifice to whathisname father of the moon or whatever.

Ah, and you wonder why Pogorians dislike you

Pogorian druids don't dabble in human sacrifice. While many are crazy old coots, the ones partaking in politics are actually healers, scholars and protectors of the populace, and hence respected. The witches are cruel and ruthless, but without them, using the Motherwood for resources would be impossible, so people avoid angering them.

And of course, the tsardom does not punish people who have commited no crime or randomly abuduct our citizens to turn them into inhuman monsters. Those who live in glass houses my friend.

Again, we don't pretend we're more moral than everybody else

The same can be argued for every nation which has a navy, besides, how could a Navy threaten land locked Pogoria? Do you think we have the blueprints for Allied Assault Destroyers or something?

We're landlocked (for now), but Pomeranians make heavy use of sea trade.

And of course it's true for every nation that has a navy. Hence why if it's possible to make it difficult for the Tsardom to obtain one, we'll make sure to do it and seize a stretch of shore first

We need a way to get goods and material from said swampland to Moscow. Conquest of Novgorod will give the Tsardom just that.

And again, Novgorod is a minor Russian Principality hundreds of kilometers from your borders, and you said you would conquer weaker tribes for your anti-me alliance. Pot, Kettle, Black.

Our first recourse was diplomatic contact. But since we do need a buffer zone extending in your direction, well...

The Tsardom, on the other hand, simply marshalled its armies and off we go, while spouting bullshit about equality for all

Yeah but the US was willing to try to resolve things with them using words before bombs.

No, it used both at the same time, fighting proxy wars, making alliances and engaging in sly power game politics. You'll notice Pogoria does all that, too.

And besides, did i ever actually say i would genocide magic users? No. I even use some myself for healing and making runes to defend ourselves against crap that your lot may send our way.

Well, you certainly like to slander our upstanding Crazy Druid Folk a lot

And as for me calling some people in your domain Barbarians, Your choice of Words "Uniting Barbarian Tribes against the Tsardom" Remember?

Zor

That's just an established name so that people know what the fuck I'm talking about

[DarthShady]

Such an alliance won't give you anything, seeing that PeZookians would come for you with aircraft, tanks and mechanized infantry. Against Pogoria you probably have a chance

Now you've got me wondering about how some of the more fantastical elements of SDN Kingdoms would stack up against SDN World's militaries. Could a lone Gurren-Britannian Null Mage or Knight of Brunestud defeat a platoon of Langley Royal Guards? Could the USSR be able to subjugate the Shadow Lord and his armies? How would the PeZookian military deal with the Pogorian menagerie of monsters? Et cetera, et cetera.

This just begs for a RAR thread.

BUt that means hands off Shady. I and him have plans, beyond the occasional bar fight.

They shall be glorious bar fights.

[PeZook]

Well, the Tsardom's mission was certainly a surprise, but a welcome one. I guess the strategic situation has changed a bit

[Zor]

Well, the Tsardom's mission was certainly a surprise, but a welcome one. I guess the strategic situation has changed a bit

The Red Tsardom may be a militarisitic and expantionist combinations of the USSR and Tsarist Russia, but it is not a nation which can only respond to external conserns through the barral of a cannon.

Zor

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Well, Thessaloniki is taken. Now to take a few other cities, like Athens and Nicopolis, Adrianople etc. Wait, do I or do I not already control Adrianople.. Maybe I do. It's not far from Constantinople.

[Siege]

Well, Thessaloniki is taken. Now to take a few other cities, like Athens and Nicopolis, Adrianople etc. Wait, do I or do I not already control Adrianople.. Maybe I do. It's not far from Constantinople.

I'm interested in discussing the future of Greece with you. The Pharaoh enjoys his Greek wines, and we're interested in expanding in that region ourselves. Of course, we don't feel it's worth the hassle of getting into conflict with our good neighbours the Byzantines over, but if you could leave us a few trading ports on the Peloponnesos (Corinth, Sparta, Olympia) that would be much appreciated. I imagine if you take Athens and we keep the Peloponnese peninsula our mutual trade could really go through the roof.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'm interested in discussing the future of Greece with you. The Pharaoh enjoys his Greek wines, and we're interested in expanding in that region ourselves. Of course, we don't feel it's worth the hassle of getting into conflict with our good neighbours the Byzantines over, but if you could leave us a few trading ports on the Peloponnesos (Corinth, Sparta, Olympia) that would be much appreciated. I imagine if you take Athens and we keep the Peloponnese peninsula our mutual trade could really go through the roof.

Well, I would point out that having Crete is itself a big stepping stone to Pelopponese, allowing your ships to stop there before going onto Athens. I think Greece will have to be mine, all the way down to Pelopponese. I originally wanted Crete as well, but seeing as you have taken it, then it's fine. I am willing to however award you equal trading rights, as I would award our own local trading companies.

As it is, I'm in a race to retake back vital positions, particularly Antioch. Pushing as far East as I can go. After that, I'm pretty much hemmed in. I have no where else to expand, except maybe to N. Italy, if who ever is occupying the southern part isn't doing anything at all.

That aside, you are definitely guaranteed trade in grain, while I build up my own granary production.

[Siege]

Well, I would point out that having Crete is itself a big stepping stone to Pelopponese, allowing your ships to stop there before going onto Athens. I think Greece will have to be mine, all the way down to Pelopponese. I originally wanted Crete as well, but seeing as you have taken it, then it's fine. I am willing to however award you equal trading rights, as I would award our own local trading companies.

Hm-mm, alright, I can live with that. I'll focus my attention on the Arabian sultanates and the African kingdoms then. And I might take Cyprus too. I didn't build this navy for nothing, after all.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Hm-mm, alright, I can live with that. I'll focus my attention on the Arabian sultanates and the African kingdoms then. And I might take Cyprus too. I didn't build this navy for nothing, after all.

There's plenty of black gold in Arabia. In which case, if we do ever go into the Industrial age, you will be in a commanding position as it is.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Dark Hellion, I sent an emissary to your borders, do you plan to answer or ignore?

[Dark Hellion]

I'll get to it.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I'll get to it.

Alright.

Side note, do we plan to have rules for city walls, or leave it as it is? I know some of us have turned cities into fortresses in their own right, but do we plan to assign points to city walls?

We are allowed to spread our point expenditure out over a few turns? I might initiate the construction of several naval vessels and hire more troops and spread the naval construction over 2 years or so.

Are we also going to limit the number of provinces we gain per turn?

[The Romulan Republic]

I'll get to it.

Alright.

Side note, do we plan to have rules for city walls, or leave it as it is? I know some of us have turned cities into fortresses in their own right, but do we plan to assign points to city walls?

We are allowed to spread our point expenditure out over a few turns? I might initiate the construction of several naval vessels and hire more troops and spread the naval construction over 2 years or so.

Are we also going to limit the number of provinces we gain per turn?

I assume number of provinces we gain is determined by how much our military is capable of holding. Really, what point does adding more rules serve, other than to make everything overly complicated, and boring since the outcome of every conflict will be determined by numbers?

[Zor]

Once Again, i would like to voice consern over this issue.

THE RED TSARDOM IS LOCATED IN MOSCOW/TVER AREA! IT IS ON THE WRONG SPOT ON THE MAP!





Zor

[PeZook]

There. Pogoria intends to stick to the agreement.

BTW, that seed drill thingie is totally awesome

[Axis Kast]

Is it possible to join belatedly?

If so, can somebody point me to the specific thread where all the rules and point systems are laid out?

Also, are we assuming that the geography matters - i.e., does somebody who bases a kingdom in specific location have access to only the resources realistically found in that area, or is the map "abstract"?

Thanks.

[Master_Baerne]

Is it possible to join belatedly?

If so, can somebody point me to the specific thread where all the rules and point systems are laid out?

Also, are we assuming that the geography matters - i.e., does somebody who bases a kingdom in specific location have access to only the resources realistically found in that area, or is the map "abstract"?

I hope so. That's the reason I'm occupying Western Ireland, the metals.

On that subject, Karmic Knight, you've got Leinster and Ulster Provinces and I've got Munster and Connacht, yes?

[Karmic Knight]

On that subject, Karmic Knight, you've got Leinster and Ulster Provinces and I've got Munster and Connacht, yes?

Correct.

I'm occupying East Ireland for a nice striking point into Scotland, land of Malt Liqueur.

::Note: Attack Isle of Islay::

Is it possible to join belatedly?

If so, can somebody point me to the specific thread where all the rules and point systems are laid out?

Here are the rules:

• You Start with 40 Provinces and 25000 points.
• Each Province Gains you 200 Points Per Turn, one year.
• You can use your points to either upgrade province defences with 'Fortresses' Costing 2500 * Level Fortress or create units.
• We're winging it on unit prices, and unit tech level, but a basic spearman/swordsman/zombie costs 40 points per 100.
• Ships, sea and air, cost as much as the number of units able to hold, for transports, and just a 'reasonable price' for any other ship.
• Combat is role played, for the sake of simplicity.

You know, Setzer or Akhlut should probably edit the first post of the other threads with the rules.

[The Romulan Republic]

Incidentally, having seen the map with the cities on it, Palermo is my capital and main port, one fortress is there, the others are at Cagliari on Sardinia (a navel base), and at Naples (border fort).

[PeZook]

Hey Zor, was that a challenge I read? Because I have some wicked ideas for magically enhanced ships

[Akhlut]

Rules are on the front page of the Story thread for any and all newcomers interested.