SDN World 3 Country Claiming

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Why is it that I keep getting shafted? The most recent map doesn't list my claims on Guangxi and Hainan, and what's with this talk of Hong Kong suddenly passing into British hands?

[Dark Hellion]

Man, why doesn't the "A new post has been made" warning come up when you quick respond?

I am fine with the competing claims Setzer. We can squabble over a worthless chunk of jungle. Seems like a typical African thing. Can I assume that Cabinda will be mine? There is a huge amount of historical precedent for it in the OTL, but if you want to play it different I can do that as well.

[Thanas]

OK full list if I got this right, I'll lop areas off if the points don't allow it.


Territories claimed
New Zealand
Newfoundland
Saint Helena


Minor Islands claimed
Aruba
Fiji
Howland Island
Christmas_Island
Trinidad
British_Virgin_Islands

Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britian
Hong Kong
Pondicherry
Melbourne (Requested)
Singapore (Requested)
Bahrain (Requested)

Will that fly with a 2 point Colony score? All told the minor islands have less landmass than Ireland

*Edited Per Lonestar

Well, 2 point gives you up to 600.000 km².

New Zealand 268.000
Newfoundland 405.000
Saint Helena 420
Aruba 193
Fiji 18274
Howland Island 1,8
Christmas_Island 135
Trinidad - already claimed by Ryan. 4768
British_Virgin_Islands 153

So you are about 75.000 km² over the limit.

[Karmic Knight]

Suriname

Suriname was ceded back to my Union a bit earlier, you had shut down the rest of the claim there (in the post, that was ambiguous), so it was easy to forget.

Also, to Norseman and Stas, is there likely to be a communist economic union once the game starts?

[Steve]

OK full list if I got this right, I'll lop areas off if the points don't allow it.


Territories claimed
New Zealand
Newfoundland
Saint Helena


Minor Islands claimed
Aruba
Fiji
Howland Island
Christmas_Island
Trinidad
British_Virgin_Islands

Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britian
Hong Kong
Pondicherry
Melbourne (Requested)
Singapore (Requested)
Bahrain (Requested)

Will that fly with a 2 point Colony score? All told the minor islands have less landmass than Ireland

*Edited Per Lonestar

Well, 2 point gives you up to 600.000 km².

New Zealand 268.000
Newfoundland 405.000
Saint Helena 420
Aruba 193
Fiji 18274
Howland Island 1,8
Christmas_Island 135
Trinidad - already claimed by Ryan. 4768
British_Virgin_Islands 153

So you are about 75.000 km² over the limit.

.....


DURRRR. DURRRR.

*smacks head on desk*

I totally ignored NF and NZ, told him 1 was enough. GAAAAH.

I really, really need to get off the computer and take a break now....

[Steve]

Why is it that I keep getting shafted? The most recent map doesn't list my claims on Guangxi and Hainan, and what's with this talk of Hong Kong suddenly passing into British hands?

SHIT. Somehow my main map copy got screwed up and removed your claims in South China!


And I think Bean forgot about your "took Hong Kong" thing. Though couldn't you settle for Macao? If not I guess we need to find him another treaty port in China.

[Dark Hellion]

Real quick, does anyone want to come to a conclusion about what decimal convention we will be using? It can be a bit confusing since we have Europeans who use 1.000 (thousand) and 1,000 (one) vs. American with 1,000 (Thousand) and 1.000 (one). Sometimes it takes half a second for me to figure out from context what a number actually means. I am fine with either.

[Mr Bean]

Hmm I might be willing to go to war over Hong-Kong if claiming it because it is a vital part of the trade Empire and has existed as such since 1841.

As for reducing size limits I think Newfoundland has to go. Or parts of it anyway. Can I ceed away a good chunk to make it under the 600k limit? Minus Trinidad.

Territories claimed
New Zealand
Newfoundland(Half?)
Saint Helena


Minor Islands claimed
Aruba
Fiji
Howland Island
Christmas_Island
British_Virgin_Islands

Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britain
Hong Kong(Requested)
Pondicherry
Melbourne (Requested)
Singapore (Requested)
Bahrain (Requested)

I need ports. My goal is a 90% Naval base country. Which means I have a half dozen strategic coaling stations. I'm willing to give up Newfound land for some smaller chunk of North America somewhere on the east coast. But I need a Phillipe and China port.

[Steve]

Could cede Labrador to Quebec I suppose, dunno if Rogue would want it. IIRC the island of Newfoundland is more valuable anyway.

[Mr Bean]

Wait a minute a quick check of the Internet shows Newfoundland is not Newfoundland Island 405,000 square miles but 116k. Thanas where did you get your figure?

[Setzer]

There is actually a long history of mildly separated parts of Angola by the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The exclave of Cabinda has been separate since the drawing of boundaries in 1885 but is actually a part of Angola home territory. I don't think its a real problem given that the section consists of literally nothing but jungle. That's why Marius didn't claim it. If Setzer wants it he can have it. It is simply land with no real value at all.

Damn decent of you Hellion. I'll take Cabinda then.

[Karmic Knight]

*snip list of territories*

Does this mean I can have Guinea, as it is coloured British red and I claimed it in a deal with Baerne?

[Steve]

Wait a minute a quick check of the Internet shows Newfoundland is not Newfoundland Island 405,000 square miles but 116k. Thanas where did you get your figure?

Probably for Newfoundland as a whole province, including Labrador on the mainland.

Okay everyone, another map update, fixed Shinn's borders and added three of the claims to Australia. Will add others later. But I'm getting goddamned hungry and I've been on the comp all day messing with borders and trying to make sure claims are set up. All work and land-grabbing and no play and food makes for a very cranky Mod-Steve.

P.S. Sorry Shinn, blame Shep. He tried to steal your territory. (To be precise, I missed one of the outdated bits of the mainmap file he and Lonestar used to draw their frontiers.)


And Karmic, oops. Will fix that next map update.

God damn man, your empire is getting pretty big. Of course, it does kinda compensate for losing the DEI and I'm not one to talk.

Wait, Bean, what about Ghana and the Gambia? I left them British red too. Frankly, they're not that large, you could probably slip Gambia into your area limit and Ghana's coast at the very least.

[Thanas]

Wait a minute a quick check of the Internet shows Newfoundland is not Newfoundland Island 405,000 square miles but 116k. Thanas where did you get your figure?

I thought you were talking about the province known as Newfoundland, as indicated by the map which shows you not having the island only, but the whole province. And we are using km² instead of sq. miles.

[Dark Hellion]

Oops, didn't mean to imply that. I want Cabinda. It has been Angola since the Angola was Angola and the Congo has always respected it in the OTL. We could make it a point of dispute if you want but it seems to really get along well by providing a lot of work for Congolese while they don't have to deal with certain separatist factions. I meant I would give up the North Eastern part of Zambia to you. I just wanted the territory.

[Steve]

Real quick, does anyone want to come to a conclusion about what decimal convention we will be using? It can be a bit confusing since we have Europeans who use 1.000 (thousand) and 1,000 (one) vs. American with 1,000 (Thousand) and 1.000 (one). Sometimes it takes half a second for me to figure out from context what a number actually means. I am fine with either.

I'm the Mod. I'm an American. So we do it my way.

*is pelted by irate Europeans*

BTW, Setz, Hellion, if you're going to feud over northeast Zambia shouldn't you also feud over the stretch of Katanga seperating Hellion's side from it? Maybe Marius as a third party to the feud?

Also, Uganda I think it is is still open. I mistakingly called it Rwanda-Burundi earlier. my bad.

[Mr Bean]

Wait a minute a quick check of the Internet shows Newfoundland is not Newfoundland Island 405,000 square miles but 116k. Thanas where did you get your figure?

I thought you were talking about the province known as Newfoundland, as indicated by the map which shows you not having the island only, but the whole province. And we are using km² instead of sq. miles.

We are all confused all around as it is square km's. 111,390 square kilometers to be exact.
Also I was never party to the making of the map. Things kinda got filled in red by Steve by default.
So that's 220 k free, throw in Gambia free up Ghaha.

Use the rest on any small islands world wide no one gets around to claiming. Oh and Diego Garcia. Must have Diego Garcia for my space program

[Setzer]

Oops, didn't mean to imply that. I want Cabinda. It has been Angola since the Angola was Angola and the Congo has always respected it in the OTL. We could make it a point of dispute if you want but it seems to really get along well by providing a lot of work for Congolese while they don't have to deal with certain separatist factions. I meant I would give up the North Eastern part of Zambia to you. I just wanted the territory.

Well, it'll be another thing to fight over. So how would it work out, you hold Angola, I want it, or vice versa?

EDIT: BTW, what's the stance on mineral resources? I found a Google Earth gadget that shows me world mineral reserves. Would we use that, or will we have to look up what was being exploited in 1925 and work from there?

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Hmm I might be willing to go to war over Hong-Kong if claiming it because it is a vital part of the trade Empire and has existed as such since 1841.

The backstory I wrote up says that the Philippines/SAU seized Hong Kong in 1839, just prior to the outbreak of the First Opium War. If you're going to press the claim further, I can just say I sold Hong Kong to you at the end of the First Opium War in 1842 and be done with the whole thing.

As compensation, I'd like to take just a tiny bit off of Guangdong province, namely Zhuhai prefecture. If Bean wants or needs more Chinese territory, maybe he'd be interested in adding Shenzhen sub-province to Hong Kong...

[Dark Hellion]

Setzer I Pmed you about it. I think we can work it out there.

[Mr Bean]

Hmm I might be willing to go to war over Hong-Kong if claiming it because it is a vital part of the trade Empire and has existed as such since 1841.

The backstory I wrote up says that the Philippines/SAU seized Hong Kong in 1839, just prior to the outbreak of the First Opium War. If you're going to press the claim further, I can just say I sold Hong Kong to you at the end of the First Opium War in 1842 and be done with the whole thing.

As compensation, I'd like to take just a tiny bit off of Guangdong province, namely Zhuhai prefecture. If Bean wants or needs more Chinese territory, maybe he'd be interested in adding Shenzhen sub-province to Hong Kong...

That's an alternative to take Shenzhen alternative to Hong Kong. I need a Chinese Port/Trade city and it seems to be a valid alternative to Hong-Kong itself. I went with HK because it's historical but I could push for Shenzhen instead.

*Edit, dang it. It seems I need to claim Gibraltar as well.

[Lonestar]

Response? You posted something? I was going off what Steve sent me. If it's only a single port on India's cost I'm fine by that. Not like you could not march south and take it from the division of Clerks and Port authorities I'd have free to deploy to India.

Ok extreme delay here sorry everyone.
Ok I am reviewing my PM's and will make my selections for colonies know. However a question. What would something like Hong-Kong cost me? I want to play a Britain that's on a much sharper decline then historically accurate due to mismanagement. Instead of India being under firm control and all those island colonies I'm looking at a Britian forced to scale back it's Imperial ambitions. Perhaps to the point that only Hong-Kong like agreements and settlements remain remain except for one or two colonies(Has anyone claimed Cuba or the New Zeland?). If Shep and Lonestar are willing for example could we work something out like that were Britain maintains a toehold on some small city to serve as harbor and coaling station for the British fleet with no control over the country proper?

How many Hong Kong's could 1 point buy me? 2 points, 3 points?

I think we can work out a Treaty Port/Pondicherry-like agreement. Since The borders of Shepidtan/the Grand Dominion are such as they are, I no longer consider handing off Sri Lanka or Southern India.

I might add that as far as I was concerned, I was considering all of Pondicherry, so you would get multiple ports out of it.

[Norade]

For the Map French Guyana is claimed by Portugal.

[Setzer]

Just FYI, Dark Hellion and I have made some minor agreements. Cabinda is his territory, but I have offered to permit him free access to it providing any military assets there are not sent through Congolese territory.

[TimothyC]

BTW, Setz, Hellion, if you're going to feud over northeast Zambia shouldn't you also feud over the stretch of Katanga seperating Hellion's side from it? Maybe Marius as a third party to the feud?

Oh, I have my eyes looking north.